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and we're live hello and everyone welcome to the first small empires google hangout live for season two I'm Sam sheffer the verge of social media manager here with a bunch of fine folks if you guys won't want to introduce yourself Steven go first and we'll go that way this way that way yeah I'm Steve that one day I am the executive producer of small empires this is my second year doing the show very excited to be here hey that's why I get me right now hey I'm Kirk Larson I I'm the director of the second season small empires I am more excited than Steven to be here yeah take it away part pick folks jewel you go okay I was like I wish direction okay I'm jewel I am the co-founder and CEO of park pick and i think i'll probably be most excited here be best Jason what does that leave you man an interesting predicament my name is Jason crane co-founder and CEO Park big and I'm probably the second most excited I'll give that to do I get personal cool so so pretty tuning in uh hopefully you caught the episode this morning if you'll enough and we wanted to take some time just to kind of chat about part pick and field some questions so if anybody has questions out there use the hashtag small empires on Twitter and we'll try to get to them that later oh and we are supposed to have Alexis Ohanian here today just want to just want to point that out but he is in Japan and it's four in the morning in the middle of the morning oh maybe the last sake train is running a little late alright so first order of business how do we find part fixed even you found perfect how did this happen how do we locate these fine folks okay I I wanted to tell the story just cuz like it was kind of important to me as we were trying to put the season together and you know starting to look at like what kind of companies we were going to be featuring I got to go out to TechCrunch Disrupt in San Francisco this past September and the lovely heart pick team was presenting on the first day you guys are on the first day right yes we were anywhere if we had to wait I remember yeah so walk us through what that's like the the whole like presentation at TechCrunch you I'm like I've seen the Silicon Valley HBO TV show and I see how like nervous all those guys got before is it like that at all yes well okay so i watch the show too and there's no one like fighting on stage I remember that part of the episode where there's a fight but some of that happened which is great but but it was very nerve-racking I was very very nervous I'm like palm sweaty and I've done a lot of presentations before but I just feel like the energy was really different there is like high pressure you know Marissa Myers on stage like it's just really scary so she was one of the judges for you guys yes yeah well it's comes with the final stretches but still she's a person I've always just admired so and I've heard stories about so I was just like oh my god that is so scary um but I have a little like I don't want a ritual but sort of like thing I do to bring down the nerves before I go on stage and actually as a team like me you know said a prayer everyone's just like this is going to be okay we're going to do this we're going to kill it and I think we did pretty well so it works out so I sitting in the audience like I got watching these guys and they came out and you did like a like a presentation and then you actually get like the demo part of it right so you had your technical team come out and they had like a little like overhead projector kind of thing that was showing what you could do with the app and I just remember the whole time I was like wow this is like it's a really different industry that you guys are attacking you obviously have an incredible team and you're based in Atlanta and at that point we knew we were going to be like going to like outside the Silicon Valley and so when I heard Atlanta I was like okay done uh you know let's talk guys yeah that's I mean I think probably were the most different you can be I mean we're outside of Silicon Valley we're working on a very unsexy industry um we're doing a height we're mainly have a very high tech solution I mean there's a lot of high-tech companies at that crunch but we're doing solving the problem using really really difficult technology so oh yeah i'm glad that those things so that's you yeah and so like what what what else happened after an event like that like what does it mean for a young company like you guys to be able to get on stage somewhere like that and to be able to show off Jason would say that yeah sure the just as joe said the energy techCrunch's references nominal and you know for us it was our introduction to Silicon Valley we have had never really spoken to any investors in Silicon Valley this is a super you know large stage for us and so it was so busy but it was for us it was like okay we're here and now all we have to do is to do our part you know the the platform is there and so as far as like know what happens happen afterwards um it was pretty much figuring out a way to address all of the interests from you know investors just techies in general people that are just interested about the technology people that that scene is in doing sarna valley and just wanted to add more questions so we spend a lot of time just about dividing and conquering and making sure that we could talk to as many people as possible awesome and so it was what's response been like you know I mean after all this after you know the episode went up today but has anything changed drastically since you know you guys were on stage there and and now that we're talking here yeah so I'll say you know I think we had certain expectations about what would happen after TechCrunch um and honestly it hasn't been on ok so let's take a step back it's only been like a little bit over a month since TechCrunch so you know things are happening but in my mind and like always want things that happen faster so we haven't like you have enough thoroughly closing the investors since TechCrunch we've had a lot of really great meeting so we're still kind of I don't know we're still kind of waiting for something to drop um so you know that's one thing where I was just like oh we don't say just TechCrunch and we do really well then all their problems are going to be solved and that's really not how it's been um but it has been pretty full on the customer side I mean we've had a really steady flow of requests on our website or our reach from companies so that's been cool um but we really didn't we never really had a problem with customer interest so it still leaves us in the same sort of predicament where we have all these potential customers are now even more and we don't really have the resources to support them and people are our life will want you just get them to pay you and the answer that is well yeah we will get them to pay us eventually but it's their large corporation they're not going to pay us to build our team I'm you know they're not going to pay us you get the pieces in place to support them so that's called kick starter yeah yeah I can't start this right exactly so you know that's where we kind of still need seed funding to be able to get all the pieces in place so that we can actually go and watch with these big corporations yeah i will add to that that you know it's just it was really like inspiring to see how many people who reached out to us afterwards because we didn't we didn't go and edit them we didn't go call or anything like that we sort of waited and you know every day by day more and more people you know reached out and call this and you know it really speaks to you know how I'm how well we can serve the industry because people are eating for it but look a while Alexis disappeared I guess Sarah for the last was not a sleep i'll just caught up in a board meeting I was like and draw on your face with this yeah too much sake look at it um well Cuba option for everyone for everyone watching this is alexis ohanian he is a co-creative reddit and a bunch of other cool things and the show's host um so Alexis how are things how is Japan it's going really well yeah having a wonderful time here Ohio good morning to all if you actually know where you have we're 20 here but uh I guess it's I guess it's can eat you are over yeah yeah uh so we were though I'm all of his assessing guitar I was gonna say like early stages of fundraising kind of stuff and I like I think I want to take this this time with like the lab tested to get into more a little bit more like technical stuff that we don't get to get into into the episode um so what what advice do you guys have for for people that are watching this episode and they're like all right this is what I needed to finally get everything together and like start working all nights to put together my company and they're just gonna get they're gonna start approaching that seed round what are the things to be careful of like with term sheets maybe what is a term sheet and yeah how do you know what to look out for Wow so um a term sheet is basically document that sets out the the terms of the deal so you know if you're going to be giving a piece of your company in a way to an investor or if you're going to do a convertible notes which are just two different ways to structure your financing round those the sheet is basically just details all the illegal legalities of it so what's owed to you at what point and those types of things so at this point you know we are still we're really instant of term sheets so we've gotten a few we haven't liked a few you know we've had people not be able to still fulfill things that were put into term sheets so you know we've kind of seen the ins and outs in our case so far it hasn't been the greatest things that we've experienced as a voice of term sheets but that's part of it and the great thing is that we've had a really amazing legal team that's helped us from the time that we were in an accelerator up until now and they send everything to them so the one thing I would say is like a piece of advice is don't sign things that you don't and you don't know what they mean I'm definitely yeah yes I know of people just are like oh yeah term sheet done a little through that that contract that you gotta sign when you came on the show yeah that wasn't that wasn't a talent released our church Alex media now owns card pic team that fully already reviewed it we're good don't try to trick me anyway I just saying that I think people should make sure that they're reading with um you know what they're getting and then also like having some ideas what are you not going to say yes to I mean because I Lee got some term sheets early and it's just like now we're not going to give you five percent of our company for like no money or um you know for your guidance no thanks um so you know those are some things so let's to look out for people will ask all you know they'll ask for it a lot of stuff if you of you if you're not confident and you don't know what sort of what year your company is worth or what you to put on the table people will they'll they'll push the limits so as you'll say it is really important to have that that foundation and no you know what you're willing to negotiate on sit down at the table and the last thing I thing on that is just like knowing what you don't know so I mean in my case I have a business background but I never negotiate a new term sheet before so it's really taken of reaching out to people getting advice and seeing okay what do you think about this is this industry standard or no um for all so um so that's kind of how I we we worked it so far and one of the things that a flower and I think it makes it look nice thank you one of the things that we've done that Y Combinator is uh we've open sourced some safe documents which it's kind of a remix of the convertible note which is like which was a clever hack to make it as easy as possible to fundraise and saves are slightly more elegant solution for this but it's tricky Greg because like early stage companies don't they it is really hard to value them and the advantage of using things like convertible debt or a safe is that you get to basically put off valuing them at all late around when people can have a sort of better sense of what they're all worth but even with this added simplicity these things didn't even exist nine years ago and Steve and I were starting reddit or having they existed they just weren't common practice what is what this world is moving towards now is one with I think more transparency and more founder friendliness although there still a ways to go one of things I'd love to see is for if anyone wants to go out there and do this an anonymized place to upload term sheets where you have to obviously be you know pretty confident they were going to stay that way weariness you could do a little bit the self-censor but basically see what is market alright because right now its founders we kind of have to go around and we have inefficient knowledge to know what's market here what's market there what's markets it's the advantage of networks that allow you to realize okay now terms are ridiculous or are having that lawyer to talk to says that's ridiculous but if we actually knew in aggregate what really is market you could then go to an investor and be like please like I actually know this is not standard because here's a thousand deals just got done last year that don't have this so some enterprising founder can work on this now yeah I really actually that's a great idea because even for us in it land art do it wyd share just for the record is that slideshare yeah we're like what if people had points here nowadays nah nah man you need what you you basically need to be able to extract the very specific deal terms across the board just to know like what what is a normal you know what what is normal right now for a typical kind of company what sorry I was just going to shout out to um I don't know if you guys saw what buffer put out I think it looks like yesterday or the day before um but basically they're they're raising I think they're raising my 3.5 million dollars and they literally wrote out every single reason why and the term sheet and they put it on their website and I we're be interesting just to see first of all but they're being so transparent I don't know what I don't necessarily know like the motives or everything but they put its whole dick right up right up about it so maybe that'll be a thing the kind of shift the chasm if you will around transparency and fundraising and I thought it was just a really interesting little tip yeah they're also they're also raising its tasty Wow the mission they share share everyone's costs know the revit this is really interesting yeah yeah I mean you can become an investor as well hey Sam Kim can we put a link to that I think it's an interesting article to read I mean I guess part of the eye that well we'll figure that up there's a chat when they're a yes um alright so big question of the episode funding how do you get it where do you get it from and we kind of answered this in the episode but I think it would be fun to hear where you're at now what happens if you guys got some big thunder and you guys were like super set and on the right track what would you guys do tomorrow we will launch well actually what we would do is we would put our team in place so right now full transparency we have we have a really great team of folks who have gotten us to this point but because we haven't been able to compete with you know $100,000 plus offers that engineers of God nor um you know things of that nature we really have to just borrow people when we can um but there are so many people that actually want to work for us full-time it's just the fact that they have families to feed or loans to pay off and so they really haven't been able to commit one hundred percent of their time to part big so the first thing is just getting everyone who has worked with us to this point and a few other people we've identified to be cool tano perfect and then honestly because we've done so much work to this point everything else we really have the plans for it's just a matter of executing and we really have the people on board to execute with is just a matter of having the team in place to do so so those are you know really it's around building out the team and launching um you know we've submitted the probably proposals got an initial approvals on those pilots and so everything pretty much is in place on the customer side as just a matter of having everyone in place to watch it's just can you support can you support it when that happens yes exactly and what we do launched in our start we're able to start to know collect that data and really you know analyze the results of being in the market you know that will go a long way with our funding conversations that seems to be you know one of the pieces that unfortunately we're missing by in our fundraising conversations while we have the pipeline we have the interest from both investors and clients because of our small team and an inability to support a large corporation on just a few part-time no employees that that will really help us in closing that gap in the fundraiser I got a question for you guys and I know it was sort of addressed in the episode for those who haven't seen the episode yet ah you think it would help to be in Silicon Valley like if you sort of just picked up and move there at this point you know the exposure is kind of snowballing in a sense now and maybe being there you know being at a coffee shop with you know someone who knows someone who knows an investor big I said you're you're you're loyal to your hometown and then this also ties into I got this question from from someone on Twitter fair question was why do you think the other why do you think other founders don't see the potential of where you guys live so you know there's there's obviously value you know you guys are in love with your your own home which makes sense but uh yeah so the answer on the Silicon Valley question is so I've been kind of like oh well maybe we could do it but honestly I really don't think Silicon Valley is the place for partake um the reason is because I don't know very many if any major manufacturers that are based there so in terms of our customer base it's really just not it's really nice to look about here eat as far as investors though yes they're probably you know it probably would be easier maybe um honestly it's it's hard to say if its location is the thing that hasn't been the number one thing that people have given to me as an objection it may be easier just because I'm kind of would be able to be more in people's faces and I think metaphors for a set period of time would be great to be out there but I just think for where we are the most important thing is for us to be close to our customers and close to the talent so one thing we talked about the episode is like Georgia Tech has are really great there's a really great pipeline coming out Georgia Tech and then other schools on the East Coast so we're seeing people coming from Carnegie Mellon but have really great skills in this area NYU so the schools that are going to be the feeders for the technology that we're working on are really not I mean obviously Sanford has a great program too but I just something Silicon Valley is the place for carpet temporarily maybe but in terms of long-term and being close our customers definitely think that Atlanta no New York is getting more looks just because there's more going on the in the investment area there and then we are still relatively close to a good customer base but I'd say ethos for sure and then my family and I really just want to close my family so yeah go Atlanta um and then you ask another question sorry about wha um why do you think why do you think other founders don't see the potential where you live maybe they just don't know you know your sort of industry because you said like you know your your business is not like many other Silicon Valley but businesses and the industry is you know very much focused around Atlanta too um honestly I think that has to do with the culture of PEG right now and honestly really the spirit of where people are starting businesses I'm like what is it that that is within them that makes them want to start a business and not to say that people aren't starting from genuine places but it was really my experience in this industry that that made me feel like okay this is not this is little not going to work for me I'm not going to be able to work in this company because I think this is so horrible that I really just have to come up with something because I candyland but my team there are seamen every day and they're just miserable they're crying to me about how much they hate their jobs and so you know I'm not I'm not knocking any of the other companies that are in Silicon Valley but I think a lot of the companies are founded maybe not from the most in you in place are not from actually pain more like this is a nice to have same or this would be really fun or cool but not like no you understand I'm depressed like I can't do my job because it sucks so it's just it's just different and I think I think that there are a lot of are coming from genuine areas of pain that are outside of Silicon Valley and so I don't know why people so I anyway I think maybe the culture is just the thing that's a little bit different that you'll find in in different areas that you want to surly fine without you no trouble it's actually funny we were we were at a factory shooting wasn't a factory but I want to give away what's going to happen we're at this place shooting and they were on the mcmaster carr website and this guy was just scrolling through a page looking for something and you couldn't find it and I just said to him I was like hey we just did this piece on this company where you can take a picture the part that you need and and if I'll just look it up for you and he looked at me and he was just like what are you serious really like yeah he's like well how do I get it I was it you can't he's like yeah he just got really mad and I had to walk away in fact that you but yet she heard people want to do this like people people would be psyched for this yeah it's really cool I think you know starting Park Nick obviously there's a lot of frustrating days and things where I'm just like I want to give up but the most energizing thing is that every time I pitched it or every time I tell someone this is what I'm working on they always answer me with the story they always say oh that's that would be so helpful for this one time and I was trying to fix this thing and I couldn't figure out what it was i wish i had perfect that's always the response it never failed so that makes me feel okay well at least this is something that people find valuable I know that for a fact because literally the thousands of times I've been talking with people they always give me a story on a Segway with that there's another Twitter question here what other industries is part pixie itself aiming at so oh go ahead listen yeah you know as far as industries parts are parts and everything you can look around the room and everything you see is made up of you know ton of different parts and and so we really you know design the technology to be able to adapt and be flexible you know around you know all different types of parts while we still have some research and some things to do in our roadmap to to address those other industries we're confident that our methodologies will work across across other industries so we've started with fasteners and plumbing you know some of the low hanging fruit is is you know automotive which is no a huge industry not just in the US but globally electrical supplies you know even doing more around home repair you imagine that having all of our Kia's parts in the palm of your hand and accessible just about taking a picture so you know there's there's a ton of different industries as far as like you know the types of parts that we are catering to but we also have to recognize that we're you know we're trying to be aggressive with visual recognition and our methodology and then the way that we approach visual recognition is very different than a lot of visual recognition for things that exist and that attention to detail you know we'll really we're hoping that it'll you know continue to evolve in and push the the recognition space and for and as you know you know especially since TechCrunch we've had so much interest not just from potential clients but from other partners who who are like you know we could use that and we use it for or something that we have you know our Park hasn't even thought of yet but it's still using the visual recognition technology the you know the artificial intelligence if you will your computer simulated vision to be able to solve problems and I think that's you know one of the great you know flexible points on your that party at public narrative table so we didn't actually get to show this in the episode but I want you guys to talk about the the thing that you've kind of dreamed up the scanner belt yeah and you can you explain that or I don't know if you have a link that you can share um yes I for you know so I'll tell you about that that was really an answer to an objection and the objection was part pick sounds right but how are you want to scale and in my mind I've always thought okay there are tons and tons of websites that have images of tons of tons of things and so I never thought that someone could say you know with a straight face art because I'm going to work with but they're not going to be able to get all the images but that has been one of the objections so as a response to that I said okay well if we needed to actually image all of the parts what would be the quickest way for us to do that um it's obviously not very quick for me to take all the pictures of the parts so what if we could just automate that process and we got with some mechanical engineers to spec out this machine we're basically it's just a conveyor belt and you just send parts down the line and we have cameras on all angles capturing images and cleaning them automatically into our database and so basically just automate that process so it's pretty simple idea but um that's kind of an answer to the objection of like oh how are you going to scale well now we have this idea really spectat around getting a thousand parts into the database per day so that's kind of the thing there and that's another thing that we're fundraising actually be able to build it out and I can be fully launched that as well Jason because the database does exist at all right like you guys are doing this from scratch so to a certain extent um the database for the clients the customers national builder supply could talk a little bit about this but they do have they do have components of it so for the parts of they sent us to Clinton database they already had the specs associated with each part but they just didn't have good images associated with those specs so we don't have to do the database thing from start to finish we just have to plug in to the existing databases that they have and then associate each of the six or given part with an image so some customers that we've talked to they do have pretty good images that you can use most of them really don't have good images so that's the reason that we need to come up with this with this mission but the great thing is that we don't have to have images for all the parts so this is another question I what I got at TechCrunch was that we're actually not you don't have any goal to take pictures of all the parts that's crazy talk we really just need basically a base part for every category and then we use computer vision to tie to the metadata associated with this is getting a little bit yeah let's get the metas good Sam can you bring up the video that we're talking about I it's in that chat window side I don't know if you have to troll me sorry no assume okay say um yeah Julie you were saying you said this and we're talking to you that like if you have a screw that's half an inch then you can apply that whatever technology you have to screw period any screw of any kind right it does like is that the simplest way to say it yeah so the thing about it the way he's your to think about is like a fingerprint and so we're basically fingerprinting all the parts and the thing the things that go into the fingerprint are both visual information that we get and the metadata that's associated with that so and then the other way to look at it is that we're creating hierarchies so four screws we have a hierarchy that is fruits and then from there we break that into the types of heads that are on each screw and then from there we will get the thread count on each of those headed screws it's complicated but that's the way that we that we do the search so in that sense of a hierarchy we really just need one part that represents each of the state level three which is the type of head that's on this group um and that's how we do the search yeah I usually have a question for you when you're talking to like software people and investors do they get weirded out when you start talking about the real world maybe real world like when when you're talking about a physical object or people like what what are you talking that's not code like this is that ever a reaction ha that's interesting I mean honestly I feel like mostly we don't talk to people who really understand what we're talking about I mean in terms of investors obviously there's with tons of brilliant investors but a lot of times there they are not in the position to life deep dive about what's really going on right so as long as we can show them which the nice thing is that the demo perfect is really simple um but the back end of it is just there's a lot going on um so typically you just say okay look this is how it works we might pull up our our our back in to show them this is what's happening or this is how we train our visit these are the the different algorithms that we have running but typically we don't go there and maybe it means we haven't gone far enough with some of the investors that we've been talking to you but um but yes usually they're like okay I get it I understand generally like what's going on yeah makes sense cool I was just curious there isn't another question that came across Twitter and Alexis I think you should take a stab at this one first um somebody asks that they're they're writing from Austria this is how I there on Twitter what's their twitter handle is their twitter handle hold almost all right in the meantime gutentag use that I oh yeah okay this is I'm gonna butcher this okay sandy se de 1998 okay so intently all right and they say i live in austria innsbrook it is pretty hard to find a co-founder that is great how did you find yours ah ok well i didn't like if people that are looking for Kovacs I unfortunately my story is not very helpful because I met him freshman year at college on moving day so go to college you know this is a common issue I'm sure there are some great founders in innsbrook maybe veen might be a little better but uh ah universities are really the best the best hub right what makes so many started communities great is usually a great school there or schools because it's a bunch of young people who usually don't have anything holding them back from starting a company hopefully you know I have anything sort of dependent on them and their their thinking and they're doing and they're at this great time in their lives so you can you can do that traditional stuff whether I don't know if your note of the age to be going to school if you're not I don't judging from your username you're probably right that about that point um there are actually more and more meetups than ever like seriously meetup dot org Hacker News has a bunch of international meetups most major cities across the world now I have some form of startup weekend that shows up there to a startup weekend do a hackathon Google is your friend but there are plenty of chances to meet up to in meatspace with other people interested in start-up so take advantage of that and then there's actually a website um oh there's an app for that founder dating oh isn't that like like tinder for oh yeah it not hinder ok 1 i'm thinking advances so it's like it's like speed dating for founders right it's like yeah i've started to see more and more families introduce themselves that way is having met on I mean he's 16 I don't know if I don't know if he's ready for that oh wow okay I'm di in 1998 I'm guessing that he's 16 yeah oh wow dude easy or you whoever you are male or female uh it's so early to be thinking about starting a start-up but good for you great I have a childhood first to said I think he has a start-up it's called log you in it seems pretty I don't know what it does I'll be really cool please all right tweet at me and and I'll try to help the thing is I mean actually you all at part pick have a great version of the story because this is the other common way of founder meetup happens yeah so Jason and I worked together um actually it's funny because we actually weren't in the same office but we were really passionate about the same thing so Jason recruiting it's this is a funny story so Jason recruited me to join his team which was our kind of um twenty percent projects around diversity and basically getting more more minority owned businesses using google products so this is one we were both at Google and he heard about me because I got Howard which I went to Howard go bison um I got Howard using google apps when I was still a student after my internship at Google and so I think I had created a little buzz for myself well I smoke hey I'm the popular dude around here who's this girl so basically so he kind of hehe had called me up even before i got like even before my first day starting full-time at Google he recruited me to join to join the effort around getting more minority owned businesses using google tools so we started working together um business like when I first got to google and we we made it our mission to take what I done at Howard and do that at all historically black colleges and universities he had a lot of success we got was around 2530 hbcus um transition to google apps not just like considering it but actually news over oh I'm yeah yeah within a year so I'm like mega mezcla as a side to our department day job right this is either one of our day jobs so um you know we discover okay we work really well together and actually in this case we're still not in the same place every day so there's kind of a good I guess practice for part pick because in a sense we're still doing the same thing because Jason's based in New York and I'm in Atlanta so um so yeah that's how we met and got started and we became you know really great friends and he's one of the first people i called when i had the idea actually i'll say this i said that a lot but the real story is i was frustrated at mcmaster and I was talking to Jason and telling him about it and he was like why don't you try to you know think of something that will make your time go by really and I was like that's that's a good point um and so that's kind of how you know things really got started and when I was like ah this is what i need to do I called Jason and he's working at Shazam that was like you guys know about recognition stuff now what are you doing what are you busy I'll or those yeah give me those geniuses come up with ways to recognize music let's do it for parts so um but yeah that's that kind of how we got started and then we found our technical team I just started like being really creepy and hanging out of Georgia Tech and meeting people like hey what's up um but you know that kind of parlayed into us building relationships and bring people on board so that's our story there you go go to college get a job or just hang out at a college or me back or yeah just just be aggressively cool and have people come to you right is that what you do and then find the people that are cool them and then once you go to them that's them back to you later but you you you close your laptop you go outside and you experience the world yeah there's no dress and meet people talk to people you put on your oculus rift and your robe and wizard hat Wow Stephen finds us co-founder sir that is how you found me yeah decisive oh cool uh yeah actually we're coming up an hour yeah yeah we're coming up on an hour which is great we had I think this is a great discussion cool does anyone have any final thoughts or anything to say before I stop to this broadcast well I'm going to say something a little bit unrelated to our Pig when I'm from Kansas City so go Royals oh nice plug had to oh god good enter the year just for one moment just prepare again go on their team yeah I I still very tough is out for me about whether a small is really a sport mmm only because if one of your look like I'm gonna get a lot of like on Twitter for this yeah yeah those are funny babies possible all the fat guys in on the dirt exactly if one of the greatest baseball players ever in America was an overweight alcoholic like is that really a sport that guy see the chance to know but like we did you're plenty of great roles to play in football for instance and again jewel I'm sorry about last Sunday oh okay yes great that was pretty legit I was really surprised that's a great game that Redskins game because the boy hold 45 yeah accepted the times are continuing to disappoint me every single week so and the Falcons are no matter so yeah haha it's all right there's room on this bandwagon we're just getting started no I will never join wow you went to school bc anyway good nap um for anybody else out there watching that hasn't seen the episode yet you guys want to give them like a I don't know favorite moment to look out for or a preface to it I just think it is so not just because I'm in it but I'm just really impressed by the production and it's like really well done and I was just like man I can't believe I'm I'm just a part of this this great stuff it's good stuff hey mom also I mean I just I wasn't really sure like the direction it was going to go but I think you guys did a really great job of covering you know really the story like how is how it is for us right now um which I think a lot of people don't really get to see this this segment of the journey I'm so as much as for me it feels like I'm so hard I just want to get over this part of it um it is kind of it is nice even just to see like okay this is part of the journey and at least now people know we're still pressing we're so going and you know we're gonna make it by golly I'm thank you for letting us could capture that that part too that's it's not a lot of people get to see that I think it's it's really really helpful for a lot of people too so thank you I thought it was really brave and really cool so great awesome oh wait we have one question from Twitter that I think we should answer like this put it the car is asking what is on your head a crown a VHS player no because I didn't draw it can it be sir I think those perc terrible artist I think I think it's a crown and a VHS player gee it's whatever you want to be cool all right guys all right cool well whoever watching I'm assuming you haven't seen the episode you can go to youtube.com slash the verge or you can just google search small empires it's up on the verge com it's up on YouTube also season one is available on the Internet to watch there's a bunch of great episodes there and we'll be back next week doing another hangout and another episode of small empires will be out next week too thanks to Alexis and Jason and Kirk and and everyone else for joining us um and yeah cool see you guys soon thanks bye thank you