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hello ello ello ello welcome to The Verge live I'm Ross Miller I'm Chris tickler and today on the show we're gonna be talking about all the things Apple just announced a spring forward event later on Casey Newton won't be joining us from San Francisco with first-hand impressions okay so what all did we actually see today well first we started with a sort of surprise HBO announcement they'll be launching HBO now they're calling it next month exclusive to Apple at launch then they went through an all-new MacBook just MacBook mesmero not air just MacBook and then finally we got into some Apple watch stuff yep and I that's what I want talked about the most but first let's just really quickly get through Apple TV yeah $59 now $69 actually surprise price drop which makes sense because every other set-top box does everything that thing does know yeah they're there at the point where the hardware is old enough and the functionality is can monetized enough so that they really had no option but to drop the price a little surprising that they didn't follow it up with another box that maybe has a little bit more functionality 4k whatnot but I guess they're not ready yet yeah that's maybe something later this fall I mean the apple cherry rumors of be it set-top box or actual set itself has always been around but there is something missed remembered forever which is content deals mm-hmm which is Apple's trying to talk to every single content provider to get exclusive deals that's right first of that right and also is a big deal because everyone wants standalone HBO right and so this is I mean we knew that HBO was was unbundling right this was in the pipeline it was gonna be a 2015 thing for them but it is surprising that it's an Apple exclusive to start that's a big deal but what's your take I think that you're more plugged in Game of Thrones averse than I am what is your take I am going back and forth so hard because I don't want to pay for cable yeah but the things are starting to add up for a right $15 by itself like I'm just being kind of a stubborn prick at that point like yeah I did get sling TV recently so use that for everything basically except HBO and brought and that's yeah but oh so that doesn't have ABC CBS no but I have rabbit ears I meet in two holes for ravisher everyone complains about that anyway but will I pay $15 for Ag oh maybe actually yeah but III know in my head is hard to add up to even be more expensive than just getting a damn cable - right well so one thing that that I saw brought up on Twitter that I think is potentially an interesting point is that the existence of this service incentivizes HBO to start cracking down on the distribution of HBO GO logins right that's the other reason while I'm probably end up paying dues right now I'm enjoying the hell out of it first ya know everybody uses somebody'll $3.99 yeah there's like one patient zero that has the master HBO go account and everybody is using that one account and now presumably they're going to crack down they're gonna login like the David for the Game of Thrones with me respect I'm sorry caution by the way rice is being used by 1253 people I have to pare that back get a new account guys so uh yeah it paired with that they also showed the the trailer for the new season of Game of Thrones and we've seen a bunch of clips of that before we won't dawdle on that too much here but uh yeah well it's exciting it might be a slight departure from the books which is kind of interesting but also Game of Thrones is the number one most pirated show now there's an option or people like you know to you you can actually legally pay for it yeah it's expensive right you can't use oh I'm beat I do cable subscription as an excuse anymore but you do still need an Apple device of some sort whether it be an Apple TV or an iPhone or an iPad because if I remember correctly they they said on stage that this is going to not just be an Apple TV thing you'll be able to use any Apple device basically well I didn't I remember hearing that but I hope to god that's true because like that would seem very stupid otherwise yeah I I have to believe that they'll have an HBO now app for iPhone right you know so and so that's the first mini and like obviously like HBO is one of the biggest cable channels out there ESPN with the next big one ESP was a big deal for sling that was on there will be interesting Espeon kind of follows there to any other channels small suit obviously Apple is hawkish on getting exclusive content deals but they're not they're just a box or just tea because this is the one thing that really differentiates Apple TV from your Roku's and your Amazons right right did I hear correctly do we have do we have case ready I believe we do want we go alive decadence in San Francisco Casey are you go you're so pretty Casey Newton hello hey guys how's it going man hi guys how's it going good good so tell us what what's it like out there what's the scene so as you might imagine it is rather hectic inside the hands-on area right now people are checking out the MacBook that they just unveiled as well as taking a look at the Apple watch up-close heading into this event I think most of us assume that the watch was gonna be the most exciting thing to look at afterwards but man people just cannot wait to get their hands on that new MacBook it looks really really good is it as interesting of a device as it appeared to be from afar I guess maybe you haven't gotten close to it yet but from where I was sitting it looked like really the most interesting announcement of the of the event mm-hmm sure absolutely and a lot of what's interesting is inside of the MacBook for me the thing that stood out the most were those contoured batteries just sort of layers of like these very thinly sliced batteries on top of each other like most of the interior of that notebook is all battery so that's pretty cool the keys feel really interesting they designed a new system of course the butterfly mechanism instead of the scissor mechanism that's sort of all metal casing it looks really really nice so yeah people seemed pretty excited about that here okay see did you get a chance to actually go in and try anything about yeah have you tried like we're really curious what force to touch especially like how that feels did not get a chance to try force touch yet but I'm looking forward to when I'm finished talking with you guys what's your favorite buzzword from today is it terrorist battery is it forced touch is it something else please please tell us I look I'm gonna be trying to find ways to work butterfly mechanism into all my senses from here on out you know a story comes in it's missing a little something maybe it needs a butterfly mechanism I mean it's just like I'm sorry this is ring too much we really do need to move to the butterfly at this point we're not okay see I mean this is what I love is like reading their live log of the events what was the feel inside the theater inside of your big window Center uh you know the the feeling of an apple event is sort of this like quietly focused intensity most of the people in the room are oppressed everybody is staring down at a laptop or their phone or some combination of both so you don't have a lot of those really human moments except for when there's a bunch of sort of applause which is usually coming from the Apple employees or maybe maybe some of the VIPs that are there but you know a couple of moments stood out when Tim Cook said that the addition was gonna start at $10,000 I heard some pained cries around me like the sort of cries that you might imagine if like a child had been injured in a car accident it was that sort of just like ah like that sort of a pained cry so you know clearly at least within the press people are not really prepared to spend 10 K on a watch and then you know the other moment that I would highlight would be just sort of the frosty vibe in the air when Christie Turlington Burns was on stage during that sort of force to banter part of the presentation talking about her trip to Africa where she ran a race and somehow the Apple watch made that easier but it was difficult for me to understand what the watch really had to do with her trip to Africa and I think it was hard for some of the other members of the press to understand as well yeah that seemed like a bit of a misdirection I'm not sure why they why they went there were there any moments during the event when you think that they either didn't spend enough time explaining what was going on or spent too long sort of dawdling on a single feature or set of features in particular I thought that the Kevin Lynch segment was a bit long but maybe that's just my opinion I tend to agree with you and in fact I think the event focused too much on features period we already knew heading into this that the Apple watch can do a lot of things but I think what a lot of us were wait for was that coherent story like make the case that that I want this and and and sell it to me at a level above Oh tap this to text this person and scribble here to send a heart right like we wanted some sort of like overall message that was going to make us understand how this fit into our lives and instead we just got this very lengthy list of well I can do this and it can do that oh but if you don't like those two things try this third thing and I think it got a little bit overwhelming and so I do wish that Apple had spent a bit more time up top sort of setting the stage for how this watch was gonna fit into our everyday lives okay see going into this have you been like convinced that a SmartWatch is the future do you even care about going into it and now having come out of the Apple watch event how are you feeling what's your takeaway I like just the whole category wearables well you know I'm very open to being convinced I want to believe that you know a few years from now the sort of default posture of humanity is not going to be staring down at this device as we you know walk through busy intersection so I want there to be something that that means I'm staring at my phone let less but what I worry about with these wearables Apple watch included is that they've essentially just put another inbox on our wrist they've given us another set of distractions another series of things that's going to take us out of the moment and into the world of whatever app developer we've decided to you know install their apps on our device so you know when I think about something that's going to be buzzing me many many times a day telling me to stand up to sit down to respond to this text to read this email to check out my Instagram likes to reply to meet these tweets it sounds exhausting and and one problem with the way that the watch was presented today was that it was sort of this endless series of like in your watch is gonna tell you this and it's gonna tell you that you know Tim Cook repeatedly referred to it as your your your coach on your wrist I think that could all be very overwhelming you know there was a great piece on our sister site wrapped about what the tech industry doesn't understand about fashion and I think Apple undersold the fashion piece today and that maybe if they had made it feel like something that was just gonna look really freaky and cool on your wrist that could have sold it more than any feature that they announced so I am still sort of on the fence I'm probably gonna wait to read the reviews on the verge to decide whether I buy one of these myself I'm very open to it but what I've seen so far I have to tell you I'm still rather skeptical well you have to buy one Casey because otherwise how I'm gonna send you my heartbeat that you know what I would I would easily pay 350 dollars or more just to get the the Z power heartbeat on the wrist yeah tear point Casey it does feel like they're taking the same tack with this thing that they have been with the iPad for the past several years where they're sort of throwing it to the wolves and saying hey developers you figure out what this thing is good for and in fact I think Kevin Lynch literally said we can't wait to see what developers do with this so you know it it's it's entirely possible that in a year this device is gonna seem much more coherently organized than it does right now but I'm skeptical because if they're leaving it in the hands of third-party developers and that sort of scatters it it doesn't focus it right yeah I think that's very true and the one thing I would say in response to that is that when iPad came out I knew exactly what I wanted to use it for I could like when Jobs sort of reclined in a chair and showed himself reading and browsing the web and watching a video I thought my gosh I I would love to do that like that that feels like a real improvement on you know me holding some like laptop that's getting overheated and like you know has a battery that's rapidly draining so like in the moment that iPad was shown on stage like I preordered it in my mind and Apple watch just didn't get there for me yet like because because again so many of those features are just that thing you could that thing you can do on your phone now you can do it on your wrist tomorrow it's to get beyond that right so let's go back to the MacBook for a second are you buying one and what color are you getting because the goal was out of nowhere nobody saw that coming right right well so you know Chris as you know at the verge we get to replace our laptops every two years and I'm excited to announce that my two year anniversary at the verge is next month congratulations so this really could not be timed better for from a personal standpoint I would love to get one of these new MacBooks my one question is you know how am I going to be able to keep it powered and plug it into an external monitor and get photos off my SD card onto my laptop right like so these are three things that I do every day maybe there will be some new set of dongles I'm sure that somebody on the verge will explain to me how I'm gonna do this but the answer short answer is yes I would like to get one of these things and I would absolutely get the gold model because I'm a trashy person and I want to find a new way to signal that to the world just look at look at this gold thing that I have that you don't have like that's that's how I like to live my life just go walk around the coffee shop the coffee shop holding it out going look at this do you even see it so well I mean it's okay so there's a concern of like I fully intend to wear it as a necklace there is a concern of power that I mean this is not a powerful laptop in it it's on par with most of MacBook Airs but this isn't something to get a lot of photo processing out or you know definitely gonna watch 4k video smoothly like something like this is that gonna me concerning me I'm not saying what you're doing for work I'm saying is that gonna be concerned though it definitely seems like it is aimed at that market of people who use their laptops mostly for surfing the web of writing emails you know basically documents Plus and Netflix and that seems like a huge market category and I think they're gonna sell a lot of them to those people that but what you've just mentioned Ross is exactly why I do feel like I have to wait you know I don't have very specialized needs working at the verge but I do take photos for my job so they're gonna have to resolve a few of those questions I think before somebody who works in a kind of professional or semi-professional roles is going to want to pre-order the thing you know Neela posited before and I think that's absolutely true after I've seen today's announcements that this device is designed sort of to replace the concept of an iPad plus an external keyboard a little more expensive than that but not much and so my question to you is well first of all do you currently have an iPad and secondly could you see this device or something like it replacing an iPad for you because it seems like they're trying to bite into that market to some degree here right yeah I mean I think there's two kinds of iPad users there are people who absolutely want to work who absolutely want to use it for a work device and then there are people who use it more as a leisure device I sort of fall into the latter camp like when I pick up my iPad it's because I'm not planning to type anything and in fact one of the things that I like about it is that you know sure I could fire off a short email if I had to but for the most part I'm playing games I'm reading I'm watching a video so you know maybe the fact that they are coming after this more professional market with an actual laptop indicates that you know an iPad really isn't a great work device like you can make it work if you need to there was a time when I had an external keyboard for my iPad and I used it for work and you know it worked just great but fundamentally you're forcing it right people who work need keyboards and physical keyboards are better than virtual ones so I do expect that you will see people using that MacBook for work and you know maybe the iPad does start feeling more like a leisure device or other kind of like specialty device over time yeah I think the iPad more like a gaming device than anything else that's not something you're gonna be doing with this MacBook for sure right but again it goes into the whole idea of like Apple watch me like a fashion device this is a fashion accessory like yes cord by the fact that comes in three colors right including gold yeah putting gold I don't know let me ask you did you hear the biggest price for Apple watch they just they just put the prices online do you know how much they actually go to know how much do they go to I just take a wild guess what does the most expensive Apple watch you can buy right now or you'll be able to 15,000 little high housing a little higher 20 no split the difference 17 $17,000 for 38 millimeter yellow gold or rose gold with the modern buckle but here's the weird thing is that the most expensive watch the pricing is just kind of like a little it gets a little scattered shot the higher you go in the in the the spectrum because the most expensive model is not a 42 millimeter no see on the right even though on the lower end the 42 millimeters are more expensive for obvious reasons there's more materials it's you know whatever so who actually knows what's going on in this end of the market but I think that Apple is appealing to this group of people who write a check for $17,000 or however you pay for something that costs that much without thinking about it they can check still works maybe I don't know maybe they have a special I don't have you have one those metal ages I don't have that much on a credit limit I have no idea yeah it's it's it's impossible for anyone at the verge to really say how you pay for something that cost $17,000 we can only guess just bring your own gold yeah bring your own bar of gold yeah so anyway obviously the spectrum of pricing for this device is huge on a percentage basis and definitely larger than anything else Apple has ever made right you can make the argument Casey I think that you put in the live blog that someone pointed out that if you cost adjusted the Apple Lisa for inflation it would be more expensive than the most expensive Apple watch edition but we're kind of splitting hairs at that point I mean yeah it would be interesting to it would be interesting to do you know customer satisfaction survey with Apple Lisa customers and then you know Apple watch Edition customers a year after the fact and see who is happier with their you know $17,000 investment and the Lisa wasn't even gold I just want to point that out nor was it available in thousands of Nations nor was it designed by by Johnny I've no anywhere is a knife nor can you wear it on your wrist these are all very good points so Casey let's say let's turn briefly to the one other announcement of the event which was where we started the the HBO and Apple TV news the HBO now it's called which is debuting exclusively on Apple products $15 a month right $14 a month you like that and of course they reduced the price of the Apple TV to $69 Casey what do you think this is gonna encourage people a to buy an Apple TV if they haven't already and be cut the cord is this the the turning point I think it's a great partnership you know when you look at HBO and Apple both of these are companies that work so hard to develop premium brands and I think each one of them gets something out of this arrangement right HBO gets to tell its customers hey we're on the coolest hardware Apple gets to say we've got the best content so I think it's a huge win for both companies like when they announced it I thought that's that's a solid move you know I heard you guys talking a little bit before I came on Ross was saying all these subscriptions are starting to add up I'm sort of in that camp I've got you know Hulu Plus and I've got Netflix and I may have the WWE Network so it is but at the same time 15 bucks does not seem at all unreasonable for me and if I'm ever no longer able to use my roommates parents HBO Go password I don't have to take a serious look at that yeah well this I I was I was kind of seriously suggesting that this gives HBO an incentive to finally start cracking down on the the sort of lackadaisical spreading of these of these account logins right as far as we can tell there are only four known HBO GO law gets on earth there are four subscribers who are collectively paying for the cost of production for Game of Thrones and here we have Jason who's the only three degrees from one of those sources roommates cousins someone anyway but and I've heard that that Game of Thrones is one of the most expensive shows ever in terms of you know how much it costs to making each episode so so obviously they have some incentive to start dialing up the heat on these these people I'm Casey Newton anyway in case we let you go in a second I have up one last very very important question as we're seeing more smartwatches more world of ice wearable devices including like Apple watch we see hands on from all these tech journalists including our own where do you feel on bleaching and or trimming arm hair ahead of a hands on with watches it's so important Ross and I'm glad you bring that up you know you watch some of these hands-on videos and you just see these thick forests of hair and you think my god what sort of man ape is making this video and you know we we here at the verge are gonna use our platform to speak out against this appalling trend and you know hope we can we can stop the madness right here well get in there and tell me how I said hi I mentioned none of that there is a new Apple watch hands on on the verge calm you guys want to check it out Casey Newton is there anything else you want to say before before you let you go I love you guys I love you too love you as well Casey all right case hanging everybody all right before we start wrapping out that I do want to like actually make a case for Apple watch okay that is spear Mull your that spirited case because then I think about the price and go no but the thing I've heard for the last couple days is the Apple watch will be the thing that means you look at your phone list and then the counterpoint is everyone's mad that people looking at their phone in the first place right I don't think it's a bad reason I really don't I really like the idea of not pulling on my phone all the time I'm obsessed with doing that I check notifications every five years anyway I don't mind that idea I do think there's Apple pay interest to interest the passbook stuff makes sense here in as ridiculous as it is the idea of like doodling you know obnoxious cartoons or something your heart beat us in your heartbeat making another watch vibrate and whatever cyber deal Datuk thing you want to do with that sure sketching dirty pictures or clean pictures yeah to your loved ones I mean there there are little mini communication things that it it's not worth 350 necessarily but when you start thinking like how much you spend for a fitness band anyway and fashion products like that it starts to be a justifiable cause at the low end at least I'm telling myself that now well and to be very clear $350 is the very smallest amount of money you can spend for someone who's not fashionable at all right and so going into this event I was hopeful if not outright expecting that the the steel version of the watch with a steel band would cost 500 550 at most but no the the if I'm not mistaken the steel 42 millimeter with the steel band is 999 I think and if you if you get the black version in steel with the steel band its 1099 which I mean to be very clear that's like that's that's in the world of luxury watches you're starting to brush up against the low end of that segment it is no longer a commodity device it is a luxury timepiece and the the the problem that we've been sort of bantering about for a few months now is that this isn't a wah this isn't sort of an heirloom it isn't a legacy device it isn't something you can pass down to your children it's something that goes bad after a couple years and and to drive that point home I was just looking at the the changelog notes for iOS 8.2 which is out today and the Apple watch isn't supported on iPhones older than iPhone 5 which is what three years old so you you think about the fact that this device that you're spending as much as eleven hundred dollars on and that's not even getting into Edition territory is just goes bad in three years or less is kind of out of control yeah there's there are two things I've seen one that's Pro that one that's con that and that the one thing that kind of like gave me a little bit of like I was a little okay with it was the API I was looking through the API when it first came out couple months ago and there's so much processing power done on phone itself yeah that in many ways it's just a receiver so as long as the screen is okay sure it should last a little more than a couple years like the urged like an iPad the urge upgrade isn't probably gonna be a strong sherry cycle that being said you hear interview especially like I think the profile with Johnny I ever he's like there was a thousand and one things he wanted to add to this we wanted census but I did not mean for my voice to go that way it just does whenever you say Johnny I've but there are so many things harder why's that they actually wanted to do with this didn't and that's where I'm like should I wait for the second one where they actually figured that out right or you know what do you want a circular display maybe that's an apples future who knows right so and you know with with an addition at the very least you have you know assuming Apple doesn't offer a trade-in program you at least have the the gold value the the raw gold value with the stainless steel model you have nothing you have a piece of you know you have a few dollars worth of metal that can't reasonably be absolutely fair though we're talking a thousand versus ten thousand no we are but but still you know do you want to sit you want to put yourself in a position where you're spending a thousand dollars every two to three years on on a watch I mean if you're if you're a watch collector that's reasonable but you're you're still expecting to add a watch to your collection every few years as opposed to replacing it so that's it's a tricky tricky question for Apple to answer and they didn't attempt to answer it today Tim Cook didn't mention squat and not not to say I expecting to but he didn't say a single thing about what happens next year when they announced the Apple watch - and you have a $15,000 watch on your hands right and then what do you do but also like there's so many things to do like when the iPod first came out it was a niche market because I had it you had require using a Mac which very people had at the time right the iPad that was a ugly ugly piece of first product I'm sorry it was it really was a big iPhone the second one they kind of figured it out the Apple watch you need an iPhone 5 which is not as ubiquitous as they wanted to be and there won't be for a couple years this is the early adopter kind of test market if you're gonna spend that much money now I think you kind of know that this is like this is kind of a test case for them maybe well yeah that we'll see that so that's that's the million dollar another question for Apple is does this become a mainstream product are people going to line up around the block the same way they do for an iPhone is it going going to be a niche product is it going to be somewhere in between what are they expecting and what is the public is going to do we don't know this is kind of untested territory for them and for us so we'll see yeah is there anything else we ought to really tackle in here actually like look to the future what MacBook are you are you buying oh hell no I'm happy with this right here I know yeah that's a 13-inch retina is the 13 inch retina so my my computer anniversary was recent too so I got a 13-inch retina it's doing fine mm-hmm the obvious didn't L suspect boost today but I don't care this does just everything I needed to do oh one thing that that I was expecting today with the new MacBook that wasn't announced and it makes me very very sad is I expected them to integrate touch ID into the touchpad oh yeah and that didn't happen it seems like such an obvious fit and such an obvious thing that they would want to expand from the iPhone over to um or to macbook especially considering how many features from iOS they've adopted into OS 10 over the years that was just a disappointment right but that being said the the new MacBook I had the same reaction to the MacBook today that I had to the original MacBook Air which is both good and bad because in retrospect the original MacBook Air was not a good product in many ways it it ran hot it the port situation was terrible and actually we should talk about the court situation and it ended up kind of being an afterthought in history compared to the second generation which was a very good product so you know we'll see if they've learned their lessons we'll see if the new MacBook is a fantastic product or if it's one of those things where you want to wait for the second generation but let's talk about the port situation talk about the port situation let's do it two ports there's a there's a USB see on one side and then on the other there's a headphone jack I think that's it that's it and then that matches up with the rumors that we heard think Mark Garmin for 9 to 5 Mac broke this and you got a like there's a graphic designer that kind of went in kind of model based on what the rumor was and that was pretty damn spot-on yeah I'll give credit where credit's to it that was damn spot-on but yeah USBC reversible it's very pretty your and after for every single thing yeah and those days were you bought like the giant USB hubs that's back that's happening again it's but it's it's in vogue what can you say make safe is gone yes which is not awesome if you have kids or pets you might want to write it just go to think yeah you might want to make sure that this this particular computer is off in a different area of the house and yeah you're you're gonna be looking at spending it I just pulled up the some of the unit's here pneumatic move engines if you want the if you want the VGA multi-port adapter for USB see apples listening it now for $79 you want the digital AV Adapter it's also somebody not wait and I know no one else is looking at this so this is really compelling but click on the front like what is it just okay you have HDMI you have another USB see so you can do pass through and you have oh a regular USB but can I just say this is ugly as hell no it is it looks like ugly so these these ports look like the same white like the last generation Apple ID ports that they've been using for 10 years I hear that we have a hands on to throw to for the MacBook so let's check that I heard ok apples event in California and we are just getting our hands on with the all new MacBook it is just the MacBook it is ridiculously thin it's 13 point 100 meters then and you can see one of the headline features here this USB type-c port this gets used for power for for display for USB for everything it's a fastening point it is kind of gonna be insured laptops and spin around here and we also of course got a headphone jack and a microphone but the big story here the technology the screen is twenty three or four by 1440 somewhere in that neighborhood it's a Retina display looks really good there's the speaker grille across the top and Apple is really playing up the new keyboard they've got a new butterfly mechanism so that the keys are really flat and then whichever corner you push on they all feel the same there's not much key travel to it actually it feels pretty shallow but it doesn't feel terrible it just takes a little bit of getting used to what is weird those the trackpad we've got an entirely new mechanism so it also feels the same and Apple has created this new thing called force play where you sort of like push through the trackpad and you can see I just you push it until you see a second click and then it gives you like a third action so there's a single quick double click there now this force clinic reflection do different things so this is the new MacBook it comes out on April 10 for $12.99 crazy it has an Intel Core M processor so it should be pretty fast and so one thing that I want to I want to note in that video that I found very interesting is that all three of the colors available for the new MacBook are similar enough so that they just look like the same neck book cast in different lighting which is a little bit like the dress right just good just throwing that out there no but does it seriously like the gold look like a silver MacBook sitting in incandescent light the silver looked like the silver and the Space Gray just looked like it was in a dark room so not very extreme colors I think that they were probably careful to make sure that they weren't doing anything too wild with this this this new MacBook they were just sort of like adding a little bit of hue to each one which I guess is okay I've been one for years I've been wanting just a black aluminum anodized MacBook but Apple won't give it to me give it time give it time maybe there's I mean we're seeing more and more MacBook so there's a filling in the little holes mmm like there was that famous the the iPad 1 presentation where Steve Jobs is like we're gonna make a case between this product and this product and they became the iPad and now we're just seeing Apple fill in every single right which is the thing we've seen them do for years and of course the bigger iPhones were indicative of that you'll get what you want get everything you want just give a time well one one important distinction that I think and this is just my theory but I feel like this too in what we mentioned this with Casey feels like this new MacBook is filling in a whole that is partially being filled right now by the iPad for work use with you know when you put in a keyboard case right right and to that end it makes sense that this this MacBook would be available in colors the same way an iPad is whereas the higher end more powerful Mac books are still effectively pcs they don't have this level of portability this thing is ridiculously thin one thing that that I think makes it look more like an iPad than a MacBook is the fact that the glowing Apple on the back of the display is not glowing but it's it's shiny like it would be on a night right so this is so that's a consideration the fact that this is in many ways an iPad with a keyboard except of course for the fact that runs O's done right and the only thing else to know like is this is considerably more expensive than the MacBook Air how about well it's nurse at $12.99 right so yes if you compare that with an 11 inch MacBook Air yes it is a more expensive device but you know if you if you go back through history going back to what was the power plug duo I think was a famously expensive and very small Apple laptop in in the 90s and I'm probably butchering my Apple history here I don't have a Wikipedia link so I apologize but the point is it is certainly not without precedent to have the smallest lightest version of of Apple's PC lineup be a step above in terms of pricing makes sense no I agree and again the second generation will be a lots a lot cleaner be a lot cheaper you might be dreaming I like the way you think but yes ai we're going to get rid of the MacBook Airs kintyre ly so there's the cheap model yeah could be one or the other could be um cool I mean there are other things that happened of course health kit and research kit we've seen healthcare a lot research kit is intriguing but I don't know there's really much to say at this point I'm just really curious Li what happens the next big event for them is going to be WWDC the big develop assuming they don't announce anything before then presumably they're going to have iOS 9 show right but you know there have been rumors of a public beta for iOS 8.3 which isn't even out yet a point to is is released today mostly to add at Apple watch support few other bug fixes but they're kind of getting compressed in terms of how much more they can they can do with 8x before 9 comes out so I don't know how that fits maybe 8.3 carries them through the summer and then they stay on the same release schedule as usual so I guess I'm talking myself into the likelihood that iOS 9 will be a WWDC thing and not have a special event beforehand but they have done that before they have done iOS only events early in the year so that's an outside possible the trailer I mean we're just we're just running out of months in between and this Brian so well staples saying cool final thoughts final thoughts I want it all I want the $17,000 Apple watch I don't even there is nothing in my possession that I could sell that would all enable me to buy that so I'm just gonna have to dream and the the MacBook looks nice but I need to know whether the keyboard feels as good as they claim it does I need to know how these horse touch touch pads really work and I need to know that it's fast enough for me to get my job done on a daily basis so those questions won't be answered until April what about you I just need to bleach my arm hair I'm feeling really self-conscious about it now so if we're all we're all about that's let's just wrap it up at this point on that lovely note for all things Apple including 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