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hey and welcome to the verge live at CES I'm Josh Topolsky of course i'm here with dieter bohn LOL oh hello on and we've just finished LG's exciting sexually exciting a press event actually not that exciting it depends on how much you want to know about washers yeah a lot of lot of smart honestly a lot of smart stuff but we did but we did I think I think most importantly what just happened is webos the ill-fated palm operating system ill-fated is is a very nice way to put that yeah ill yeah see mommy it's sick ill design yeah but that's a live again it's still here to talk about the rebirth of webos alright so dieter should we talk about the announcements you just wanna talk about webos for a second we just get into it so so LG announced a bunch of webos TVs yeah at varying sizes they say that that fifty six percent of their t means next year will be running level s 56 yeah it's a very exact number 70 no they expect that seventy percent of their total sales will consist of webos okay and fifty-six percent is like of the number of tvs a record so more than half the televisions that LG ships in this calendar year will be weatherley yeah that means that they sell at least 50 different models probably a hundred probably more because to get 256 and that Annie Brown number never I don't know the numbers but you know they're running as a native operating system webos yep which is has gone through a lot of permutations and you have you have kind of the inside story on on the design of this new version of webos yeah so no two yet just run through run through the story that you that you put up just like an hour ago yeah so yesterday we went and we spoke to at I've on Shaq and Collins owl I'm going to murdering Collins last name who are the design guys behind webos on the TV they came over from HP after LG bought the company and we walked through what the thinking was behind why webos looks the way it does why it doesn't look exactly like webos on a tablet because trying to manage cards the old school cards on a tablet would be a nightmare right so they they redid everything and they're using this metaphor of a line right and so what are the benefits here like why not just using off-the-shelf why don't just build their own you know grab the Linux you know do their own distro or whatever like everybody else or just use Android right at the base I don't know if I fully understand or they wouldn't have been easier to just use Android as opposed to webos so the designs of faculty the main reason is that web apps don't perform very well on Android at all and they perform pretty good on level s if you're optimizing it and it's a lot of smart TV apps are just built an HTML because one they're already building for the web they're building it because it's cross-platform so they can get it to run on all these other smart TV platforms and all these insane set-top boxes and blu-ray players and everything else is out there so if everybody's already making web HTML web apps for their content stuff right why not build a platform that's really good at displaying that stuff and running that stuff I mean I guess that makes sense we were actually last night we were talking about the TV issue the situation that with the fact that like everything is different every app is different and I mean my impression is that this might actually lead to some more consistency at least on LG television the it's supposed to they've got they're gonna have an SDK and they're they're going to release it and they're they've got like UI guidelines for how it's supposed to work and the UI guidelines basically are don't ever leave TV like they want it to be TD is like the thing you're watching and that when you go do something like hit the home button or go to the menu on an app or whatever that's pops up as an overlay over what you're looking at so you don't lose your place Netflix app that show is not an overlay it's just like a full screen it's a full screen thing well yeah forget all that so that whole design guideline things it's not so much thrown out yeah I mean I think part of the problem is i mean our individual companies still developing these apps are they being developed in-house it at a younger than probably any more confident i almost said HP by the yeah well should we talk a little bit about the webos story I mean I think everybody knows everybody's not that necessary but you know I yesterday i said i was reading my palm pre review yeah on that I did on n gauge which was a 10,000 word review and well how long was your did you do there I was close to 10,000 although I wasn't like so back then whenever there was a phone in bar go there was the real embargo and then there was the embargo whenever everybody actually went because in publication would go O'Reilly because they were a newspaper and they thought that was okay let's just seems the walls of the Walt Mossberg Wall Street Journal there I was like in the in the in the older days look man of large but blogs got know when blogs got really no respect whatsoever you would be given a review embargo that wasn't real and then you'd be scrambling and finishing it for like the next morning and Walt review would go up and people who think what's happening why is this happening to death we all realize they had very different reviews by the way like I you don't needed you needed to be experiential to talk to a bunch of people and I needed to be comprehensive to satisfy the insatiable need for every last freaking detail possible you don't think my 10,000 words covered every last detail I had I have you spent more time I had a viable a list of like every so every single gesture worked and like the thinking behind it I know I go through all that are we competing now and I can say it was better no it was better they were different you know you know it's funny so I've been qualitatively better yes I mean but of course also very different so in in in this this this story behind the webos TV post you know that there's a narrative arc because webos launched here at CES and it was five years ago and in my first draft saw most of the day yeah well I first one I had 40 results he was January wait it was to the day it was a to the day was a jinkies january six well my crazy some eerie stuff people if you're a huge nerd this is really super huge nerd right generate 80 is the eighth yeah not that he ever mind yep not so cool anyhow so huge deal to yeah I remember they launched they couldn't get on verizon they had to go sprint they've launched late which by the way LG just did a sprint exclusive launch well result of their going are going to be in t-mobile and AT&T two of the g flex yeah but it's pretty well established in my opinion that if you launch with sprint goodbye the product is dead yeah you're screwed it's not happening I mean it's the smallest is it smaller than t-mobile no driver base close we get a fact check of subscriber base the Ross let me know Eddie how I'm going to get in trouble don know a lot of webos on the brain yeah palm launch webos in the penis was like there this was the if they don't do this they're there gob air screw and they were already kind of late and like rye you're waiting and waiting and waiting and nobody expected what they did nobody except i was amy was incredible in my opinions it's still first off one of the greatest first off one of the greatest CES demos of all time in my opinion yeah but in terms of I mean really skillfully put together and really thoughtfully done a real moment for me love it for me like having been a palm fanboy yeah and really wanting to see them succeed seeing them pull off what they pulled off at CS of course it was all smoke and mirrors because the product was not relevant at all yeah there were six months away from shipping yeah and what what they showed to this day i think is still incredibly advanced yeah the best part about that was talking about this last night the sinking was a huge deal they showed by the way remember when syncing was a thing and it really how am I gonna sink this with itunes they showed how you can sink the preacher you could take the pre with how work is proposed to be talking about web loss of televisions we're just a dimas doubting about web and phones but how you could sync with itunes was a huge deal in that Apple killed it basically but anyhow it was five years ago almost of the day yeah they did that at CES and since then web less has just been on it's been nosedive it well I mean yeah they had a little moment and then it was they couldn't they couldn't get support from carriers in the US they needed it they kept on launching stuff late the performance wasn't very good they ran out of money basically and a bunch of companies were like we're going to buy and we're gonna buy them for IP we're buying for this HP bought them and then HP CEO got it caught the sex scandal and they got a new CEO who didn't believe them that's right and he set the thing on fire the leo apotheker better known as the apotheker ellipse apothic ellipse but is that what its own it's known as the epochal really like people within both the webos division palme division and within HP at large had no idea was like I spread everybody was that he was a businessman yeah he didn't he didn't have the passion yeah he was a passionless bastard and from hell yeah is that cool to say that's probably live I'm not gonna be sooo not his people it sounds he have people he got a golden parachute and got got out yeah and now now the rest of the come now Meg Whitman is trying to pick up the pieces hey Whitman I love she's great manifold lady so anyhow so he also gave us it and then LG buys the rest of it and this was februari last year LG bought like a bunch of what level s this like HP kept some it was weird but they bought them and we are like well guys why do you need webos to make smart TVs and they had no answer for us then and we have the answer now and the answer is HTML apps run really well on it and to and I think this is a more important thing they managed to pick up some really good designers yeah like the I I think the design of this is probably my favorite smart t interfit interface that I've seen and that's not really saying much but it's it's pretty good with with one major exception what being be bird what bean bird you love being birds I kind of like bean burger we can you explain being burned so bean bird is a major mean burns red to shape like a bee beam and it helps you get through there in a process there he is like why why why he's protesting that you didn't set up your Wi-Fi right there he's like you should really do not being birds pretty cute yeah I know Ramon so I mean it's an easy target though is the thing is people are going to be making fun of it but he's just there to help you set up why didn't he call him like the webos bird or something or like birdie because he looks like a bean yeah but do they act sure they actual refer to ms bean burger yeah like there's like a Korean word I just like being a list for lots of things that you don't you don't want to hug is the beam non hugging items are social a little beans yeah all I'm saying they're probably trying to solve is nobody ever sets up their smart TVs and then you're start trying to be sucks we don't set it out right this is chris so not just Sobibor doesn't have wings or arms yeah he's magical I feel like it's a sad situation for him oh you think that he's well I feel like it would be better to have wings or are ya if your first off of your bird right hard to fly without wings yeah no arms hard to lock in the earth well you got hard to log on to your web OS TV right okay you uses a new house of cards season two that's right by the way the trailer for two condition is available on the birds right now you can check it out I mean Hastings was on the state Reed Hastings so this is where CEOs got on stage at the LG event and was basically LG's awesome everybody this is this is the problem by the way you have to buy an LG television yeah and like LG's not really known for having the greatest television yeah make fine televisions there remakes ok television but when you think about the best television you're like oh that's panasonic or sony or pie in the oven so the fundamental problem is like when you go to buy a television are you going to get the best television that you think in terms of picture quality for the money that you're going to spend or do you want to get the webos interface I'm thinking you want to get the best picture quality for the money because you know what I'll just go buy a Roku all generated by an xbox go by away like their interface is really awesome but i just bought a Roku I don't replace my tvs that often yeah the Roku does what they're doing in the sense that it's like a cohesive sort of a coat actually I will say this I if they could get the UI completely in sync like completely going following guidelines yeah I think that would be a really big deal right do they have a do they have an IR blaster solution so the the LG motion remote can work as a universal remote they're not trying to be super comprehensive and cover everything but they say that they're going to they'll support the big stuff that you care about so it'll support your DVD player blu ray player your xbox you're right you know cable box but so how did the cable support is just after yeah i don't i don't know i don't think it integrates with a guy right but i don't know like the full details is it you know we were talking mainly about the design so it's possible but with what what's interesting is you know everything that you want to watch is just like these little cards these little like uncle slashes of things right yeah and so when you plug a new box into it like if you plug an xbox one into it it'll switch to it and then it'll add a card and it'll label it xbox one because it can detect at its next box one that's right out and then instead of so instead of like toggling through your input button over and over and over again you like just go down to your card for that input I mean I will say that sounds kind of great i mean but but one of the things that i liked about speaking of the xbox one and they don't have it quite right because there's things that you can't do but but it almost ingests the cable input into the interface of the xbox one well almost but I'm saying they even if they offer that amount of functionality with this yeah it would be an improvement because it would take it would again take a cohesive interface right and make it make your cable box part of that interface and it's still like you're bouncing between those things I mean it's less of a problem now I think for most people yeah cable interfaces have gotten slightly better and i'll say this time warner just refresh their interface is it okay i I mean comparatively to the previous time warner interface it's like a half it's like we both did they a punch in the face of 11 guys it's like the most advanced you i ever compared to like the last version of it but i do think you know it's not for most consumers that's not that big of a concern but i think for most consumers they're not aware of the options and how to access them on their televisions you know right and I don't know if having making a better smart TV with a better interface necessarily helps them get there well so here's the thing with like what was possible for them is when you're dealing with TV and doing stuff there's a it's not even it's not a glass ceiling it's like a steel-reinforced concrete ceiling of what's possible and microsoft hit it and couldn't break through right you know LG is not going to be 0 LG can't get it where no ways I could do that you cannot get cable to like give up their stuff and then play others and there's and there's a phantom belief that apple will get there but but thus far they haven't been a been sitting there upside down strapped with a jackhammer for the past five years we're still waiting to strike well I mean I think that's why we haven't seen any way I mean everybody claims this year is gonna be the year of the Apple to you know it I think that I think that actually explains a lot about why we haven't seen more action there and more motion yeah so let's try out some of the other some of the other LG announcements which are why don't you go through them so they had the the life man touch which is LG's fitness tracker yeah it's a water water resistant whatever that's got an OLED display it does smart phone notifications exercise goals proprietary LG tracking yeah i think so and then it hooks up with like a little mp3 player that the earphones will monitor your heart rate like through the earphones and it also like check your pulse and checks blood flow apparently right so that's kind of cool and weird but I mean honestly it's it's like they built it because they could it's another like that's cool but I think my biggest problem with these with these devices particularly for an LG is its proprietary it's there so you gotta buy into their software their whole ecosystem and who is buying into LG's you know proprietary health ecosystem I mean I did that doesn't sound like I mean what we really need no I mean I don't think most people are thinking about I mean you and I care a lot about proprietary health ecosystem and eventually people will get to caring about that but like you walk in the best play like I want to fit this tracker you're just going to get one until watching the best prices i want to fitness tracker really i don't think so really first off i think i think i think best buy in America you sure in America nobody walks into best minds if I want to fitness tracker they like him like once a week s I want the biggest television you have where as cheap as possible and then the big bell upon the way they leave with that and they were they've been up sold a hundred and fifty dollar hdmi monster atmi kale that's the best buy experience I think for the vast majority of Americans at least I'd only people go in and they're like I need a fitness tracker which one should I get what I do think they do is they go and they say I've heard about some people going into I heard about this Fitbit thing right or then FuelBand yeah you know again to proprietary closed systems where you can't get your data out right you know it would just be nice if LG had gone hey we want to partner with Fitbit or with Nike or someone the Nike wants a partner with LG but yeah it done something where it's like this is going to work with the rest of the stuff that you do right no I just I feel like there's made it cuz they could like it does it does smart phone notification so that's cool but like it's like I don't know it's like it's a samsung move like we can do we can build this thing it's not that right it's not going to kill us we might as well just do it will sell a few and that right that's called the that is the life band life and chach tracker gotta put touch or something in and I you have any lower case I or touching it well I think it's camel case so oh good no no it's not it's life ban and capital t touch so what else it's safe what else you know from LG the flexor is coming to the u.s. bigger tou the flats and we talked about this already the plexus is coming starting with sprint so great we reviewed the Flex yes we needed we did not a big fan of the flight I've used the flesh first up it's gigantic it is massive there are enormous phone and then there are enormous phones that remind you what like that they're enormous all the time and this is her letter the curve I don't get I mean the curve to me seems like the most superfluous gimmicky thing yeah it is that it is not even I was it not even remember when there were a couple phones that had a 3d screen yeah or 3d camera the curve is akin to that and LG's like all over again mix they have the button on the back oh they were as curved screen at which has been to compete with samsung's curved screen and what i used it i could not see the I mean I heard you know there was this argument like Oh it'll reduce glare know so they does are defending it or talking about it in the keynote today and it improves sound quality because the speakers off the table it allows you to hear better whole better and view better it improves grip because you can like I don't know you don't have to hold it back for whatever that's what they're saying and yeah sorry i was just watching that person step on the phone oh right i mean we're sure it's made to do that yeah i mean do we know for a fact that the phone is made to do that we've got the wolverine plastic on the back so yeah I don't know it's got a flexible battery is he mistake but yeah let's coming to sprint 18t I don't know why you need a phone it's like hey you know what if you had not if you had made the phone flat you wouldn't have to flex when somebody's yeah what are they saying it'll break it won't break is that why it's curved they're saying they're selling point was from what I understood they're selling point was it feels really great to hold it deserves your face up to me a sentence like it curves away because I guess I'll phone but a phone yet hold on to the curved part that was the reason for the curve or this your face I mean well your face might be perfectly flat my face is perfectly flat it's like it's like a two dimensional optica like a sprung out of Maxim can you even see my face right now no right on it right doesn't see it now oh there you are right nobody's just nothing weird yeah okay just like flatly right oh you know we should mention uh no actually two things yeah one of them is like going way back to the beginning late on me whatever put a dumb throw down Vizio said we're not making 3d can you bikinis any more threes that we said last year 3ds day and now he is admitted it 3d is dead yeah I mean consumers don't care about 3d they don't want to watch 3d in their homes if you showed them a TV that had immaculate perfect three something just happened behind us did they don't get hit by it may have been will we hit by something let me know what that was when may have thrown a brick or maybe someone through G flex at us it's possible LG is retaliating thats related avi about the g flex seriously what was that we should find out we'll figure it out if this could I last that I was like I really want a backhoe to just come driving through the 10 now you're going to now the backhoe is actually going it's going to be great in it so this could be our last broadcast and you wanted a great time with a great time with you guys ok anyhow are we just talking about oh just think that companies are beginning to give up on 3d oh yeah well sweetie I mean don't worry is it always going to say if you gave if you were like here's the TV it looks beautiful perfect exactly normal but you can switch it into 3d mode without glasses and it'll show you 3d and it will be perfect there's a you're tearing or blurring or you know interlacing or whatever maybe maybe maybe somebody would use it but like you have to give them that experience yeah i mean what's the deal with with some ticket sales for 3d movies how they doing well they do better but it's because there's like no other option but i don't think they're doing as well as they they were they they're not a couple of years ago and they also cost for so like figuring out the numbers is really nice we do is always a gimmick in my opinion I mean you James Cameron will tell you that it's a life-changing experience I've not seen gravity in 3d and everybody says gravity is the movie that 3d was made for so I could be wrong I didn't get a chance right see it you're very unhappy I'm saying it's been ruined for the two people hey I know spoiler alert Braun dies now come on Rob Harry Potter robbery from Harry Potter died because he has no gravity he's like hey guys she gets shot by an alien yeah that's what would happen right Ron okay oh I think we're nearly done allergies or anything else talking about with LG no I think that's fine it's really nothing else I mean there we have no idea if they're going to make a phone and if you make a phone or tablet LG please go back and use that Moshe you I that we wrote about last week that because that's pretty sick that's it that's it just that's my open request you I haven't heard what you thought of it yeah the webos said a lot The Lost I think it's awesome yeah can't wait can you use that you I somewhere no there are there are webos like fans currently theming the touchpad with it they're like re skinning the touchpad to like look at like it well it won't do all the crazy cart right right look no I mean the version of web by the way you and seeing this go see it dieter did kind of like expose on the oath of God we're such announcements oh oh love all the phones that were never made and web OS versions that never came to be and they are well the phones are would have the phones and tablets are completely don't ever that convertibles okay I blame HP for those designs I think they're pretty bad but the interface looks really awesome and I wish it existed it's like the perfect middle ground between flat and and skeuomorphic and it's just really beautiful very elegant I mean here's here's a look at it yeah really elegant and some extremely thoughtful design ideas yeah it just makes me so bummed that it never came to be look at that that's you want to use that calendar you want to touch those blobs of information LOB's of information of the future oh one last thing is we can go out of Nvidia's new 190 tour I named 92 core k 1 yeah we thought they'd eminent an extremely long keynote yeah not really LG related know what happened yesterday we I want to just bring it up yeah and say it looked great yeah if you didn't see it last night in videos extremos boring and one of the most boring I mean truly mind-numbing in areas yeah and anyhow they announced 192 core mobile it's basically the new Tegra yeah and it is they say it's a console grade probably know it's Kate wholesome really they showed up on aisle 4 engine on it and and and if they can get that into phones and get games using it it's definitely taking kind of not in the best spot it's just a quick recap of stuff you might have missed last night though though I will say this is a good time to actually say it we're going to be doing Virg live all day after Samsung's event today at three o'clock at three p.m. pacific right threebees f PM pacific that's right 6 p.m. ET we will be back doing Virg live I don't know who's going to be on that I'll be here it will not be me not you and we don't know who knows might just be a person the person who drove the backhoe into the into the tent and then and then tonight at what time no oh I'm sorry yes at six nine o'clock on the East Coast 6 p.m. pacific verge cast after dark after hours well what do we call it it'll it'll be good to be both a pen and shits going to get real nasty so and they're sworn on our on our live recap of that that's that there should be only verged cast behavior but yeah you know what we're on the internet we can do whatever we want we'll have some some some haunches some head honchos breathing down our neck yeah I'm sensitive area sensors they're going to throw beans at us nobody's gonna throw bird means at us okay it's time for me to get some coffee all right that's so that's the verge alive post LG will be back at again at three p.m. pacific 6 p.m. east east coast to talk about samsung's event and all day long we'll be streaming live events we're going to have lots of new and we have a crazy amount of news today tons of reports tons of hands-on zand first looks and it's going to get very hot very hot and heavy very sexy so stay tuned to the verge stay tuned here and we'll see you guys after the 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