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welcome to the verge live uh just after the Apple events a little bit after we're taking it slow and casual much like the apple event itself to be honest very low-key kind of doldrum event I'm here with Chris sigler and top of the show actually we have dieter bohn from san Cisco we'll get to in just a second but real quick um you know get logistic by the way if you have questions for us or for dieter hashtag ask verge here's the news that has happened so far the big now since iOS 8.1 and OS 10 Yosemite 8.1 will come up monday Yosemite came out today it is free is also knew I work ipad air 2 is a it's thinner than a lasered pencil iPad Mini 3 it's a complete waste of money we'll talk about that later iPad Mini 2 plus 1 basically basically and then a 27-inch imac with 5k retina displays actually really impressive in priced very well too also updated mac mini for some reason wish which tom warren is extremely excited about I a mystery site again if you have questions for us report eater has hashtag ask verge and we'll get them to us alright let's go ahead and get started dieter are you there hey dieter you looking good um hey how's it going it's doing well it's a couple questions real quick how was the how was the ipad event was it as boring for you as it was for us at home I mean kinda that we were expecting Apple to go through their usual run down at these events they go over you know the latest OS again on the iphone they go over the latest OS on the Mac they remind you how good the iphone sold they they sort of run through the numbers of all the features that we kind of had heard about you know earlier in the year at their other two events but they did that for what felt like quite a long time and then we sort of raced through the new hardware stuff and it just like it was exactly what we were expecting nothing more than that no real surprises except I suppose the mac mini was neat to see I might end up buying one but yeah there wasn't a whole lot of holy crap i would say the the the best part of the whole event was stephen colbert doing a cameo to demo the phone calling feature on the mac yeah we have a video that won't play that probably in a little bit afterwards let's go on top with the products real quick so the ipad air 2 with the laser shared intro did you get chance to play with that at all after the event yeah yeah i did just a little bit and you know what it's an ipad it's stupid thin it feels pretty light the screen is very pretty it's fast I mean that I hate to say it but like it's kind of boring but this has been the knock against Apple products for a long time they seem kind of boring but they're great the one thing I'm most curious about with the the new iPad air is the anti-reflective coating you know I didn't get enough time with it to really see how I feel about it but you know I've got lamps in my house that's a thing that people have and like using the iPad lights behind you can be a pain and so I'm really hoping that it'll be it'll be nicer so we'll see but yeah I mean of the the stuff that was announced today I think that the coolest thing was obviously the new iMac and then the number two thing is the the ipad air 2 and then from there you just can kind of forget about the rest of it so let's talk briefly about or maybe a length about via the imac because i agree with you i think that was the most interesting announcement in the most exciting i'm assuming you've seen the display is it as insane as it sounds it is even more insane than it sounds it is just stupidly good-looking it has incredibly good viewing angles you know just they're playing growth video editing software obviously to show it off I didn't see any lag but of course this is a demo unit so it's ideal conditions the way that they've got it all set up but I you sort of run out of things to say about a screen when you look at it it's like there's no pixels that you can see it is gorgeous it is bright it has incredibly saturated rich colors if there's a better screen available for a regular human to go out and buy today to look at things on I've not seen it right and what about the screen legs you notice anything I need to talk about this time and controller a little bit too yeah I mean they they they Apple's very excited they brought it up two or three times they made this custom chip to control the pixels sure I mean I I'm sure that it's important I mean I didn't detect any lag but again it was a pretty controlled demo so it's really hard to say you know if it will actually do it I know it was an issue with the you know the first retina Mac so there was some concern that they weren't powerful enough to keep up with it but you know this is a big ass desktop and so they've got you know plenty of stuff that they could pack into it they don't have to worry as much about heat apple claims it's even more energy efficient than before two so presumably that helps with heat as well so I don't think that we're going to see the same sort of early issues that we saw with the original retina max on this imac I think it's just it's just going to be good I think one thing that's really surprising about this this imac is the pricing i think you expressed a little bit of surprise in the live blog and i was my job momentarily dropped as well and so i guess my question is what does this mean for the mac pro I mean I guess there's probably still market for it but it certainly seems like this steps on it a little bit particularly considering how much time they spend talking about video editing with this announced and and also what the heck a 5k display I would expect to spend twenty five hundred dollars just on a 5k display much less an entire imac with a you know a 339 gigahertz was i5 or i7 and I'm you know one terabyte fusion drive all this stuff so it would talk a little bit about the price was that was that a shock for you yeah it was I mean I gotta be honest I'm not I haven't been shopping for 4k displays or TVs or moderate or anything else so I'm not super conversent in that but I was fully anticipating this thing was going to be over $3,000 so I was pretty shocked that they were able to get it in at 2,500 you know if I if I owned a mac pro right now the one thing I'm wondering is how can I make this thing my monitor for my mac pro and why can they make one that doesn't have the whole computer in it to bring the price down even further I bet not at least not for a while yeah i mean the the big question with any desktop computer is justify your existence convinced me to buy you instead of a laptop and with the mac pro it's easy it's like this is a super pro grade machine to do super pro grade stuff and with an imac you know it's not going to be as powerful as a mac pro so they've got to do something and so it's either got to be super cheap or amazing in some other way and Apple kind of managed to do both it's not ridiculously cheap but to get this display for this much money I certainly wasn't expecting it and you have to wonder you know apples famous for having really high profit margins you kind of have to wonder if they're getting that on this computer so let's talk about a ipad for a second because this is the first one that's available in gold have you seen a gold one is it as ridiculous as it sounds it's muted it's not like look at me I'm gold in the way that the iphone 6 plus is so it's not so bad it's not so ridiculous I would almost say it feels more bronzy than gold I mean I'm a guy that used to own an orange iphone so I'm really not one to talk but it doesn't look too ostentatious and ridiculous to me so to be clear this is a different shade of gold than the iphone 6 and 6 plus it seemed like it to me but I mean it could be that just at that size it it looks a little bit different but I mean I was expecting to look at this thing and have to shield my eyes and and just find it to be the most ostentatious ostentatious device ever created by human hands and it also didn't look like that I mean I still would be getting a space gray one you know actually honestly if we're talking about iPads I I did the hands-on with the the iPad Mini 3 4 for the website and I've been waiting to talk about it because of everything that happened today it is by far the most disappointing it's basically an ipad mini with retina AKA ipad mini 2 and they threw touch ID on it for a hundred that's it yeah like it didn't even get stage time yeah they they just like Schiller's like oh yeah by the way we did the thing with the retina on the mini it's like it's got touch ID now see ya it's like oh but that was the one I was gonna buy no it's ya know it's embarrassing but we talked to us in our era news but they also now have one yeah let's say that's it again I'll just go on sorry about that i was going to say they also seem to have 15 different ipad models in their lineup now you get the original ipad mini you get the ipad mini 2 you get the ipad mini three you get the ipad air and you can get the ipad air 2 i miss any is that everything it's just five I think that's everything although it does seem like the ipad mini 2 is going away because like i said it's a hundred dollars for touch ID and gold everything else we look at the spec comparison before we went on the air everything else is the exact same which is almost like ipad mini to get it now because it's a good deal while supplies last because pretty soon that price looks like no wonder they didn't spend any time talking about the mini 3 and it's it's not a good deal you're like Peter mentioned you're paying a hundred dollars for basically touch ID and and it's seemingly nothing else it looks better though if there is no ipad mini 2 on the market which i feel like in a couple months time after christmas that stock is just going to dwindle i don't know if that's true i mean we'll see but but typically apples strategy has been to keep the old models in the lineup for a full product cycle but we'll see I mean look at 5c to like the iphone 4s stuck around longer that might be the ipad mini one because oh you get the cheapest ipad / 250 bucks that's a great rounding pitch right so dieter let me ask you a lot a lot of time talking about taking pictures on tablets which seems to be a an admission by Apple that this is a thing and it's not going anywhere so we might as well make it a really good experience what was your what's your reaction well hang on hang on hang on hang on why are you calling in an admission an admission implies that there's something wrong taking pictures with your tablet is cool bro it's awesome thing to do I just like look like they're there situations where it's not okay to take a picture with a tablet if you're at a concert don't be that person otherwise you know what don't judge it's cool it's a big screen and at least with the ipad air it seems to have just a really good camera they took a whole bunch of the stuff that they created for the iphone 6 in terms of like software features and applied it to the ipad air it doesn't they didn't get into enough detail to say whether or not it's the exact same sensor and the exact same optics as the iphone 6 i'm sure it's not because it just doesn't look like there's space for it but yeah if you've got a really good camera on an ipad then you know use it i will say that the one sort of admission thing they did do is they went right from like you can take pictures of it aren't these cool pictures to talking about like wild and crazy apps that you can use on an ipad that kind of makes sense with the camera they had the thing where you know they show like a baseball guy swinging and like you can like analyze the accuracy or the behavior of a swing that was kind of neat but really you know at the end of the day like there's nothing other than even the touch ID was not the thing there's nothing with either of these that makes you go holy crap this is a brand new thing that I was not expecting that is going to change things yes they made it crazy thin they shave the pencil with the laser but other than that I mean it's an iPad it's a really good tablet it's probably the best tablet and it's better than last year and we just keep on marching on I was hoping to see more I mean they even said on stage I think with Schiller said each one of our products in our lineup pushes the other products to be better so the iphone pushes the ipad into needing to be more professional if you're going to make that claim I think you need to finish it you need to finish it by showing us maybe that split screen stuff that's been rumored for so long I was really hoping we'd see an ipad air demo that showed some real multitasking but we didn't most of the software story was stuff that they had already talked about in you know earlier in the year yeah it actually seems to me like maybe they sandbagged just a little bit to pump up an event early to mid 2015 that'll involve of course the Apple watch maybe some sort of ipad pro which has been rumored for it like 20 years it feels like and of course the the retina MacBook Air yeah I mean I'm waiting for that retina MacBook Air you know people were hoping it'd show up at this event I'm totally fine with it not showing up this event if the chips aren't ready if the thing is it ready just wait because it's computer that every single human on the planet is waiting to buy and they've got to get it right so if it's not ready yet I'm totally fine waiting it's funny how much the the Apple watch came up I mean they needed to tease it here and there I think the only real use we saw with it was they showed off it was a preg trigger ed showed like using it as a remote to go through his presentation but it wasn't clear to me if he was tapping the screen or twisting the digital crown but they look fine they look they look good on executives were so they would flash it so early 2015 it didn't move up well we'll see him next year great dieter we gotta let you go into the second but final thoughts what was any other final thoughts on the event itself just overall it ran through fast it felt almost a little Samsung and how quickly they ran through features and we're willing to just jam through tech specs which was not something I expected from Apple but really like the takeaway for the day is get to an apple store and look at the display on this imac because it's just crazy awesome well dieter thank you so much thanks guys all right let me to get back and grab coffee and all that we do actually have first footage of the ipad hands-on take a look at that and we'll come back we'll answer some of your questions from a scourge hey guys the average I'm here with the new iPad air 2 which is really really thin I've got my old iPad air here you can see how much thinner this guy is just it's incredibly thin one notable change is there's no more side switch here it's gone but here it is it's really thin it's got touch ID sensor on the front inside its got a new ax processor and the screen actually is laminated now the first time an iPad the screens in laminated which is just like the iphone and the iphone 6 plus and it looks really really incredible it's like you're touching and pixel is exactly in the display which is a big change the iPads may have been wanting for a long time there's also Apple pay support but there's no NFC so it's all happening to touch ID sensor now wave it if they use you can't wave a knife in that it's a that other big change to bat the camera is new to eat megapixel iSight camera Apple's really high in it they spent a lot of time talking about this new camera here to trust a picture with it I think tablet photography has really arrived it took a picture of land co and off there is with handsome this is I think a big deal i think i've had photography and the apps that make use of a good camera on a big screen are actually coming up and changing so that is in the ipad air 2 and here is the iPad Mini 3 this is the updated ipad mini it has the a7 processor it has new finishes it comes from gold now the major change here is really the touch ID sensor on the front this play is still not optically bonded but it is a really nice-looking iPad I just do this fall in a second as you can see here the iPad Mini 3 still kind of notably thicker than the new iPad air 2 so between the two and the iphone 6 plus you actually have a huge collection of screen sizes or iOS now I think the air to is really nice product the screen laminated is a big improvement over the original air and it is just so much thinner it is actually kind of impossible to parently what I love the most about that video is like Neil I just grabbing it you know there was another journalist out there probably taking pictures or doing their own hands on video ya know like I'm sorry I hope it was Joanna Joanna stern formerly of the verge now we're really over a wall see journal great so we're going to take a few questions a hashtag ask average I'm just running through this real quick if you have any other questions keep updating and I'll keep just looking down I promise I'm looking at you and everything you're asking us and nothing else let's go through real quick I was gonna hear anything about any macbook updates at all look I said maybe just spring hopefully yeah ipad mini 2 vs 3 we talked about a little bit dieter let's just kind of rehash that just a hair the only difference is we can tell we've looked at the apples official spec sheet the only differences are once available and gold one has touch ID and one cause one hundred dollars more and that's basically all the iPad Mini 3 if you can get the ipad mini tune you do not care about touch ID and you do not care about gold that's probably the better deal yeah I think I think that that what we mentioned this when we were talking with dieter the it you know paying a hundred dollars for for touch ID seems completely insane and if you if you have a mini to I don't think that there's any reason that you would want to consider mini three even if you have a mini or no mini at all I'm not sure that the mini three makes the most sense because sure touch ID is nice but is it something that that you want to spend a hundred dollars on protein and probably not so unless you either desperately needed gold mini you desperately need a touch ID or you just like throwing money everywhere for a giant corporations mini 2 seems like the best deal it does and then we should also get into this another question of missing a lot what's up with the iPod the iPod Touch specifically the 16 gigabyte ipod touch right now is $109 the cheapest 7.9 inch mac mini is now two hundred and forty nine dollars i like right now the ipod touch is still on sale but I'm kind of wondering how long that's going to be as well you so your hypothesis is that they're just going to kill that pod touch I mean they just killed the ipod and yeah but it for a long time I like updated the shuffle or the name which are great like utilitarian devices I'm sure they still sell decently but those numbers that on the decline for so long I think they're very polarizing products because you know different people have very different opinions about what's going to happen with these lines date if you talk to David Pierce he'll tell you that that the ipod touch is a gateway drug into iOS and it's also I mean it's a very good point that it's something that you give your kids right and I can give your child you know your six-year-old child a 6 plus maybe well I don't know but uh but it's a lot more cost effective and potentially less expensive to give them something a month the month that is to give them something that doesn't have a cellular connection ipod touches is old it's a lot cheaper than a six so and and you're sharing the same apps obviously with your phones so right but you're also showing the same maps with the ipad which can upscale and the difference is not only fifty bucks and that's also requiring extra apple to continue support the lower resolution which or the lower size screen which they're doing right now with obviously the legacy iPhones right I just I don't know how long that's they're going to care to do that once the 4s is completely out of the cycle and I guess or the five yes Laila cycle that's true i mean let's put it this way if they could find a way long term to deliver say a 99 100 $29 ipod touch with the current specs or maybe even slightly warmed over specs I think that's a product that they can and would want to leave in the lineup for a very long time to come because the the entry point into iOS then becomes very very low it that's not to say that that it can't be low as it is you have products like you mentioned the 5c which is zero on contract you you have products like the the original iPad Mini but still if you could if you could hit sub hundred dollars with with an ipod touch that would be a really compelling proposition there a lot of people who want access to the app store on a knife I think on an iPhone form factor but don't necessarily need a cellular connection so really you can think of it as like the smallest iPad at that point really good the ipad nano back the ipad danna that's right um a couple of question which to run through and i can talk about the the tone of the event as a whole uh mac mini extra shot with that later cuz i'm really excited about that uh should we get should you actually download OS 10 using me on day one we actually just published a review of OS in yosemite we done and it looks pretty solid but more or less we find a birthday yeah David told me in the process of reviewing it that he was hard pressed to find bugs that said that said I have never personally been a day one downloader I'm not going to be a day one downloaded this time is the person that buys the phone on day one harder is different well you know I rely pretty heavily on creative cloud for instance and adobe is infamous for having compatibility issues new versions of OS 10 right I just want to give it a few days let other people be the guinea pigs and then we'll see what happens but now you just yet I'm a strong believer that OS 10 Pete with snow leopard I'll go to my grave saying that um but yeah a pre eventually okay I I what you are gonna be a day when downloaded that weary yeah hundred percent I do not care about whatever little nagging issues are gonna be there like it's still overall a better product great so I live on the air man just as does you have to do funny it's live television who cares i'm doing it right now on but the last question they were probably take we're going to move on is there anything surprise you at this event uh to me it's just the amount of dad jokes in weird goofiness of the secrecy yeah it was a it's a new apple right like i think that every event that federighi is and i get more and more surprised at what a huge effect he has on the tone of the event I think back to WWDC with the OS 10 weed jokes Air Force Air Force One he's he's definitely a light-hearted character in their executive mix and I think that is a good look for them the problem the only problem is that they leaned they had to lean way too heavily on him to make dad joke this is a Eddy Cue and I don't even know who doing the secret handshake and failing the most ill-advised yeah and then he gets kicked out of the building um yeah no I think that it's it's fine it's all well and good that they do that sort of stuff but they just need to not do it as much they had lieen really heavily on him here because they didn't have lots to talk about right and they there's probably a lot of you know there are many minutes that they could have trimmed out at this event if they'd wanted to I know agreeing to the terms conditions this is happening folks right now you you are really gonna regret but they're also the talk of like not just double it down Lee crossed out its triple downing on secrecy if they're like just a wink and nod the fact that everything is kind of leaked it was already like a kind of pretty low key event as self yeah I mean it yeah can you imagine that happening in the jobs here I certainly can't you know I might not imagine them letting anyone like that number executives developers on stage that we're like pristine in eloquent as all out because right anyone who fumbles with their words a lot of people did fumble with a Q cut with the Q's today uh it would probably been fired me on the jobs are it's a nice trick too rigid yeah it's it was very interesting to see the way that they treated even last night when the when the 8.1 user guide leaked with the the new iPads in it I think that yeah I expected Apple to just freaked out and certainly not acknowledge it on stage and instead they joked about it for like 20 minutes and they brought in uh chief of secrecy or now Supreme Commander secrecy Stephen Colbert Stephen Colbert ass she would just watch that clip real quick I just wanted I just want to show everyone else what that was like to see in the live stream and so next I'm going to move on to the next slide in my presentation and you know I heard that our new chief of secrecy Stephen Colbert has some concerns about his part of the presentation and so actually I can give him a call from my mac right here at his office so let's just type up Stephen there's this work number and I can just dial right here and it's going to die up my max gonna actually make a speaker phone call through my phone and by the way yeah I have the coolest job in the world I get to talk to Stephen Colbert hello uh hi Steven it's craig from apple i'm sorry i don't recognize that name oh oh right hello red delicious this is granny smith / is the squirrel in the basket Roger Foxtrot Thunderbolt retina swift lightning okay their line is secure magical I have some very critical feedback on the content of your presentation today specifically I've got a big problem with my title well a chief secrecy officer that's a pretty impressive title I just don't think it's big enough to capture how important my role is and have let me run this one by you hear me out supreme Allied commander of super secrecy I don't know Craig if supreme Allied commander was good enough for Ike it's good enough for me ok it beat Hitler we also accept intergalactic Chancellor intergalactic Chancellor how about Supreme Commander you let him know I uh who I'm sorry I mean chairman honeycrisp oh yes yes yes absolutely i don't like I don't let the Chairman know you see things my way now please get back to work because you know what I see when I look at my wrist my wrist chop-chop I'm jonesing from some jewelry quick I'll get right on it Steven all right over now granny smith over and out red delicious he's jonesing for some jewelry his Jones modular we actually did get asked what watches were wearing and this is a busted seven dollar novelty gift with the golden eye pause screen you realize that you can get that of course you do you can get that Vette watch face on a moto 360 I also realize i can save through dollars and get a nice dinner and some drinks and go on vacation that's fair just why I have not upgraded my iphone yet either I like to enjoy having money I'm wearing my favorite g-shock I'm a bit of a g-shock beast Sam is going to kill me for for admitting that Sam is not a g-shock fan but until right now I'm on an iphone six-plus so I can't use my moto 360 so I'm kind of is the question is do I get a pebble I kind of like the blue there's a there's a pebble that's kind of a similar color to this or do I just wait for the up a watch or do I just give up on smartwatches completely well if I don't spend money on iphone 6 plus a piano dollars try the pebble you can try the one that I stole from dan I'm not using it anymore did you mug him I didn't I asked nicely I say you just care it yeah okay we start I won't have a l'ecole birthing because that is the only time on Apple stage that Hitler has been mentioned in any way shape or form are you sure have you gone back for all the events I'm just gonna take a wild guess and say no has ever mentioned Hitler on an apple so I was I was just thinking while we were watching that this is now at least the second time and I'm assuming more than that I'm just not remembering correctly that they've prominently featured and spoken to one or more celebrities right during the event and it seems like maybe that's you know for a very long time Apple has involved music popular musicians and musical groups in in their events and now it seems like maybe they are there moving to celebrities like in television movie slippery yeah I mean it's simply that broad appeal and we talked about that when the Apple watch that came out and like the fact that they're giving interviews to Vanity Fair to vote until his places like the idea now is like they want Apple to be a fashion brand and to be a fashion mainstream brand need to bring in celebrities and people who are influential in those circles that is your talk show host for your future CBS late-night talk show host that is the foo fighters who are still relevant that is Coldplay who is consciously uncoupled itself from reality or that's that's you too I'm sorry uh speaking of fashion and celebrities I was thinking on know where the segways I just I just want to bounce something off again I was thinking I during the event what if Apple did an ipad edition or an imac edition like they're doing an apple watch edition that is 18 karat gold 18 karat gold iMac and 1800 maybe nine imac cuz that but shy it's a lot of gold right there but certainly I mean someone will buy it uh but but certainly uh an ipad edition I think would play well I think it would play well in certain circles people who have more money than either of us will ever imagine but again it's a fashion brand I think the interesting part of that if we're gonna go back to the last month's event is the how long do Apple watches stick around iPads you know you upgrade once or twice a year they keep it very similar the iphone cycle i have phone cycle yeah but these so via i think that although Apple does upgrade its iPads annually miss of course we saw that again here today that that doesn't support itself in the same way that the iphone upgrade cycle does which is very reliable every year you have you know a very significant percentage of iphone users upgrading to the next iphone some viet we i'm sure that other other groups use this this vocabulary as well but we say the people on the s track if like they're only upgrading every other year on the quitting ross miller here with the ipad i think it's just like well i have an ipad it works fine i'm going to upgrade when it breaks right i know i know lots of people that still have an ipad 2 so I i think that the product cycles and the the life cycles for the devices is that is actually very different from category to category lots of unanswered questions about the watch we don't know if they're going to attempt upgraded annually we don't know what they're going to do when they do upgrade it because you're sitting there with a chunk of actual 18 carat gold in your hand or whatever the material may be right so that's yeah that's definitely an open question my question is well one of my many questions is what did they do with the ipad mini next year because i think one of the reasons that it was downplayed so have we haven't talked about this yet i wanted to get into it one of the reasons that the ipad mini was so heavily downplayed this year is because the six plus encroaches on its territory and certainly for we this is something that we've heard many times and i believe it's true if you if you bought a six plus or if you're going to buy a six plus and you also want an ipad that I you're certain you're almost certainly not going to buy the ipad mini because it's so close to a 6 plus you'll probably get the big ipad well it's even it's less powerful than 6 plus now too because it's still last year's processor yeah that's a very good point so the question becomes do they do a more significant refresh of the many next year or do they just kind of semi-permanently downplay the significance of the mini and light of the very large phones that they're now making I I don't know I don't know the answer yeah I think that we should also talk about the naughty Elf in the room but something that we should talk is kind of hangs over yesterday course Google announced android 5.0 I pop it is a lollipop it is lovely proud lava cake or what are the bases in there I just guessing Liam Gallagher but that didn't happen either wow I do I'm still bummed about oasis yeah 50 ages later when I bet I can't they're going up yeah but with that of course new flagship products the HTC made Nexus 9 same resolution as the ipad air but 8.9 inch 4 by 3 ratio same also pre-orders start tomorrow with that because 64 bit processor first for a nexus tablet to expand nine hour battery life is the tin on the ipad air and it starts at four hundred dollars for 16 gigs so it's it's priced very competitive with the ipad air yet it's I think that Google definitely looks at this premium product it's the first time they've gone to HTC for a Nexus device in quite some time and and i think it's it's super notable that they're going to four by three with this tablet instead of sixteen by nine or some other aspect ratio it's pretty clear to me that they want this to be a direct competitor to the ipad line it's it's kind of neither a mini nor an error in terms of size but but it falls somewhere in between and i think that it's gonna it's going to sell very well because it's it's it's that it's the right aspect ratio and and it's it's a good looking product that's really good price for it too yeah but so does this affect the the sort of balance of power between Apple and Google in the tablet space uh I it depends largely on how this is marketed right if we see this in stores everywhere if we see big kiosks for it I think they can make it dint you look at the Nexus 7 and sold very well right then the next is in fact there was a time when we said that the nexus 7 was the only android tablet that mattered and i think that the next 9 could be the new that right i mean then 8.9 inches i mean that's a perfectly sized like it's the ipad make better with the right specs the right price yeah um you know I a lot of Alaskans compared to to the problem but that is we know what the ipad air's like we tried today we haven't tried five point over the Nexus 9 we even tried Nexus 9 we haven't tried a final version of Android 5 we haven't we haven't touched a nexus 9 lots of unanswered questions but but I have a strong feeling they're going to be answered very soon yeah and I promise when we know what the Nexus 9 is like we will tell you and we will draw comparisons of course between the two because they are as you are going on sale both going on pre-orders tomorrow you know that's the the if then if not that yes question yeah we're definitely not going to keep those impressions to ourselves we're going to put those on the website not one bit and I guess we should probably get abs we're sort of wrap around the wrap up what is also wrap around 40 start a wrap around just like this not allowing wrap up the imac minus the Brenda display yep that's the big question that's actually probably most exciting and today and you talked about the price the the mac mini was mostly no I'm kidding the mac mini was a participating announcement yeah I look I twenty five hundred dollars is a lot to spend on a computer for anybody but if you're going to spend twenty five hundred dollars on a desktop I can't imagine not seriously considering this thing right right it's it's the total package and ever since they did the last round of redesigns on the imac and made them super thin it's a beautiful all-in-one it's just it's it's a really striking device and with this display I mean it's it's insane the fact one thing that they said a couple times on stage which i think is just crazy to think about is the fact that you can edit a 4k video pixel for pixel and still have room for the UI of the video editor around it which is just it's well I mean I'm curious about that allegation because it's it's 5k retina but if you know like your retina MacBook you're not actually getting 5k or not you're getting the full render display you're getting fine-tuned pixels and like a 2500 by 1600 like sometimes they'll actually just like make it a crisper display using the extra pixel space so I'm curious what is realistically how they were going to use that screen yeah yeah points versus pixel sorry John is in my ear correcting all my techno babble thank you I'm sure that that our I have to believe that our video team is kind of frothing at the mouth over this 5k display but maybe I'm wrong maybe they think it's a piece of garbage well to have a serious conversation with I about this device afterwards we actually we have hands-on with the imac retina so people have actually seen it can talk about it Jeff lather so let's take a look at that you guys this is David for virgin and this is the new Retina imac it's an imac with a Retina display has the same body as always it's still super thin but it has this brand-new 5120 by 2880 display that's exactly double the resolution of the last time and there's a whole bunch of new technology in here to support it there's a new timing controller which tells the pixels when the move and where there's all kinds of stuff going on here Apple basically had to rebuild the display they say it's the world highest resolution display and honestly I have no reason not to believe that this way looks amazing like in the you see every detail of Paris and the Eiffel Tower and everything looks amazing it's designed for photographers and people who work with 4k video and it really is just gorgeous and it's also still thin and light and really nice the display is the hero here it's two thousand four hundred ninety nine dollars to start with a 3.5 gigahertz core i5 processor you can spec it up and get a 3 terabyte hard drive and 4 gigahertz core i7 processor you can you're really crazy with this thing but this is very much the top-of-the-line imac it's really beautiful you'll really have to see the screen to believe it for most people it might be overkill but it's really really really nice this is the new imac with retina display is out right now and it's probably the best computer screen i've ever seen ok we actually wanted to talk about the imac retina but we just saw this while the vids going on Apple is actually including its own sim card one sim many options so if you get a cellular iPad you can just change the carrot on the fly it seems this is something that where I am and I'm sorry this is happening in real a little reading about it as we speak but this is something that we we have known that Apple's wanted to do for some time move to an embedded sim this goes back to the Steve Jobs days I think there were rumors that he he personally thought that that Sims were onerous and terrible needed to go away and of course they Apple was a major force in getting the the so called for FF that the nano SIM pushed through the standards process and approved they keep trying to make this am smaller and with the eventual goal of making them go away and it looks like they have now achieved that Alma with the ipad air 2 yeah they're they're they're definitely moving in that direction here single sim can be as as Ross mentioned can be reprogrammed depending on the the carrier that you're taking the iPad to what the practical benefit of this to the end user is really pretty small I've never personally considered the sim to be that annoying you just pop it out you pop a new one in the most annoying thing about it is something that Apple actually pioneered which is the sim tool would be the tray yeah used to be that you just pop the battery cover off something with this imminent take the same amount bullets amount but also now they don't have to even create that functionality so you can make it a thinner device the les portes it has to have right the interesting thing is and this is actually on their official site when you look at the ipad air 2 stuff there's one sim description it shows in the picture 18 T it shows t-mobile show sprint verizon not listed I don't know if like that's still a separate device all together I can't imagine but that is interesting it isn't certainly isn't a cdma thing because spring is in that list right yeah I don't know but it's uh that's that's unusual and it's um it's also unusual that this is something they're introducing on the the ipad not the iphone then again correct me if i'm wrong Ross because you're in a walking encyclopedia you know all things a pop I believe this is not I believe that the ipad is where the mini sim first debut the original ipad i want to say was the worst production device to have a three FF mini sim and then the iphone 5 i believe was the first production device dev of 4 FF nano-sim so that they have pioneered some sim technologies on the ipad before and it looks like they're doing so again here if you look at it selling apples paid ipad air 2 / wireless all that participants or ATT Sprint t-mobile and course EE in the UK Everything Everywhere which is my favorite name for a company ever right um with of course the sub notes participating carriers are subject to change so yeah they must have worked the only way they could have done this is by working with carriers to commit to make this happen and a you know i have to say i have to give Apple tons of credit regardless of whether you like apple or not like the the amount of control that they wielded over carriers which are notoriously hard to work with is amazing to this day they are basically the only sure that is allowed to roll out firmware updates willy-nilly without carrier approval usually that works out very well sometimes it doesn't like with a point 0 point one but but this is this is indeed very interesting and something that will be doing some more research on we should go back to the imac yeah goodbye to that Mac now this tangents over yeah the so we saw David's hands on and by all appearances from everything we've heard from both David and also from dieter the display is miraculously good right is a question whether you want to spend $25 on it or you could get two thousand dollars on a 4k TV videos big uh push was a nine dollar 4k and get a new mac mini which I'm not kidding I'm actually kind of excited about yeah note I mean Tom Warren squealed with glee at the mac mini announced I didn't know he was such a big mac mini fan but apparently he is I'm assuming that he's planning on installing windows 8 on it it just makes a really good like just like home PC like I just something can cook up to your big TV and run plex on it run all your video apps because I think we just added a total and I said Chris planted in tutorial on this that really is sometimes the best interface and like the most options come from just a web browser hooked up to your big TV yeah that's true that's true yeah that was actually really popular pizza version I knew all that it's still cheaper it's got a bigger screen too yeah I can't consider that that's that's a very good point you don't get the I mean there's something really sexy and appealing about just having a single device that you pull out of a box and set down and it's a 5k display with all these really amazing hardware components built in but there is also something to be said for saving a thousand dollars yes I just buys a 6 plus off contract look and will not upgrade the software look look I'm just saying um so the base mac mini starts at four ninety-nine is that right but although like yeah this is a fair comparison imac it's just 1.4 gigahertz intel core i5 dual-core it's like comparably to the specs the imac with retina is way better way more powerful i mean it's right definitely at some point you can see this blurring the line with the mac pro because we do not have and this insane people gasp before we do not have a new cinema display I think yeah i think someone pointed out i just went out it's been 1,000 127 days since the cinema display was last updated Thank You agent pollito for that that's Chris accurate that's insane I bet that they could have and would have shown a 5k cinema display today except that they didn't want to take the wind out of the sails of the imac launch that's my guess I I'm assuming that in 2015 WWDC we actually be a great place to date to debut it which is where they debut the mac pro two I believe yeah you might be right the model is Lisa form factor they all blur together how's the events / I but that would have been or that would be a great place in 2015 to show a 5k cinema display we one thing that I want to point out going back to the the list of available mac minis the 699 model which comes with a 2.6 gigahertz dual-core i5 8 gig of memory and a one terabyte hard drive very interesting the 2500 dollar retina imac has eight gig of memory and a one terabyte hard drive really yeah so that's that's pretty striking to go up by almost two thousand dollars in price well you not get more memory your heart you're also talking about 3.5 acres quad core processor so we're talking a lot more vessel and a dedicated graphics card where's the mac mini i'm assuming at intel iris graphics this is integrated graphics chip yeah sure i'm just saying that it seems like in 24 in late 2014 16 gigs should be the standard ram level for what is by all standards a high-end desktop so that was a little surprising to me and I think that dieter actually showed some surprise when he was live blogging about that as well that's Eric aliso need to ramp up to 16 gigs yeah and how much how much is that you're adding 200 bucks 200 bucks well if you're spending twenty five hundred dollars on in computer I guess you don't really care about 200 and and also I don't know if this is still true I haven't checked in on memory prices recently but it used to be that you could save a ton of money by just picking the base level of RAM an imac and upgrading it yourself um looking I'm actually like I'm pricing everything out right now John is asking John is that our producer is asking if you can upgrade the memory yourself that is actually a good question idea but it used to be it certainly used to be that that was the way to go just because it was so much cheaper right and 32 gig is how much 600 / base so if you want to max out your imac Rona it's about forty four hundred dollars peanuts pocket change let's do it press the x button do it yeah borrow your credit card utterly unrelated to that I already goaded you into into upgrading to which is not really it's not yet ah I'm swimming later today and soon as it does i will i promise you guys i download it and break my laptop and make it happen i think i'm just about wraps up everything today yeah wraps up most of the questions too I've guys have anything other questions and you want to hear any other news about the show or about Apple in general and check out the verge kamta nice website it's a little pretty it's good we're biased but but fairly so yeah um one thing again dieter out of San Francisco of course new line David also there covering the event live the entire time the entire crew here everyone worsen video and product and sales and everyone else in vox media all lovely people yeah there's a just we should have a credit roll yes that's that's about it so guys thank you so much ramara check out the verge calm for anything else and we'll see you next time Oh