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become remember 19 2012 and I am dieter bohn i'm dan seifert and i am chris sigler but where is vlad today lat is unavailable just unavailable I think I think Vlad is what the Europeans call on holiday oh right right right yeah well god bless him he needs it so we're here on a on a google hangout again and we aren't without or without our producer who is currently working on the verge show right now so we're flying by the seat of our pants and we clearly have no idea what's going on so I don't know I don't know if I don't know if I'd say that I think that you're you're a fine producer dieter that's very kind of you to say very very nice of you you're so I I have a conniver confession to make I actually have not listened to last week's show I'd tell me what happened give me give me the Reader's Digest version of what I missed um I believe we spent we spent about five minutes talking about BBM we talked a little bit about the droid DNA we talked a little bit about the nexus 4 and Sinofsky but we basically spent about 30 minutes making fun of you for buying a cyan Lumia 920 that's fair that's fair which by the way is no longer in my possession I I believe we made fun of him for his other purchase as well if I remember correctly because of the nexus for purchase I'm pretty sure we uh we forward to you for that oh yeah no make fun of me all you want I bet all y'all would would love to have a nexus 4 right about now not good it's not it's not the nexus for purchase it's the fact that you went bought it from a tmobile store and paid an extra hundred and fifty dollars for it oh yeah because more than that I believe but yeah because they're readily available right now and nobody in the right mind would pay six hundred dollars for a 16 gig Nexus 4 right now yeah okay that's fair so so how are you feeling now that you currently own a nexus 4 I really don't want it in my life and in fact I don't have in my life anymore it's uh it's gone I gotta say Chris it's it's really remarkable how quickly you're able to dispose of these devices like in one day you're able to just like shed yourself of you know Oh every smart how much of your time of your day of your average week is spent either purchasing or getting rid of smartphones but you probably somewhere between 80 and 85 percent i would estimate uh no i mean it's so you know I I you know let me just defend myself ok I felt obligated to buy the nexus for last week because it was there yeah and and that was at a time you know there was the first day of retail availability and I knew that they were gonna be in short supply because I I was in New York at the time and I called the t-mobile store on thirty-fourth Street so right across the street from macy's i believe in herald square and and they had five and she said but they're going fast you know if you want one you better hurry down here i can't put one aside for you so I ran down there and she's like you know okay it's gonna be it's gonna be you know 499 + taxon and what's your account number and I'm like I don't have an account with you and she's like well then I can't sell it to you and I'm like fine give me an account so uh so I bought one month of prepaid which you know the minimum for that phone is it you know you need the 60 the sixty dollar plan to activate that phone so I ended up spending 500 + 60 plus tax and I felt I felt very very bad about it but but here's the thing i was like ninety-five percent sure that's gonna take that phone back to the office and just immediately unload as like well you know i did i did the hard work of like going and getting the phone like I felt real you know good about that because like I called him like 20 minutes later they were all gone because like you know I don't want this thing surely somebody is going to want it want to take it off my hands and nobody did when they found out that i paid six hundred dollars for it I'm sure they would love to take it off your hands for like three hundred and fifty dollars plus tax yeah no doubt no doubt I mean like good luck getting one for 350 right now right so yeah I will say that like I placed my order um on the thirteenth and I am still in limbo I haven't gotten a shipping email I got the email saying it could be up to three weeks and I'm just pretty sure Google is trying to ruin my Thanksgiving possibly ruin my Christmas uh and I'm afraid that by the time Google actually ships this thing I won't want any more the nexus 5 will be out the nexus 5 will be out where like CES will be here and like i'll see like a whole bunch of stuff that i will want yeah okay so you you manage to offload the nexus for you sold it yeah the nexus 4 is gone the nexus 4 was out of my life and actually interestingly i was saying on Twitter this morning that i have for the first time since I believe 2002 I don't own any smartphone right now I am completely if you call my my line right now it'll go straight to voicemail the sim is sitting in my in my living room right now you don't have like an old phone you can slap it in you only not a single phone there's an n79 sitting right here which I don't actually consider a smart phone anymore by modern standards i guess i could put it in here but apart from that oh no no that's not true i also have uh this um this c7 that rc6 that i tried to sell down a couple weeks ago and he said yeah so I mean yeah I wonder what options I technically have options I just I choose not to exercise them so okay um what's your plan because you bought a 920 no good you bought a Nexus 4 no good you seem to refuse to accept a galaxy s3 or an optimist g or an HTC One X or HTC one x+ like are you gonna you are you gonna ban at eighteen t are you gonna just give up on having a smartphone what's your plan I think that I snapped to be honest I think that I've lost it I uh no because losing it would be actually going out and buying like a note 2 and using that seriously I'm not real that's when you're out that's when you're that's when you're you know you've lost it or we know you've lost it at least all options are on the table at this point I uh I am like so disillusioned by the smartphone landscape right now uh like there's at no time in history have there been so many options that all like uh you know shoot a glancing blow at perfection but then end up failing miserably in one word other he everything from the iphone 5 to the galaxy has three to the one x+ to the nexus 4 they all have at least one fatal flaw and and I'm just getting really sick and tired of it and I finally snapped on Twitter last night and leashed a long rant which I won't recount here to spare our listeners but the bottom line is that it's like you know i'm just so like i'm so pissed that this nexus 4 exists and it's like that all the technology everything that is required to run this phone on LTE exists like this is not science fiction there's not there's nothing there's nothing preventing anybody from using from creating this device with an elf with a functional LTE radio in it other than somebody's like stubbornest and or somebody else's like political BS like it and and I just you know I started flipping tables last night and I really haven't stopped since then and it's gotten to the point where my sim is sitting on a countertop that's where I am right now in my life just like except man just accept that you're gonna have to settle no Chris doesn't know I'm not I'm not settling I'm not accepting anything you you were settled before the nexus for existent you had this is true not this man before he experimented with a 920 and before he got into the nexus 4 he was actually quite settled from what i could understand you were happy on the iphone 5 yeah but I was but here's the thing everybody including you and I were like fiddling around saying oh you know this is this is going to be a fun summer we get to play with all these phones before the next Nexus comes and makes all of our web while this dreams come true then the nexus 4 comes and guess what it doesn't fulfill any of our wildest fantasies because it doesn't have LTE radio in it I mean it and and those like I dropped it over the weekend so it was all scuffed I'm like I don't want this stupid thing anymore like my life is just in shambles theater and I blame google it's entirely google's fault I mean listen just look what I've got right here I've got an HTC One X running Android 4.1 it's pretty nice I I don't want get your 1x out of my face yeah look at this point I don't know even if even if I guess they think he does still sell the 1x but if I were to like I would feel really bad about not buying the 1x plus if I were to do that if I were to get back into the HTC game right now and then I'd have to deal with unlocking because I really can't tolerate set like of all the skin sense is the one that I absolutely cannot tolerate right so I'd have to get I have to get rid of of the skin which means i'd have to you know get into the whole unlocking skinning thing cyanogenmod and then on top of that is take with 3 i'm not i don't want to take with free i want an s4 pro uh-huh why don't you just get an iphone 5 i'm done with this conversation something else I mean I want to help you ma'am I die I appreciate that but but the the longer the short of it is that I cannot be called or texted right now and everyone's just gonna have to deal with it until I figure out what's going on with my smartphone life I am unreachable I'm off the end this also means like you won't be able to leave your house because we can't email you either right right i guess i can go use like the computer in a public library or something but i definitely not I definitely do not have a smartphone good you should totally send a letter to paul that's what you should do yeah many people you in polar like very close no that's yeah that's not a bad idea i'm going to send him a postcard so maybe you should switch to a droid DNA dan recently reviewed it maybe he can convince you uh yeah so the droid DNA i reviewed this thing last week and I spend a good amount of time with it and actually still have it and I just want you guys to notice um that it's plugged in and charging right now ah and you know it's a very solidly built device it's got the best screen on the market without a doubt that 1080p display is phenomenal and I said this numerous times in the review um and it's got you know HD seized 8 megapixel camera which is okay and it's got a Snapdragon s4 pro quad-core processor which benchmarks like through the roof but uh it really doesn't have great battery life and I'm reporting what I saw a lot of people have you know reached out and said that you know I don't think it has his bad battery life as you say and you know other people aren't maybe aren't as critical on the battery life as I was but uh it's for about 450 now here on the East Coast and I've had this thing on the charger for almost an hour now because it is died or was very close to dying today and that's been my experience since I've had it I ran our regular battery test but I also did you know our real-world testing and I've been using it for quite a few days now and these results haven't changed the battery life just really isn't that great and I don't know what or to say about that um this day and age if a phone does not last me from 8am to 8pm then sorry it's it's a non-starter bingo bingo you are spot on my friend yeah and I think that's being very generous because I Mitch member so generous yeah I much rather have it go until I actually have to go to bed and like charge it by my nightstand um and the other things that I had an issue with even though it's got that crazy fast processor and benchmarks through the roof it definitely just did not feel as fast as a nexus 4 there are some serious scrolling issues and a lot of apps including Chrome for Android which is like you know the browser and it just didn't feel as fast overall opening apps navigating the interface and things like that and you know it's sense 4 plus which is sense for plus and I don't a guy I really don't want to say terrible things about this because I know a lot of people do like sense but I'm just not a fan of it uh and I really think it buries Sean someone who likes sense show me show me a human being who's like yes I want a phone with sense who doesn't work for HTC I was gonna say coming come up with a couple thousand be you know uh yeah two or three years ago sense was great when Android was in version 1.6 or you know two point O and an Android was really ugly and kind of clunky but now Android is not that is that as it's a different Android than what we saw two years ago or three years ago so it's really kind of frustrating that sense berries so much of what's good in android 4.1 and as a matter of fact i got so tired of the sense launcher by sunday that i just said forget it and i install the third party launcher on there and and it's it's been a better experience but still the battery dies so i will say that the the dual notification light is pretty baller yeah oh god it's awesome we did talk about a little bit last week I gave a little preview of that um you can actually see it's on notes where's my camera there it is on the back charging and yeah that was like my favorite hardware features it's also in the front group so I think that's awesome and I would love to see that on more phones because I've never seen that before but it's it's not enough to make me recommend you go out and buy this phone yeah so I mean this phone is it I don't know if it's in like it's not on the galaxy note 2 round how big is the screen again is it so it's a 5-inch display and I think you know it's it feels more like a 4.7 or four point eight inch device than a galaxy note like this is not a lot of people are calling is that phablet term which I actually loathe but this is not a tablet crossover this is just a big smartphone and I mentioned that in the review with the software that HTC put on here it's not attempting to be a tablet it doesn't have a stylist it's really not competing against the note 2 in my opinion it's competing against the galaxy s3 and it's competing against the Optimus G and other phones that are in the 4.7 the four point eight inch size range to the credit did do a good job of fitting a 5-inch screen in what feels like a 4.7 inch phone but it's still really big uh and then they also put the power button on the top which I might have complained about last week but I'm gonna complain about it again cuz it's terrible now I was just going to say like it's all you know that's the droid DNA in that body and it it's just I mean does it feel thick to you do you feel like like the solution would have been to let it get just a little bit thicker and get a removable battery or you know just a bigger battery in there you know it's not thick that's the thing it's actually really thin it it's in measures I think it's about nine point seven millimeters at its thickest at the the middle but then it tapers down to like four mil oh man that I got you know twenty five percent more battery or whatever it might be um and I think we said the same thing with the iphone 5 we don't need it to be thinner we want it to be longer lasting and it would have been much more useful to me at least if the battery lasted twenty five percent longer than it does or more because 25 per cents not that much more for them than what it does well it's the difference between like a non-starter and am I still here considering it yeah we're having lag it's because we don't have a real producer here you are a real producer dieter you're giving yourself too little credit yeah yeah apologize guys uh apologies but okay I thought I heard you dieter wow this is terrible um what else can we talk about there's a some other like so Steve Ballmer called Android wild and uncontrolled and susceptible to malware this week and you know sure it's kind of I don't you guys have anything that you want to say about Ballmer's thoughts on android is it any surprise that he's you know a tagging it what i would do is go back to Ballmer's comments on the i think that's really much about nature yeah i agree um yeah no go back to what he said about about the iphone but I mean did the thing the thing that he's going after it being wild uncontrolled and susceptible to malware like is that the biggest knock on android now that I mean is there still like the app quality is there like when people go after Android that's that's what they're going to go for now hinting at fragmentation and you know spreading fear about malware I personally I think the malware thing is total fud I've never actually know did we lose Dan I think we lost an yeah yeah wait up so Dan was complaining about a really bad connection in the studio uh-uh he might he might be back yeah I think that our new york studio is suffering from a lackluster internet connection at the moment so hopefully we can i see his head moving but he's no loss at face oh I'm shiny yeah I can hear you Chris can you guys hear me know yeah yeah I was making a sad face cuz I could hear you saying how I'm not there okay my back you're an guys are like it's like watching like a one frame per second oh maybe you should leave and come back I wonder if that would work we had a producer they could totally handle that um well so the nexus 4 yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna try and leave and come back all right ok dieter you and I can have a have a man-to-man conversation about phones well while we're waiting on Dan well do you want to talk about the fact that nobody seems to be able to get a Texas for the orders are still delayed and I didn't have a problem I I don't know what all yall are talking about I I got one just fine ya know they I am shocked at one of two things happen either LG legitimately could not produce phones fast enough or Google significantly underestimate underestimated demand I suspect it's the ladder um yeah just might take I mean maybe they believed you know the hype that it sucks LTE and they're like oh nobody want to buy this for 300 bucks if it doesn't have LTE no no actually it's a really good deal I think John Gruber made a point that was actually really good he said that you know since this is only 299 this is sort of like could be considered the ipod touch of android it's it's a top top of the line android phone android device you can get you don't even necessarily have to use it as a phone know that the galaxy player is obviously the ipod touch of the band red world Oh are we really going to talk about the galaxy player man I am I am trolling a little bit I admit dan you're back what did I come back into what did I come back into I come back in and I hear galaxy player talk yeah no I mean we're just complaining about the nexus for being unavailable and you know I'm trying to bring it back patrolling Chris about his lack of a smartphone but too much work dieter did you order one no not gonna do it let me be pretty really not not at this juncture so I don't know why you're breaking into a George HW Bush impression you know a little bit an impression of Dana Carvey the impression of george h this is like an impression twice removed yes yes it is that's ring and it's also like two decades doll yeah this is not this is not a current political reference theater whatever you guys are the worst um yeah no I'm not gonna do it I I want LTE and I as much as I want a nexus 4 and think it'd be really cool and it'd be nice to get up on Android 4.2 right away and have a pure stock Android experience you know you're suffering by not knowing a phone at all I am quote-unquote suffering by you know not getting a phone that's really interesting and compelling to me because it doesn't have a feature that I want I'm taking a principled stand yeah we both are the difference is that I can't receive text messages or calls no the difference is that I decided to take the stand and I stuck to it whereas you went out and bought every phone on the planet then return yeah well it's yeah i mean the the 920 I think of all the phones that I've owned in the past week um that I was closest I was the closest to keeping the 920 believe it or not um and there were just a couple things that were really killing me one is that so so Justin Rubio a valued member of our team uh now owns a windows phone and I was just observing today I mean I've known this for a while but I was it was really noticing today that like if if he participates in a gmail thread he a break the thread and B uses this really silly font in his email reply um and I like I don't know who at Microsoft is responsible for this debacle but it needs to stop right now so so that I mean that's an issue but but via the app gap is still very much a problem for windows phone hey I've complained about this and I think best two or three shows but I mean that that ultimately did in the 920 formulas the app situation I need I need a Starbucks app dan I know you're with me on that if Dan still alive he may know he's dead goodness uh starbucks up is like without that it's a non-starter like that's that's more important than battery life yeah yeah meet the starbucks app I'm trying here you need a you need I need over in in chicago i use uber all the time and the uber mobile web interface is a joke so you like a text message interface you could use it with your feature phone did this year yeah they did but the promise that at least the one that i was using mm goober calm you need to enter an address it doesn't have any location finding and half the time I'm like okay what is this building number where am I you know um so it's like not worth the trouble okay we need to move on from your phone text but we should keep talking about Windows Phone so we have reviewed the Lumia 820 which I guess how do you put this it was no great shakes yeah Tom did not love that phone yeah um yeah I think yeah 6.8 not that good um which is a bummer but I guess it's not really a huge surprise right I feel like like Nokia I mean I understand the need to create products that fit different arbitrary slots in carrier lineups but i think they 20 was an example where they did themselves a disservice because it wasn't enough differentiation between that in the 920 like if you look at HTC's 8 x vs 8's those are like pretty fairly different products that look different and they're very different sizes and I just don't really get that same feel comparing the 920 with the 820 and and I kind of feel and and also when they when they announce those phones the 820 was original was really marginalized it was just barely mentioned and the 920 got all the attention and like if you're gonna you know if they 20 is gonna have any relevance whatsoever you need to treat it like a valued member of your portfolio and they're not doing that right now I like the only thing I can think is that they created it because like Vodafone or somebody was like we must have this phone that like okay we'll just make a bunch of them for everybody yeah and I mean you're right it's it's it's phone then I the thing the thing I expect is I don't know what they're charging for it but like it's gonna be you know virtually free and very short order and it could make some sense there right because the nice thing about Windows Phone is there's always sort of a baseline experience right like there's not a significant Delta of performance from the low end to the top of the line in terms right a core OS and scrolling and other stuff like that right the other thing I guess this is the windows phone but Nokia's here maps is out for iOS I haven't had a chance to try this yet but it doesn't look like it is the utter and complete salvation from people who have been hating apples Maps that we may have been hoping for right and all signs are still pointing to google maps in the next few weeks heater so iOS users can keep their fingers crossed for that although I have to say although i'm not using an iphone 5 at the moment when i when i disposed to my iphone 5 I felt this might have been psychological but I felt like the maps we're getting marginally better than when I first took the iphone 5 out of the box on day one so maybe I'm crazy no Chris I think you're right oh my God he's back I'm back back and better than ever he what he looks like it he looks like a Photoshop mosaic but that's okay at least he's here i I've connected to our faster Wi-Fi network in the studio I wouldn't give you access to the real network before you had to thank for to ask um and the password for it is is rather amusing it's well don't say it I'm not gonna say yeah but Chris would appreciate it that's all I'll to say oh man now I really want to know the password is obviously ragequit all phones so so anyway I think that the long and short of it to close the loop on a 20 which we spend far too long talking about don't buy this phone there you go um we're telling people did not buy a lot of phones lately look by Nexus 4 if you don't need LTE and so let me let me I wanted to say this earlier before I like went into a bandwidth nightmare the reason that I'm buying a nexus 4 or trying to buy a nexus 4 is because it's unlocked and I can use it overseas and I've actually don't have any unlocked phones in my possession at the current moment so that's a really good point uh I guess I'll be using a galaxy nexus for my overseas stuff yeah that's 4.2 may I add yeah I had to unlock phones with me at Mobile World Congress last year and both of them got stolen so uh yeah don't check any electronics in your luggage which is like you know stupid check period we were there for like a week oh you can't can't carry on a week's worth of stuff come on I'll never forget I'll never forget this year at Mobile World Congress when dieter like pulled me aside and taught me how to pack a bag that I didn't have to bring a big rips is like I is a really like a humbling moment from gonna change your life no I like I've yet to be able to replicate like I still don't know you're using some black magic that many things to do a bag that small it doesn't make any sense okay I it makes no sense it's really simple you just fold and roll you just roll it up into a tight little ball I'm in here I'll show you right now on air you just take your clothing whatever it is and you fold it like you would if you were just you know gonna put it on your shelf if then the trick is the trick dieter I wait I have to say I'm sorry I have to interrupt you the most amazing thing just happened on my screen the the video frame rate is low enough so that like you're your there talking to me with the coat on and help son you should never go Don look it literally looks like magic it was amazing look like CGI and then you just you know you roll it up and then you've got this whole sweater in this tiny little package yeah but no but but you're using black magic because like you do that with like suits and like mount no no no nothing leap rest hmm Wow um no I mean I've had co-workers who have luggage lost on the way to Barcelona and you know i'm pretty sure mitcham Barcelona really sucks yeah I'm pretty sure that mine was stolen either in Barcelona or I had a layover for my flight back in Portugal so it might been stolen there but what's crazy is i had a camcorder and a digital camera in that bag as well and they didn't touch it but they took the two phones i had in there which were like garbage phones both did they take her clothes too because that would be creepy no they left my dirty drawers um all right let's move on before this gets really really weird um we've got a bunch of like sort of like random carrier news like so 18t managed Goodell teen hundred markets at a schedule that's great US cellular is offering yeah LTE plan but you know of course there's like it's time limited and who knows what other secret annotations are on it but I think the most interesting thing is was it who was it from t-mobile was there is our COO their chief operating officer basically admitted that they're going to die like what was it he said that their four major US carriers won't last that their quote likely be reduced to three in the longer term uh so that sucks I mean I guess it could be sprint that dies but I think I think this is tmobile trying to make it a plea to regulators that put a kibosh on its merger with AT&T that you know it's eventually going to have to do this again and it's going to have to go through the same process and I think it's already just starting its plea right now man yeah I guess I don't know Chris what do you think well what's weird to me is that you know t-mobile is just coming off this PR cycle where they're like celebrate you know they're patting themselves on the back to this metro pcs thing and they're they're you know they're they're claiming that between that and the verizon spectrum that they just acquired as a result of the spectrum code thing that they're like they're set they're looking strong and of course what people fail to to give t-mobile USA enough credit for is that they are a profitable division of Deutsche Telekom they're they're not losing money uh so you know I don't I don't know what these guys deals really are like I don't know if they're like legitimately hurting anymore or you know if they're just I don't know and you know of course sprint just tied up with Softbank yeah so it's i don't i don't know what he was driving at with that statement I don't know who he thinks is gonna merge with who or who's gonna die it's not entirely clear to me I think four is a good number I think four is I think 33 just basically means that's going to end up being too right like that's that I think I think we want for I I'm really comfortable with that I mean that's it I wish they all shared spectrum better so that there could you know be more competition amongst them but right but I mean the thing about the thing about t-mobile is like how long are they going to take to get their LTE network rolled out right right I mean 2013 sounds doable for them and I was actually just looking at their their HSPA coverage map last night and I was shocked to find that it has expanded significantly like in not totally populated areas since last time I looked I mean t-mobile you know not long ago even when they started rolling out 21 megabit or even for you to make a bit they you know they were still in like pockets very urban pockets around the country and everything else was edge and that isn't that appears to no longer be the case but my my classic test is always driving from Chicago to Detroit on i-94 which which you know goes through some pretty rural areas and and last year what maybe 18 months ago AT&T was edge for most of that drive and now their 4g the entire i can't believe i just had 4g their HSPA the entire way and can I eject I am the producer I could just kick you right out of the show he doesn't know the difference anymore he doesn't have a smartphone yeah and it's all really all the same to Chris actually I can't I can mute him just in the middle of him talking that would that would that would work um so yeah I think I think that t-mobile might be the same way now too I am I should test that go ahead I was going to say that in my experience t-mobile outside of metro areas is doesn't really compare to the other three carriers but that really depends on where you live so yeah it's terrible here where I live yeah it's terrible okay explain this story to me Google and Dish Network in talks to launch a wireless service so I can't wrap my head around what why dish has such a Jones to be in the wireless industry are they I mean I guess maybe they're assuming that satellites die and be overtaken by the internet and internet TV and so they need to act come up with a new business model and they've got a bunch of spectrum and blah blah blah but I you know I don't know what is going to happen with them and the idea that Google might you know hook up and try and launch something with them is intriguing it kind of reminds me of you know the old story that Apple was thinking about you know launching the iphone on its own network instead of you know just going with singular at the time yeah yeah yeah I don't think so I on the one hand I feel like dish may not fully appreciate uh the hell that it's diving into but I on the other hand on the other hand they have been locking horns with the FCC for over a year now trying to convert satellite spectrum to terrestrial use so that you know they have a taste for you know what they're going to have to go through and they don't seem to be backing down and obviously a partner like Google would really make that entire process go a lot smoother um I mean they also have like Arthur isn't the FCC looking into making sure that they're restricted in a certain way so it doesn't interfere with adjacent spectrum I mean it seems like what the this dish Chairman needs is to you know get taken out to lunch literally not metaphorically by the you know the guys at Ram LightSquared just so that he can receive an education just what's in store for him if he keeps moving forward the way he is i'm not i'm not sure the guys from LightSquared are gonna give a whole lot of useful advice as far as last I knew LightSquared is still clawing and it still convinced that it will launch its neck network but uh yeah yeah they're trying to exchange spectrum they're like yeah they're basically telling the FCC that that that they got you know it's like it's like they bought like it like a sweater with like a you know like a pulled yarn in it from from target and they're trying to return it hey for another sweater and it's like a spectrum doesn't work try a nicer sweater it's like the the book that George Costanza got took into the bathroom at the bookstore and then it got flagged never mind um dieter throw now these 20 year-old references like left and right what could I say I'm living in the 90 you're assuming that our viewers are aged dieter yeah they're really not leverage our demographics tell us or our demographic research tells us that our average viewer is nine years old now years old and with very opinionated about smartphones yeah we're about a year away from people that were that were born when I was in high school being able to drink um it's messed up not cool it's pretty much ceptable whatever okay so i wrote this article about we went facebook had this mobile developer day where they invited a whole bunch of developers of mobile apps to their campus and they let us show up and i wrote this article how every phone could become a facebook phone and i make a couple of related arguments in it we don't need to talk about it at length unless you guys want to but I basically want to throw it out there that like Facebook could seriously if they get their act together know more about you that Google does and be more important to the your phone and what happens on it then either Apple or Android or Samsung or whoever is you know making the phone itself because they they'll be plugged in so deeply to so much stuff that happens on it like as utility on the back end yeah why I think even without any developer infrastructure whatsoever facebook is already kind of in that position for many if not most of its users right I mean that the entire like the entire third party framework is just icing on the cake for them well they are making is that it's not icing on the cake it's also like it's sort of a defensive move because if the internet is as much about apps as it is about the web now Facebook needs to make sure that it's hooked into that just like it's hooked into the web and like it seemed like they're being pretty successful with it what surprised me well I guess it surprised me but like reading through the comments on the story nobody wants to live in a future where Facebook knows a lot about you add is plugged into your phone I I kind of feel like it's a little late to be making that complaint if you're if you're on Facebook and you're using facebook which you know a billion people are facebook already knows a lot about you and and regardless of how you set your privacy settings and and what you do and don't share the fact is Facebook knows a lot about you and I think it's it's for like average users or like your average Facebook user which i guess is average people these days um I would argue that Facebook probably knows more about you than Google does be just because you know people like us are plugged into the Google ecosystem like full stop we use google calendar we use google mail we use all over google search service a lot of us using google voice and things like that but for your average user that just as google searches and then their whole life is in facebook facebook probably knows more about them that yes and when you look at that perspective like Google+ starts to make a lot more sense like people like why is google leading into social who cares this is you know why not just you know leave it to facebook all of louts because like knowing demographic information about you knowing what you're interested in doing what you're going to be interested in potentially makes advertising way more lucrative and if you know Facebook can actually leverage that advantage the Google's in trouble and so I mean what can google do to counter that other than to try and you know have a social network that also collects that information the counter-argument though I mean I dan I I your point is taken about most users or many users not being as plugged into google as we are and many of our listeners far but I mean you know when i use google not i mean use google now for 10 minutes and tell me that we're not already living in the in the like effed up future like I mean like whenever I go to any city now it just knows where I want to be next when I watch Beckett but that's because you're telling Google all that information right but you're a dude so I I checked google now this morning and it's like oh hey look at that my package shipped from amazon but that's because google's reading your Gmail which you are giving to Google right and like Google knows that you're going to be 10 minutes late to your appointment because it's in your Google Calendar right so if that was in your Facebook calendar and all your messages were done through Facebook's awful messaging system ah Google wouldn't have any of that data right because it's all siloed over into Facebook right but the point is like people are giving it to Facebook to write like how do you participate in the internet today and like share stuff if you're not sharing it on Twitter or Facebook or whatever like I'm right up you know or even tumblers cook this doing this concept like I'm gonna lie I'm going to host my own blog and you know try and share stuff that way that's so 2002 man there's always my space there's that one I space which we take a comeback yeah come back yeah um I i I'm just like made of rough transitions today but I don't care because I'm gonna roughly transition have we talked about um the the Qi wireless stuff no and I won't cause like that last I feel like Chris rant is is burgeoning here yeah so I should temper this and I mentioned this in my report as well that people are not universally having trouble with the with the nexus for connecting to the nokia dt 900 which are probably the two like most like public facing qi compatible devices right now right because both the 920 in the and the exes before I've gotten a lot of play in the dt 900 is the charging plate that 18 she is giving away with the night 24 free but the the the gist of the story is that i had both these devices put the nexus 4 on the dt 900 the charging plate and it was doing this thing where it would like start charging and then stop charging then start charging and stopped charging like every second or two seconds which rendered it completely useless I mean for one thing it probably wasn't taking any charge at all or it was like you know is taking more energy to like you know charged and uncharged in charge and I'm charged that it was like actually discharging net over time but some people have had success and we spoke to the chairman of the wireless power consortium which is organization responsible for the Qi standard and and he says that the nexus for dt 900 have been validated work with one other and gadget in their review the nexus for tried dt 900 they didn't have any problems but that dt 900 i did use with two different Lumia 920 20s and work fine in fact dieter it's the it's the charging pad that's in your possession now all right right so so it's we know that the charging pad works but anyway that the concern is that you know Chi is about to go into like this fight against PMA which is the standard put forth by powermat and it was recently endorsed by both Google and Starbucks which is a big one that's a little soon to be no ando employed in starbucks was Google like we're backing were throwing some money or some some kind of backing behind this test thing by starbucks to put it in or is this like a full-on endorsement well I mean call it whatever you want the fact is that they are putting money and effort and their name into a standard that is not cheap yeah and and and you know which is I mean this classic Google move they love to uh you know get google but regardless wireless charging is a very new technology right and nobody I mean nobody as a house full of chia accessories house full of touchstones unfortunately yeah well I sad yes and dieter thank you which wait if I was a if i was in my home office i'd pull my touchstone off of my desk and hold it up to the camera as well and may I add dieter and many others have had much success hacking touchstones in the years since the heavy palm days to work with other devices but she is trying to become like this you know mobile standard where you'll be able to just drop any device on any surface and it won't just miraculously charge which is a very very good goal to have because you don't realize and dieter I know you'll back me up on this you don't realize how like awesome it is to just be able to drop a device anywhere and have a charge until you actually have it set up and then and then like your phone is just always charged which is awesome but you know you have these two standards both of which have the backing to potentially be the the ultimate winner and dieter I think that you said it best you gave me this great analogy which is that it's exactly like blu-ray versus HD DVD both of these standards have all this backing and but only one can win right there can be only one envia in the words of Highlander and well then also and really it's going to be the one that the porn industry adopts I really wanted to try you in the comments on that but I decided devices are recharging wirelessly okay so know that successfully gmail think I was gonna say is it's also like this thing because I mean I've talked to the power back guys like years ago back when it was them and you know palm with the touchstone and I'd be like what you guys think the touchstone and they were just rail about how it was technically inferior PMA is so much better and blah blah blah blah blah blah and I'm sure that if you were to have a conversation with them about chief or wireless charging they would tell you the same thing and I'm sure you talk to the chi people they would also like their do these technical to bathe but which standard is better but you know they both basically as far as i know are that different in a way that actually matters to consumers so what is really going to happen is we're just going to see these big companies form these alliances and then they're going to fight it out until one thing wins one thing just doesn't and i had kind of thought that she won right we saw it on nokia's and we saw it on the nexus 4 and like verizon's got all their stuff on it and i thought that was the end of it yeah so this this starbucks thing i don't know makes me crazy if if power PMA is better powermat is better than fine just win and so I you know will not you know so i can treat wireless charging the way that I treat Bluetooth now or Wi-Fi on a phone I just like zoom it's there the idea that I would be like does this phone a bluetooth I need to make sure I isn't safe right and yes you later my random bluetooth headset you don't you don't worry about those things anymore all right and I just wish that one of them would have mandated magnets in them because that was like where palm got it a hundred percent right the magnets held the thing on and it didn't slide off if the phone vibrated it didn't like suddenly like scoot to the side and be off of the the charging dock um so I kind of I mean that's a fail on both chi and PMA i guess that that neither the mandated magnets to hold the phone in place but yeah yeah no I I do agree I but yeah overall I mean the real problem the one thing where this is unlike hd-dvd vs blu-ray is that wireless charging is not a feature that any consumer like thinks that they need or like is is you know it's out nobody is going to say well I'm not going to buy this phone because it doesn't have wireless charging whereas you know everybody at least up until like right about now when everybody is going to to the cloud everybody needed some form of video player in their in their entertainment stack so uh so there is a very real possibility that this battle of attrition could ultimately result in nobody winning and like there will be no dominant standard and then you just end up having to buy you know when you buy your your phone from verizon or AT&T you know you'll just have to buy a bunch of like proprietary you know wireless charging devices go with it you know one for your car one for your house which I mean let's be honest is probably the way the carriers would like it anyway cuz that the accessory margins are like a hundred percent yeah i mean i think the deals like the starbucks deal are pretty big for the wireless charging because once people can see it out there and they can see what it does and if it's in places that they regularly go or if you can buy a car with it built in they're going to want their phone to work with that and you know if PMA is able to get more endorsements like that where it's in more places and you don't have to buy special accessories or and it's just there then I think it'll become more of a must-have feature than it is right now right oh and once you know Apple supports one of the standards then it would be must have feature yes I hate to say that and I say that about NFC too but I mean let that's really what it's going to come down to once it's in the iphone that it becomes table stakes hey do you guys remember when when Apple made a a bluetooth headset oh yes that didn't work out too well for him and their judges was already standard by then right like now yeah it was a standard but then they had that they had some giant speaker too right oh yeah they've got a good i buy the ipod hi-fi yeah that was just a speaker yeah that thing was the worst i will say that there was one really good thing to come out of that stupid apple bluetooth headset which is that several manufacturers including Motorola and I think jawbone hacked their way into the like that the battery level communication for that so like if you use your bluetooth headset with an iphone to this day it will still show the Bluetooth battery level in in the status bar which is kind of cool yeah I have a I think it's a jawbone bluetooth device in my car that's a bluetooth FM transmitter and I can see the battery status on my iphone which is like pretty novel and useful yeah um so there's a bunch of legal stuff that happened and I don't care about any of it maybe you guys are interested in targeting but like you know HTC is not paying six to eight dollars per phone apple with part of their settlement because HTC settle with Apple Samsung is hoping to like get an advantage in their case which is obvious of course Samsung is looking for every advantage that it could possibly get and you know iphone 5 and Android 4.1 jelly bean are getting caught up in this legal fight so you know same as usual everybody's you know suing everybody and it's great actually no that's a lie it so it's only it's only Apple and Samsung and a little bit of a blow and I bowling Google and well no longer appling she see she's out uh yeah that's that 11 less lawsuit that we have to write about and complain about and by the way of all the companies that needed to get out of that game HTC was probably at the top of that list like yeah HTC has enough to worry about right now the last thing they need is apple riding there behind 44 royalty payments so I want to say like I don't know if I can't remember if we even talked about this last week but neva I wrote a really great piece when the HTC settlement happened about what could possibly turn out from that and it'd be really really funny to see the next version of sense to be have like apples slide to unlock feature and the bounce scrolling features straight up identical yeah I mean that would be I it would make sense better I guess but yeah that would be my plane was there their solution for bounce scroll is terrible it's the worst like all those the elements start of separating and that weird like yeah I don't know it just accordion type of that yeah it's accordion but it's not even accordion because they're like separate elements are not connected to each other and it's just it looks terrible and I hope they get rid of it and what are we on now since four plus four plus or plus whatever is a DNA four plus HD so mmm oh that's deters what is that I don't even that's whatever on that note I'm ending this podcast if if you want to follow us on Twitter you should I got back on Christa's ads e power dan is at DC seaford with an e I we're all at verge on the verge if your list watching this live is going to be on tonight I believe they're broadcasting live am I crazy I believe in about a half an hour yeah so watch that and they're at least doing some behind-the-scenes stuff yeah we'll be back next week have a wonderful thanksgiving if you celebrate that sort of thing later guys bye