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hey welcome to the verge mobile show for the weak of descent oh this is episode 29 and if you're joining us and you're watching us live we apologize for our slight delay this week but we want to say that everything is working now and we're all here so i'm dan seifert I'm flats have 0 and i'm chris sigler and i am responsible for the delays by the way no no you're not just comcast says yeah yeah I actually would kind of like to relay the harrowing experience that I had the past half an hour so first my my main connection died my comcast cable modem at precisely the wrong moment so I switched over to a verizon LTE hotspot connection but the machine that I normally broadcast from is an imac with fried Wi-Fi hardware so i couldn't use hotspot mode so i switched over to a macbook air and then that connection died so then Brendan our producer tried to loop me in on a hangout on my Nexus 4 that didn't work very well it kind of worked not really you can't use bluetooth with it and I could barely hear the loud speaker so it kind of wouldn't have done any good and then I couldn't and then my comcast connection came back but I couldn't get to Google Hangouts because google com wasn't resolving on dns and it goes on and on bottom line is i'm i'm here i'm ready to uh ready to talk about phones but if i do suddenly die if i if the connection drops you probably can blame comcast just morning feeling this into a scenario that has developed probably all across Chicago and the American no well yes no what is it northeast no middle no chicago so midwest yeah yeah it soon enough man but anyway this is a scenario the reason for is because camp comcast changes logo and stuck a ccp cock in it which is a it's a travesty I mean let's not let's not mince words guys well I you know I gotta say with that logo the NBC Peacock is not the worst part of it the worst part of it is the fact that the letters start off rounded and and off sharp like not a taxi yeah look at it closely yeah notify look at the sea and the the top part of the sea has a rounded end and then you go all the way down to the bottom of the sea and it's sharp at the end and you know anything mentally I was thinking naturally going to the right yeah I mean I don't know how to put this in words well I don't speak well that makes you fully qualify for this podcast I'll try to find our post on it but actually I spotted the apparently there are channels like Comcast SportsNet this is how savvy IM on US cable channels which to actually have the NBC logo next to the comcast logo but again that's an entertainment channel where is now you have this entire massive network of Comcast engineers and people carrying an entertainment channels logo on them which some people think might be something that that lose the brand because look Chris just had this entire massive outage and you're just gonna associate the entire freakin network with her this is chris is gonna boycott watching NBC now because of his comcast outage I mean just to put things in perspective this would be glad if like if like BTW put the BBC logo right above it and called it there at their new logo this isn't happening that would pretty intense this is BBC logo is actually mostly a word mark rather than an image that would be a little weird um yeah I know this I dan I'm really upset that you brought this font situation to my attention I think our charter cleared it up it's like half sands half sereth at a part partially sarita don't know I I don't know if that no because there's there are no flourishes I don't think that's that's accurate right there it's entirely sans-serif but it's a as dan says his friend that is a top and then kind of like look at the day it kind of loses like fat as it goes down ah yeah this is a nightmare fascinating topic of discussion but let us like bring it back to move fine oh you want to talk about ah let us start with Windows Phone let's get this stuff out of the way first oh no I mean I'm sounding underwhelmed about it and I think it's fitting we got to put up our HC Windows Phone 8 s review today that was done by tom warren who long last managed to have enough time in his life to actually review a windows phone um and he wasn't that psyched about it disappointingly well I mean the 8's is a mid-range phone and there's like a couple of things that are definitely disappointing that I we encourage you to of course read the review but you know the display is wvga which we know is a quite a bit lower resolution than what you get on the 8x or on the 920 from Nokia uh and the camera is a bit of a disappointment apparently but you know I think the phone looks really great I think the design is cool and I'm kind of bummed that we're not getting it here in the States the lack of a front facing camera is really like it's just a really bizarre a mission and I know that it's not a big deal for most people I get that but like of all the things to just randomly leave out the the the the amount of you know bottom line cost that that feature must add to a phone I'm sure is like absolutely minimal so it's i don't i'm curious what decisions went into that call that's it's a little strange to me but is it is a very nice-looking phone I've been held it in in a couple months but from what I remember that it's a pretty cool little phone and I was expecting it was kind of hoping that it would end up being the replacement for the radar in the US so but it's not to be yeah I mean personally aside from the front facing camera problem or missing front facing camera I kind of like this the ADA is better than no key is equivalent in the 820 oh yeah and and Tom did to Tom gave it a better score than he gave the 820 so I you know I I think that regardless of which mid-range Windows Phone you choose you're making some pretty severe I compromises and I think Tom does a pretty good job of spelling that out in the review and and I think that if you're in the market for windows phone 8 device you're probably still bit you know unbalanced you're better off going with one of the higher resolution devices that I'm actually I have a an 8x for verizon right now and it's it's growing on me I'm not gonna lie it's growing on me a little bit that the power button is still one of the worst up in any modern smartphone i think but but that on its it's a decent device one thing Tom notes though is that the ATIS is extremely affordable as a pay-as-you-go device in the UK is that right flat it's like I think it's 200 it's the equivalent of two hundred eighty nine dollars or something like that which is pretty pretty I will be able to tell you that but then I'm too much of a snob to care about wvj phones so it's completely like my mind sees the price and just blanks it out I mean that that price would have been awesome six months ago but now assuming you can actually place an order for one and you can get a nexus 4 for 300 bucks with a 720p display so it's like all the nexus 4 totally screwed up that pay-as-you-go value quotient for me I mean just just to expand on my snow machine there is actually a rational reason for this and and also to spread out the hatred that emanates from me tonight it also applies to Android because today we've got the UK announcement for the HTC one sv right and I first thing is I'm reading for the press release I'm like okay is this more of an HTC One V with a bit of HTC One S sprinkled in or is it the other way around which is it what's the difference the other I looked at the images it's kind of a nice phone it has a super OCD to display and then I'm like whoa hang on a second this is like the 1s as LTE is still has a 4.3 inch display the side is ok it's not quite as sharp as the 1s it's a little bit softer this thing is interesting and I see it's also wvga and I just completely submarine the whole thing and now it is like apparently this was also I mean it's not apparently it's a fact that it was also announced Westralian the Southeast Asian region suffer like a month ago so it's not a brand new phone either but it's like I look at this a look at the 8's and I just don't see any inspiration for why we want to buy either one for how much and that is absolutely right with a nexus for being so affordable it's not entirely obtainable listen no that's the next book I did hedge that if you are able to buy one right unless you chris ziegler who's like six is house unless you're him and unless you have that stash is ok I take the point but still the pricing on the Nexus 4 right now makes a lot of these mid-range phones feel lower the mid-range even and the other thing is we need to like carefully consider what's going to happen at CES which just a month away right what's going to happen with mobile resolutions particularly on the Android side because all of these 1080p displays which are being built and stashed and stacked up right now I'm going to show up in new phones we're going to see more 1080p phones everybody's mid-range is going to become a 720p display we can see that if you can price a nexus 4 at that price for the 720p display nobody else should really have an excuse like I would love for more people to make smaller phones but higher res is definitely the future so wvga just isn't gonna cut and just like a horrible horrible time to buy anything with that we PGM yeah in that is it is that it's my biggest disappointment with the 8's that's for sure yeah um yeah I mean I I don't think it's apples to apples because the nexus 4 yet to take a few things into account one google is obviously juicing the bottom line somehow it's google so they meeting those price points was obviously very important to them and they did something they pulled some magic to make that happen because the numbers just don't really make sense considering the hardware that you're getting with that device but then also of course LG like Samsung is very very horizontal and so they can in source many many many of their components in in that device which is something that Nokia can't really do and and most manufacturers can't do other than Sanders I think you think of any good school no I mean horizontal they're very broad Samsung is in many many many different silos but I think the expiration is when you go from component manufacturing for assembly through distribution etc so true though I understand what what Chris is saying because Chris can be like LG can just call over to LG display and like source of display yeah pretty much even though to supposed to be different ok look they're both horizontal and vertical they're there to deplane LG is a plane in space and samsung is another plane in space and the line intersecting LG and Samsung is google whatever mind uh look always saying is that Nokia and you know we mentioned this before with regards to HTC they don't have the component buying power and the component design power that that somebody like Samsung or LG does LG you know for instance has been making absolutely wonderful displays for Apple for the iphone so going back to the iphone for the original rhett and display so I mean they've been you know this is something that they've been preparing yours for the display on the Nexus 4 which by the way is a really really beautiful display ok yeah it's very good I was actually I'm sorry guys I'm sorry I don't mean to harp on about it but like a few people like Josh of being disappointed at this place I think I mean I think it a little washed out it is a little washed out but it's it's a very gapless and I think I'm looking at it right now very very gapless I really think that like unless you forget side with like the one odd boy by this but I let that super gapless yes super gapless too oh that's perfect David do one just be like super gapless do we improve me now i need to stare at this place um I totally believe that Sony would create a super gapless to display except they didn't they'd have like a brand name for it they call it like hi bra or like they make up some like some vaguely like Greek sounding word for it and then they they branded hybrid and then they'd have a super hyper to and and that would just refer to the fact that it's like gapless um anyway dude it's a nice we ever do if we ever do like a quiz particularly on branding names we need to make sure we asked people what reality display and rabbit and the Bravia Engine actually mean and then we can take their answers and learn ourselves yeah asses on a digital postcode i'm amazed i mean i've read it so many times and I still don't know what the hell the Bravia Engine yes I know what white magic is when they say that I know what they're referring to there but I don't know what the Bravia Engine means or the other thing that's white magic is on a white pixel right yeah white magic is the white pixel thats makes it brighter and easy a see daylight yeah it would be would it be pretty cool as if they did a black magic and it was a black pixel I don't know how that would work but it would be people you just wanted to work in the black magic brand name that's about yeah okay yeah and just before Jennifer ramped up all this display discussion I just thought we should mention Nucky introduced lumia 620 which is a surprise thing is the most affordable windows phone yet at two forty nine dollars i believe is where they announced it it's very colorful but it also has a WVGA display yeah so what and again branding is clear black so it might be a good high quality so f VG display for ah this is a WVGA display at three point eight inches oh I can almost live with that because you're not going to get a 720p display its three point eight inches that's just not going to happen at least not a true that's true and it is cheap so so maybe when you when you you know grab it embrace it hold it and note that this has a front facing camera yeah highlight I don't know why you won I I'm just looking at this I don't know why you wouldn't want this over an 820 can somebody answer that question for me I I don't need that I would actually go for this the 820 is a larger display right if you're into that yeah I guess I mean this is a nicer looking oh this is what micros oh no that that that supports your argument uh yeah I don't know unless like this just really feels lousy I don't know yeah but again I mean it's you know I hate to keep going back to the nexus 4 but this is only 50 hours less than a nexus 4 I hate to keep going back to the nexus 4 but I really don't hate it yeah well I mean it's look it's it's eight gig the the 620 is eight gig that the nexus 4 8 gig is 299 this is 240 I mean this is just I don't know I don't really know where to go with that I mean course this is going back to my December theme if you're going to introduce a phone at this time of the year it's not gonna be the one that's going to be not your biggest seller and your biggest attraction right yeah but this will make a great in the US this would make a great prepaid device for for tmobile or four for any of the you know the cdma carriers or like even tracfone like a you know tracfone is going to have to stop ignoring smartphones at some point and when they feel that I mean something like this would make a great device for them or straight talk or any of those guys I mean point is that there is a market for a phone exactly like this in the US but but I'm sure that that is not where Nokia intends to roll this thing out well not also media time but maybe yeah maybe eventually another thing I'd like to point out is that this is still much much much more expensive than the cheapest Symbian devices that Nokia's made so you know in terms of in terms of Licensing in terms of the amount of horsepower that is required to run Windows Phone versus the horsepower those required to one run symbian there's still a gap there even though technology is advanced since no key was making a lot of symbian devices yeah I mean it should be noted that that this has a much better screen than virtually any symbian device a much better processor than virtually any symbian device um and and the camera is probably the only thing that's really on par with most average Symbian devices well devoted much better scream symbian device because the e7 had a really nice AMOLED display well it's a higher resolution at least ce7 was that funky NHD right yeah n HD which has nothing to do with HD whatsoever it's like like what it is that's why the editor because it's not HD yeah bingo but actually Chris brought up TT mobile in the US and I think we should you know jump through our topic list and get on that because I think they made some pretty big waves this week or was it this week in any case like anything who said that and properly discussed t-mobile's announcements shall we yeah no we definitely should I so t-mobile like kind of blew up the world last week when it finally announced that it would be offering Apple devices of some sort next year they didn't really go into specifics of which Apple devices they be carrying or how much it will cost or how they'll sell them but it's pretty safe to say that we'll probably see an iphone on tmobile next year and more than likely an ipad to go along with it but then after that t-mobile announced and made official some rumors that we had heard before but they made official that in 2013 the carrier is going for all value plans which means that it's essentially dropping subsidies on smartphone or on cell phones and selling them at full price from the plan options that it offers and you can finance the smartphones but it's it's not connected to your plan like it is with a standard subsidized model which is a pretty big deal and it's kind of a huge thing that would really will really kind of separate t-mobile from the other big carriers in the US yeah I really like that sorry started to talk over there but I'm a huge fan of that I don't know how it's going to work out for the company because particularly you know going off the UK experience and something we mentioned or I mentioned a podcast or two ago with the The Times newspaper bundling a nexus 7 tablet associating some sort of hardware some sort of material possession with a service seems to be a way to attract people to spend money because then it kind of feel like they getting something for their money so it's a sweetener for the deal so that's one reason why they like to do a substance the second reason is you subsidize your phone for the duration for the minimum duration of your contract right so if you're paying here in the UK 20 pounds per month let's say five pounds of that is for you for fifteen pounds of decks for your data but then people get lazy the contract expires they carry on paying the same 20 pounds of up even after you know the subsidy has already been paid off for that phone and that works in the carrier's favor so one of these little tricks work in the company's favor and not the consumers favor so from our point of view I love it like if I'm going to the US I would just you know go to tmobile say sell me a phone like I want to support you guys I like what you're doing it's good but sticking with the UK experience there was a retailer over here one of the bigger you know department stores we decided is going to just do away with sales do away with discounts and just be like this is how much our stuff costs right so if you guys want our best price this is it and we're not doing any sales now what happened with them is the sales just crashed so people just love sales and discounts and even when they you know BS jcpenney actually learned that the hard way this year when what's-his-name from Apple came over and took over JC Penney's retail operations they said no more sales and they were just gonna be like theses are everyday prices they're good prices we're not gonna have any more sales and then they kind of like retracted I'm sorry you're right i think i might be recording fat experience rather than the UK yeah yeah and now you can get some things on sale it's JC Penney so it will be interesting to see how this works out for t-mobile I think like you were saying but it's great for a consumer because right now if like I paid full price for my nexus 4 here and I take it to ATT I have to pay the same amount per month uh that I would pay if I had signed a contract and gotten a subsidy on the phone which is kind of insane because the contract is supposed to absorb that subsidy and so if I were going to which tmobile i'd be paying less per month because i bought the phone a full price so uh that that is something that's you know really great for the consumer but like you were saying it's gonna be hard to see or interesting to see if they will turn out to be profitable for tmobile Chris funny thoughts well I you know I i think that the entire industry in the US the entire Willis industry here is based on hand waving and and providing maximum spin to the consumer by the time they actually open the door and walking to the brick-and-mortar store and and it's it that is why there is so much difficulty in breaking out of the subsidy model because it's you know again compare you know from there from the consumers perspective they're comparing apples to apples when they look at t-mobile and they see that they're paying 299 for a galaxy s3 and they go to AT&T and then they're paying 189 or perhaps 99 on on sale or you know whatever it is so that you know and yes if you do the math you break it out and see that you're winning inland in the long run with a value with tmobile value fine I've been on it people value planned before and it's I mean it's it's night and day if you just run a few not but at the end of the day it for many people the question is what is my outlay when I walk into the store and that is going to continue to be a question for many people and timo you know it's weird because t-mobile has a reputation as a value carrier in the US and they're asking these v's value customers these customers who put a premium on value to take a leap of faith and pay more upfront in exchange for really getting the better value in the long run and you know this is a society that's addicted to I want it now and I want it cheaply so that is going to be a philosophy that they're going to have to fight so i think i think what t-mobile will have to do is make it's uh it's plan options that allow you to subsidize the phone or allow you to finance the phone over the course of two years very apparent so that when you walk in the door you see that 199 prices that ninety nine dollar price and then you're paying twenty bucks per month for the next twenty months or whatever until you've paid off the subsidy but what's cool about that is once your subsidies paid off that twenty dollar per month fee is gone and you are now paying the lower half so you paid less up front you paid it over the course of your 20 or 24 months and now you're paying less per month which doesn't happen now like when my contract ends with 80 and I paid technically paid off my subsidy my bill does not go down one penny uh which is totally an 18 tds favor and in my it's against my favor unless I take another subsidy immediately okay so yeah I think t-mobile will definitely have to make that a very loud obvious thing to consumers when they walk in the door yeah yeah agree and justin far in some additional thoughts for me I am so sorry to be letting the team down on the beard front guys keep on looking so lush today and I'm just I just look like the 17 year old just coming into maturity you call it wash you call lush i call it my beard trimmer bro can we can half ago ago and i haven't replaced it yet but i like i like your i like your angle better Vlad oh no no plan I wake up in time to trim my beard whatever dan just grew distance this morning yeah we know oh yeah no I've decided on the side I'm gonna grow a nice beard so expect you to be expected to be up to speed come see ESI man hopefully data keeps up the team tradition as well I don't know dieter when he wears his his uh wafers or whatever they are he has he has these new frame city that he's been wearing and it really freaks me out when he has those on oh speaking of dieter uh we we were not supposed to talk about it at length because because he wants to he wants to be here when we do it but he is using a nexus for right now and he has extensive thoughts on his experience so upon his return next week expect a long along I don't know if I called a tirade but along a speech position from him yeah I think we'll have a good disguise yes assuming assuming chris is still actually in possession of a nexus 4 by then and assuming my internet does not degrade further I'm hanging on by a thread here yeah so teaser teaser there for next week I think as if you ever had enough nexus 4 jabbering and blabbering today next week or less for Nexus or the week week before that or yeah yeah I I want to say I think I don't think we talked about how significant it might be for that t-mobile is actually going to be able to carry the iphone four years no t-mobile has attributed subscriber losses to the fact that it doesn't have the iphone and now that's going to be changing next year and that's kind of little and they also have it is not just subscriber losses but also the fact that they haven't had a spectrum synergy with anybody right like there are the only ones in the u.s. using AWS for 3g at least among the Nationals and and so that at least early on I think that was a major barrier for them and and finally they got to the point where they can do it I I think I you know this is another case would be fascinating to on the inside to be a fly on the wall during these and negotiations because I think that sprint in order to get that jump the tmobile did not get paid dearly and they will be paying dearly for many years to come and dan has his head to defend that decision in public on a number of occasions I don't think the tmobile needed to uh to stoop to quite the level that sprint it to get this device right and i agree i think that um one of the executives actually said that it would be making money off of the iphone with an ear so we definitely did not have to put out the huge huge deposit or payment that sprint had to do yeah and ranking money off the oven within a year is exactly what sprint hasn't done yeah right which is rough it is rough it's rough time to be a carrier on the USB speaking of sprint we're just going to segue right into our next story which is that this news kind of came out earlier this morning that sprint it might be talking to clearwire to buy out the rest of clearwire sprint currently owns um at this moment I think it's 51% so there are talks now from CNBC that's saying that it might be interested in buying the remaining forty nine percent of clearwire that it doesn't own and I'm not really sure why they do that see so this is like you know that male and female friend you have that like you know kind of pretend they're not dating but they are and like you know it's been going on for years and and sometimes they're dating other people but you know really you know that is somehow they're gonna end up together this is exactly that situation these companies have been flirting with each other since since before I was even writing about phones I think and they they need to just hook up they need to seal the deal they need to hook up they need to have beautiful babies together they you know sprint briefly sold out for a long time they had held I think it was 51-percent of clearwire sold off just enough to no longer be a majority shareholder which was a decision that I didn't understand at all and then southbank swoops in and I think they were like why did you guys do that so then they promptly they probably bought back a majority holding and now they just want to bring it entirely in-house makes sense to me clearwire has a ton of spectrum even though it's it's largely considered to not be super valuable but it does you know it's a huge block and Sprint is like all carriers could use as much spectrum as it can possibly get its hands on so I with this this deal would not surprise me at all and frankly I've thought of these two companies it's kind of being one of the same for five-plus years so yeah I mean it has been exactly like you described a kind of a romantic relationship between them and you know clearwire must have done something wrong that offended sprint sprint backed off and and now you know spread iron came in would smack him upside the head and said you know you really should be getting getting along with clearwire well I think what what clearwire did that offended sprint was it didn't deliver you know I mean there was at that period last year when they were first discussing network vision and they were in talks with light squared and you know sprint had set a number of goals for clearwire to meet in order to win a td-lte contract and so there was that whole there was a and and there was some concern on sprint send about the amount of debt that clear where I was carrying and sprint kind of didn't want to be involved with that and I don't blame them because I their own financial troubles so they really didn't want to mix finances yet they were just not at that point in the relationship and that's right that's right they didn't want to combine bank accounts and I'm playing them I wonder if they're going to sign a prenup that's that's the real question uh so yeah uh so you know it I think like you said Chris it's probably very likely that this will happen but it hasn't happened yet still a rumor what is what is the impact going to be on you know the guys to buy the phones and use two phones I don't think it'll have much impact because there's already an agreement in place for Clearwire's upcoming LTE network to augment capacity in the markets that that sprint is rolling out LTE in like for instance like you know it's not good for for covering a wide area because it's such a high frequency but they can they can deploy like spot coverage in places like Times Square where they need to really blanket it and beef up the via the the capacity so that was the intention and I think that that's still the intention but presumably there's some financial advantage or you know but investor advantage to having all that all those licenses in house owned by sprint instead of having an arrangement with clearwire to farm it out I mean it you know hey I think this is more a legal and financial maneuver than it is a technical or product one I don't think that this will really change the the short to mid-term strategy it up at all actually okay and I have one more question about us carries this was kind of a big news story and I'm struggling to understand why some of you guys can lie to me the 911 SMS texting service in 2014 why does that matter was a significant to you guys well I i can't speak for Dan but i know that i prefer to text people instead of calling them and 911 is no different like I you know I don't want to like go through the pleasantries of hello how are you doing like you know what's up like I just want to like text and be like yo you know I broke my leg okay yeah it's just more efficient right like yeah I think it's just the convenience factor for people that want to use it it'll be there and right you know your grandma will still dial 911 and I don't know I don't know how how like teletype services work for 911 but I there might be an impact for like deaf and hard of hearing to I don't know there's Larry might be that aspect I I could just envision you using something like cereal google now put your input by voice text message and then say send to 911 III would test it but I've already but dialed 911 like 20 times this year I don't want on my one x so don't you do that a ton at ctia this year yes it kept like to this day I don't know what was happening for this one x I kept pulling it out of my pocket and I was connected to 911 I just kept hanging up like instead of talking to the operator which is probably not the right thing to do and I assume that at any minute a cop car was just gonna roll up on me and like all me off to jail for at least 90 one because it got pretty ridiculous toward the end of the week I'm going to assume the phone is like calling for a rescue because you didn't love it enough yeah that's entirely possible I was yeah it's probably like making fun of it and it felt uncomfortable um yeah I don't know I to the sky don't know but it what I ended up doing was I I kept the phone in my pocket with the screen facing me and I i turned it around so the screen was facing out and that seemed to stop it so i don't know whatever that's a good consumer usage tip and also a great segue i have a great segue because uh i think is DITA who brought up the 1x plus review he did for AT&T but before we get to that I'm gonna segue in the midst of the segway and just say that today the 11th of was soaked in December is when my one x here in the UK got android 4.1 a level of December so they claim that these rollouts of the software updates are staggered but they're like staggered drunk honestly it's has the ATT or the US version of the wallets gotten into it 4.1 yet I don't think it has I don't think it has but you know this is a thinner frustrates me right because guys like HTC would just say we're starting to roll out the next version of android right and they say that will do that in October and then two dozen people somewhere across the globe get it in October you know Tabitha and then you know a few more people get in November and then the leg is like myself get in December and then you know the first of every month comes around and people you know right outcomes with headlines like two years after its release android too I'm free is still more than half of all android phones well of course it is right because if you're gonna do rollout do it properly if you say I'm rolling out October I better finish in October and as if you're not frustrated new with one x+ launch actually is a launcher October and the weather HTC phrase it sounded exactly like a whole bunch of people going to get the android 4.1 update in november for the older devices and how much people going to get in december but a GC really really wanted to push the narrative of this role that will begin in october and i think it might have done but it'll say probably to like just a few people and it frustrates me you know because you make these announcements they're technically true and accurate that you're rolling out the update but it isn't getting to everybody and at least people frustrated um and i haven't actually played with the phone so I don't even know what the benefit of and your focus on it yet but google now is in there somewhere yeah you'll probably have to dig for it but yeah yeah it's actually kind of weird because after the update happened it said this is a place to update for google search which i think is the thing that turns it into google now yes yes it is yeah but i can wrap up this segue and say that the one x+ on ATT comes with 4.1 pretty loaded as i have five min a segue and answer n sense for Plus 4.1 with sense for plus another box which is cool aside from being a generation behind now um and so I mean I wish dieter was here to speak more about this just because he's the one who spent a good amount of time with the one x+ but uh based on his conclusions despite the fact that it's got a slightly faster processor and a slightly bigger battery um it's not a huge huge difference from the original 1x that 18d has been selling for most of this year the battery didn't last a super long time as far as much longer than the 1x and they didn't feel that much faster with the faster processor so I have a theory about the one x+ and and I apologize if I've already offered this theory in fact now that I think about i'm pretty sure that i have offered it I'm offered again for new viewers I think that you know in in the US state of the the one x+ is only available in black I think that's probably true in Europe too right Vlad no it's the other way around in Europe the one x+ is only available to map black whereas on AT&T i think is available in white though but no no that the 1x the one axis is white the one x+ is black oh yeah I was just talking about the one x+ I'm sorry ok yeah so so my theory is that you know I complained about this in the 1x review and I I saw a lot of complaints about unlike XDA devs and some other places that on the 1x the the the case had a tendency to get really dirty really fast and and I think that's because it's matt white and that's why other manufacturers specifically nokia when they do a white device they do a glossy because it doesn't it doesn't capture the dirt like am at a matte finish does and i think that HTC learned that lesson on the One X so I think that they specifically opted not to do a white version of the one x+ because of that problem and they didn't want to like bother to go through the retooling of doing like a glossy shelf or do they just decide that that there wasn't worth their time and that's kind of a shame just because I thought that the the the 1x look really nice and white when it was clean it just got dirty really fast yeah it's definitely more striking when you're looking at it then then the black version which is just kind of every day all black you know the the circle around the camera on the back is also black it's just another black slab phone right well of course you say retooling but actually at their then I from using the word correctly i'm just going to use something journey i said and pretend I know what talking about the shampoos on the edges of the 1x i'm sure i'm using it incorrectly but yeah the edges and the size of the one is actually glossy the white one oh yeah you're right there yeah just have the extra little bit of gas so the tools are there to make glass surface yeah Lincoln age is there for the sides but I just want to raise one more point and I don't know why I'm harshing on htc so much today but the branding with the one series has just gone just down the toilet I'm sorry it's it's a nightmare things like the one sv as a product maybe it has a reason maybe it has a place to exist but the name is garbage because it tells me nothing what is the 1s and what is the one sv how do i distinguish how do i differentiate between them what is the one XL versus the one x+ how do you is someone who ya got it right exactly one of the x which just launched on eighteen t the other day i literally don't know what that is it is well i mean you really don't need to bother yourself with it but like for a consumer that's looking at the One X and the 1dx the one DX is a significantly lower end model but you can't tell it from the name and exactly exactly I mean this is first of all this is a problem with dslrs and cameras but the guys who sell those things get away with it for the most part because it costs so freaky much that people do to research anyway right and they're not currently available usually yeah but but but it's also like you know the d90 and these have a thousand how could you ever make the connection between those two even though they're so close connected and I mean a great example for this is electric toothbrushes it's a spectacular example because go in you take a look is like ah yeah one is a 500 another one is a 600 and then you go to 1000 and 3000 and nothing of matches up nothing it makes sense and you just have to like read random weird bro specs and as the point HTC isn't selling electric toothbrushes it isn't selling niche product is trying to sell like devices which us you know just the accessibility you know so it's I I think that HTC wanted what Samsung has with the galaxy brand because Samsung literally puts galaxy on every single smartphone it makes these days I did which I don't think is a great thing because then you have things like the Galaxy S Blaze 4G which is not as high end as a galaxy s2 dan dan you're forgetting you're figuring the achieve oh the team okay so so I say galaxy is on the Android smartphone so so all of samsung's android smartphone line has galaxy in its name and I think HTC wanted that with the 1-series but when they pitch the 1 series when it was first announced it made it feel like it was a premium line and and yeah just going to be on every single phone that the may affect the manufacturer yeah I think the biggest Inc shin is Samsung in terms of advertising and promotion makes the galaxy s3 so clearly the flagship and differentiates it so clearly from all the other garbage galaxy s whatever's the fact that it promotes it kind of separates it I mean aside from note and note to ads I don't know if I've ever seen an ad for another galaxy phone that wasn't a galaxy s2 or galaxy s3 exactly and and look the other thing is HTC I think HTC's biggest mistake was to make the 1s so desirable and then put a phone above it his range you know and then you're like which one is the flagship again yeah because the 1x yes is the flagship it so the specs and all that stuff but the 1s is actually the more attractive phone for a lot of people and like you say that it felt like the 1 series which is going to be premium premiere all right so maybe if that was the case just keep the 1x in the 1s and don't add anything to it yeah you have to differentiate you have to stick with like to maybe free phones at most that people are going to want to know about me but we don't have intentions pants that can cover that many devices you got to give it a couple generations to establish whether they do something similar to what Samsung is doing though because they might very well have a 1 X 2 0 1 x 31 x for that will just you know carry them forward on the flagship line and then whatever they do below that is just kind of meaningless nonsense which is what we have with Samsung but look less of trouble even if you go into the store with 1 X 2 right yeah and and then you see next year wax and a wax plus how do you know that the 1x2 is like the really brand-new awesome thing the other one sounds superlative as well it's true it's a good point well the other thing that uh that HTC kind of failed with as well was uh Samsung's got in its galaxy line on every carrier with the name galaxy in it whereas at least here in the US HTC has not been able to do that with the one series they've got a variant on sprint that has its own name and a variance on verizon they have their own names and then 18 he's got the 1x and t-mobile's got that one s 18 he's got the 1x plus and this other one DX so it doesn't feel like a cohesive thing at all when you look at the grand spectrum of of offerings a GC has right and as far as phones go when I remember when the evo 4g LTE came out like like I like that one better than I liked the 1x which then what X was supposed to be the flagship um you know irregardless of Sprint's limited LTE network you know the hardware was nicer on that the evo and it just was I don't know better phone in my opinion but and as the other thing that HTC is also sabotaging itself with the droid DNA okay fine you sewed the droid DNA branning to verizon you hit you had to do that I get it ac's income and profits have been kind of on a downstream or downward trend for a while now so you saw you talk to verizon a lot of people do it is forgivable it's not that much of a sin but then it's called the Jade butterfly in Japan and school is going to be called just the butterfly in Europe which meshes with the 1-series not at all and that's that's the end that's also the droid DNA for verizon essentially yes yeah this is loud message to max yeah yeah I mean that's a that's uh I think that HTC this goes back something we've been saying for a solid year now which is the HTC does not have the the same level of power in the market that Samsung does and that's I mean it's a huge problem and you just wish I mean you want so badly for HTC to just you know stand up to the carriers and say no screw it you can't have the droid DNA and then just like you know slap it off the table and then storms from out I wish that's how that meaning went between HTC and verizon but realistically HTC needs as much business as it can possibly get yeah so they they end up you know bending over and doing all sorts of ridiculous things but I mean you still I mean yep their intentions were very pure when they originally introduced the one axon and 1's and it's kind of gone downhill from there I I still think that the default lies on them for the XL and next plus yes because that's a global branding but some of these other products specifically the droid DNA and the evo 4g LTE those are entirely uh HTC's fault and I'm going for another segue smash out of the ballpark by asking who else do you think really needs to get some carrier by and with new devices what do you mean I'm segwaying Chris check the typically you're not taking the button debate yeah I I feel we know that a rim once it finally does uh do E's have to talk about blackberry and all right why am I know you get you guys are terrible I'm sorry I'm the cynic I've been hating this whole podcast and now I'm the most optimistic guy I'm the most excited to see this teaser rooms first okay oh let me clarify this a teaser is very generous of what this is because I can't even like call it a teaser it's a quarter of a render the back of a device that may be the first blackberry 10 smartphone other work dad I'm sorry I know you American but that is exactly how you tease I know you'd want another column with trailers wedding is I drinking like I feel like a teasers just giving it too much credit it's like it on such a tease if I yeah okay fine vlad savov teasing expert if you if you look at his business card that's actually what it says mom yeah I mean look I I don't care about blackberry until they give until they give me a reason to care about them and they have not yet done that and I will reevaluate when I see these frickin phones dead okay that's all it is dm7 is out now out of beta later and you can do voice Wi-Fi calling BBM voice come on 20 your BBM party I mean I i can't i can't tell if you're trolling me or if you're seriously trying to like get me excited about this product is um like there was such a time with BBM was like the messaging platform and and i'm just sad for that like I was never on it I was never one of the attics but nowadays the only people who were still on it I kind of embarrassed about the fact that still on it just yes that well I remember when I carried a blackberry full time I ended up using text messages more than BBM because I think at that time it was still before everybody had BlackBerry's night nobody to BBM with anyways and I will never forgive rim for using hacks codes as the primary means of like communicating like you wanted to add a body to BBM you had to give him like this insane like eight digit hex number like what why I mean until until they did the thing with the bar codes which was kind of smart it was like you know pre NFC pairing types of things or yeah but how about a word how about how about a username like right yes no I oh man sorry look I had my last blackberry was a curve 8900 which I wanted to love it was at each letter in one of mine too is it is a t-mobile branded curve 8900 night hey guys yeah that's getting up is one of the last trackball BlackBerry's I think but it I'm nobody's like you you're not missing out much from CH 11 see from the very late to be pretty sad of a true sad but true yeah cuz the curve 8900 was a it has high res display it was hvga or something wasn't it yeah it was 480 x 320 I think so boom yeah i mean that's that's pretty serious display uh gpio that i will say i think i've said this many times before and I know Nia I will agree with me on this as well that it was definitely the best looking blackberry that rim has ever produced even better looking than the 9900 uh and and I'll continue to say that I'm sure after the the blackberry 10 devices come out because it was just it was at the time it was cool looking the keyboard was great had a nice screen um that was you know very competitive at the time and it actually had Wi-Fi which was rare for blackberry devices at the time even though it was only edge and yet no 3g um you know I'd like the 8900 I don't know man the the bold with the the denim that cover I mean putting up some some serious competition for the you 900 there but i i i agree with you what what ultimately led me to return it to tmobile was the email experience which i don't think as highly ironic yes it is but you know i think that they were so hell-bent for so many years going back to the 90s under on delivering a good exchange mail experience that they you know they did that the cost of like really paying any attention to any other mail services that came along and you know of course in my case it was gmail and they didn't do to a sink and i like to this day I'm not sure they do it well yeah they they introduced a 22 way sink eventually but it works awful the last the last time I used it I was reviewing the blackberry 7 phones when they hit the market yeah it was it was like why am I constantly having to check mark this email read twice either I'm marking it read online it's not marked read on the phone or vice versa it's driving me insane now dan I'm going to put you on the spot a little bit d and you have to be honest do you still have a playbook uh yes I do and why is that oh come on is that it's just going to dig it up from the top of I don't know where it is at the moment but I do have a playbook and you know why because I want to know what it'll be like with blackberry 10 I was gonna be really impressed if it was like right as its up of your gadget shelf you know I was using it as an alarm clock for a long time Oh is speaking of that I have to have to give a little shout out to a producer Brendan because i was looking at because part of our hangout is we get to look at him and his handsome handsome face but i would just switch in between tabs at at one point he wasn't there and I saw the background and it looked like a coat hanger on the wall but it wasn't actually a coat hanger it was just headphones it's just surreal man like to do the heads of wall hanger where he's just stacked up headphones like I actually want to go and visit his place and try all those that but see I regret I'm jealous i only have had my beats sorry not gonna try to hide it anymore i wish i could put a troll face on you instead of just on me ah yeah no I I look I'm not going to get into a beats discussion but let's just say they sound great when they're plugged into my bose airwave or whatever that six-hundred-dollar FM radio is called you know talking about right it's the one to us it's like it's like an alarm clock with like you know one the benz air right yeah yeah yeah yeah I've seen that I'm TVC like the 20-minute explanation of well I remember the infomercials they had for that thing we're like so long and these people were like this is the most remarkable thing ever yeah and look it is a candle right and if you use an almost peak the candle stays on because it's so strong enough but you bend the air right and and this is perfect because it matches the advent of movie which stinks rights is perfect and year-round the code and the end the thing still has not only does it still have a CD slot but it's available with a 3 CD changer in the year 2012 guys my first car a Chrysler LeBaron a rusted-out Chrysler LeBaron I was very excited about installing a six-cd changer in it this was nineteen ninety something and here we are in the year 2012 and bows is offering three CD changers for an FM radio for six hundred dollars so i just want to point out that i found my blackberry playbook yeah if you guys want to hang out for 20 minutes of the boot oh that's nice that's a nice kindle fire din yeah dude has a nice last generation kindle fire kudos but I proof nice there is a question here though which I'm sure many observant listeners will be asking why the heck are you guys wearing over the head headphones with just a podcast okay I want to clear that up because actually I really like these headphones and they sound great but I was tearing my office apart today trying to find any our monitors that I own uh and i cannot find out to save my life so I'm using my over ear headphones again do you just have one pair of in ear monitors or is there a particular set that you like to podcast with there's a particular set that I like because because they dig the wire goes behind my head and they sound really great and like I guess I could use ear pods if I really wanted to punish myself but ya dumb be do that to yourself yeah they hurt well I'm just a huge fan of beats products no I look at these are actually these are growing on me when I first put these on these are beats mixers and when I first put them on I thought they were the worst things on the planet because they're like the cups are just small enough so they rest their you know their honor instead of over the air that's us psupero supra-aural is that the technical term for desk for you audio file nerds at which wich mine are as well there there's they're called supra-aural they just sit on top of your ear yeah but they probably don't want to they probably don't make your ears want to fall off is my guess but these do and they've I've grown on them over the years over the months however long it's been since since I got these and I no longer despised them I merely dislike them there's an improvement wow that is like a 45-degree downward angle thumbs down it's like it's not complete thumbs down just kind of creeping up right that's exactly right but I'm not topic I mean I'm just going to wrap up the suffolk by name dropping my favorite set of headphones which a lot of our producer guys also use which is the sony MDR v6 and MDR 7506 and the v6 is actually as old as me because apparently it was first introduced in suffolk in the mid 80s and just hasn't been changed and then the MDR 7506 was introduced in the 90s and again hasn't been changed it's just that tank like river of a pair of MDR v700 here which are completely unrelated what the number is close and dr as mud poise grace this is exactly what is getting at it's like you know with the HTC naming schemes like the v6 7506 is one series visa hundred all of that all of this modern Sony stuff is garbage to be honest with you for our cell phones go I mean no please PLEASE glad but relative to the 80s and 90s stuff it is garbage because like Sony showed itself in the foot by just making stuff that didn't break and lost it for decades ya know I I yeah a tease sony gear is like primo um in fact I wish I still had my mini disc players circa 90 what 93 94 the HUD about 94 95 a thing yeah um yeah it was the bomb and I miss it but those days are gone never to return poor mini days i will not her i will never own spinning media again if I can avoid it of any kind I agree that's a very notable go and I think it's very achievable one nowadays as well yeah I mix but next year I'm gonna buy a pond oh I just want to point that out i would i would like you to fall i'm not i'm not doubting you because i'm sure you will but i would like to see it when you do so let's try things up by talking about a few apps and if you have related situations as skirmishes yeah it seems like the pet i don't mean to cut you off lad but i just want to get this in there that it seemed like the past week has been like all about pictures and filters no by all means this finished ella census carrion so yeah it was like you know we had last week Snapseed finally google finally released snapseed for android it bought Snapseed earlier this year Snapseed was a pretty popular app for iOS that let you do a lot of tweaks and adjustments to your photos as well as add filters and things like that and it's finally available on android it's really great it runs really great on android and it feels just like the iOS version which is a good thing so so that was released then and let's make mention the end of the iOS version used to be five dollars you got chopped down to free yessir then is very generous with that yeah as far as the users perspective is this is an absolute net positive it's awesome right and then soso snapseed is kind of like a little bit more advanced than your typical instagram it choirs a little bit more work on your end but you can get great results but then yesterday Instagram released a new version of its app that added a new filter totally redesigned the iOS camera and added some integration with foursquare which is really cool and then you know out of nowhere well not really had network they had been rumored but then Twitter's like oh we're going to have apps our apps are going to have mole of photo filters so here's our absolute photo filters to compete directly pretty much directly with Instagram so there are so many ways to make your photos look like crap now it's amazing absolutely and I will say this that I've been using the nexus for a lot and I really hate the camera and none of these apps make the camera good so I'm just wondering about twitter is it just the official twitter app that now should have photo filters in it right yeah it's your official app for android and iOS when you upload a photo you now have the ability to add a filter to it i'm guessing the update hasn't wrote add to my phone today the update actually just hit this afternoon so check no it was for iOS was delayed about a day for whatever reason and by the way I should mention i'm gonna i'm just going to plug a report that just went live on our site a little site called the verse calm recently written by the amazing ellis hamburger he penned an editorial on why a twitter should not be focusing on these filters and i wholeheartedly agree so even if you haven't read that report yet please do so is this making your head explodes because i know you're such a huge fan of filters in instagram uh my my head exploded regarding filters like 18 months ago there's nothing left to explode it's just my my head is just an open you know an exploded you know pile of like meet at this point i yeah i think that that battle is lost when the Instagram certainly isn't going anywhere twitter has a few users and i think are going to do a very respectable job of continuing to push the retro photo agenda for years to come which makes me very very sad but what can you do I'm not I'm going to continue if I the good fight I'm going to upload unretouched photos I'm a crop under certain circumstances as needed but I will not check out to protect the innocent you might die crop right but I will not you have my word I will not upload a retro-styled photo to twitter if you follow me on twitter which you should please do cuz chris Beckham's woulda your heights as is finished I never I never left twitter i just i did there was a there's a long time between two tweets that's all there's an extended break between two tweets that's all right but yeah I mean I think what we need to discuss here is uh but I mean is the thing that everybody's discussing which is Twitter's protectionism basically because Twitter first of all removed Instagram previews so wait no no yoake that was Instagram that removed their functionality oh yeah yeah instagram turn the Instagram with supporting Twitter's cards functionality which allowed yeah on the native Twitter website and apps to see the preview of the image Instagram went ahead and turned that off ah interesting so maybe maybe Instagram did that because it got wind of the fact that Twitter was going to do some photos maybe it was like a pre-emptive move maybe I think I think Instagram was doing the you were you were saying the twitter is being protectionists I think Instagram was one being protectionist right right i mean when i was a driver's instagram my perception was twitter was you know making the viewing of instagram in which is tougher by making it yeah not pretty in the timeline you have to click on the link in order to look at an Instagram image and then coming in with its own more convenient for the filtering effort but if his around food is all support then yeah I guess I guess nobody's particularly clean this one there's no more thanks for the users because uh you know it was a nice thing that you could easily see without having to you know jump out of your timeline or dream too yeah but ever you get the angle from Instagram perspective why do I do that because you have to click the link and now that instagram has a web viewer that it didn't always have you can like and comment right from there and it drives the likes and comments pageants that's my answer I think that's it that's a fair guess and also there's obviously the fact that under the Facebook umbrella I think they have a very different set of agendas than they did as an independent company so there's that consideration as well you guys think I'll ever get instagram my playbook yeah I think you have a better chance of running iOS on that playbook but it's just my take actually I think somebody managed to hack iOS apps to run the playbook a few months ago yeah what I had a thing but you're making a hurry up no I don't think he is gonna say a few months ago I mean like yeah for two ago it's like when people were actually fascinated by the PlayBook Sofia way I did not mean to turn on that that smiley face sorry if anyone caught that um yeah I mean I I don't know anyone would do that I don't know why why anyone would spend a minute of their time porting iOS apps to play book but you know yeah this happened to june so flood was definitely right okay well kudos to the three playbook owners and their newfound catalogue of iOS apps i suppose stay strong guys black boots hence coming I'm devices but it's coming and then UVO old school and you have street cred and stuff just an update uh word where to the splash screen now oh nice progress yeah you're not serious then you know you haven't been booting that thing for like seven minutes heavy I I think the battery might have been at its minimum and I had to plug it in and then it finally started bleeding but it's pretty much amazing so let's just draw a quick conclusion of this google takes over a photo app in company and it makes it university better by introducing it to android and cutting the price to free on iOS facebook does the same thing and makes our lives more difficult to the mine is that the balance of what's happening here that's a very poignant observation glad i like it should write that down so Google good Facebook evil oh I don't know about that that might be drawing broad strokes but what do I know I mean I'm happy with making that statement you can quote me on that if you want to put it on like a product book somewhere the flats ever so kook was good at Facebook is evil I'm five over that you can use it um but in the battle of good versus evil Apple and Microsoft have been jabbing and fighting at each other again apparently reportedly and you know people can choose which one you think is good of a shot i think is evil but this relates to the iOS skydrive app which is being held back and the issue also seems to relate to to to the office for iOS application which remember for so freaking long and i don't know who cares battle that much anymore oh i don't know i think it went when it does get released it'll be huge yeah i think it's a very big office in their ipad and that's it has a very big deal and it's kind of like the trump card that Microsoft is holding with the surface now is that it offers a quote real office experience right yeah I mean like I think about it and I'm like there are ways for me to make charts and there are ways for me to make documents outside of office I haven't used office I'm this up fool yeah it's me free use yeah no I i I'm I'm with you Vlad but you're not the with with all due respect you're not the target demographic for this for this product I think that there are millions and millions of business people who rely on office to get their job done on a daily basis and relying pretty specific features of it and want to use iOS and want to use iPads and want to better integrate those devices into their lives and the lack of a true office experience is holding that back and and to be fair you know at this point there are a number of third-party office replacements for iOS that I think do a pretty respectable job but there's no replacement for the real thing so I think that they are going to sell licenses of Office for iPad in spades when it comes out if it comes out when it comes out ever we'll see right and I mean that's the wrangling i think it's it's always about money with these things anyway but it's like they can't sort out their agreement for office for iOS and this thing thats also holding back SkyDrive for iOS which just got rolled out for the xbox Xbox Live and xbox 360 so it kind of puts a little bit of a kink in Microsoft's plans to make SkyDrive a universal classics you know you were successful one right I know you are there any third party SkyDrive clients for iOS or no third party well there's the SkyDrive app itself for iOS not a dozen is this dude no SkyDrive for iOS am I crazy am i high an actual app but nothing is this um yeah no definitely does the problem is that it hasn't so oh so it hasn't been updated and Microsoft wants to update it and Apple is holding the update back because of the subscription argument that they're happening all right yeah the subscription aspect yep yeah I was just insulting my iPad Mini product plug there um to check with respect that that check in five to seven business days um yeah I I like skydrive but I like it best on windows phone and when I'm not using a Windows Phone I I don't care as much about it but yeah which-which i should mention is also my excuse for just completely not knowing the fact that it exists in iOS right what what what service to use why do you drop box to use these Google Drive would you use yeah ninety-nine percent drop box like I made the switch to google drive once and that thing was trying to sync up every single file in it every time I turned it on I mean I had issues with it you know I was going hose is around the time the google drivers introduced it I was like you know skirt drop drop box let's go with Google Drive SVO Google things I think with with drop boxes if you're like a fan of phones and you're buying sell or you know switching phones a lot you know HTC offers a deal on money up its phones that give you 25 or 50 gigabytes free samsung does the same thing at a lot of its phone so it's like I've had in my possession enough HTC and Samsung phones where it's like I don't think I'll ever leave dropbox just cuz i have so much storage they're available to me yeah yeah i'm gonna use that as a segue and say that december 13th samsung galaxy camera none of phone no particular camera but it's coming to verizon and that has the extra forty eight gigabytes of dropbox storage free and LTE LTE hey that's neat what you know it's really you know it's really really weird about it this might be the first device ever released on an LTE carrier that doesn't have any form of cellular fall back to another network its LTE only it doesn't have cdma and I can't think I'm sure I'm going to get corrected by somebody but I cannot think of another device that is LTE only good no i agree i think you're right Chris and what makes it interesting is that if you do buy this from verizon your wireless connectivity is useless anywhere outside of verizon's network and it's also useless outside of verizon's LTE footprint so if you happen to live in an area with with shaky LTE coverage or you're still in a cdma only area it's useless to you and it made me wonder like now that this LTE model is out why did an ATT just released an LTE version of its own and my theory is that Samsung designed it with only one wireless radio in mind and it could use one wireless radio didn't have room or the power management for two so since ATT's LTE network is much smaller than verizon's at this point certainly not nationwide at all 18teen one with HSPA which is a much much larger footprint on and also has the advantage of being able to be used in most most parts of the world right and it should be noted that 18t definitely made a special exception for this device because they have long since required LTE support on any smartphone you can't as an oem you cannot even present a phone to AT&T that doesn't support LTE at this point so they made a loophole for this gal to the camera no that's point Chris it's not a phone it well I mean it's look it's basically a smartphone with a giant camera on it minus the earpiece yeah but yeah could you I mean you could you may answer the question you've em to the next question which is the freakin a face to the microphone because you I mean could you run skype on it does that bluetooth could you connect a headset to it and run skype well yes another new video calls on it except that there's no front-facing camera so like the your your part your Co caller or whatever will only see whatever the front of the camera sees yeah but you could do a voice call on skype to presumably presumably it um yeah yeah no I think you can I talk on from now I feel like we covered it in the review let me check I'm sure that covenant knew he then show you my only phone I'm just gonna carry a galaxy camera everywhere no do you make me sad like honestly I would be happier to see people going with the nokia 808 just as their own phone like a galaxy camera would be easier to haul around than a note to okay so so it's like it's easier to hold it around the big ass I think that's a that's a that's a stretch there Chris because it's like as thick as for note tues stack together wait wait wait how much does how much does a teen he charged for the galaxy camera they charge for 99 for the camera that's 10 bucks a month to edit your mobile share plan okay so you can get a you can get an international unlock galaxy camera from expanses 4509 imagine their number retailers that sell for around the same price not to say there's any reason to get it unlocked Galaxy camera person to care at all as Chris quietly clicks the buy button yeah I know chris is looking at it and you cease to have limited availability it is like okay I need to back trip right now all right I need to buy two of these want to keep new as Alex and I i wish i wish that that was a joke but that's sadly close to reality and what just happened okay Chris um I'm right here you know expenses is I'm pretty sure expenses in UK operation so if you want me to buy you some gear and bring it over for CSG you just tell me dude Vlad you know something expanses is a UK operation but they're us division is headquartered very near to me so I can actually run it actually a century it's like a two-hour drive there are in the middle of nowhere in Illinois but I could I could run down there and get some galaxy cameras I'm gonna show up to CES with like a dozen galaxies cameras for no reason but the best thing I was wondering actually is like what gadget device any piece of electronics is there that's actually cheaper here in the UK but other thieves in states I'm struggling to come up well if it's if it's offered here in the states or you mean because if we have to import it like a Christian no that like you know the Galaxy Nexus when it came out the GSM model is like costs eight hundred and fifty dollars to import yeah but generally I mean most things like I don't know i mean i'm sure kindle fire HD s of being given away with newspapers over there in the US by that whereas the UK price pretty much the u.s. price but translated into the other currency how's the thing that always pops we have yeah but you guys have free health care's oh yeah so you know better education you guys are three you guys have free health care great 3g service that gets awesome speed it's pretty much wherever you go so right how do i had a tiny little LTE network yeah i was 14 it's still bigger than t-mobile's LTE network in the US so and might be bigger than sprint's might be bigger than sprint's yeah although although i will actually announce this exclusively on the verge mobile show actually it's not exclusive at all no uh sprint's LTE network in chicago is intermittently showing up now even though they haven't announced it is live they said it was coming soon and somebody tweeted at me the other day that that in fact i think it was our own moderator dr. dr. techno PhD who first clued me into this that the network is trying to show up in places so you have a sprint LTE device in chicago check it out and be sure to thank dr. techno PhD and comments that that he noticed this um I don't have any sprint LTE devices so I can't can't check it out and on that note we can wrap it up yeah I think so we have nothing else to talk about I feel like it's such a short podcast I don't know man we're going on an hour and a half yeah even if acting like you guys are ever your major delays i'm gonna talk to you guys forever you forget Chris oh oh face to show up that's it I'm done no more troll faces I promise I think it fell that's why because we like before the podcast we can anticipate slut not even being able to see your beautiful face Chris I glued all of that drama and connectivity issues that's the place talking about yeah I kind of want to get Chris riled up right here the the chat room wants us to talk about the galaxy s4 rumors so I want to get Chris really mad really quickly too oh well I would be homage I would be happy to discuss the galaxy or rumors um sorry I didn't mean to leave that on uh so yeah the bottom line is that they will definitely you will definitely one hundred and twenty percent not see a galaxy s4 at CES if if samsung announces a galaxy s4 at CES I will eat my own face off with a spoon that is my promise to you virgin mobile show listeners it's not going to happen we as soon as that well first of all it was not a rumor in the first place it was merely idle speculation on the part of some publications who you know Samsung put out a teaser for their CES events and they were like you know something big is coming and everyone's like Oh galaxy s4 as if Samsung doesn't make a thousand other products um and it doesn't make any sense to anyway because the galaxy s4 only came out like six months ago it isn't right for the product cycle and anyway I reached out to my samsung source who I have a long history with and who has never literally never been wrong on anything Samsung related and just asked him to confirm or deny and he said it will definitely not be at CES but he did them easy he didn't give me i should i should mention very briefly he did give me a couple enticing tidbits about the galaxy s4 one is that well he he didn't but he he he hinted that we can expect a 1080p display which makes a lot of sense and he said that we should not expect this so-called unbreakable i display because the flexible technology is not near term term enough for that for that generation as five maybe but as for now i just had to point out that when he dismissed in the bunk the galaxy s4 rumors that followed about five minutes of fame laughing on the phone to you at the very premise of the Galaxy at will come in at CES yeah that's about right I just really hope that samsung announces a new washing machine um just because something I want to upgrade my washing machine again I'll tell you this much another guarantee from Samsung's two years there will be an oled TV and it will probably look stunning a fork aioli Wow don't push it Chris for the point is everyone would like it everyone wanted and none of us will have it by CES 2014 they will show that here's my prediction they will show a glasses-free 4k oled of at least 62 inches and it will it will have it will have 12 person head tracking for the for the 3d and let's support miracast yes and it will be Google TV it's my prediction by the way I know nothing about tvs so don't listen this is why we're this is the wobble show yeah all right Bradley outside yeah so I guess I'll wrap that up um so thanks for listening to the Virgin Mobile show this week please follow us on twitter i'm dan seifert my handle is DC seaford sei Vlad is at Flagstaff of and chris is at z power and if you want to follow dieter of course he's at back lon so that's it and we'll see you guys next week 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