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greetings and salutations internet friends this is a virtue where we talk about things that are mobile and apparently too fast in the furious because we can't help ourselves I am dieter bomb I am glad tsavo i'm dan seifert and i am chris sigler and i'd like to say that I'm in full support of the fast in the future big guys just don't get me started because I'm gonna spend 20 minutes talking about fast and furious and nobody wants that that's order or do we do we want that it's episode 35 we are a few minutes late but it's still a Tuesday which is pretty impressive I think someone on Twitter said this makes three weeks in a row we've broadcast on Tuesday nice why it why I feel like this is like the third or fourth week that this has been episode 35 it so I'm playing a trick I mean it's point like yeah I don't think this is the episode 35 because we actually have all four of us connected at the same time the important thing is that it's a week of februari for 2013 maybe that should be maybe that should be part of our stick where like every episode from now on is episode 35 because decide that right up for just don't wanna pay thirty-six how does kanga ya handle being in the late is 36 late 30s no that doesn't start to like 38 you can still technically count 37 as mid-30s can't you 37 is still 29 in my book you can definitely cut 36 I mean I'm mid-thirties powered I don't feel good about it at all you'll always be 29 in world I I am old old and gray and answering business letters from sixth graders which is awesome i feel really we got i got a letter from a sixth grader is donna doing a class project learning how to write business letters so are you going to go speak at a it is real okay for male now it's i mean i could a career day about it yeah yeah we should talk about smartphones though instead of snail mail and what's in my inbox and obviously clearly without question the biggest new of the week is rim no sorry not rim blackberry blackberry you know I I know we've been saying for years that blackberry has needed to do this and it's a good thing for the company and it's a good way to unify its brand and because consumers don't know who the heck rim is but when they did it in the middle of the event and I'm live blogging and I could not have hated them more from something that is three letters and about the easiest thing to type because I've been typing it for like ten years to something that is camel case and ten letters uh while I'm live blogging so yeah dan you're at the event can you tell us what this is this blackberry 10 like is it was we called the blackberry 10 watch it was definitely a device launched but they've announced blackberry 10 so many times I mean well they've shown blackberry 10 so many times right in developer conferences and things like this this was their big launch of the platform and they launched devices to go along with it so they finally officially showed off the z10 which is the all-touch model and the q10 which has the proper physical keyboard that everyone thinks of when they think of a blackberry erection corrections at ten this is it is absolutely heroic deeds at ten because this phone is actually available here in the UK now it's in stores whereas you American folks are still gonna have to deal with your certifications of verifications and carry objects and torsten Hines referred to it as the z10 on stage is they're all all them Canadians up them there so yeah I'm totally comfortable calling it the z10 right so the z10 is the the first one that's coming to market as what I mentioned it's available the UK right now it launched in Canada today actually and it is coming to the u.s. at some in order to time in March yeah we had a rumor that t-mobile is going to have it on the twenty-seventh March with a bunch of other phones so rightly whatever the carrier's launched in march to launch it yeah and i think the only carrier that in the u.s. that hasn't committed to the z10 is sprint which has officially committed to the cute and we still don't know if it's going to pick up the Zenta but right then I'll stop saying z10 it's like I'm getting into it now I'm like blackberry blackberry z10 uh so I've had a z10 oh my god Mecca what was the event like you were there in hers yeah and Vlad you were at the event in london right yes I was in a sense of like what was the what was the vibe leg so this was the first event that i had been to since blackberry world 2011 i think and that was when they launched blackberry 7 and the 9900 and whatever i'll say that sir uh and and that was a really huge event and if you remember that Ballmer came out on stage and that was like the biggest part of the you so this was this was kind of similar it was a very big venue a very big event there was lots of people there lots of press blackberry is very active in getting a lot of press from all over the world to come to its events and this was no different it was a lot of pressure a lot of analysts there are a lot of Industry people there and then they did this thing where they connected all of these other events around the world so there was like seven or eight other events in Paris Johannesburg London where Vlad was there was one I believe in Toronto as well and others that are escaping me right now and they kind of piped them all together as with a video connection can I can I just say that the the conceit of having a reporter Starcher live event but I like being on the floor the microphone and talking to people needs to go away I mean but I was very ever because he was no way that the tiger room rim did it and I didn't nokia do that with some event last year where they had like a pretend reporter pretend talking to pretend people about pretend things before the event started to try and drum up a feeling of excitement and this is an event feel like we have the structure of the event in general was very suspect to me because II you know that given the audience for this event you should not be spending I mean they spent a good 10 or 15 minutes uh you know playing up the the fanboy angle and and you know going to all these different events and talking to people who are allegedly excited about the phones and you're not you're not fooling anybody like it you're insecure you're actually actively insulting our intelligence by spent by wasting 15 minutes of our lives doing this like shut up Chris I'm sorry I interrupted you but I would say there were quite a few more minutes than just the first 15 because I can tell you now I could tell you nothing it was somewhere around a half an hour into the presentation 40 minutes into presentation and I was monitoring chat for our team and there was just nothing it was dead and and the thing we know during live events is we always have some messages so is somebody reacting to something happening on stage to the announcements etc and I was just like I wish to it here we still alive the rise to connect to the web and the guys are just like we're all just stunned into silence but besides that I do wanna you know rewind back to that intro with a vampire ankle I am just kind of freaked out and horrified by the way they treated crackberry Kevin because that do you apparently decided I mean this is the so needs news to be but he decided until blackwood 10 comes out I won't have a haircut Yoshi this has been this has been an ongoing thing right so he's built up this nice you know set of flowing locks he had a ponytail going on and black bridges decided to be like hey do you want to be a good sport and let us cut off your ponytail and completely ruin your hairstyle and what was he ever going to say like his name work his name search box is prank for Kevin like that's his thing is black for his biggest fan and they put him in that situation I I think he was very identity there I'm you know we've all known Kevin for a while and you know I'm pretty sure he couldn't have been more related to be lived no I'm sure you know featuring him was flattering to his ego and all that stuff I just kind of find it really weird for blackberrys perspective to bring out you know drag out your biggest fan and you like we're just gonna cut your hair yay I mean what what sort of celebration what sort of auspicious occasion does this lead well he was he was growing he was growing it out until blackberry 10 launch that was there the they're the biggest you know a rally there's a rally use like sports fans who are you know growing their hair out until they get to the playoffs or two they win the championship or whatever but again this entire stick is insulting the intelligence and and it's a waste of time for the analyst and and media who are there show us what you hit what your you've brought us there to announce let us collect our review units and let us go on our way I guess so haha well i mean i was expecting big surprises out of will not because i was expecting a surprise at least and out of this event based on you know everything i heard that I was hoping that there'd be something surprising and it seems like like the biggest surprise besides renaming the company from rim to blackberry is that they managed to secure a bigger list of big-name apps than I expected they got whatsapp they got you know a bunch of others they got commitments from them and that's something I want to talk about because you know yeah exactly like they announce these on stage and they really made it feel like all of these apps are going to be there at launch and stuff and they talk about skype and they talk about whatsapp and they talked about a bunch of other ones but if you go into the UK a UK store right now and you buy the z10 or z10 and you try to download any of those apps they're not available yet so I mean as far as I'm concerned the phone is launched and they're not available yeah i mean when i watch this when i talk to them about whatsapp I spoke to once i have been rim at the same time and they basically like well you know it's going to be out really soon and it'll should be out in time for the US launch and since it's a rolling launch we're gonna say it's a launch out yeah i mean i don't code i did fine i had fun the whole app stick really misleading because they came out and they were really pushing the number seventy thousand apps we're coming out really strong right out of the gates and they actually look at the break and then a substantial proportion of this is just android applications wrapped up to play and to work on the blackberry 10 platform another good chunk of it is ported android applications then there's html5 applications and then less than half from what I understand of all these apps are actually native bed with Tara applications which are the ones that have the most functionality the most access to low-level resources and the biggest chance to shine and you know the three annoying thing is when you take your z10 you start browsing around then you look for big-name maps one of the first ones that caught my eye was you too but I don't yeah great these guys I should have a youtube app right out of the box I tap into it m.youtube.com it's a web link and that's what I does that's what Windows Phone did right is that mistake thing it's examine the same thing and I hate it because that is BlackBerry's choice well like no it's not i mean it's it's their choice too okay it's their choice to have a crappy stub out in there I suppose yeah yeah exactly with the shortcut yeah yeah exactly let me just add to this and and it's you know it's something that dan dance reaction after his first day or so it was like they spent two years developing this cetera et cetera and you know a bunch of census stuff so he's put on with that if you had this much time there is a lot about the blackberry 10 software that is just unacceptable and the two things that really really stand up for me there are neat things which we may end up eventually when discussing about the software but the two things that really annoy me are things like the settings menu is still like a white background with black text on it there's just almost no effort being put into making this flu particularly different from blackberry menus from years and decades past and secondly a emails thinking is still not immediate and to me that is using imap right projects and maybe there's imap idle for pushes is how they're pushing if they're pushing I don't have one yet so no you know how the platform has been so late wit email sync as blackberry right I don't know what the heck about 47 I don't know what the technical backend if they're using imap idle or not but it receives emails push so for my gmail accounts I'd automatically pushes to the phone but the problem is my idol then yeah I'll mark it read on the device and then it'll be like hours later and I'll go back to my desktop and there's still all these emails sitting in my inbox of the desktop marked unread unfiled or whatever well yeah it is the whole thing again yeah it depends on how they implement the imap and let's be honest I map in gmail is not played all that nicely in general so I mean if you want if you wanna knock it for how I'm totally in defending blackberry but that's fine if we want to knock for how it handles email that's fine but it's also like the same boat that everybody else is in no state of no sink I disagree I mean really I i don't know all i can think of is that when you think of blackberry if you're nothing you have a keyboard you're thinking of an awesome messaging an awesome email support experience and right it does not fulfill that at all for gmail okay by default the conversation view is turned off which blows my mind and so like you have all these emails coming in and they're not like threaded together and that's a nightmare then uh if you are a gmail user of any sort that likes archive things or organize them with labels that's a very difficult thing to do which is obviously you know no different than if L okay but imagine imagine dude back up imagine gmail wasn't available on the iPhone you'd be in the exact same situation right but it's but the point is it is available and ran and the iOS is email client is way better than a blackberry tenants like this stock mail de Abba ebook really okay I'm just gonna mail app is better than anything at all ever I really truly do yeah yeah good is another good comparison but Windows Phone guys see I've actually been nitpicky enough to run comparisons with how quickly it sinks it sometimes even sings as fast talking about gmail account here then my android device it is about I member exchange yeah when it's what exchange they are see there you go yes sir yeah okay fair enough fair enough but but still I mean as far as just the end-user perspective is concerned right you pick up a blackberry 7 device I had the misfortune reviewing that porsche design frosty um so that means you go tonight on house of cards on netflix has got has got one of those the the bald dude the is he in prison is that why he's being punished in this fashion and just bothers me on that thing he's a baller that's what they have to united states penninte e900 so so let's talk about the other features of blackberry 10 uh blackberries been touting the hub which is like it's universal inbox for organizing your notifications from everything from messages to email to social networking things like that which is a great idea in theory in concept or an execution i guess it kind of falls apart on blackberry 10 for a number of reasons um the one is that i don't really always want all of my notifications all together and it kind of just lumps me into there and then i can yes break down into my various services to view them individually but if by default it just kind of throws me in there the other problem that i have with it is when you get a notification on the device unlike with iOS or android where you can swipe down from the top and see what the notification is more or less you can see who the message is from maybe even see part of the message and then ignore it if you want blackberry 10 just gives you an icon so it'll say you have new text messages or new emails or new Twitter replies or whatever and then I have to go into the actual messaging hub and I have to look at each one to see what they say uh instead of being able to glance at it and then go back to what I was doing which is like defeats the whole purpose to me so and then there's also other nitpicks you can't actually go from message to message in it you have to look at a message go back to the list open a new message go back into that back and forth a lot of back-and-forth bouncing which is very unkind and it took me a long time to find it and actually I got a little help from somebody on Twitter to find how to mark all of my Twitter notifications as red because I would get you know however many in a day and they would all be sitting there and I was marking them individually so there is a way to do that but it's very hidden you have to long press on a thing and bring up a hidden contextual message what there's no distress in say it's not just in the general like pulldown menu no the way you do it is you long press on the date so if you're looking at your list of messages you long press on the date which is tiny then it brings up contextual message a menu that lets you select marquales red that's terrible it's it's a thin thing when a hub is that february's just really branded than notification area I haven't added or well but isn't the easy idea of a you know a notification aggregate to any more than I mean there are step ahead of Windows Phone because I shouldn't have well yeah you know as far as the notification systems in android and iOS or our way superior as far as I'm concerned but the other thing is the lock screen is is also quite confusing an intuitive grab reset because you you get no engines for new tweets new messages on there and it just looks so inviting for you to swipe into them you know you know you look at it it's a left side of the screen you're like oh tweet notifications and yet in trance wipe and then try and impress you try and do something with it you can't it just sits there on lock screen but in the camera icon if you long press it there's a little animation and that brings you to the camera and if you're dragging from the top you can access you alarm clock driving from the bottom yeah you unlock the phone just like swipes from the edges sometimes do you think sometimes they don't do things and then sometimes you have things that look tappa below clickable or log pressable and then not and it's just weird yeah it's a very the whole OS there's a lot of instances where it's just not very obvious what you're supposed to do are you supposed to swipe back are you supposed to look for a back about in are you supposed to swipe up you know and and you you have to like learn all of that for every single app that you do or every single action that you want to do which is yeah there never was anything but there's no consistency and that's that's how much of this do you guys think is just like not having not having learned it not being used to the platform I mean honestly how much of it is that I was not driving you're not a blackberry person I'll give you an example so this is like your your main home screen and you swipe over and that brings up your inbox of your notifications and so like I want to swipe back to go back and I can't I have to swipe up to go back and it's like you just swipe back to come back from your let me do it again yeah dude single oh yeah i'm gonna use fight back oh there it is you swiped their other that's it so just wondering what the problem it made a liar out of me this um but I swear it's the inconsistent in areas I just can't prove it but they're already latest where a black widow show up on the screen but he comes back in a bottom in the example to then was getting that was still take you back to the home screen yeah right yeah because only sahabas a nap if you haven't there's a full review that Josh wrote getting into a lot of these issues and you definitely should check it out what was the final score we gave it I want to say give it a 77 yeah this seems right and I like the big debate on the verge cast which we don't need to recapitulate in full is like is this better than windows phone because that's really the big question right and I haven't used it so I'm not going to say I suspect the answer is windows phone is better but it feels like this had a faster stronger launched out of the gate then when da phone did back with windows phone seven right I definitely a blackberry definitely has more support from carriers uh it's getting you know global launching much faster than Microsoft did with Windows Phone personally I'd rather carry a witness phone device at this point because even the windows phone does not have a strong an app ecosystem as iOS and Android it's still a lot better than what blackberry 10 is offering but I think what the real question is in for an average consumer for the person going into the store that sees you know three or four different phones priced at two hundred dollars on a contract does it compare with them and no I can't recommend it over an iOS or Android device that along the same price point right although the real question here is is Alicia Keys that in the jessica alba in a brand ambassador state well she's actually an employee right right is she nice yeah i was on rims payroll BlackBerry's payroll see ah and ears um yeah that's what ever I don't even know what to say like I saw will i have at macworld he's also got a similar fake job at Intel and I just have 0 patience care I love the fact that every one of these companies is completely inventing the job the role the whole position is invented just to satisfy their how we being individuals by a co or formally cool or some with people think they're cool celebrity and holds the key word Russell wrote a really smart piece on on the this whole phenomenon of the creative director and Lady Gaga and will.i.am like you mentioned dieter and your keys and and there's this there's this idea among these companies that they need to force some like you know false sense of cool on their image in order to sell devices and that's not that's not what rim needs to be trying to do two cell phones oh the fact that they showed alicia keys on stage their launch event is going to have zero impact on their bottom line don't you know what else rim rim you know what else blackberry needs to not do to sell their phones they need to not put up a boring middling Super Bowl commercial that like they they basically took their phone their z10 and they set it on a tee ball stand like you sent a soft ball when you play t-ball and they invited everybody on the planet to just take a huge swing at it whenever they feel like it whenever they want to complain about the platform because the tagline for this you know this commercial was it would be faster to show you what things it can't do yeah there are so many things that the blackberry z10 can't do and there's going to always be thinking right that does blackberry case Samsung's was way better if if they're going to keep pushing this angle on this commercial man like so many headlines are just waiting for me to write just yeah waiting I think for me I have seen other commercials that they plan on airing that show more the devices functions and the gestures and its features and stuff so fortunate hopefully they'll run with those in the future instead of this kind of conceptual thing that happened during the Superbowl Samsung's was actually way more clever and I think that it was it was very important that they move away from the Apple bashing which they finally did thank god you're right but as far as a product commercial is pretty terrible because you didn't really see the product at all yeah but it was it was I felt like it was like it was funny enough to that like it was a knock you right it would cause you to look up samsung galaxy if you if for whatever reason you didn't know what says my goodness if you about living in a closet it's not even about that that commercial wasn't about selling phones anymore it's about establishing Samsung as like a cultural as a brand basic brand building again in that context I think I worked really well I was just sort of oh I have warm fuzzy feelings about Samsung now ray right via the author the real superstar that commercial by the ways but was Bob Odenkirk ah I mean don't get me wrong Paul Rudd Seth Rogen are great but Bob Odenkirk is top notch might look so hang on to you did you just know that actors name off the top of your head you didn't know that either mr. show dude yeah this is what people who don't watch fast and the furious or remember oh yeah so guys seriously we don't have that long of a podcast so funny when I talked about black break let's just make a very quick mention because BlackBerry's trying to talk up the sales for the z10 Wow let's also mention that the q10 has no release date you know availability information or pricing or anything yeah actually the huge any show know the q10 I felt really like oh yeah it's great q10 is coming everything's gonna be fine but like after this launch event I'm feeling nervous I mean it's going to come in whatever but I'm nervous about it the way that I wasn't before the launch event anyways all right over there I think that they are going to have they're going to go through the exact same cycle of agony that Nokia is currently going through III think that I I don't think that that this that this device that were devices plural z10 q10 are going to do enough to pull them out of their nose dive and I think that they're going to do several more rapid cycles Vlad you and I talked about this on the show last week fact that you know Nokia's failures have forced them into this faster cycle and they're comfortable with and I think we're going to see that with with rim too and it's going to be pretty painful to watch I'm not sure how it talks about it when I was in LA last week's book oh maybe I said what did I talk about with was it was a you Dan I don't know I don't out of somebody I feel in any conversation did I hit my head maybe maybe I know this conversation happened I guess into or participated I don't remember which okay I would listen with a virgin mobile shell everybody hey anyway I guess I survived it's a crime so then I just want to give them the opportunity to interrupts as well because I was doing like this quick wrap-up and I just kind of spiraled out of control Bok very quickly rim okay there you go actually we did instagram instagram is coming yes we know that big deal I don't give a damn I i downloaded instagram to my iphone and i can't use it now without logging into facebook it's really wacky and weird and I'm not logging into facebook anyway so blackberry is talking up the idea that the z10 is selling out and selling really well but we've had zero numbers in terms of sales so this is why you haven't seen us covering it as news because it's a load of complete PR because what I can say is I can take my z10 review unit and if I'm successful in selling it I could say I'm completely sold out guys it's completely blown away let's see did you expect a chance totally yeah so if we don't know how many they had in stock you know guys like the carphone warehouse or phones for you they're resellers that they might they might have a limited stock they might have low expectations we know nothing about sales so far so the situation with blackberry what's next on our list of topics so moving on we've got uh we've been talking about HTC for the last seven iterations of episode 35 um but there's more to talk about because HTC's big event has yet to happen so there's gonna get more leaks and things like that and so HTC itself put out this teaser yesterday where it teased a new sound and camera experience at the end of a long time line of camera technology which if you look very closely at the original version of the timeline you might see some errors anyway um at them going after like I'm going after nokia's pureview implementation like yeah that was like really uh nokia has been the one mobile company that just keeps talking trash but sit together on twitter and just being you know snarky and being a smartass his fellow competitors so there is Fanta their own spot they are the the 610 620 wasn't it or 620 excuse me or whatever was it did it pass with flying colors the long-awaited nokia conversations review of the nokia 620 but that went up this week ladies and gentlemen so you never see my internet the okiya conversations is not an outside blog or site it is Nokia's own site so but to be fair they actually did respond pretty quickly and changed it from a review to a hands-on so how did they really yeah yeah they did they updated it uh so HTC at the end of this long timeline teases a new sound and camera experience for 2013 which uh the exact same thing is set for 2012 and also in 2011 when it bought beats so you can read into that all you want but it doesn't seem to me like EGC is really changing it's a narrative there and the rumors that they're going to they're gonna stack a bunch of sensors right or something ya know there's a rumor yeah it's very strange rumor that they were going to stop calling things old megapixels and call them ultrapixels um but well we'll have to see what they do well I mean if give you know they're if they're making fun of Nokia if they might be able to do something interesting here I mean I I anticipate finding out on the 19th i guess um yeah oh and i know which day it happened but pizza ciao did run around yelling m7 m7m seventh and frosting the phone into the air so I'm pretty sure if it were 19 is kind of a lot by this point for us to see this new android flagship yeah well I mean we've seen it right with te we've got a picture of peter chao holding it up taking right what does he see it i mean learn about it as well learn about these pixels and all this other madness right just a quick note i was taking a look just before the podcast ed and i'm taking a look at it now this is why i'm giving these motions with my head on twitter anyhow the z10 is actually in terms of physical dimensions is actually not that much smaller than the HTC One X which is disappointing to me okay it's alright considering his latest shorts or point to which displays supposed yeah yeah and I actually and this 500 or 600 word rant about sizes and saying that Android needs some for to 4.3 inch devices which was trying to also give voice to the same concern issued that we've given voice to in previous podcasts and think that Chris has been ranting about previously but what I would say with that is when we demand these 4 2.4 inch devices we want them to actually be physically smaller to be legitimately smaller as opposed to will put 4.2 in screen on there and we'll keep it the same size as the 1x that isn't really the point but anyhow that that was a back to HC next big phone ohh really i think we're done talking about HTC yeah don't you talking about it easy until next week until next episode 35 right so microsoft confirmed that a car dev and cal des support are definitely coming to Windows Phone and they got a little a little support from google in that it is extending its support of exchange activesync so that Windows Phone users are not left in the lurch come the end of January which is nice to see so if you or Windows Phone user let's go ahead Chris so so two things I want to point out here one it is it is patently obvious that this was the plan all along that Google was going to watch Microsoft stew in its own juices for a few weeks before looking the hero and and announcing that that it was going to extend it for a few months to I guarantee you that they are getting this extension for free from Microsoft they are not paying a dime for this license until June yeah that's uh I I agree with both of those points although it's still the thing you wrote back when this news first broke that there may be dropping exchange activesync that what was it you said that Microsoft is either incompetent or lying right by saying they were surprised by this news yeah right yeah so I mean I that's good you know if i could pay Google to get I guess I am on for Google Apps right then because they're going to continue that for support for enterprise account in google apps accounts so your eyes for instance i am paying google to have and they don't have any more free Google Apps accounts as first I know so right oh so my whole point was if i could pay Google for that i would if i could pay Google for that from my personal account i would it should come free if you like by the extra storage oh yeah if i'm not mistaken paul who has no use for it say he pays for i think that he liked his personal setup is on google apps which is always been intriguing to me but uh huh I don't know if I it used to be for google apps that you could have like five or ten accounts for free or something like that and they recently changed I want to say like last year they change it that there's no longer free account option so yeah it also used to be I don't know if this is still the case but it used to be that that a lot of like really cool google features would be rolled out on Google Apps accounts like long after they were on like regular gmail accounts Duff yeah so that's something to consider do I don't know if they with that still the case we also should point out that Windows Phone 7.8 is actually happening on nokia's devices at least uh oh you know what else is happening on the dell venue pro oh yeah you do lie no I get up I'll Genesis that's amazing oh it got some point yep Wow an official it's official to it's not a hat I want I want adult than you Pro new again and as a fine phone dude we just you just got finished complaining about phones that are way too big for their screen size I know you're gonna praise the dell venue pro 10 consistency it's true I I have my head in shame but yeah she switch up before I UK audience goes to sleep like me because I'm really sleepy is late there's actually some really huge news in terms the UK ltd market and it came out about half an hour into the Super Bowl it's like the company that announced wanted to bury or something any case a midnight on monday three UK announced that he will add LTE to its packages without price for you and that is just human with the massive I like I'm reading it and I'm just trying to find where is the small print where are these guys qualifying this statement because it so far LT has just been this super premium EE only offering and you know II is treating it like this especially special thing even though it isn't on the on the best frequency and it doesn't have all the great building penetration turns out that the thing with free in the UK is that they've consistently had the absolute best prices among the local carriers particularly with London they have sell the best free g coverage so if you want data in London free is the best value by I think the last time i was in london i bought a three data only sim because it was cheap and fast hmm yeah I mean it's both it's both cheap and fast and now all of a sudden they got a stage keepo just go to LTE speeds I mean that's brilliant everybody else is either going to have to come down admin price and completely free or lose a ton of customers so this is a big promise I don't know how the company's got to manage it financially I don't know how to working through that hump for that hurdle minor details you know I'm our free subscribe myself and I'm paying like almost nothing so just getting LTE on top of that is gonna be yeah a beauty it's also news so yeah as we don't know what it's gonna happen it will probably be like November time or whatever yeah but at least is you know it's something really good and worthwhile to look forward to so yay for us kawai you're also and you can't even see no I because we got we got LTE you know without it theoretically without price increases on all the carriers in the US although they've been messing around their data plans so much probably part of that was because of LTE I guess but the idea that you would just assume you'd be paying an extra you know however much a month just to get LTE like people would be storming the gates here if that were the case well yeah but at the same time you guys pay hundreds of dollars per month where is that the UK subscriptions are much much cheaper regular basis so the only thing that I'm really bummed about is the next time I go to London I won't be able to use the LTE if three has enabled it's cheap LTE because my device will be capital boo yes tree oh do I talk about the X phone from Motorola found it no just do we know any specifics about it out of them no we just this job listing allegedly confirmed its name that or that the pre exponent project is in the works for sure which was reported by The Wall Street Journal and the way Motorola handle that after us leads me to believe that it was not a fake listing right it was pulled from it was originally a listing on linkedin that included the expo name and if you look for it on motorola's career site you could find the exact same listing minus the expo name and then a couple hours later it was gone from linkedin yes so well speaking of pool the kinds of things at again I don't know if this happened before last week's podcast but there was a Qualcomm document remember the one pointing to a key lime pie coming out in his oh yeah yeah huge document up slide deck yeah yeah yeah and what Qualcomm's thing is Qualcomm what has leaks that happen seemingly every year and every year issues takedown notices for them uh and in the interesting part of this leak was that there was one slide that said android key lime pie I may tentatively be launched in the spring of 2013 which is like a very broad estimate and even the slide itself said it was just an estimate and if it does line up with when Google i/o is supposed to happen in May if we don't see key lime pie or whatever it's going to be called then it would be very a big surprise well I am something that um there are some issues with jelly bean particularly 4.2 which people have been encountering so that's something to kind of look forward to I guess such as well I mean dita had complained with a nexus 7 that he would have preferred to keep it at 4.1 and I did I did find it a like the one the next seven the D the handle to me I do find it bit more sluggish and behaving a bit more ugly than stuck once I know a bluetooth streaming is told us stop the Nexus 7 oh yeah I mean yeah stop 4.2 but I mean stock when you buy a 4.1 nexus 7 right or an exit seven 4.1 and no expression must sit very well so I have a crazy theory that I'm going to throw out I I think first of all I think that it's completely insane to believe that Google will have the successor to the nexus 4 ready in time for Google i/o I agree but I do think that they will debut the white Nexus 4 at Google i/o as I betcha they'll probably give it to all the attendees that could be but either way I think that'll that'll somehow be tied into the launch of key lime pie secondly this is less a prediction and more of a gloat I just want to point out that the verge called the key lime pie name like a year ago what I'll hold up in we were first it could be a hold on yeah I don't know I'm not googling the pot salad I mean I don't know it's it's nice out your klondike bars oh where is that your yeah Clinton that you could be Klondike bar that that's a good one but but I do think that it's gonna be key lime pie no you could have been KO cake only for you Vlad not to anybody else Aoki that is not a dessert in anyone knows household except yours that's like a punishment food that like you know that's not a dessert that's not a reward listen so I what about when I luquillo cake and when I write my reviews the way nokia does it's amazing um man uh what else is there that happened this week I feel like we could we could go back to the blackberry well some are but I know there's a rumor that vertu might launch an android phone which is kind of crazy if yes of course they're gonna launch an android phone what will there's a bunch of anything they're not even open okie any more like good business right but but but keep in mind that vertu i believe i might be making this up but i think that that um that nokia said in the past that virtue has been a profitable division for them oh yeah and and that makes sense because they charge completely asinine amounts of money for the buy something they sell one for one phone turn a profitable quarter right I their cheapest models are like 45 or 4,500 five thousand dollars and that's for devices that don't have any precious metal at all and then you can do you know a hundred thousand dollars for a solid gold phone but uh what's interesting to me about this is that yes I mean I totally agree with with you guys that an Android virtue is inevitable but Nokia does still have a stake in virtue so you could say you wouldn't be entirely wrong in saying that Nokia's going to make an android phone despite see my new offices comedy the contrary no toe hod nokia still owns like what ten or twenty percent of her to something like that mon okie should have had on to all of it actually because it was recently i don't know where i came across it but it was a statement from virtue saying the day they're actually growing in their profits are expanding and improving and things and it I was I was just gonna exact same questions then how are these guys still in business where is their thriving they're improving but I guess when you made it measure things that are three years behind the development circle a cycle of everyone else it's it's pretty cheap to do the one thing I mean although it's not surprising that they're going to android android route you have to like you have to think about the UM the clientele the people that are using vertu devices don't really care I mean they're the kinds of people where you know instead of wanting to check the weather on their phone they press the concierge button on the side of the phone which connects them to a virtue concierge and then they ask what the weather is going to be that's like the ultimate weather app by the way yeah dad yeah with your own about my weather app collection and I'd be done there's no sign of my predictions when we talk about today we've covered all of them but one I'm really excited which is I'm not saying to see if you guys can just come to it organically Oh God so the the uh what I was going to say is that in that respect it doesn't really matter yeah I think it matters very little what operating system of her to phone runs compared to other platforms because keeping my virtue still makes the signature I think which is a dumb phone it's like running s30 rs40 so and and you know I mean gwyneth paltrow is still buying him by the dozens so so it really so a future yeah she's a huge 42 fan so the M is so legal handedly keeping the company so a future a future virtue could very easily run Windows Phone to stay in lockstep with its part owner nokia and I don't think that its clients would be any the wiser as long as they can figure out how to make a phone call and there's still the button on the side that immediately connects them to a concierge they would be all set I love this concierge thing is is basically like a real-life human Siri that's exactly what it is but that's exactly what it is it's a real-life actual account what virtue had this figured out years before Apple and now all I want to know is what deters last thing is that's that's consuming me what why are you thinking about it let's make a quick mention about lenovo because this company is really intriguing me this week they reported their revenues and contrary to every other pc maker including Apple with its max they're actually growing in terms of sales in terms of profits they broken all of their records revenues profit sales shipments yada yada yada and their smartphone division exactly as the CEO promised less than six months ago has turned profitable for the first time in the last quarter so they're always actually doing work which me is really amazing I mean it's obviously all of this growth is China centric and it's the one area where all of us are perhaps less informed then we should be so we're not perfectly clear on what particular part of it is growing but you know to me or when I think the noblemen smartphones I think misguided Intel devices so just really up to me how this company just keeps you know pushing ahead I mean do you think it's selling all these inter devices or do you think it's uh well I mean we got to remember that the the Chinese market where it lenovo actually offers its products for sale is enormous and there's a huge pool of customers to tap into and even if they're only tapping into a small fraction of it there's something like uh there's well over a billion cell phone customers or cell phone connections in China had something like a few hundred thousand smartphone owners which is insane yes all of the u.s. so uh you know there's a there's a huge market to tap there for lenovo and lenovo as i understand it is a well-loved company in china so but i was the other thing I should look into that break down the growth wasn't just in China is actually growing pretty helpfully all over the place probably latin america i would guess a southeast asia right more or less everywhere but here africa yeah i mean uh yeah there's a huge market for four devices in China and in Africa that very few companies have really a solved right i mean nokia that that's one of Nokia's traditional strong suits and that's something that they sell into a sash a line and some of their very low-end windows phones and that's obviously lenovo strength to but but i don't think you know I don't want to read into it too much in terms of their ability to penetrate into in to entrench markets I don't see a lenovo phone launching any time soon in the US I don't see one really taking Europe by storm lease Western Europe right I mean sure you think that's going to happen what was that a blab what was that that orange phone with the Intel processor that was not a lenovo right though no no it wasn't but but I yeah the know that my families are designed and won't use a San Diego and you got renamed into de San Francisco but yes yeah right oh because of a Qualcomm right that's the theory anyway uh then that was just an Intel phone right but what's in a built by like xolo or something like that Yolo with an ex or is that the same chassis you I think it's pretty much the same design and device but the Xolo one student like in the end yeah other places that we're not anywhere near to write so I need to run guys so damn do you wanna do you want to do the wrap up I think look sure can they can handle it sure so I guess that's episode 35 for this week which is a februari for 2013 if it's ever so 35 this weekend every week this week at every week yes oh say is unisex vienen for episode 35 if you want to follow us on Twitter I'm dance DCC fridge with Annie I dieter who just left is at back lawn Vlad is vlad savov and chris is z power and be sure to leave a comment on the post if you want to give us feedback and that's it alright thanks for watching guys thanks guys bye