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hey welcome to the verge mobile show i'm dan seifert as always this is episode 35 for the week of februari 11th and here we are that's how and I love my base compare it I thought I'd give it a more traditional you're just supposed to do your name now you throughout my whole cadence I'm not a similar I it to be fair I throughout the whole cadence by saying my name before anything else yeah that that's you know that's never going to get the openers right you're not a seasoned opener veteran like dieter is who is not with us this week this is true yeah for Chase who's done it perfectly so far as theta just by being essence yeah dieter is a covering an event today so unfortunately he's not with us strut it we have us three and we're going to talk about lots of fun things like how cold it is and the fact that it's like the middle would turn really over it yes I would like to point out that i am wearing two hoodies today put one right here good another one right there and I know these message Sony headphones what's up it just women isn't London whether a lot like Pacific Northwest whether it's kind of like it never gets super cold in the winter right and you don't get a ton of snow right but if you live in long enough temperatures like zero degrees do you tend to feel soon go to you anyway right zero Celsius not freedom units 0 0 degree commie units yeah it's like 41 freedom units here today so it's actually pretty warm but I'm still freezing for whatever reason that's 29 here and and somebody is moving out of my building so like you know the door in the lobby has been open all day and there's just this continual blast of 30 degree air coming into my unit through the cracks in the door so if I if I either die or or start shivering uncontrollably during the episode that's why how do you don't wear it like every single every single door that leads out of my apartment I've covered up with towels oh yeah wait I thought they were called flats there what's the difference between a flat in an apartment the difference is me cheesy woods okay thank you oh there's no there's no technical difference it's Vlad's mood yeah no no difference whatsoever the other thing is that there's a split-level flats so slow and technically just flat piece of property oh so do you know what amazing it is I'm not familiar with a Wyland I know what raises an aunt a raisinet yeah I've had raised notes before now amazing maisonette no I've not had amazing that I'm sure mispronouncing it it's is when you have your own entrance to the street into your apartment wait flat well mazen is French for house right yeah amazing and being like a small house a little house a little house and there's your French lesson for the day there is you're pressing for the day here's a question how do you say mobo in French uh yeah it's not handy that's German a lameo lead I don't say I'd say let's ask our chat room but sigh accurately no more chats I indeed um so uh I guess let's talk about the news ah what little news there is and yeah we're in this like no man's land right now I think I've said this the past couple episode 35 s that you know we're in between major events there aren't really any major announcements that are happening because everyone saving it for their own event or for mwc or whatever so it's like these this kind of rumor land that we live in uh and you know let's get right off with it with rumors uh this week we saw another m7 come out which I don't know if we wrote about it but it is very similar to the first alleged m7 device that we saw hit the internet a few weeks ago which looks very similar to an iphone 5 and it's got a two grills on the front of it that appear to be speakers of some sort all right and it completely contradicts the second set of pictures that looks more like an HTC 8x so there's kind of like some drama going on here right with these rumors you know I have to say you mentioned the first rumour / leaked looking like a an iphone 5 and I thought so at first as well but then Josh said hey that looks kind of like a z10 and I totally see it now that I cuz I've seen I've seen pictures of the white z10 and I totally see it yeah idea right a lot of people say the z10 look like the iphone 5 thing at this point I think we're kind of way way over analyzing this like their big slabs of course weights of plastic or metal walls monitor is around side I mean I find this the one with big fence or the big openings at front speaker holes or whatever they are fascinating because usually you can have those big ones for the earpiece yes most of the time you only like a small space for the ETS but HTC particular those would be like a horizontal bar yeah perforations but having that at the top and at the bottom of the phone puzzle makes a kind of more symmetrical which might not be a good thing for recognizing which ways up but then also is like quite weird random I mean what are we looking at it is this going to be like the stereo speakers set up big multimedia device uh yeah I don't know um only somebody just mirror the top in Photoshop I still think there's at least a chance that it's going to end up looking like the the second I mean who knows like well there you know many of our listeners are probably familiar with this Twitter account of leaks which has established itself as one of the the predominant leakers of phones on the internet and and that account is saying that the the original image is accurate it's just it's so weird to me like it's it's such a dramatic departure from what I'm used to HTC devices looking like whereas the other one is less of a departure so but hey I mean after Santa funds google home for you Chris it is after Samsung's uh intentional very intentional deception leading up to the launch of the gs3 I would believe anything at this point yes that's true which we showed you romaji Samson's launch of the galaxy free this was you know perhaps the best kept secret so the Android pleasure devices for a long time get accessory and then in the action or event equine actually had people walking around with the phone in their hands trying to be discreet but still you know carrying the girls history around at the launch event before they've announced it which to me was just such a dumb move because legacy Chris I can't remember the misinformation being spread so nicely and so well is Sam something with against it's free but we had at least three borderline credible looks for a new state or so you know again a big slab of course which plastic or metal around the sides of it and we're just being jaded they use the code will make it whatever it is but I'm with that feel like this is such an underwhelming period in our lives hadn't I like nothing is hurting or exciting what do you want a phone to look like glad do you want it to be like the beats logo do you want HTC make like a giant be with that would that be would that satisfy you nobody yeah he's a good example for me which is the novo that hybrid device whose names case with the moment um but you've got it another yoga it's a tablet that plugs in it becomes a laptop and you can essentially slot in the tablet one way and select top slot it in the other way then it's really thick tablet we can't work with people with it was suddenly they showed up at CES again hybrid devices we've had them before and we'll see things over yoga and the sous Tai Chi which is one of those things that was announced like eight or nine months ago we vector context I'll see it was really on sale anywhere so we've got all of these hybrid devices without tops and yet this the helix that's one think I need us and yet the helix still feels very much fresh it is doing something rigid it isn't something holding you and I really enjoyed it like I'm not sure that you would necessarily improve my life over that much but I just enjoyed the novelty of it so and that's the other thing you asked me how do you expect the phone look well there's nothing inherent in a phone where Ruby smartphone or any other mobile device that says it needs to have a screen or any several master screen or needs to be dominated by screen like you could use the free inch screen and do something else with the rest of it then you video comedy but you would have like a blackberry from 2006 well I didn't say stick of freaking keyboard on it but like when what else would you do if you I mean like even I just agree that a blackberry from 2006 a blackberry from 2012 no difference there's no quitting I exciting and Oh David you say you could shrink the screen down and even like to like three inches or something absurd like I would love to see somebody smarter than I come up with a smartphone form factor that isn't just you know a giant screen wrapped in plastic or metal um I don't know what that would look like it'd be kind of weird anyway obviously uh you know the the form of these things are the the necessity to have a display like that kind of dictates uh how much you can do with the design and the fact that people want to thin and light and you know such and such but um I think they're the last design that like really was like blew me away is like just a design was when uh in nokia release en9 and then they've been using that design language for the lumia series since then uh that was the last you know hardware design was like whoa that's some really awesome hardware design that's actually looks different it feels different it's just a different experience you know what blew me away was the Sony Tablet P which I i just googled and it amazon is selling it right now for 275 bucks man that's a deal I know right like that that's not much more than a nexus 7 and you're running like honeycomb it's running 3.2 yeah okay there was such a hot potro I think we should justify sex right now give another system nothing has been up swell of desire for people to hear us talk about fast six well I mean what is there to say I mean you like just sit back how r said traitor and a movie right uh well I pretty much know inside scripts and maybe we can flake in not good inconsequential as it is Vlad you're looking at it completely wrong I mean if you're looking for you know great dialogue and a great script and a non predictable storyline I mean you're not looking at FS six but if you're looking just like for a great movie that's going to be like awesome on the other level and have explosions and and the rock or vin diesel like driving out of an aircraft carrier or some sort uh then you know fast six where it's at dan i would challenge you on the on the like not like interesting or complicated plot thing i think that this is actually going to be one of the most intellectual movies of 2013 for and i'll tell you why i'll tell you why because when you when you watch them like a hook a cable like they're driving along right and they like hook a cable or something from the car to the the giant cargo aircraft and so and like somehow pull the wing down and like cause it to crash and then Vin Diesel of course comes out of the front of the plane like breaking down the physics of exactly how this car was able to to cause this aircraft to crash is going to take physicists generations to compute in this there's going to be major thesis papers written on exactly the physics used in fast six examine I love that justification like Essex is going to stimulate scientific progress yes Brenda purified policies for how the hell they managed to make those thongs happen yes finally you guys see it my way that mean he doesn't make me sad and I will say I hadn't seen complain about fifth one Fast and the Furious Five France viable then we got Sparkle yeah that's why which is that Vin Diesel is aging out and he hasn't actually had a shirt off in a movie for a very long time and he's not the same you know imposing presence that he was back to the base pitch black in his pee he bulked up for the sixth one like if you if you look at regular he's not he's up clean d bhakta he's like yeah he's still like hat he still like half the size of the rock but buddy he's pretty big great to me it's kind of like it's kind of cheap because the rock is kept in shape and you're like okay he thought he goes and find somebody I can credit that and expects of fireworks but yeah I think we sound like well i'm just still keeping big i'm sooo filling out of here i'm hoping you guys do remember when I was fit look all I'm saying is that if you encountered Vin Diesel in a bar and any took a beer bottle and and cracked it on on the bar and came at you you will get a weapon yes i will be afraid you know with his bare even with his bare hands you would probably wet wet yourself is my guess I would I never would stop joking very intensively the opposite direction well there you go uh yeah I look I'm just saying that that I think that all of our viewers should see this movie I think it's a very important movie and it's and frankly this movie that we're going to discuss a lot over the coming weeks yes you know it's a really important movie in the Canon of you know our culture and you know our time I think it's yeah really grab that and speak to us and speak to the yes exactly I over with you guys as soon as we do episode 36 is when we start talking about but is that my just anticipated but right so for for our viewers who are trying to catch up with the series I do my standard recommendation is that you watch one two four and five and then save tokyo drift for a separate viewing and i can't i can't tell you why that's important without spoiling anything but just just know that like you want to watch Tokyo Drift last and as yeah 1245 and then watch six and then go back and watch Tokyo Drift I think yell the very positive fast and furious experience like I keep thinking this is a joke and increase it's all I can see I can tell you this if you do the as Chris recommended 1245 and you watch 3 afterwards that jump from two to four you're not going to be lost when you get to movie for because you haven't seen a Tokyo Drift yet so nice as long as I can go to the races the narrative depth and the character depth on format challenging this is no use that instead of the challenge business I should bring it back we're just talking about form factors and innovation LG today release the specs for its new Optimus L Series to running such exciting division but I managed to track down some photos and they have like a rainbow color around the home screen and it could be rainbow we will basically have any of you guys around the hot button that's what I'm from say so you can have like a rainbow pattern you can read a yellow whatever else so that's the Optimus L Series to coming to them that we see it's exciting stuff yeah it's guys just I just want to say right now I don't want to be the guy who's like take photos and present to be excited about these things at mwc well you know I think we've kind of had a few discussions about this among members of the team of the past few days the fact that I think that this mwc with its kind of going in the same direction at CES right there all these men even the premier me the premier manufacturers want to have their own events to launch their flagship devices if we're seeing HTC do it later this month samsung obviously is going to do X sleep it last year and so so that they kind of opens the door at mwc for interesting new trends to emerge at CES one of those trends was the emergence of a Chinese players like hisense who are really trying to break in to the US market and my suspicion is that we're going to see a lot more than at at mwc I'm sure that huawei and ZTE are going to factor prominently into the narrative there we'll see I just don't see it as being a show for for traditional flagship launches anymore totally agree yeah I feel like well wins is a tea in trying to establish themselves sticking to the same pattern the one that this has a history and a track record which is again hit the baby shows hidden we bigger stuff so you know CSM FPC etc but absolutely the big brands the ones that feel confident in their own name and their own ability to attract press attention a breaking of I mean HTC the boss he is the maid mwc its absolute main event of the year fact it just come to the VC in the strongest possible fashion brought its finest devices it was the droid incredible to believe what the incredible 22 years ago and the HTC Flyer those are too weak devices I was just going to say I could I couldn't remember what was to pick up let's understand why people do you know so bad but fire like I think he was a big old chunky thing but it was super robust I know because I dropped it a few times it scratched it okay okay I mean fact I think we know that you know robustness does not make for a great tablet experience that's like what are the smallest factors when when that launched didn't it launched with like 2.3 yeah yeah I'm pretty sure did it you didn't have a honeycomb pain and anytime so innocent who were back then any time when WC two years ago we thought honeycomb was the tablet OS to have well outside of platform busy but it was like if you want android on sample you have to get high on the advocate for you yeah you're not even you're not even in the conversation without her name which is laughable to think about yeah where is uh we just discussed empathy right very heavy phone so so we don't have that one set up for it aside from I have the fortunes of those divisive gun yes each sees breaking off and now I'll be Brent we really have so many 80 g hang it up and LG is doing and the thing with pre-announced again pre-empting itself so glad Simon don't we see rose around everything you know geez what is going to be out in the open so already head is I guess French bread you know guys like Mozilla were doing keynote and maybe we'll see something on firefox OS made on that front yeah that's the thing over the next 12 to 18 months we're going to see this new a tidal wave of of players who want to break into the smartphone market in in weird or interesting waves right we have we have Firefox OS we have sailfish we have ubuntu and dividend selfish what happened with those guys they're there in the mix right there it makes please just just kind of nervously because we saw them have their launch event you can go to build buzz and zip silence is that I don't know haven't might be parts of the face of yeah we're just kind of well they have a trip to ship the product yeah right Portia right well not any fights have none of these guys ever is so that's what I'm saying I think that we're gonna see I don't even know I have no concept of how this is going to play out because it's kind of unprecedented in the mobile business are we have we have blackberry and and and Windows Phone fighting for third place but then right beneath them we have this this entire ground swell of of companies who are established and are doing interesting things in other spaces who want to break into the smartphone market and they're doing it with a business model that is fairly different from the bigger guys right because all of these all three of those platforms are are very open and very free and so I think I think that those are problem I guess is that those are probably the biggest threat to Android which is as popular as it is globally only because is it's free so it'll be very interesting to see what percentage of that end of the market those new players can steal in the next couple years and and you know which of them will survive side out that all three will you know a few carriers will throw their weight behind one or two of them and then the rest will fall by the wayside we've seen Firefox let's get some traction with I think telefonica and a bun to I'm sure is going to get some pick up sailfish is probably the the one that's on the bubble right yeah and there's also Tizen Tizen yeah i think you know Tizen of all of them probably has the most support from carriers and I know Samsung's been spoken of Tyson as well so yeah but but but the reason why Tyson has so much carrier support is because it isn't it isn't an operating system design for consumers it's not bringing system that's designed for carriers it's it's in in many ways it's the successor to the Lima foundation or limo or however you pronounce it where it's you know it's it's more about the infrastructure underpinning the phone and then carriers can do whatever the heck they want on top of it and really the only commonality between devices on different carriers is the fact that they can all run the same apps but the presentation of the phone the capabilities of the phone it very completely from carrier to carrier and you'll you know you'll just go to Vodafone and you'll get a you know a phone that's running Vodafone OS but really it's running Tizen Tizen isn't even I mean they're not even looking at tyson as being like a brand that consumers are going to write that be expected recognize yeah right because but with these day shows CSM wcd the only invitations were getting from tyson is like come be our executives well are you guys there and stuff but yeah there's no event there's no major announcement exactly chris says i don't think they care to make a good super facing pitch and to help the super patient brand which to me is usually seals the fate of this entire piece of software because in the grand history of mobile phones which includes epic such as snake and sake a precipice software mobile phone ever day has never been a good piece of carrier customization so well it's funny because career customized OS this this Tyson thing makes me think of what Verizon used to do with its feature phones and they all like you would buy a phone from verizon and every single photon the shelf rhian the same exact operating system that was like any was garbage it was well as terrible yeah and it was roughly like right those were flashlight yeah yeah I mean you probably know better than I do it so like what was actually running on them but like it was like you could just drop one phone and pick up another and yeah saxy menu enough it is a nightmare it is terrible yeah so it just makes me think that a carrier is going to do that but would like a line of smartphones it just right kind of glad that I there is it at least one exception to what you said I largely agree with you most carrier customization is complete garbage but the one thing that I've always enjoyed and t-mobile has never been keen on pushing it is t is t mobile's you ma whether you know you can just you know it pretty much any phone in their lineup I don't this is still the case but at one time you could buy pretty much any phone in the lineup and Blackberry Android whatever and connect to Wi-Fi and then you'd be making receiving calls with your number over the Wi-Fi network and not not using minutes and you know you don't agree but reception and it's great yeah I'm assuming that still the case I I honestly haven't tried it I i think it was on a per device basis it wasn't every device that supported it but it was like the you know the larger or more popular models and I know they pushed it on the blackberry models a lot for whatever reason that is a very good and very valid rebuttal Chris absolutely that's about the only example I can think of it as an assignment that I just thought I just want to point any I don't to return to the previous decade a bad exactly 10 years ago and all I can say is just as color screens are starting to come in we here in the UK when treated to some of the most appalling software from these carriers it was things like you put up the phone and then you have to go through this 15 second animation where you get one frame a second of the o2 bubbles bubbling up it was like you do it good this I mean and and Vodafone like well it's there's still like that you know like every time I'm in a movie theater and it's a big theater and it's packed and like you hear people start to turn off their phones and I hate to generalize it this way but it's generally older people who might be in the movie theater turning off their non smartphones and you hear this light like noise that's like obnoxiously loud and you know their screen is like lit up with some like bar animation from AT&T as it shuts down on a prepaid phone and it I don't know I don't know if we have any Tim and Eric fans listening but there there is an episode of awesome show that is about the shutdown animation and sound on cell phones where Tim dies and eric is speaking at his funeral and he goes to shut off his his Cinco cell phone and it like it takes like a minute and a half to shut down and it's this ridiculous song it's it's great but I'm guessing most of you have no idea what I'm talking about so nevermind I'm on your beat I'm on your wavelength there is a this is the season for us who got nothing to do is to NBC comes around well I can tell you what I'm doing I'm waiting for my nexus for charging orb to arrive because I actually had the ability to buy one this week which is like amazing out of the blue came out of nowhere Google throws this thing up for sale for 59 99 yeah cause like a billion dollars what why after shipping and tax it cost me $71 which is insane because it's generally like a magnetic puck that transfers power to my phone but its widest right yeah I mean it has to be plugged into something but the connection to my phone is Wireless yeah and I guess I guess compared to the the touchstone from Palm was like 70 bucks at retail but quickly went on the clearance shelf so that's when I bought mine but I guess it's a comparable price I don't know it's comparable to other qi wireless chargers i guess but just well it still just really bothers me that that Nokia's main uh she charging pad that they that they started selling in concert with the Lumia 820 and 920 isn't like really compatible with the nexus 4 um like and and Tom recently discovered this I believe may be watching the show right now but it tom has a nexus 4 and he probably as many of these charging pants actually and they did they they aren't really compatible with one another and and I she I mean that's not it's no longer standard right now the whole point supposed to be a standard yeah and the great thing about those no keypads is that they're pretty cheap I want to say that they're 39 bucks and for a long time I know if it is still the case before long time you get one for free if you bought a Lumia 920 on AT&T now correct me if I'm wrong the Nokia pads don't have any magnets in them right like you can't just put it your device on and it just stays there it doesn't get held in place or anything but you could get that they they offered them with a um what's that pillow company there's like a thing looks like a pillow that you could put it inside and then the phone rests on the pillow is it called fat boy is that it yes yes yes right I recall this you I think you you put the standards run a show to pad I think they should soak to those we chat for a discharging foods incident no it's uh no because I got sent the the fat boy and the the pad and like one end of the bat boy is velcro and you open it up and slide the the the charger in I mean maybe they sell it as a bundle but it's just the regular pad okay so with without the magnets it's like it kills the best application I could think of for a wireless charging thing which is in my car like when I had a palm pre I actually in mounted a touchstone charger in my car's dash so I would just get in my car died popped my phone on it and it would be held in place by the magnets in charge while i was driving it was the best thing ever yeah I think dieter would agree with you on that yeah he has talked about that that use case on many occasions shows not agree with any of that because I don't drive coupe how do you take the tube man like every time I'm in London like I go to get on on the tube and like that it pulls up to the station and people are like pressed up against the glass and like and and and half of the trains I mean like every morning every line has a different kind of train and like some of the trains on some of the lines are like only four feet tall I guess maybe because British people are tiny I don't know but like so people are like kind of like like bet over and like pressed up against the glass and it's like you you have to if you're if you're claustrophobic you would point literally die on these trains and even if you aren't you might suffocate so I don't know what you should find out why you have your face pressed up against the window that person has a newspaper in front of their face so it doesn't matter how busy it is somebody whipper and you sleep hey will be like a high-class bro she like God you I can nice Pig 7-under Financial Times something worth your time oh you'll be the metro it will be just the freedom it on the way you and I just be like this and then the top of the newspaper will poke into the back person in front of it and the person in front of them will get elevated by a soup pumpkin to back with it because i'm pretty sure complain about it and that anxiety and thanks is going to build up in them and then are going to move down with space opens up in the middle so then what you find is you get these clusters of people because completely jammed packed like sardines right next to the doors Watson you know jackass in the middle with his arms spread wide up with my dears just I'm doing this love jus experience oh joy the reason why you don't drive in London is because there's just too many bodies too many people here it's too much sure also there's the the congestion fee right yeah but you know we're rich people we meet Joey don't worry about that here we're all wealthy yeah we were we're a world empire at one point yeah I was so explosive that in some fashion or another I don't know what I'm just thinking we I'm go Gary I just the last time I was in London I must list almost missed my flight out of town because as in Canary Wharf and I I kept waiting for for trains to Paddington and like everywhere I had to connect I can't remember but yeah trains kept going by and every single one was like that it was like it was like a saturday morning at like 8am or something like where are you people going like you should be sleeping right now wait and they might even a full match because I said oh when things get pretty close it up just before we bring it back to some more sane topics I would just like to point out a major major flaw with the iphone 5 and any other devices using metal they feel like absolute hell were you trying to use them in the code because of the pic of the same temperature and you pick up the phone and you're like I just want to get something that I'm really quickly and put it back down because otherwise you have to a little tucked in under you sure and warm them up with somebody walk for something I'm really put up using guys on fire bro now because of his freaking metal surround and your three filament happening Lumia 920 you could wear gloves exactly that's yeah that is true I I have tried to swipe the iphone week comes on a couple of times over the past week or so and just yeah needed one of those little jig was like huh oh you need to get those a capacitive gloves man yeah it's a capacitive fibers I do have a pair of those but there i mean the problem is that you don't have the resolution on your gloved fingers to relate to anything anyway you know well i mean i went so banging out emails with it but you can answer the phone and right I I I didn't tell you guys I drop some serious knowledge on GM last week I I was at an event a press event for the cadillac ELR which is their new extended range electric it's like basically not scalable coupe and it wasn't the event was in Chicago and one of the journalists there asked the question can you use the touchscreen with gloves and and that the chief engineer said we'll know it's a capacitive touchscreen you can't get means to detect iron in the hands wait Cameron we sense um and then I actually piped in like I couldn't I I couldn't resist I pipe them like actually well guys synaptics has a touchscreen technology employed in the Lumia 920 that allows you to use it with gloves and they're like a you know but but the the long and the short of it is that I think I drop some serious knowledge on GM just wonderfully and you'll never be invited to a GM thing a very good hey whatever if I'm gonna drop knowledge I mean don't they want me there like maybe they would have never found out about these love compatible capacitive touchscreens had I not been at this event and now they know and so now when the next generation cadillac ELR has a glove compatible touchscreen you have me to thank i would like to point out a resistive touchscreen sighting I think we should keep track of those I addressed this since they're just completely go to the dumps ever since monkey abandoned them and finally caught up to the curve at capacitive bandwagon but I did discover one resistance of screen and it took me about five minutes to realize it was resisting it is like it's going to be such an ancient technology that you keep trying to treat it is like a capacitive or an optical touchscreen and you keep trying to give it your full finger and flesh whatever but no it was released it and the place where it was is in idea and love them so like here yeah I reviewed a sony camera a couple months ago I guess now that actually had a resistive touchscreen on the back and what was weird was the prior model of the same camera the prior version of a had a capacitive screen and then the newer version had a resistive screen and I was writing about how it was much less responsive without realizing that it was actually a resistive screen until later on nice I don't know why Sony did that but they do well that's soon for you nokia 5800 xpressmusic long live long live the 5800 is it to find about I tried to use it as my personal phone for an hour or two that's gonna say that gonna lesson love it early survive did you have the white and purple one from t-mobile no no I had I think it was all black and he was a you know an international unit yeah oh oh there's a better viewing and yeah so we can actually use that as a really good segue into locate moving past it's always because this week yesterday fact number februari was the two-year anniversary of monkey Microsoft hooking up officially I'm not be officiating to Windows Phone so do have any any thoughts of how this fun what were your well you're telling me is that it was two years ago that Stephen Elop jumped off the platform and he's still treading water hoping the world come and and pull him out that's what's happening right now he's probably getting a little cold he's running out of protein bars you know he's worried about the sharks that are circling and also there is still the burning plant form that could collapse at any second on top of them so things are not looking very good mr. Elop yeah I mean obviously they solve a long way to go if they want to survive you know we're starting to hear about this catwalk code name catwalk which is supposedly the the replacement for the 920 although we're starting to hear some conflicting information catwalk is definitely a code name for next generation nokia device the only question is what is going to be we're also hearing about this this tablet which seems an inevitability at this point that might be something we see at mwc actually yeah so yeah they have a few things going on but there's still no sign of what's going to be that blockbuster device that pulls them out of the the decline and really gives them something to rally around my focus is a vocalist advice is always the next one right that's exactly right yeah it's exactly right everything else everything else is a holdover until the next one yeah and you know Microsoft tom has talked about this many times Microsoft used to really kind of bizarre marketing and retail strategy for the surface that may have given nokian opening if they can do something if they can come out with like a really compelling looking device and sell it in all the right channels which I'm not convinced they can do but you know maybe that's an opening for them but but yeah they need to I mean hey that like excuse me like I said last week they saw the stake in inver too and they're doing interesting things interesting is one way to put it but if you're not you're looking for another way to put it is 10,000 others for and you doesn't think you don't boy like you don't blend in like in a 10,000 units bulk shipments that's one live us with a WVGA display look man look man I'm just saying Nokia's debt or I guess vertu i should say is definitely turning a profit on each one of these that it sells and and and nokia does still own a small percentage of virtue so so maybe they'll they'll get some some benefit from this but hey I you know what we talked about vertu I the last week of the week before and this story remains the same i mean at two vertues point the the typical virtue customer is not looking for a bleeding edge device they don't care about specs they just want something that that has some bling to it and costs a lot of money and virtue is happy to oblige oh and there's a concierge button that we talked about the the very important concierge button yeah that that takes up like 9,000 of the ten thousand dollars right you press the button you can ask for quite literally anything and they will including the weather help you the including the weather the ultimate weather app you know but it but if you're in midtown Manhattan and you you know you want to ride an elephant to your flight at LaGuardia I'm sure that the the concierge would be happy to yeah you don't you don't need ogre no you don't need nucor if you're if you're a baller you will ride an elephant by the way I just I literally just got an email from Microsoft that says fall for your Windows Phone all over again which I'm assuming is a reference to Valentine's Day I'm not sure they say that parents and kids love it discover new apps including chimp act and dictionary com those are the absolute they are letting chimp act chimp act and discovery not a Spotify which recently hit no there's Wiz tiles photofunia chimp act AE coin mania the path of Cara sleepbug and soundhound are the highlighted app so this is um this is actually some really handy consumer advice right now it is because you i would have never heard of CH impacts had it not been and then there are a couple videos highlighting features were like you know you can tap the phones together to exchange information and you can get a Bing lock screen so lots of exciting that news in the world of windows phone right now yay that's very exciting but actually I want to slink back to virtue so I can get a really nice segue okay because Kris was just saying about the idea of virtue owners be people who just want something exclusive something that other people don't have something that you can go to your local starbucks and put it down table and feel comfortable that you won't see a menu alc sable because nobody else is Nicholas II don't as you ah but oh well we here in thumb really worth it that's us that university logo not logo but motto for the dumb end or will be i don't think i would pick that up for me but it's fine and my Segway is actually we can bring this in to mailbox for iphone because there is this caricature of iphone owners being somewhat elitist which was brought to life quite literally with instagram situation when it's going to android look people freaked out were like oh no now the unwashed android users the joining our exclusive little communities etc so if this latest group those are actually exist discouraged did those actually exist mailbox is a perfect aplin because it has a massive waiting list at the moment which is reach something like three quarters of a million ah yeah this sucks where you guys still in it huh whatever man i I badly I don't know yet I I am in the cool club now uh and so I believe I got it yesterday morning my ticket finally came up so is it awesome ah so as far as an appt goes it's very well designed and it's very fast as far as an email processing thing I don't know if I agree with everything that is trying to do and it does this a lot of weird things that are like you know you if you're a gmail user generally are using gmail for a couple of reasons one of them originally was threaded conversations great spam reporting and then later on you know everybody or anybody with a brain adopted labels and muting and labels and muting are not supported in mailbox which drives me nuts because I label the crap out of things like every time that I get an email in thats related to mwc I give it an mwc label and I put it in that label and then I can go look at those later and see all my mwc stuff together well I think the prompt my guess is that it's not that they don't want to support labels but i don't think that labels are exposed in any way ah no because like Sparrow the old gmail app that everybody used to use before it got you know put out to sea supported labels no issue oh so yeah I mean that that supports full label so I can probably have an issue in the supporting label colors and here's a no as I am right the point the point was that i could look at an email in my inbox i could label it properly and then archive it and get it in my inbox right box and yeah it doesn't give me that option i can just get it out of my inbox i can they have like like mailbox has its own separate set of labels that it creates and i can give it one of those ah but i can't give it one that i'm using for my account for other things which is which is kind of crazy um otherwise it does like a lot of really smart things with your conversation view and it's you know it smartly removes all of like signatures and all of the others crap that comes in an email these days so when you're looking at on your phone you're only seeing the message itself which makes it easy but i don't know if it'll be something that i can use in the long term unless you know these features get added a future just clarify what i said its perilous for colors for labels but it doesn't immediately pick up the colors you already have when your gmail working which is one of the things that's a little bit about it but hey Sparrow is not part of Geno itself so we're gonna experience the benefits of those things yeah I mean if Google doesn't like take the basis of Sparrow and turn it into gmail for iOS I don't know what what they're high on because you know as great as the gmail app is now has been updated with lots of new features and things like that and supports a lot of functions like multiple accounts or whatever it's still a pretty crappy web app that reloads all of your data every single time and it just kind of feels janky doesn't feel like a native app where a sparrow felt great and was fast and all that other stuff so which in mailboxes and mailbox has no push notifications which is awesome well if I think that's fair enough but i'll actually grown used to the gmail app on iOS and i know it has italian promise that he can add and some of areas where you can improve which is the same thing said a different way but you know you sooner i'm using a daily basis and leg that says I feel like little things that mailbox does just a bit too much like I had to trust yet too much at I had me on the part of cool club but I saw Ellis's excessive hands-on with the application and those things like when you send it off we doing a set aside leave oh you can set aside let's say until tonight or until next week or until such a sub States and then essentially free delivers that email when you're ready to deal with it handle it which is fine i guess but it's also imposes on your paradigm behind the email on you so you either have to fall in love with it and really supports it all you have to go in the four other senses are thankful what's also just kicking the can down the road i mean at the end of the day you know yeah you need to deal with with email that the thing that I don't like about these these mobile email apps that are trying to do like you know innovative things with email handling is that that experience is not consistent across you're not just accessing your email on your phone you're accessing it on your desktop your left your laptop your tablet where ever and and then you know if you get used to say sparrow or mailbox or whatever then you you go back to gmail on the web and it's you know half of those features aren't there so that's something to consider I i don't know that i will say this i think that these mailbox guys missed a key opportunity to charge say ten dollars to jump the line i I think he's charged ten dollars for the app I think people would have bought it up hand over fist word that's that's true that's very true Hey Ya charge ten dollars for the app and then another tend to jump the line and it had a winner um but then we would all be complaining about the cost of mailbox okay they can't really win I actually totally rude Krista that would be and hey i don't think that opportunity is gone i need to do right now and just keep patting out a number like make it joining make it fit see thing you want to jump off a million spots fix books this is the books yeah and the fact that matter is there will be people who yeah I'm perhaps to do that and join that in the cool club hey as I am the famous iOS app I am rich sold like 10 copies and that was a thousand but so certainly an app that actually does something for fifty bucks with would solve you get these hey so did you buy one of those Chris did it die by um did I am rich no uh no I know I would not do that oh I remember watching the video of of crackberry Kevin buying like that there's there's a blackberry app world equivalent time rich I camera what's called it was a is a clock app that was like five hundred dollars oh that's right yeah I remember watching the video of him buying it and I was like oh Kevin don't do it there's so many other one just give me the five hundred bucks yeah like just donate it to charity do something but other than buying us at please but no you bought it see the thing with the the thing with the blackberry app is you could buy it with your Porsche p whatever black Murray and then you have the ultimate wasted money very very soon Portia yes yeah porsche a porsche owner would literally clock you in the face for saying Porsche I haven't had this I don't you know what I I'm not really too worried about Portia owners uh just because I'm not isn't generally not worried about I mean they're not the vin diesel's of the world that you know it's still fear into me know so it is your Porsche ona think we shouldn't be worried about you anyway yeah you did pretty well it's true but what if the rock drives a Porsche I don't know if the I don't know if the rock would really fit in most Porsches except for the big goofy SUV so yeah that yeah the Cayenne yes and and people who drive the Chi and don't know the difference between pronouncing a Porsche Porsche this is true you're here making some very valid points right now I think that is really through this free easy this is not the first time you said it's like it's like when I think when I think it's pathetic because you know there's some really great portion vehicles that are made and they're really awesome cards but what I think of is I think of the guy going through a midlife crisis you just got divorced and it's kids are in college and he's driving a freakin boxster which is like you know for sixty thousand dollars or whatever it costs to buy that thing there's so many other vehicles that you could buy that perform better maybe look better and are just like you know you're you're paying for that just that label that's all they're not for the performance of the vehicle or even even the Cayman is a better car hey then then a Boxster yeah I leave her I mean I've heard my niece is that the tesla model s smokes a Boxster like it is so hey I'm shutting up at that Segway was so good i'm just gonna shut up i'm a pre-soak about tomorrow s doesn't want to hear about it uh well you guys should have watched my spellbinding QA earlier today which was also hosted in a google hangout yeah it was it was cool the the only thing I can think of to really tie this into mobile is the fact that they're using an AT&T 3g connection in in the car which is okay except predictably failed on you when you were in the mountains yeah yeah well yeah first of all it's not LTE but then second well once we got into Big Sur which is no man's land uh all of our phones died nobody had any service and the the cars connection died and once that happened the navigation started kind of failing out like it we still had a route that we could follow but then we pulled over the side of the road and turn the car off and we went back in our route was gone and we couldn't get anything back and that the basemap was gon sit wasn't cashed so he had no navigation which is insane to me like the fact that they didn't plan for the possibility that maybe your connection isn't going to work once in a while so that was a bummer but but otherwise it worked pretty well and and obviously that the notion of having alive like continuously updating Google Maps instead of like the old school like DVD that you buy once here for two hundred dollars from your car company and then install in your car like it's it's a no-brainer is this isn't one of us also one of those calls within message 19-inch dash we would take for a free inside days on that yep it's a Tegra 3 in the center console and then a taper to powering the the instrument cluster is my understanding and the data you needed able to process without the instrument cluster well these are the cluster is just a big screen right that yeah yeah it's an it's an eight-inch tits I think it's eight it's an eight inch display in the the Senate for the instrument cluster and then ascend just find that really wasteful and electric raw I i know i think the chips so they're using the so you got a engine 19 inch or whatever display yeah second down power which is also shortening your ring right it's a totally valid point um yeah you know i need to bring that point up because in the united states if you don't talk about your age you pretty much weight electric cars you pretty much get in prison right nice talk about that it was keep up the old petrol guzzling industry going hey man too big to fail I feel as though Vlad has been personally wronged by the petroleum the Detroit industry hey nothing personal wrong but but you you live you live in the country of BP which is one of the largest corporations in the world you didn't grew it and ruined our beaches mind you yeah five years ago for whatever y'all do if you're going to indirectly accuse me for every single crime the British Empire this is a really long podcast uh yeah well so so interestingly the the Tegra 3 was not sufficient to power the the center console the there there is for whatever reason a full web browser built into the car and it really choked on the verge and other sites and the browser just wasn't that great i I think they probably could have fixed it through software tweaks alone and the software is still very early and they can do software updates over the air with the car so it you know I'm sure it's going to improve over time but the other solutions just throw more hardware at it so this is I mean that begs the question and I believe you brought this up in your in your report on it you know why is the browser there to begin with and yeah if the cars in I guess there's no there's no gearing in this based on on what you were saying in your report you just get in and go so you don't put the car in park or drive or whatever but the browser is always functional so while the car is moving why why I had the browser bill well there there is a park and drive but it's kind of like it's almost like what sort I'm looking for it's it's like a psychological thing almost like it's there just because you know you're used to having park and drive and a car but you don't you know you don't really need it but so so because of that I mean they can you know they could do it so that like you have to physically put the car into park there's like a little stock on the on the steering wheel column that's like a transmission shifter and you can put in the park and then I guess you could have the the browser work which would be great for Jordan one of our video guys who spent most of the journey from LA to San Francisco looking at advice mallards on reddit in the center console the car which is distracting now connect a lie but I do agree in general that that should be locked out I mean it's already illegal not mistaken in the US it's legal for any display built into the car to show a movie while the cars in motion I don't think it's legal in Europe but it's legal in the US so I think this is just a case and I mentioned this in the QA this morning I think it's just a case of regulations not keeping up with where the car companies are at specifically Tesla I think that you know it's just a matter of time for someone at the d.o.t wakes up and they're like oh that's not cool and then they'll ban it and it'll be gone but until they like even on a more most basic much more basic function my personal vehicle if the car is like moving or out of its park mode I can't even pair my bluetooth phone with a dash like I have to be in park and staying still before I set up the Bluetooth phone I can't do that driving stuff like that yeah yeah and I also mentioned that in the Q&A I think that the legacy car companies are really gun shy about regulators and they feel I think they feel like very like burned by regulations and so that they they that is one of the reasons that they roll out innovations very slowly and very deliberately is because they're worried that they're going to get their their wrist slapped and Tesla because they're new at this they don't have that natural fear so they're they're just doing lots of like crazy things with the interior of the car that that a company like like GM or BMW reporter whoever would not consider doing and and one of them is have a full web browser on a 17 inch display in the car waltz in motion because what happened on Jim no yeah you showed us in the video I believe there's a smartphone app for it obviously yeah so any kind of cool crazy stuff that Tesla's do in there that we haven't seen before yeah well it's um one thing that was nice we when we parked it in Morro Bay which is our stop on the first night there's like a sign in sheet next to the charger just where you write your name what kind of car you have and like any thoughts or notes and there were some notes that suggested that maybe there there might be some vandalism in the in the neighborhood so we were keen to use the app to verify that the car was still in the same place where we left it and and one that is one of the features in the app you can see like it there chose a just a google map with a pin where the car is so you can see how that would be super helpful if you part in a giant mall and you could remember where you parked it's very precise you know that that would be like the ultimate troll what in it if you park your your tests are there and you plug it in and then 10 minutes late like you're almost dead your batteries and what's going ten minutes later some would-be thief comes up and tries to rob it and the thing just dies out of in the middle it hadn't been charging that's exactly so it's funny you say that Tesla one of the things that tesla told us when we picked up the car is that it's it's like carjack proof because like you just like say okay you can have the car and then you let it drive like a quarter mile then you shut it down like scope I mean it's you know if you can't it's very difficult for somebody to effectively steal a model eyes so that's kind of sound like having a very odd sort of mobile pc which is also my excuse for us i should talking about this uh it has taken pre inside it has a battery inside it it's got a cellular connection it's extremely mobile yes it is very mobile for for 250 miles at a time yep right thank thank you Dan for making sure it's it's about rain but it is fighting it has like the violent gang is that it is very much like if you can cook a PC you took a computer let's say whatever definition want to give to the broad category of personal computing devices and then you put wheels around that are then put like Chris's a few crazy design students from another tooth company like Tesla that's what you would get some borrowers and again I guess the roasted to a certain extent but then that those are some basic most amazing which is kind of meditation so suppose needs to be something I was also invited about with the app discussion is also the nissan leaf I believe it's epic application from the leaf have this nice little function where you could turn on the engine early so if it's a season like it is right now it's freezing cold outside you could get the car warmed up to like five or six a.m. before you get a pen and then by the time you get into the car it's already free yeah the models can do that too yep now although interesting fact about that which I didn't know is that the like that the the ventilated heat is one of the least efficient things you can do in an EV and it drains the battery very fast so the the Model S has a mode you can put it in where it replaces some or all of the ventilated heat with seat heat and it does it automatically like it you know it automatically adjusts the the heaters inside the seat up and down to like match the temperature that you that you've set in the dash and then that apparently saves a lot of energy that way as opposed to just blasting the cabin with hot air hmm that is really Indian HD I didn't know that yeah and you know I the sensation isn't quite the same your face is probably still freezing but your hands are freezing on the wheel yeah yeah but if you can get another 10 miles of range out of it than what I could say is my tongue tip is due to doubles up a book that's what I'm calling it which is put a hoodie on top of a hoodie cuz I'm doing don't know you do your double yeah I'm your double back in it I like it hey I just want to do in terms of cultural impact you know particularly here you UK i know you guys in the USA association of you-know-who knees and Aunty and social behavior and kids kids acting out and I'll go to these things what happens when you worry too good it's like then people will be hey one he's wearing a goodie but it is another one is this is the second double blog to see like a demo agent I mean how do you react to that those just does the one hoodie cancel out the other hoodie yeah also how insane is this guy to worry like something bit more reasonable and what you need to do I think to complete the look you need to have you know you got to have like one foot in front and one in back and then that way you can kind of like pull them up like this and completely encase your head I listen okay all right why besides you're the poem set we have do on the front until the back yes yes accepting you can completely encase your head it's exactly like that Chris is no exact exactly you're right it is exactly like a sure I just like Sherlock Holmes hat it speaks your intelligence do you have your own ones do your own 1i showed up on set no yeah but I own about a dozen hoodies I believe it yeah Vlad Zuckerberg that's my middle name is revelation plate so do we have anything else mobile that we want to talk about the show today or we have like I'm going to our according to our topic list we have like 25 blackberry things to talk about well I mean this the natick which successfully though very well so I think that news is obviously is that Alicia Keys BlackBerry's global cream no so hey son of a moss summon from rights of it no that's that's that's huge man I mean that's big news I mean everybody knew this this was gonna happen right my best part of the story is not that it happened but that she blamed it on people hacking her Twitter I am and to post to post some Drake lyrics which I said knock you was hack you could possibly have it's like it's like the hackers were like we're going to we're going to piss off Alicia's husband Swizz Beatz by posting some drink lyrics to irk it's it's innocuous unless you're Drake like if it Drake himself hath Alicia Keys Twitter account then I mean that's kind of you know that's kind of a low blow oh yeah I respect nothing but respect for Drake I mean Yolo but but I'm just saying it could have been Drake I am drowning in this conversation I am nobody was going on the drink may actually be the leader of anonymous could be anonymous Chrissy you never know hey buddy has a name doesn't that doesn't that just disqualify you it's kind of like ever being married and being candidate for the papacy I by the time you get a name that's it too late Romulans that that was that was a very relevant an alum and as we're coming everything here it was a see some news that happened in the past mobile related chin gently mobile related not mobile related at all what is I we're going to judge otos freaking blackberry topics okay and conserve it and I will get back but it was actually quite hilarious and we can give people a little behind seems look in the European newsroom when the whole news about the Pope retiree came up we're like this massive massive news how do you write about it and every like sitting around for a good five minutes thinking is really solid angle to this because everybody is freaking out like Twitter is freaking out bc stride cover it but doesn't have any information it was just kind of love to because it's like messy breaking you used any like well actually this doesn't so it's a shame he didn't tweet that he was retiring yeah yeah you could have had to look lad it wouldn't be like bang bang bang yes yep would have had a new story but he did he even announced it and that's it you know you know you know hilarious actually is apparently the journalist to prompt the news broke it first because she knew that's it from talk about applying a niche skill in a high-pressure job whether you know it's like you break the news of the first pope retirement in centuries and centuries by using now Satan language oh sure it's a metaphor to do a sybian here that we could bring it do if we if we talk if we ever talk about symbian on on a verge mobile show we know that it's time to wrap it up that veg we are that should be our our benchmark once we hit symbian so I'm not note uh that was a crazy episode 35 this week I just want to say I like 35 next week's episode 35 is gonna poke it with soaks up because it actually come inside with HTC's event yes will actually have something new to talk about that will be officially off the record and you know we won't be playing the the rumor game next week I have I have the scoop on it it's the fire too the flyer too with two pens stoolbend's oh man that would that would blow my mind straight out of the front of my skull I mean how epic of a troll would that the way she did that yep dual pens that would be amazing like and they could they have some some play on s-pen I don't know what it would be exactly but they could do something clever or ask pens they could call it I don't know well like their branding is one x + 1 s + 1 V so so maybe at HTC one pen no to pen HTC to put yeah that doesn't like they need one pen to rule them all no I love that but yeah so uh yeah thank you guys for tuning in of course this has been the verge mobile show if you want to follow us on Twitter I'm DC seifert Vlad is vlad savov he will not follow you back and chris is e power and I dieter is backlog and hopefully he'll be with us next week uh and that's it thanks guys see in a week take a