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welcome to the Virgin Mobile show it is the first bubble show I am dieter bohn I'm that Sam oh I'm dan seifert i'm chris sigler and as you could tell from my ridiculous infection I've totally already it wasn't me no it's fine i roll with it just fine it is episode 37 we are not no longer on episode 35 congratulations to us it's the week of every teen and obviously there's only one thing to talk about the only important thing that's happened in the past week and that is that Google is finally released the wireless charging or it just released it in your room you know it was released last week we talked about last week but the important bit is that I have one now oh ok I can complain about it because I paid seventy dollars for something that I can't mount in my car which drives me nuts and so let me explain why I can't mount in my car because you're chicken so instead of using smart things like say magnets to align the nexus 4 with the charging area like say the palm touchstone did the nexus 4 has sticky pad on it which is like this rubbery kind of almost gelatin type of material that sticks to the glass on the Nexus 4 and it's actually pretty sticky when it's new to the point where if I lift the nexus 4 off of it the orb comes with it for like an inch or so before dropping slamming down to my desk but because it's sticky it also attracts dust like you wouldn't believe so I assume that the stickiness is going to wear off after a couple of weeks of actual use but wait are we seriously talking about you over right now yeah listen I mean here's the thing fair enough our first five minutes a dedicated not mobile topics anyway right we we don't like we give that time for anybody who's late who's brewed up a cup of tea that's right Oh like and trying to learn hook some brand of soft drink I'm I've been waiting to rant about this uh since like friday when i got the thing so i haven't complained on twitter I haven't really ranted publicly so here's my rant about it so that I can complain about it to people yes yeah it cost me like 70 bucks after tax and shipping and not worth it not worth it no I can't save us I mean I'm surprised they did the same thing with the galaxy nexus where it took them forever to come out with any official accessory were there any official accessories with the Galaxy Nexus was there was a car dock or something was the extended battery in the extended battery door oh yeah there was a doc too yeah but the extended battery was never sold in the US I think that was just in in South Korea um you know well the verizon one had the official extended be a verizon did I'm yeah sorry I always associate the galaxy nexus one I mean I bought one off of Amazon I don't know that it came from something sketchy in South Korea I have one um well is yeah it's only like it's an extra like two milliamp hours it's like this the most ridiculous extended battery ever made but anyway yeah there was a long delay between the release of the galaxy nexus and the release of the official accessories and they did they did the exact same thing with the nexus 4 and to be fair it was only in the last few weeks that the nexus 4 really became widely available but but there was still you know a pretty healthy nexus 4 ecosystem for the past few months during which nobody could get a bumper or a dock or anything so much i'm talking about the HTC while i was gonna say enough trolling let's talk about the HTC One the big huge launch event happened today we got amazing hands on we've got an interview with the CEO Peter Chou we've got reporting we've got the fold specs the full details we have basically everything you need to know as our story stream explains in its headline and if I don't even know where everything is to know about it having everything there is to know as opposed to everything there is one bit of trivia I can't tell you like what day you could walk into a store bought it that's fair okay there is one bit of trivia that nobody actually knows yet and because I'm kind of invented it over the past few minutes which is that we are running episode 35 which is our recurring episode in the Virgin Mobile show which coincide very 137 I declared it really I did um you just deflated Vlad I gotta kill Santa in his voice he's like really damn i'm sorry but this is episode 35 more heart anyway the point is we have this recurrent episode going on until we nail it until we're happy that we've completed episode 35 and HTC's kind of do the same thing with the recurring branding so there was the HTC One X and the 1s and the one sv and the YX + 91 XL and the 1v and the one something else and now there's just the HTC one so the company kind of is recurring what its branding also it was kind of hilarious that HTC was already buying up advertising just advertising HTC One which is the name of this phone yeah and a lot of people worm used by because last week's football soccer tournaments had that HTC One branding all over the hoardings around the stadium and everybody because of all the rumors no leaks that happened everybody was like well HTC is already pronouncing the name of this device Pizza ciao right he had this freak out like a week or two ago where he was waving it about say yelling m7m so I think that freak out hit the internet a week or two ago but i think was actually recorded late last year like it was a end of your company retreat of some sort Wow okay so she wasn't legs nokia stolen so it wasn't like nokia trying to leak things itself is a legit malik that one uh no i wouldn't say that I'm just saying that the video originated from the end of the year maybe it took HTC a month to we get ok well the broad point I'm trying to make it's not particularly strong one it's just that is we it's been kind of a funky old hood up to his phone AC hasn't helped itself with things like Peter Chou and all of that stuff happening and then today does the the combination for me was this simultaneous event which was actually two completely separate events yeah it just happened one in you of City one in London we presume and this is actually to BlackBerry's credit what they did simultaneous events around the world they essentially did one event and then just projected it on massive screens in satellite locations HD didn't do that HC had executives in New York City talking about the full features of the phone and they had exact season London talking about the full features of the phone it's just that London being at about 20 minutes after New York and it was a complete and that's a disaster for anybody trying to coordinate in tuna too yeah that was much different than we kind of expected we had you know expected seeing a live stream of one or the other because I was at the new york city event with her or New York team Vlad obviously you were at the London event yeah while we were communicating we were trying to tell each other what's going on and then it was just like nothing was lining up unfortunately I mean for the most part from my perspective you so weird because I was taking pictures and writing up announcements it I was like am I just echoing what Dennis said about 15 minutes ago well I you know from my perspective not being at either event it was cool to see the pictures flowing into the live blog from both event site I made a comment about it on Twitter just seeing seeing those two events happen and you know at the same time covered by verge staff was was pretty cool but I can see why that would be very frustrating to you know that the news is flowing at different rates you know I I pretty much just ignored what i was doing this is a good policy for life can we talk about the phone yeah we should talk about the phone so so yep I actually want to try had a Segway a legitimate Segway which is that the European device fled correct me if I'm wrong doesn't have any LTE is that right no it does yeah how does okay that's so I have no segue everybody all right so once I mean we need to run down the basic specs here so it's a 4.7 inch screen it is 1080p full which gives it a hopping 468 PPI and it's some variation of super mega mega super LCD I'm assuming no HTC has an isn't quoting super see this time but it is an LCD and yeah which is very essential quality CC has given every other feature a marketing term except for this screen just like what the most prominent feature on the device and if such as the most prominent is to me it's absolutely the best feature like I think it's right up there with every Super LCD HD SF before and I can't tell you in any way in which the one x is better than this display like the to me this is just here's the HTC One X to play it used to be a 720p display we just turn it up to 1080p like that's all I'm saying it's just a really really awesome explain to me yeah it's quite beautiful on the top and bottom of the display our speakers there are dual speakers and i believe the marketing term for that is boom sound oh yes you comes the boom Oh again I have to give a see really big credit for this not for the branding absolutely not for the branding but when I think about stereo speakers and I think about how you should do sound on the phone a real multimedia device this is it from facing speakers symmetrically placed no messing about like one of them is where the ear piece would be one of them is where the microphone would be and they just look good the functional like I think about like every smartphone that I've reviewed over the past you know whatever many years except for the iphone which has a downward firing speaker I always write about how if you put the phone down on your couch or on a table the sound gets muffled because the speakers on the back all right and this you know the the one essentially just circumvents that problem entirely by just throwing the speakers on the front which is great and you know when we got to see it and we got some hands-on time whether they're really loud yeah they project very well they you know put the sound right in front of you don't have to do the silly cupping your hand behind it to reflect the sound back to you so it does work pretty well I guess it gives you the boom and it's Beats Audio too if you care about that I guess uh so it's it's an all metal construction of course the displays glass and there's there's some plastic ring around the edge it's actually like they carve out the metal the same way you've seen metal device has carved out like the iPhone in the macbook or whatever but then like in that process they embed the plastic into it and then there's bands so that it does proper you know antenna stuff so you don't actually decide material we couldn't establish it when we had the pre briefing with HTC it's plastic even they win I sure is plastic because one of the suggesting maybe ceramic no I mean they may have lied to me but it's plastic okay but it's a very thin rail of plastic it looks fine it looks good it comes in white not black as long as it stays clean he's the only concern that I had when I when I was handling the device is because it's white and you know the One X was a white advice for its flagship version and that notoriously got dirty quickly so it would be pretty horrible if the white plastic on this got dirty because it's not a glossy plastic you know it's really nice upgrade from the 1x the camera doesn't protrude anymore now it's right integrated into the back show yeah and the dozen adjusting to the Cabal does i sent her around it's not i'm not saying it's fat i don't know exactly the thickness is at the top of my head but it's not nice nine point seven millimeters yeah i have a DNA here and it's virtually the same profile as the DNA well the protruding camera on the the 1x was functional right because you had the speaker on the back so i think that they needed to raise the phone off the surface and with this one they don't so it's a win-win yeah and we'll get into the camera but I'm saving the best stuff for last it's got a 1.7 gigahertz Snapdragon 600 processor which I imagine just flies on the benchmarks darkness yeah 2 gigs of ram 20 30 million battery 32 and 64 gigabyte variants and so like when you look at like the standard specs of a phone HTC is doing what HTC is always done which is like just we're going to have a hugely well SPECT phone we're going to play this and feeds game we're going to you know blow that out as much as we can and you know we'll see what happens this is the other thing with the galaxy s4 in a month but for now like is there another phone that has like you know so that our specs from in the stuff we've talked about so far HTC is always played at the speeds of frags game but in like actual real world use it has not always had the fastest phones so right uh it will you know we once we actually use the device for more than 20 minutes we can really say how fast it was I can say that in the time that i did use it everything was very snappy and very responsive and quick and fast and things like that i didn't notice any lag like I've noticed with older HTC devices so yeah hopefully the new processor along with the new software that you will talk about a moment and all that gobs of RAM and stuff like that yeah so there's basically like two more spec things to run through and then the software the first spec thing which I'm gonna mention now is that integrated into the power button which is on the top um dem days and infrared blaster IR blaster so they're shipping with this thing they're calling I think this is called HTC TVs i was called HCG whatever and it's basically like a rebranded version of the peel app but instead of having to connect over Wi-Fi or bluetooth some janky IR blaster control your media you can use it right the app you can pick your channels directly but it's integration with DVRs is sad and you know it's you know it's it's a pretty basic piece of remote software now the fundamental problem with this application and the concept of it I appreciate that HTC is doing this although it's it's really really hilarious to think that phones in the 1990s head IR blasters and now we've come full circle but but they're they're solving the wrong problem if you if you're looking at the industry as a whole that the correct problem to solve is the requirement that devices in your in your AV rack require ir control in the first place right every should be on a standard I mean everything is connected to your network at this point right your receiver your game console your TV everything is on your network everything should be controlled over over over Wi-Fi and and that that is where we should be going and we're it's it just sucks that HTC had to do this a lot it gets into the phone will she like HTC can't build a whole TV ecosystem writing they're not at all or not they're not even Samsung and so they gotta work with the stuff that's available to them and what fails to indy red fighters yeah my table runners like the average consumer that doesn't have a super geeky AV rig in their house has a motorola or scientific american cable box from their cable provider and that thing was designed in like nineteen ninety nine and it uses I arbol yeah it's not their fault it's just symptomatic of a AV industry issue that is is frustrating and I just have a couple of points to counter that actually the first one is having had some issues setting up my Wi-Fi situation over here at my new place I can tell you that just cramming everything on Wi-Fi isn't the very best idea in the world just because 2.4 gigahertz bandage is gonna be way saturated when you think about the fact that you know if you're an apartment building everybody has a Wi-Fi networking and everybody's TV has to hook up and everybody's forward everybody's tablet everybody's laptop then kids laptop etc etc so that's one thing the other thing is exactly what DITA was raising just a bit earlier these things already exist you know your cable box is already there your TV is already there yo maybe you have a VCR that you can't let go DVD player all these things already in place and I figure particularly here in the UK HT is already signed up virgin sky most of the content providers so they have all the program guides integrated into the app which is already on the phone and then you have the IR blaster just at the top of the phone you have the app which to go to control your TV to me it's kind of like there's no downside to this so oh it just it's a net positive even if you never use it it's a net-positive to have it there the only downside which are completely agree with the Turin is the power button should be mounted on the side this phone is too big for top mountain power button should have been on the side it should just had a little opening for the eye applause that's all I want yeah that I mean the same problem was with the I'm just talking to my level so if I'm too loud let me know but I was the same problem with the DNA I complained about it in my review you had to do this ridiculous claw type of grip in order to reach the top mount a power button so right alright so the the big thing is the camera the ultrapixel camera which shoots zoe's which is short for zoetrope and so we can come at this from a software and solutions perspective which is the direction HTC is hoping that everybody will see that or we can come at it from a spec perspective which I don't think HTC is afraid of the specs side but there is something sort of scary to the average consumer from there and I just get into it yeah so I think Vlad will agree with me here that as far as the spec goes I'm perfectly content with the spec well let's say what the spec is is it's a it's technically a 4 megapixel camera which is obviously a lot lower resolution that will you be see on most smartphones on the market today but there's this misconception and it's been talked about in cameras for many years now called the megapixel myth which just means that more megapixels equals a better picture and that's not really the case and in the real reality there's many more of the factors that go into making a quality image and one of them is the actual site physical size of the pixels on an image sensor so what HTC has done here is said we're going to use a sensor that has fewer pixels but each pixel is larger and therefore since its larger it's more sensitive to light and it's able to better capture light for a better color better low-light a better dynamic range all of those things that contribute to a better quality image and essentially if you are familiar with digital photography this is why full frame cameras take so much better pictures than your pocket pocket sized point-and-shoot cameras because their sensor is so much larger and it has larger pixels on it so HTC is trying to apply this to the smartphone own uh and if everything they say is true about it then it should lead to much more improved image quality which I'm perfectly fine with for mega pixels of resolution if you are printing a photo off of that you can easily do an eight by ten without a problem you can even go bigger if you're not pixel peeping as they would say so I'm not too worried about it but to your point dieter customers have been sold on mega pixels for many years now and seeing it on the shelf next to something that says eight or 12 or 13 or whatever it might be is certainly something that will and to be clear on chopper people to be clear if you if you're printing digital photos in your 2013 you need to reevaluate your life there are better ways to look at photos now then there were even five years ago and I don't know man Jack White disagrees with you well I don't listen to Jack White's music so no al Jack White's album from 2012 it's awesome just gonna say that I should listen to it but okay but this would be before move on to the software side which I'm sure dear is going to bring down for us I do want to give HC massive credit for doing what they've done here because yeah we say this on podcasts up and down the internet that companies should be bold make both decisions and stand out the unique things this is unique nobody has ever done this among smartphone or even feature phone manufacturers as soon as they were able to put the word megapixel on their cameras it's always been let's get the bigger number let's get a big enough is 12.1 free megapixels five min fiskars yada yada yada 41 megapixels so actually I want to talk about the PureView because everyone immediately is going to compare this to nokia's pureview technology for a number of reasons and because the average picture that you take with the 808 PureView is only 5 or 8 megapixels so there guys that's low resolution but in reality the way that particular sensor works is it captures 40 mega pixels or 41 or whatever and then down sample sit down to the lower resolution no in Canada study a yeah it cut just excuse me 38 right and then it down samples down to that five or eight megapixel final image which is a different approach than what HTC using right but the general effect is pretty much the same because right essentially you have this thirty eight megapixel 38 million pixels in a nokia pureview which are fit into a given space and then you have a smaller number of pixels four million pixels in hcs sensor which again fit into the given space and i think they're the same synthesizes but now the general point is that you have larger than average sensor sizes and you're taking all the information all the lights information as Steve Jobs used to say it's all about the photons man and no keys doing you know arithmetic and algorithmic work and all of this calculation where is a she's kind of brute forcing it say we're just gonna make big pixels absorb as much light as we can but the ultimate effect is the same both of you have deliver better low-light performance than most other cameras and the thing that I would say is I'd rather have a really high quality four or five megapixel photo and then take my chances printing it that have like a 12 megapixel photo from you know south of the let's say Sony sensors which kind of rubbish from like 2011-2012 right like 12 13 megapixels um you know I'd rather not have that I'd rather have a smaller one that just gives me higher quality and then an idea with the sensation so he had a I'm talking there's there's one of the spectacular spec not know I'm gonna get there I would kill you guys be the best I love you so much uh the other thing you're gonna say is that it's optically stabilized David's to a botanical stabilization which also helps with low light so HTC had a you know a meeting with a whole bunch of a tech journalists to talk about this I was there and they they showed a chart where what access was the overall area of the whole sensor and the other axis was pixel size and you know you look at most smartphone cameras and you know when you start getting up into the 8 10 12 megapixel especially those higher megapixels 13 you get these really tiny pixel sizes on the sensor that you know they argued like getting down to the point where like the actual wavelength of light makes it so that it can't capture an image whereas this sensor the pixel sizes up in the point and shoot range and it also gives them other benefits so having just a 4 megapixel image instead of an 8 megapixel image since there's a couple things one they there's less processing that has to happen one because it's smaller but two because there's just less noise and less sort of interpolation that they have to do from a whole bunch of sensors catching the same light and trying to figure out what where the pixels are right and then so that the the smaller size and the less processing means that they can take I don't think they're using the same image chip but they can take their image processing chip and do more interesting things with the images both in terms of you know getting low light shot and processing it but also this new feature that they're introducing which they're calling Zoe yeah I can talk about Zoe too if you want since chris is gonna say something Joe yeah was like this perfect moment where all three of you was gonna say something and because Chris seems to be generally more quiet and forecasting ya wanna hear what he has to say I was nothing it was the moment is lost but but please don't tell us about Zoe what is what is Zoe theatre so basically like a lot of cameras they you can you can do their first shot so you hid the camera shutter button and it actually captures a little bit before you hit it a little bit after you hit it but what HTC is doing is that it's dual path encoding so when you do a Zoe picture it's actually encoding the light twice one is a short little movie so at four seconds long and I think it's technically like 3 point something and then it's a couple seconds before you are a couple tenths of a second before you hit it and 10 seconds after it's done somewhere in that range and then at the same time it's recording a burst shot of the actual images and the net effect is you get a short little for second clip and you can take you know any moment out of that clip and pull an image out of it as a still that is like full fidelity you know not blurry not crappy looking it's not a it's an actual still image it's not something that it's pulled out of there and so the net effect is you can instead of you know taking a picture if you've got some kind of action some kind of thing going on you can take a Zoe and just record the little for second thing and then pull what you want out of that as appropriate and then the other thing that they're doing is and this I'm less clear about but they're they're making they they take the event galleries that automatically get created and then you can automatically make these like little 12 minute movies that are like short little automatically cut and click and transitioned things it's you're still photos in your video with vintage filters with vintage filters yeah I think they've got six they've got like six different tracks that automatically like put the filters on it so I mean hopefully they'll be expanding that soon but I mean I'm interested to try this new way of taking pictures so the thing is that confuses me about Zoe's is that there's other phones on the market that do this you know you've got the blackberry z10 that will shoot a string of images in a row almost like recording a video and then you can pull the good one out of that and I know there's other phones that do that another software that does it but what HTC is trying to sell this as are like short video clips right that you know these zoe's essentially if you're not pulling a still out of it you're making a Zoe and it's this you know new short video clip it's not a cinemagraph it's not a vine it's not these other things that we kind of have been blowing top of line let's be honest is half a fine but and then you know so it's this proprietary format and then to share it I got mean it's not proprietary it's the get saved as a standard like MOV file I think okay well that's fair but what so when I want to share it though I upload it to HTC servers is that correct well you can upload it to YouTube you can upload it to Facebook or you can make this automatically little generative in yet and you can upload that or you can upload it that little vignette along with up to i think it's ten of the associated assets from the gallery so like the vignette plus like 10 photos so let you make a cute little gallery you can upload that to HTC servers but HTC apparently doesn't want to be in the business of storing your junk forever and so uh when you upload it that it only stays there for 180 days which it's just like I would never like if I'm going to share something to my mom that you know is a cute little video clip at some pictures the idea that I would put it up there and it's not going to be there in 180 days not gonna happen not gonna do it I love how DJ's webcam kind of shakes the more outraged she is disappointed it is about things so I mean I obviously this is an android-based device uh and we don't have things like vine which is you know blowing up but when vine eventually does come to Android why would I use as le instead of just shooting a lot well because you can you can get the shot of your child's first step and if you happen to miss the shutter button you'll have the little thing I mean HTC's an argument and I mean take it for what it is is that you know most people when they shoot movies on their phones kind of suck at it most movies on phones are really boring but when you you know you're limited to this little for second clip you'll catch something interesting and they argue that like they can put these things together and make something overall that's compelling even if it's from you know a relatively boring day hanging out that's their argument I mean if you think about vines and the fact that most people's values actually consists of multiple little clip so like they'll hold it there hold the button down they take like a three second thing and then add a free second thing and then combine them and try and do something crazy for that I think HTC's going after the same thing I need to correct d2 sa sit three second clip that you get from the HTC One camera nota for a second one it's like a half it's like three points yeah I think it goes point six seconds before you hit the shutter and then three seconds after so no but I think before each other didn't what does the thing before you hit the show you get five frames just being shot and then 15 frames after you hit the shutter but that's one thing that's the full res photos that's one recording the other recording is the extra 1080p video which is happening as three seconds it's three seconds you get point six before and point three after so it's 3.9 seconds in total so I'm going to say I'm okay at calling it four seconds then having misinform then I apologize you've been sliding an adverse information yes I'm underselling HTS product but yeah I think HTS going after the exact same parameters vine which is again what d0 saying is just short little bursts which when you put them together makes to me it's kind of like a video collage or like a stop-motion animation with more animation in it I guess it's something like that I mean really I I like this software edition for the playfulness and the toy factor of it really right so you get the phone you have automotive media capabilities to playback movies and music and all about stuff but that stuff you've been able to do for years now your phone so that isn't brand new this software suite in this camera sweet gives you a new way I mean is such a type marketing cliche but to be creative right it actually lets you do stuff that's creator than another thing a lot of creative people do say that the fun of creativity is in the limitations yo yeah just being able to shoot video gets boring because it's just so expensive and there's too many options and you don't really know what to do but if you if you're told ok you can shoot free clips of 3.9 seconds and then stitch it together into this epic 11 second 12-second masterpiece what's the best you could do you have limitations you have kind of a sett framework and then you can work within that and play with that but ok having said that I do still get this video and and I am one of the biggest fans of the design of this phone as well like I really like the hole 0 gapless HC causes physical design optical bonding of this plates etc as usual people think I have a fetish for this but if this was four point four inch phone a positive married to buy now but the travel is ok you have a great design you have this great new camera sweet you have the biggest speakers ever fit inside a phone early is still just another Android multimedia phone booth had these already you know we've had cuoco phones we had 1080p phones I just don't feel excited I don't feel like I'm really getting that much knew why i think that i think that smartphone fatigue not an issue with this phone in particular because true what hey yeah i don't know what HTC could have done today apart from show me a Nexus device that would have yes no brought me the same level of joy that the that the original iphone or the nexus one did well it's interesting that you mentioned smartphone fatigue because i know you've talked about this before Chris but one thing that we noticed during HTC's presentation today is that all of the specs that we've been talking about were not mentioned during the presentation we didn't hear 4.7 inch 1080p display with us that's a good point yeah we didn't hear Snapdragon 600 quad-core processor with 1.7 gigahertz clock speed and two gigabytes of RAM I don't recall hearing a single speck period the only spec they really talked about was saying that it's all aluminum and then they just talked about the actual features of what you could do with the device so it will be interesting to see how that plays out this year with other events but certainly in the past you know we've seen Samsung shy away from talking about specs obviously Apple has never really focused on specs with it wait wait wait samsung Shen away talking about specs well features and specs are two different things right the galaxy s3 event was all about you know smart stay and and stuff like that it they they put far more emphasis on that than they did on the actual like line items facts of the yeah oh no what you you get you guys have the 01 make the phone do what it does you guys have a very selective memory because I remember saying I was there with a samsung galaxy or what I remove it I remember seeing people to say doesn't that noise make you want to go to the bathroom that's what I remember from Samsung's Galaxy s3 event okay no no seriously samsung had one probably like biggest screen in london inside a dome it was like a 60 no 60 feet no it's all just a massive massive screen and I put up every spec and feature began as his free up on that it was just the stray bullet point list it was like GLONASS gps bluetooth 4.0 yadda yadda yadda which also reminds me um the HD one is one of the first phones with 802 11 AC so yes hot news for router fanboys 802 11 AC connectivity is ready to be used so I want to make a point that I think we should come back to and revisit but it's really important to note that we are talking about HTC and we inevitably ended up talking about Samsung and that's happening to them again because there's going to be a new samsung galaxy s phone flights your phone probably next month are announced next month but before I get into that whole discussion of are they actually to be able to sell any of these damn phones we need to talk about the software we need to talk about the new sense since five although i think newson is just calling it new sense when she sense don't say this i'm fast oh sorry I just can't believe that nobody in there marketed team was like what if we say this fast air what does it sound like oh it sounds like nuisance which is something that we've called sense not in not so many certain terms for years so I'm sorry HTC but new sense is not a good name so ah the new sense is just like the old sense I asked specifically if they had taken out any features and the only feature I think they actually took out was the thing where you could set the phone down on its face to silence the ringer because or you could lift it up you're going stick your phone well and plus the speakers are on the front now so it doesn't make sense to do that functionality but like you know all the you know integration with social networks most of the widgets not all of them they killed a couple you know that's all there and it look and feel is a bit better they got rid of the annoying tabs at the bottom they switch to the hollow pivots they toned down the gradients a tiny little bit but not all the way and they they redesigned all the icons uh ACC tells us to know he touched every single corner I mean we'll see again yeah but the icons are 2d now right instead of 3d yeah yes they're like less problem yeah the cartoonion isn't on that subject you just want to say really quickly the new icon look is apparently very much in the Styles crow who's the lead designer for hcc i don't know what that tells us other than he was allowed to change the icons and anything of actually poor Skye Croyle has absolutely fantastic taste in Footwear may I say I've actually had a conversation with mr. Coyle about issues in the past so poised today Chris turquoise in oh yeah he even wore turquoise shoes to the mwc announced for the 1x last year too I don't know if that's a running theme for him or what I don't think they were literally the same pair of shoes but they were closed ya wanna wear the same photo shoots why is that really slowed down about these turquoise shoes because Chris is wearing them too so I've been avoiding saying the most impelling our new shoe conversation anyway I've been avoiding talking about the most important feature on the new sense which is blinkfeed they have replaced your homescreen they've gotten rid of the flip clock place with a more generic clock and they basically put Flipboard on your homescreen and I don't know if the people that are talking are visible but Vlad's jaan is pretty amazing right I'm just getting comfortable so I can have a nap while you talk about this nonsense so the idea is you at your home London you have a feed of snackable content uh you know your news feeds and your facebook and some Twitter stuff and it looks like Flipboard relatively pretty it's relatively fast doesn't work offline which is kind of stupid but it's like it's not a tool you can't use it as a google reader replacement or Twitter client replacement it's just like a thing that HTC put on your home screen so that when you're standing in line at the grocery store you've got something to do for a couple of minutes and I mean I really wonder what you guys think of it because I like I'm literally holding two thoughts in my head at the same time and like seventy-five percent of me says oh my god flipboard on my home screen and twenty five percent of me says uh yeah look my way home great now that actually because here's my thought on it and if you're the type of person that's going to open your phone up at you know while you're standing on line at the grocery store to read something chances are you're already getting information from Twitter you're already getting information for facebook you're already getting you're probably doing some sort of arias RSS or google reader type of thing uh and this is kind of pulling in all that same stuff right so if you have a twitter app that you'd like to use and you check that you check it you look at it and then are you going to say the same see the same stuff on your your blinkfeed I guess extend with all your other stuff so it's like you're reading the same stuff twice or if you have an a Google Reader account set up and you're looking at your google reader articles you're going to see the same type of articles again in your place without a way of marking them red so if you see it up and then you go back to your google reader it's not marked as read so you're seeing it again so I mean it's just well you're not the target market for them no I'm not but I'm trying I'm trying to put myself in the mind of someone who's going to use this where's your placement you you you just have to kind of let go not meant to be a full tool it's like a thing to do it's like it's like flipping on the TV you know you're not like you're not sitting down to watch you know your your binge of you know West Wing on netflix and making sure you're going through every single episode you're flipping on the TV seeing what's on you get bored you turn it off like that's what it's meant to be versus if she sees this is HTC's way of saying that our way of doing things is better than you the users your way of doing things because if they if they wanted to respect the user they would have made blinkfeed a widget that you can put on any home screen panel you want but instead it is now the home screen which is I find in terms of an android device I find that offensive I mean we've seen widgets like this fail spectacularly right right and another like they're going to make it a home screen widget have it be successful they needed they need to make it look they need to have a control the whole screen right it needs to be that Flipboard experience where it's you know edge to edge not in a stupid little border so I kind of get what they're trying to do it you can click a checkbox to make it the classic android home screen your default home screen when you hit the home button oh god we haven't talked about the buttons compact that but like the report that I wrote was basically I take HTC is taking two giant risks one is the camera I think we're pretty positive about that we're at least happy they're taking that risk and two is this differentiation blinkfeed and like it seems like a fiasco to me that I want no part of but there's like a tiny part of me that says maybe but listen listen and I just thought I just want to point out where this thing just goes wrong for me and I'm reminded of Timescape so Sony Ericsson's android phones blur skate I love how we're just bringing up like old really bad android customization skins the trouble is I have yet to see any one application nevermind a phone manufacturer whose strength and specialties hardware anyone application aggregate all of these things successfully everybody has ambition I mean it might be one of the most commonly attempted and absolutely one of the most commonly fail things in mobile software aggregating news social feeds and maybe like emails and lots of things like that I mean it's it's like something that windows phone is it's essentially built around with the People Hub and that we all know how well that works to replace your but everybody's trying right because with iOS series trying to do similar things where the loads you two things Google now is trying to similar to do some of the things we're gathers information it thinks you're going to want to leave aggregating information in an intelligent way in a way that you find helpful and useful more so than estamos a just jumping into twitter is just jumping into a discrete application in question like your email client for example is really really tough anyone know I want I want I want to express the there's a couple of things I want to express that's different about blinkfeed than what we've seen before him and it's funny that you mentioned Google now because Google now is very different from blinkfeed in that blinkfeed is just purely for entertainment sake whereas Google now it's going to give you directions it's going to give you whether it's going to give you you know local things nearby that you can check out and and your calendar and all that other stuff blinkfeed doesn't do any of that and a lot I've heard a lot of people compare blinkfeed to Microsoft's live tiles because it looks very similar but in reality it's not it's not giving you email notifications it's not giving you messaging notifications not given you missed call notifications it's just giving you entertainment as you think big priorities when the thing for me priorities were the thing for me so ok you might blinkfeed and I'm supposed to trust you because as you say if you're going to replace at least part of the Twitter app or the emo apps functionality or your newsreaders functionality you want to trust whatever you're placing it that with that is better so I'm supposed to trust you but at the same time you have no way no hierarchy for the information that I want to see so I asked about things like what if what if I have calendar that's coming up are those go to float to the top of the blinkfeed what if I have important emails coming up but those going to come to the top and this is the thing we have alerts we have all this incoming data and information that Android just provides to HTC why isn't that integrated into the bling feel like I'll find it so much more useful you know to unlock my phone and to say oh here's the news but then they actually do have some alerts and some meetings coming up which I need to address first those things aren't surfacing they are coming up and that limits the usefulness of it where is it it's trying to be kind of universal to you so here's here's how I see it HTC is screwed right there tenth place in the global smartphone market I don't know mobile global mobile phones phone market excuse me they they can't spend as much money marketing a samsung can they're not Apple and they had you know on the software side they had two choices they could go the standard you know stock Android route which they seemed terrified him do it it wasn't chosen this is thing no no I'm not ter man but the kid they couldn't go the standard stock in a row because they're afraid of Motorola because Motorola's going to do that then they won't be differentiated from Motorola so they had to try and push forward a sense and they believed that sense is great okay whatever so in order to make sense of real differentiator that people care about they have to provide a tool that people actually need that they can't otherwise get and the tool of giving me crap to read when I'm waiting in line like that problem has been solved very well by a ton of apps so the only real thing they're fixing is for the few people that don't know how to find Flipboard and the few people who don't want to have to hit the home button and then hit the Flipboard button icon like those are really small problems and so that's that's the thing is like the if you're going to differentiate differentiy in a way that actually matters it solves a real problem not a fake problem and then like I'm he merely agreeing with you Vlad that like think this is a version one of a thing and they're promising that they're going to make it better and they're going to add algorithms and blah blah blah and they're also promising they can do it off of the standard rom update cycle they can update it directly but until they do this is like a feature that I'm like only a tiny part interested does the thing this thing that's a great point actually that you're raising this is a version one this is the horrible thing in the horrible situation we face ourselves as smartphone buyers when i get a version one of something i know for a fact that i'm not going to get version 2 in amongst I've version free in like three months time I'm not going to get the deterioration speed or something like Firefox which is reached you know between seven versions over the past 10 weeks or whatever you get version 1 of something on your phone you're stuck basically it's like version 2 is gonna come next year and the next year I have to buy the other new phone yeah so perfect this we would judge this so much less severely if we could trust HTC to just iterate like crazy on this and innovate until here's here's the thing like if all those things that you are asking for Vlad of your calendar notifications and things like that Google provides in Google now so and google has been updating google now acai outside of rom cycles i mean the google search blinkfeed can be updated outside of rom cycles it's just trust h she'd actually do it exactly Google's already doing it and has done it and its extended goals now now's functionality HTC could have just you know integrated it or if they were you know daring enough to actually launch a phone supporting android 4.2 let you put the stupid google now widget on your home screen ah but you know the it's not doing that and now we have to rely on HTC who doesn't who designs hardware more than software to update the software I just thought I just want also add the extra notes about sense because like the same way I did an interview with Peter channel today we spoke about that first of all I am a basically lost hope like if you if you if you're hoping for an HTC made 4.3 inch device who stopped Android please just stop hoping so just just kill yourself learn about learn about albert camus a french philosopher french-algerian philosopher and absurdism and learn to live with that hope that is the best advice I can offer you we got a deposit though ok very very pity but essentially to Peter Chou sense is really important to the company because the company needs to differentiate itself and he says and I don't agree but he says you can't build things like blinkfeed without sense I don't see why you can't and you can't build things like the camera experience without sense I don't see how sense facilitates the camera app I think those innovations can be done in a standalone fashion and put on top of stock Android or just take Android and customize it less but the company just resolute and determined to be different for different sake and I think yeah well I mean we need to be clear that sense sense applies to all of their software customizations all bundled up so it's it's more than just a skin so when he says you can't I do the camera without sense like that's like like the semantics her that you know pedantic reason is I like that part of their overall branding for all of their customizations but yeah I would like to see something I what I would like to see is HTC have the confidence in its own software and offer a stock rom download on its developer site and I will void my warranty to go get it and I'm sure that it costs a bunch of money to develop that but if you think that senses the bee's knees give me the choice not to use it and see what I do and that's it that's the thing that I think you know the people that are really into HTC's devices and are really excited about this particular one etc are the enthusiasts they're the people that are most likely going to take that device and customized the crap out of it so you know that's just like throwing them a bone and it gives them that halo status among you know the the geeks that they can be like I love my HTC and and you know go tell everyone else to buy it and instead we're going to happen yeah they need to move beyond that crowd though if they're gonna be successful like I mean but just like it's not like what's a halo through though it's like it's like when you think of like a car manufacturer has a halo sports car that very few people buy but the people that do buy it are influential and they influence and that whole that car right they only sell a handful of units of influences the entire line down but so blinkfeed isn't about those power users at all HTC knows they're not going to get them to care about blinkfeed they're gonna install rom or they're going to click the checkbox get the default home screen what it's about is the store shelf experience they need to have people walk into a carrier store and play around it to go like this is cool that's what the old flip clock did back in the day was about the store shelf experience though that's what blinkfeed is now if I'm Peter Chao I could give a good goddamn if people use blank fleet a month after they buy it if it gets him to buy it that's good enough so let's talk about these buttons yes somehow we miss this in discussing hardware but it kind of relates to software anyways cuz as use it but I so HTC's last year used three capacitive buttons on this device you have a back a home and a recent apps or multitasking k depending on how you want to call that but this year it's only got two buttons and the one that's been axed is that multitasking key uh and HTC claims that the average user doesn't care and doesn't use it and doesn't want to use it and isn't aware of it and so they've buried the function under a double tap of the HOME key which is located on the right side of the phone just above that bond speaker and the back button is on the opposite side on the left side so they've Barry they've buried multitasking under double tap and they varied google now under a long press the button which is any button appears at the bottom of the screen by default but you can turn that off and make a long press the back button toggle the menu yeah so you can you can get open up all these long press options which are like the way to bury features that this is this is why if you want users to not care about multitasking this is how you do it you just hide it from them and not so here's here's the thing HTC's not wrong that most users don't care about multitasking them probably not but at the same time like if it's there you know they're gonna hit it and they're gonna see it and they're going to see what they can do with it and if they bury it under a double tap of something which you know how many people are really going to figure out that a double tap of the button launches this then they're never going to use that feature ever and this is perfect evidence from our point about a she wants to be different from for its own sake the most us can overview the visual multitasking is different again from last year yeah the last year it's way better it was some sort of three-dimensional card system where you slide left and right without words or inertial scrolling ever right now it's nine thumbnails and you can swipe up to dismiss them yada yada yada it looks like it looks like the Nokia headlines multitasking right but it's just nine and there's no option to just shut down all of them at the same time itches again it's there it's in the freaking stop Android you take good software and you destroy it you take things away you use you you slather on nonsense on top of it I feel you know illnesses on the stock android there's no dismissal number one number two I can only see three and a half apps on the multitasking button added there's no dismissal installed android no no not for all of the apps you can do one by one obviously but ok well then everybody else has been doing I guess it's being password I take that back I'd say that back okay but still to me it's it's it's like I'm seeing all these changes I'm seeing all this work I people have got into the office spent time doing this and I just feel like this is not what you need to change about your phone from last year this is not the reason you have me selling phones as Samsung has been seven phones and that's where we find ourselves well it's it's interesting you know I I'm railing on this this two button layout pretty hard ah i really want to use it in an actual work flow and see if i can live with it because for the i mean the fact of the matter is I use an iPhone often and that only has one stinking button and I have to double tap that to open up my multitasking tray or whatever as well so you know I could be making a big deal of nothing but I do like that multitasking button on the old old phones so and you know where I'll this thing is double tap the home button is the gs3 yeah yep this thing is getting released in the it's getting every something like 180 carriers worldwide 185 185 in the u.s. is getting released on AT&T t-mobile and Sprint but not verizon sorry verizon sorry HTC oh yeah sorry sorry verizon has nothing to do with that this was verizon's decision i was saying so for sorry verizon users that want this phone yeah did the real story is sorry HTC that it's it's being left out of big red yeah so I mean yeah it's just terrible I don't add any egg they can't catch a break right like they have no leverage with with verizon and it's just you know if they can sell a bunch of these phones on other carriers and build the brand the way that they didn't in 2012 maybe they can you know start to get horizons like yeah sure will carry it what the heck give us a droid 2 but you know give us this but until then Ike I don't know it it's basically kneecapping them from the start at launch it should be coming out of march and the dates are kind of fuzzy i think but the other thing that's kneecapping them from the start is just like last year there's gonna be a bunch of people that are gonna be looking at this and waiting to make their purchase decision until they see what Samsung has on deck right that's chris is key yes well just to wrap the discussion on with with verizon i mean let's not forget the fact that the droid DNA just came out like a few years ago so HTC is still on on a cycle with them it's not like they're getting shut out of verizon and I think that verizon is just kind of like continuing to exercise its extraordinary purchasing power on on om so that can't afford to standardize across the range HTC included so um you know I don't know the the the droid DNA is a good phone right like I do I mean dan I think that you may be the only one among us who have used both do you have an opinion on which one you'd rather take home uh the one versus the DNA yeah I would rather have the one just because it's slightly smaller the DNA is very frustratingly large uh and the 1i I do like the aluminum chassis the DNA he's got the soft touch plastic but I like the aluminum body on the one and obvious the the DNA has last year's camera technology and the one has this year's camera technology etc so yeah III think as far as a device goes I would go with the one over the DNA it's fair sounds prudent but yeah but this this gs4 room or so eldar murtuza nor have you pronounce his last name i'm sure i'm pronouncing it incorrectly and I apologize eldar if you happen to be watching our show you probably not he he has a long long long history of of breaking news and also spreading incorrect rumors to be very blunt going back to the early Nokia Symbian days back when it was still at 60 and so he tweeted yesterday morning think it was yesterday that that there would be a big event on March 14th didn't specify Samsung didn't specify gs4 just said there was gonna be a big event on march 14th and that was going to kill the HTC One basically and Sam mobile which is a site with a pretty good reputation for Sims on leaks posted about that tweet and then followed up saying that they had confirmed that that would be for the gs4 we did a little research on our end talked to some sources who have a very good track record and and they basically came back and said yeah that's definitely the date March 14th it's going to be us event and which is interesting yes it is the last event was in London so it's in the US this time around and and yeah it kind of I mean it may be a coincidence it's hard to tell how much industrial espionage is actually going on here but it does suck for HTC that this phone is being announced like literally days before the one start shipping around the world the timing couldn't be worse for them that is of course assuming that the date doesn't slip it but as of right now 314 is looking like the date to watch but you don't know anything we don't know anything about it that's that's the other thing to know when we uh we know that it's going to be another very feature heavy announcement and Vlad and I were debating about this earlier about just out feature heavy the gs3 announced was I thought that they put a lot of emphasis on these weird like gimmicky features as much they always comes to mind and and and our source says that with the gs4 it's going to be even more pronounced it's me the biggest leap in feature set since launch of the the Galaxy S series and bigger than the the Delta from the GS tooth to the gs3 and then we also heard that the phone the phone's industrial design would mirror that of the note 8.1 Elite recently which is samsung's new midsize tablet that we're actually expecting to see debut at Mobile World Congress next week I think think that's going to be Samsung's big announcement they're so that the final ID for that product that we see next week should give us some hint as to what we can expect to see with the gs4 in terms of ID but that's about all we know I mean I think that 1080p is obviously a very safe assumption uh we've been seeing Samsung four point nine inch nine nine inch panels with 1080p resolution but what's interesting is that you know you're saying that's all we know and that's such a stark contrast to what we were talking last year at this time about Samsung like bird maybe just over three weeks away from this alleged launch date and we haven't seen a single leaked image we haven't seen a single linked leak design or anything whether they've been yeah place last year or not there's been nothing so yeah it's a it's it's pretty interesting to see how different that is this year and I think that to be honest I think that Samsung is starting to get a little addicted to like via to you know that the PR aspects of like you know product security and all that because you remember last year that the GS leading up to the gs3 there were all those those incorrect leaks and then the phone was announced and then Samsung actually came out with like this big like blog post basically congratulating itself on unfoolish and I I think we're about to see this same cycle again I think that that you know we're hearing the note 8 leaks have been incorrect in terms of what the the device actually looks like right now the leaks that we seen basically make it look like a giant gs3 or giant note 2 so we're hearing that that's incorrect we haven't heard squat about the gs4 like you say Dan so I think that Samsung is really like that they're they're really putting the nose to the grindstone on security and they're super proud of it I guarantee you after March 14th we're going to get another blog post from them saying how they did it I just got a on that topic I do also want to point out that Samsung and HTC and all of these asian manufacturers consider the just basic quantity of people that attend their launch event part of their self-assessment and part of their success of a lodgment they don't really give a rat's ass whether you're connected and whether your life blog actually exists and what are they connected with actual consumers they just want to see how many bodies they can fit inside a massive hole in a big city but I'm not something nice bit of trivia from HTC event today Peter Chou when he came in he came in very early and just kind of snuck in because nobody noticed in for some reason so it was kind of like a random Taiwanese do just walks in and I'm like that was Peter Chao why did anybody you know freak out and try and take his photo but then I think she's his wife still share one who's the chairwoman of HTC I believe she is a gentleman of agency wait wait she's she's also like the boss of VI a which is another big Taiwanese company she's a big deal in Taiwan when she arrived man I mean it was like she had an entourage of 20 people with cameras and video cameras and Diaz of ours and things like that and she was the focus of attention everywhere she went it was really weird because Peter Chao was then people could see him floating in and out of the event nobody chase him when she had anything to say they're like people with lights on their cameras and all sorts were just all around her I don't really understand that I don't really understand the dynamics and how she's a bigger celebrity than him over there in Taipei but it was just kind of a curious thing for me uh the only thing I have to say about that is I want everybody to appreciate just how awesome this photo that plaid talking pho is it's amazing he looks like such a boss he's just you know stupendous nice and he is indeed the boss that I restroom yeah yeah i mean he's kind of a laid-back guy also it was just another thing to point out because the comments on that interview suggest that it kind of sounds aggressive like we're angry at each other and pointing a finger when I'm asking questions and he's kind of give me a day locally delay but because you know just transcribed in text I think the tone of the actual interview was really conveyed like there was a bit of a language barrier because it's English isn't perfect and we're oppressed even things i did so gently yeah and he smiles when he gets those questions like he's like yeah I know and I'm gonna give you an answer now yeah yeah um I have nothing else to say about the HTC One or the galaxy s4 or the wireless charging orb yes the Abboud would phone that it's waiting til next eater you didn't answer the most important question of all who would you rather have the HTC One or the galaxy s4 I'm gonna wait and see yeah what's your next I'm gonna wait so I'm gonna wait and see that's a question there's a thing that i would love to be proven wrong on and it's like i'm convinced even though we haven't seen anything we really know nothing about the galaxy s4 convinced it's gonna be made out of plastic and that will make me want the issue see more on a hardware level yeah I would love for samsung to just prove me wrong and make me shove my foot in my mouth and release a little bit of device but that happened last year this is thing I I just feel like we're going through an absolute recurrence and maybe we should call this episode 37 instead of Mecca five absolutely time deja vu this is actually we live in we live in the Battlestar Galactica universe everything is that before and everything will happen again and so this sort is reliving 2012 latest a lot okay maybe that maybe this is the matrix all right Oh same same situation it's a similar story it's an alternate universe similar story minor details are different this is what happened last year and in the year before Hsu was first with a sensation before the galaxy s2 HD was first with the 1x coming up for the galaxy s3 and both of those devices had higher quality materials the one x vs galaxy s3 is just a no contest in terms of physical design the one is is just so much nicer it has a better display HTC in terms of hardware keeps winning it keeps having the better device and yet Sampson keeps pitching it yeah with those dumb features I mean even and this is not a commercials yeah that's what is meeting with its beating it with the marketing push I mean if you turn on a TV and you see a commercial for cell phone company you're usually going to see apple or Samsung and Samsung is going to be lately thankfully it's been talking about its features instead of just trying to make fun of Apple buyers uh whereas you don't see an HTC commercial you might see it initially like right when a phone is released you might see a handful of HTC commercials but they're not running for like six months at a time like I can i still see galaxy s3 commercials on TV and that form was launched in what June or July so yay so this time around HTC is going to take a bigger it's going to take a bigger role in in the marketing of its own phones instead of leaving it to the gears it's going to do it in like you know specific cities because it doesn't have a ton of money and I don't think they're going to be like they're not going to be spending like at the company money but they are going to try and market this stuff directly to consumers themselves and I mean that's smart insofar as the carrier certainly didn't help them out with the 1x or the 1s at all in any appreciable way but I just you know can the can does HTC have the resources to do what they need to do to actually compete with this phone from a marketing perspective especially given the fact that they have this camera and this you know blink feed you I that is going to initially put consumers off if they don't market it just so just write well and I'm right look it's good Chris well I was just gonna say i bet that HTC thought that it had a couple more months of leeway yeah i was going to say the camera point is really good because that ultrapixel situation and the low-light performance are so easy to demonstrate and they're so easy to promote you can trust carriers just you know pimp them out in a very easy and approachable fashion so long as Carey is interested but the thing to me when you think about the scale of Samsung's the G wait is marketing might the freaking phone when you unlock it has water ripples and it makes these clunking noises like you pick it up and it in acts it doesn't train itself seriously it acts like freaking child's toy and in spite of that in spite of junkyard things like smart stay and just nonsense features it keeps it keeps succeeding so I don't know what to say like it just makes me sad because I still continue think that Android is the best smartphone software out there and watching these people just footing around and it's screwing with it and not a good job even Sony I mean Sony is generally restrained but then the Xperia Z 0 said it should have been out by now right because HTC might actually get the one out before the experience said and it already has a higher pixel density and it absolutely has a better display so that what's the point in the experience that who cares about the experience that today yeah nobody I mean at this point as far as andrew is concerned I'm just I just kind of feel like I'm gonna mute everything out it just going to me when the K branded key lime pie was it yeah okay branded the pastry comes out and we get new effects from the more likes phone ya know okay I tell you what I'll step up to 4.5 inches for that device won't go all the way up to 4.7 but if it's a 4.5 I will spend actual money on it oh I'm gonna hold you to that what about you Chris are you what are you gonna do um I think I'm gonna I'm gonna hang on to the iphone 5 in the nexus 4 until i said at least until the gs4 announcement and then then we'll take it from there but I mean that's going to be easy for us all to do anyway because the one won't won't be out by then so which is exactly if she sees problem um I don't I don't want to talk about deep go to phone it's not shipping till 2014 you got a great report by a sean hollister up on the site should read it as the developer previews out for are coming very soon for Galaxy Nexus in the nexus 4 so you can play around with it so I do want go ahead Chris why I do want to just mention one thing very briefly about the boom to mobile effort in general which has me concerned which is that they appear to be moving in some ways in the same direction as Tizen where they're going to end up seating a lot if not all control of the platform to the carriers that are launching these devices and it's going to become more about branding these phones as carrier devices with very very deep carrier quote-unquote experiences and less about you know a consistent boon to experience across phones and across carriers and that's that's very scary but will say you are we have we have a long way to go until we know for sure how this is gonna play out on that ridiculously depressing I want to chuck briefly mention what's going on next week oh yes we should actually I'm totally right we totally should so next week is obviously or maybe not so obvious to you but it's mobile world congress starting on essentially the event itself starts on monday but for us it starts force on sunday all four of us will be there in barcelona covering it as well as some other people from from the verge we got a pretty good staff that will be there and you know it should be interesting to see what happens obviously HTC did its thing already so it will have a muted presence at mwc instead of the big presence that normally has and as far as the show goes I believe we're planning on doing a show is that correct eater up sure yeah i don't know i mean here's the thing like we never know when we're going to get back from events we never know we're going to I'm and we especially never know exactly what our bandwidth is going to be so if we can do a show we will do a show and will endeavor to give you a heads up on one that show happens but you know follow verge on Twitter for like hey we're podcasting in five minutes because we feel like it because that could totally happen pretty much but at the same time rest assured that our textual photographic and video output is not going to be diminished because we're bringing our professional video producers who put the rest of us amateurs to absolute shame every single time and somehow make us look presentable like for example my whoa isn't as yellow as it looks but it is actually really yellow so my webcam is white balance has been broken in touch so I look kind of orange and weird and then the world looks like it's painted with custard Cory sylvian Twitter so we will have a higher level of professionalism at mwc and we'll make sure not to miss anything because that's our job yeah it should be fun I mean that's slightly more optimistic upbeat note thank you very much for watching and or listening if you want to follow us on Twitter you can and should i am back lawn Vlad Vlad sob dan is DC seifert with Annie I chris is Z power again we are all at verge you can email us it's a mobile show at the verge calm we will completely read every single email that you send to us and then forget to talk about it on the show and we may or may not see you next week on the local show but definitely watch for us covering mwc and it's definitely going to be able to 35 that's right thanks is ready right