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these mobile accomplish ours welcome to the Virgin Mobile show it is the 40th episode it's the week in march 18th we have eight hum of news and we're going to jump into it no snappy banter no chitchat no no fast and furious jokes I am dieter bohn hi I'm flats mo i'm dan seifert and i'm chris ziegler um yeah no I don't want to chitchat I'll talk to you guys I don't care about your lives or your personal feelings on anything ever I just want to talk about the galaxy s4 because it's finally been announced in an insane and majestic show last week and we've seen it and it's big and man I don't even know where to start dan you were there yeah yeah so I was there for that spectacle um the Broadway show if you will instead of a product launch and yeah I mean we we covered it quite a bit on the site and Neil I did a really interesting report where he talked to the behind the scenes people who actually produced it and as far as press events go I guess it could say it was a up there as one of the most memorable ones but probably not for the best reasons you know it's I I said this before but like you know as as press we kind of just want to go there we want to see the news you want to be shown the news and we wanted to be like wrapped up if we want to get our job done and this was much more of a show than an informative thing so it was a bit grating for us but I guess if Samsung was trying to entertain people it did do that to some extent but it also managed to rub a lot of people the wrong way with the way that some of the characters were portrayed in Samsung's little vignettes so yeah I mean I guess let's just talk through the event before we get into you know the device itself I mean Samsung with the the galaxy s series always has this problem where its primary set of differentiators is the massive slew of features that it packs in on top of Android and so we had a whole bunch of them here but actually communicating that without having a you know a single sort of thesis statement or whatever is difficult and so they're angled Eric around narrative thank you thank you their angle was to like try and put a Broadway narrative on top of it by having all these little vignettes all these little stories about the different ways of the features that they're adding in might be useful to your life and they hire a writer abroad yeah i'm sorta the idea for the broadway show is because they were having their men at radio city music hall in new york city which is you know world famous theater and it seats like 6,000 people so now that was their whole angle with the broadway thing but you can go on no that's that's about the size of it that the problem was in the neil i got into this with his sort of behind-the-scenes look at how it came together is you know the people from broadway put together a pretty edgy show and then it went through the standard corporate meat grinder of let's not offend any of our potential customers or audiences and what that ended up meeting was that a lot of the stuff especially that portrayal of women came off as let's be gentle and say it came off as ham-handed oh yeah well i mean this is this do you think saying one is as you say deed said they set off with a much edgy show and there are some remnants of it insofar as the whatever DMC or the guy who's leading the whole show was saying our fake family and such and such oh that would be the case if it wasn't an actor and then they had a chinese actor who spoken perfect in a perfect American accent because he's a chinese-american etc etc so to all these little hints of self-awareness which hinted at the edges show that the producers were coming up with but as you say putting it through the corporate approval process probably softened then neutralized a lot of that self satire I think but that's why i SPECT the other is that companies exemption I feel feel compelled to do these shows and I'm not sure that they may benefit from them all that much like okay people are giving a publicity about it but frankly people getting publicity together says for whatever happens they were given their building it up before the event and they talked about it after the event and it also talks about the device itself like well I mean they did get a crowd at Times Square to show up oh yeah and they also i think this is important they got apple to trip over itself trying to do some you know call it defensive sort of you know pre-event making fun of samsung in a way that didn't really work out especially well for apple so i think that it's a big moment in terms of the apple vs samsung story and it's a big moment for samsung itself because and this gets to your story about a flat that it the s4 shows that samsung is confident enough to not try and you know reinvent the wheel every year they feel like they can put out something that matches their design language and sort of feels like an s3 s and and do it which is something i don't think any any other android manufacturer has the confidence to do right now right yeah i mean that's been kind of the theme samsung chasing apple and emulating apple but we just finish up the other point about the whole event structure in styling i don't think that pushing your product dirty things I the time square thing investing heavily in marketing is a bad idea too but I think these companies can actually stick to do tried and trusted where it's a company we're just going to do is take away instead of trying to also delve into popular culture and try and be savvy and smart and all of those things because those things really hard to achieve I think the Steve Jobs keynotes have set a really high standard insofar as demonstrating features by showing how it will be used and I don't think that many people could do he was able to do out of think apple's keynote so now as library or as compelling as when he was doing them and performing them but everyone is still kind of trying to emulate that style but everyone is still trying to call for something really special for an event whereas people could or companies could actually rely on the strength of their product and to some extent they could just say Samsung is doing that with galaxy s4 because it's saying we've got the features with other components and we think our design is already good enough ah now that's the debate school part because somebody already said in the comments so that bubble show posts in the site is I can't wait for the part where somebody complains about plastic or is just as blessed as the galaxy it's free and quite frankly if you put a two side by side yes the s4 is the bigger device but it takes you a while to recognize which is actually the new advice there's a similar yes yeah that does the striking thing that when I actually got to touch the device and hold on to it is like I I mean if you if I was walking by a table and there was a galaxy s3 in the galaxy s4 sitting next to each other and I was just walking by and I looked at him I wouldn't really be able to tell the difference between the two without taking a closer look like they're exceptionally similar and even as what I mentioned the 4 has a larger screen but Samsung managed to make the rest of the phone smaller around the screen so there's there's even a minimized difference between the size of the devices so it's and I'm sure we'll go into this more with the hardware itself but is they are strikingly similar as far as design did build quality goes so I got a chance to play with 14 just like five minutes at the engadget expand conference and actually Samsung have one of their design guys up on stage talking about he specifically mentioned this plastic thing and it's the story that you'd expect which is Samsung cares about putting a removable battery in there they think that's important and so for them that means they know how to do that using a plastic back and so that's what they went with and yeah it does feel plasticky and doesn't feel like SuperDuper crazy premium but i will say that i think it does feel better than the s3 I think that I don't know if the may the rail around the edge is metal now or if it's still plastic but it feels way better than the rail did on the s3 so I mean it's I think it's it feels slightly better it doesn't look all that great in photos but at the end of the day you know samsung believes in this you know plastic and they haven't really done a ton to make it feel like awesome polycarbonate but it you know if that bothers you you know get the 1i guess but it's it's a trade-off and that's the trade-off that they might with well it's interesting that the plastic actually has this like patterned textured look to it that makes you think that it's almost going to have a textured feel but that's actually covered by a really thick sheen of gloss so when you see the back of it wanted photos you've got this like a hatch thatch mark pattern or whatever that you see in photos but when you actually touch it it's just as smooth and slick as the galaxy s3 so I don't know why they did it make it texture at all which i think would aid to their enhance the quality feel and obviously give you a little bit more to grip but that's way it is well I think the glossy grip is this grippy like they're glossy thing like it doesn't slip out of your hand it just doesn't feel premium right right I mean the idea of that glossy bag doesn't fill me with much confidence that I would love it if I picked it up and but I'm just thinking about that ASA do some really nice pets and backs and their phones like the liquid line which you know actually budget and mid-range and low-end devices for the most part is what ASA produces so it's odd to me like it's not that Samsung can forward it Samson definitely can't afford to use higher grade plastics it's just a choice read on the company's pot like they could make them mad they could make them textured they could put a you know patted on the back something that's scrivere and better basically in the hand they're just not doing it but those are design choices one thing I'll say though is actually got quite a bit of stick when I reviewed the galaxy it's free a year ago and I gave it a pretty high school for design and everybody was like and you know do you need to have your eyes examined you know where in your lenses etc have you looked to the thing and does the point that I keep making with respect to the experience said as well which I gave a lower score for design and most people expected again because of the few and a hat like I think ergonomics is so much more important than looks because looks matter to you in the first week plus a couple of weeks but then you just kind of start to ignore them and you just looking at the display itself start using the phone and that's when things like the side now power button samsung was one of the early adopters of really matter particularly with these large sizes that's where the curvature of the back which kind of makes it look like it doesn't have a definitive shape where is the galaxy it's free of the galaxy s4 you just don't have the you know the sharpness of the design that you have with the experience then but i still take the samsung design / so anyone because it's just so much more comfortable to hold even as course is it's yeah it's inspired by nature yeah that's true the nature of your hand which is ironic we didn't we didn't hear any of that in this year's presentation even though the software largely looks the same and the hardware itself large you must have had some blue stone you know the water blue it definitely makes the water bloops I don't think we heard and nobody nobody during the presentation commented that they had to go to the bathroom because of its oh wow yes we'll talk about our progress you know what I went outside this I mean and it the gaseous free bones last year they had them the thing with the for cause was it was that we said when they show down and yes and and and they show the big wind turbines and how one core is blowing your hair back in two cores are pushing your tied behind you then for calls just blowing the guy out of the screen I miss those little video clips like everything if you want to see more of these crazy you know made-up analogies add two informants we like s yeah I guess we should talk about specs so processors just as with every phone for the past couple years it's going to have a different processor without LTE out you know outside the US Samsung Exynos 5 then the u.s. we're going to have the Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 we've got two gigs of RAM we've got a 2600 milliamp battery and of course we've got a 5-inch display 1080p it is a super amoled but I mean at that pixel resolution I like to think that people will not have a whole lot complain about with the the pixel layout well Eddie it's it that the pen tile layout is what we would complain about I guess but you're right dealer that that resolution we're not going to have anything really visible unless you're using a magnifying glass to look for it my only issue that I've always had with Super AMOLED displays that I always have a very blue cast compared to LCD displays so when we put it side-by-side with say the HTC one that always or at least last year with the One X versus the galaxy s3 the 1x had much truer colors then the samsung but if you are just looking at the samsung alone and not comparing it side-by-side that's something that you're less likely to notice yeah but it's also kind of cruel to compare any phone against the HTC One when it comes to this place okay so we'll say that the nexus 4 display or the iphone 5s display or whatever is not using a super amoled display but also i think there are a new set of adjustments on the new galaxy s4 so it gives you more granular control in terms of color temperature and things like that I read this anyhow I haven't seen it myself so previously samsung had a couple of settings display settings which let you kind of tone down the saturation which is usually over the top with Sam so example in this place but now now think they're giving you more grander control over what the display does but besides that okay we just run for it especially I mean frankly it's an upgrade on pretty much everywhere but I don't see where those things are just going to emerge in the user experience like when you pick up the phone you start using anything it's so much fasten guess it's free I don't think that's ever going to happen maybe Danny you had hands-on time with it how step is it's fast i mean like i didn't i didn't really see like like there's certain phones that you pick up and you start using them and it instantly feels choppy maybe the frame rate isn't as high or just isn't as responsive and there was none of that with the the s4 but I you know in the last time I use a galaxy s3 I don't remember really complaining about the performer to be honest so I you know it it has no trouble pushing out the the pixels on the 1080p display that doesn't seem to be holding it back or anything the performance is very fluid and very snappy and fast um I didn't run any benchmarks on it in the time when I had it so I can't speak to that but as far as from a perception user perception if you very quick and fast yeah the benchmarks that are out there right now it's off the charts it just seems crazy fast yeah and I mean the most high-end phones are like I don't have performance issues with them anymore like when I use the nexus 4 you know I I've never once complained about the performance of speed or fluid pneus or performance on the e92 complaint inviting about other things yeah no I'm too busy can play about other things but like you know i'm not saying with the iphone 5 there's no real issues there same with like a high-end Windows Phone for the most part you know the the lag eNOS and things like that are kind of things that we talked about a couple of years ago or on lower end devices so you know I don't expect it to be slow I didn't see it being slow you know it's gonna be fast how much faster and you may notice that you may not we've also got a 13 megapixel camera and I we talked about this with HTC one you know HTC went 2-4 and now Samsung's going to 13 and I'm really hoping that it's way better than the s3 because the s3 was just sort of an a camera but I will see what they can do with 13 megapixels I'm actually shocked that they went to 13 megapixels you didn't really need to write yeah I thought they would stay with 8 megapixels and just improve the quality of it kind of like what Apple did from the 4 s to the 5 but you know will say when when we actually see the results of the images themselves I know that Samsung is that itself has said that people aren't complaining about the image quality on smart phones cameras these days I guess I don't know who they're talking to because I complain about it all the time but so I I know that they and we'll talk about this with the the software features but they you know were more concerned with adding crazy software features than going in a crazy hardware direction on the camera yeah they added like you can take a picture with the front-facing camera on the rear facing camera at the same time and put smashing together they added an action node where someone's running you can get the whole series of them running with the first mode they've got a thing where it can automatically get rid of like motion bombers by doing another burst mode shot like there's just a ton of camera features that i don't know maybe people get there's even one the there's a camera thing where it takes a still image and records like eight seconds of audio a little bit before you get the shutter a little bit after like in case you want to like have a picture and like a still image and then narrate it ok ok yeah well I think again from an uninformed perspective and an experience perspective I think the most interesting thing is the ability to use the front and rear facing cameras at the same time I think that's available for photos the video so the narration part I mean we don't do it enough i think like taking notes we keep typing away instead of you know like old-school Twin Peaks pick up the recorder and be like now what is this about I didn't hook to yourself and then listen to yourself and then have these wonderful conversations with yourself before they come in you know take you away and but yeah I think these narrations and these dual camera things can be compelling and there's so much to ourselves because we don't have that many physical friends nearby to videotape all the time but with Samsung's demos of families you know with the father actually showing up in the photos and in the videos instead of always being behind the camera I mean nothin I can relate to that I have a young daughter and I I take pictures most of the time and it's mostly my daughter my wife is supposed to you know me it's it's never my wife and I because my daughter's 14 months old so that's a little much to ask of her at this point but I mean I don't know if I think that it's very weird to take a picture of a scene or a couple of people and then like have the front camera capture your picture and then just jam that in there like that yeah I me not going to go see civ most of the time the picture of you is gonna be something like this like yes yes yeah or like squinting its or whatever if I would have but I mean sensors do something else they I think they announced is where they print out your photos as well yeah you can get a hardcover books made with your photos so they've partnered up with a company that will you can place the order right from your phone and then you pay for it and it gets shipped I think anywhere in the world you know these these hardcover bound books which is just just to throw in the other thing which was that they brought in from the galaxy note that the whole idea that you can take notes on the back of photos right yeah i think so i think they did any happen I mean I I just feel like yes Samsung is completely carpet bombing us with these features but some of them in some circumstances it for some people can actually be compelling a useful like oftentimes have actually found that taking notes like essentially it's a digital version of taking notes on the back of the photo where you flip the photo and then you can take a note on the back I find those things can be useful I you know a salad right you can you can break your ingredients on the back para that's closely right see something that's how you do so sad side right so yeah I mean it's carpet bombing us with features but at the same time so that can emerge is useful I think the most difficult part of this it's because of this you know sure sheer feature overload is surfacing them to the end-user like how do you how do you get the end user to realize that had all these features are there and it does all these things when all they want to do is whip out their phone and take a picture in their lives and sure yeah otherwise otherwise the features are completely invisible just like chris sigler on this podcast yep you lie without me out of epic okay I have nothing bad well I'm very concerned about my hardware today I've had so many failures in the past 24 hours between my microphone my internet connection but I I never know if I can be hurt or not but uh yeah the the galaxy s4 is not a particularly interesting device to me it's it's a it has become a you know I think that this annual cadence for samsung has become a what's the word I'm looking forward it's it's it's like a it's an expectation and it's a it is a revenue driver but is not an exciting device it is not a device that anyone looks forward to with hot hot anticipation it's a device that wins over consumers with raw marketing muscle and it I frankly a very little add to add to this device I have nothing to say about it it's something that I'm sure it's a very very solid phone and it's going to sell of course extraordinarily well but I think that the the real innovation the meaningful innovation in this space right now is not coming from Samsung that's certainly not coming from this device these these these features that they've had in this for parlor tricks yeah nobody needs to be able to wave in front of their phone to change photos I my thumb is not weak this is not so weak that I can't scroll a page with it so yeah I mean there's 11 of these crazy features that I like and that's the they took from the the note to the hover mode that you spilled you can do with the stylus that you can instead of just tapping the screen you can hover over the screen and have it pop up stuff instead of actually you know directly acting on it that's kind of neat I could get into that if it were well supported I thought it I tested out some of the the motion features that Chris just mentioned the one where you're you tilt the phone to scroll up and down a web page and it actually actually kind of worked so i guess you know if you're if you're on a subway and you're reading a page and and you tilt it and it goes further without having to move in you're less likely to maybe drop the device out of your hand I suppose that's a good thing it just struck me as really funny because that's one of the things that I remember sergey brin talking about when Android was launched back in two thousand eight or launched the public as something that he wanted his phone to do and then in the book in the Plex by Steven Levy which goes really deep on Google and how Android among other things was developed inside of Google they the engineers determined that it wasn't practical to do and here we are in 2013 at Samsung just went ahead through it in their phone anyways so I found that amusing and then I also i tested the feature you are watching a video and it looks to see that your eyes are on the video and then you if you get distracted or something like say there's a garden or outside of your house taking a shirt off and you look smart pose to look yeah you look away from your video the video itself actually pauses so that you don't miss your video while you're being distracted and and I mean as Chris managed and that's a total parlor trick it's it's it's not something that's really needed it's not difficult to just hit pause or rewind a video on mobile devices these days and it had about of a second delay or so before it would pause and then restart when I i looked back at it but i guess it worked as the as the it was sold to us well Mull to the point it's actually going to be inconvenient to a lot of people because so somebody like myself for example you could have your phone just playing a video and you could just be listening to it as a background thing or is like you know like a radio stream whatever you know there are all these scenarios where you don't need to be looking at screen directly well i mean it's a feature you can turn on and off you have to dive into settings and you can enable it or disable it but yeah does the other thing the de la salle picked up of galaxy is free in to consult an hour just to the same with events usually I'm customizing things and I'm cursing sense from HTC for not giving me the option to make something suit me with the galaxy s fine it's like stop it no don't do that stop talking to me like I accidentally this is this is a truth accidentally enabled this talkback mode way read everything on the screen to me and did it in this loud unpleasantly you know dictatorial voice and I it just freaked me out isn't that an Android feature yeah there is talk back in stock standard Android well that's what I'm saying I fell into it and it wasn't a happy experience but here's a bit of cultural awareness for guys like Chris I have watched the video and I can tell you guys that the scenario exists and it happens very often in Korea where you have attracted young women in the 20s doing some baking cooking and having their hands just covered with flour and only happens in panties commercials that only happens to get tech commercials and then it is somebody really important close you know because the young independent women and they run their own businesses and they have to be a call 24 hours a day tell me pulling ko's and then they just waved a hand in the air in front of the phone and it works seamlessly I've watched a video well I'm just gonna pull this out of the there might be a woman out there who needs to do this because I find I'm in a situation all the time when I'm obsessing over brewing some coffee and I'm making messes and I've got grinds everywhere and I need to either start the timer on my smartphone or answer a message or a call and I have to touch the thing and it gets dirty and filthy and stuff like that so this happens to me quite often I don't think Samsung's waving gesture is the answer to my problems uh with for what I need to do but right i mean the dishes are varied amends for that that's always the thing like cut apple the thinner apple does is it looks at things like gestures and says we're going to implement this until it's mature enough to give to give them the full opportunity to set the time already spark right until you have more of a comprehensive service whereas samsung looks at things like gestures and says what part what portion of this can we just jack into our fold and expand our feature this with and that's where complaints the parlor trick complete comes from because these aren't fully fleshed out you can wave around a bit to go back and forth a grave around a bit to scroll but then you can't really do much more else like i don't think it's going to be a terribly cohesive use experience all together so there's also an IR blaster which i put in the same category of just throw features at it because you can there is one thing that actually i do think is interesting and I don't know why nobody's done it before and it's this s health stuff where they actually activate the pedometer in the accelerometer and you know couple other sensors I forget exactly what on the phone to track your health you know you're walking in your exercise like a Fitbit or whatever and like that's just something that should have been on phones from the beginning as soon as they created these things and then you know why you need to you know get a separate accessory to do some of this stuff kind of blows my mind if you can do it on the phone and so that's potentially interesting to me and say on Samsungs actually selling a whole whole host ya need to extend that to with the wristband type of things and other Fitbit like devices where r samsung is saying is gonna sell them let's remember the S pebble yeah there's a lot that one on sale you might if you dare and you can tap it to your Galaxy s3 to transfer your musical the one thing so they also said that they're going to bring some s4 software features to the s3 I mean if you own a galaxy s3 you should not buy this phone like right straight up there's nothing here that would make you desperately want it the screen is bigger it's gonna be faster it's got a higher megapixel camera but the only thing that I could say is and then we'll we'll have to wait and see until we actually do a review on it is the battery is significantly larger so maybe the battery life is something that's you know really impressive with this but we'll have to have to wait and see on that but I sure you guys get is gonna be kind of balanced by p.m. what's that Chris my secrets hey i sorry I a vibe items talking anyone I interrupt him um uh I I suspect that the higher battery capacity is going to be counteracted by the the high resolution screen and the faster processor but we'll see yeah that could be I mean as as these new processors come out they get faster but they're supposed to get more efficient to write so we'll see it's a lot bigger what was the one on the s3 there was like 1700 or 1800 it 15 21 goes to thousands in this week thousands we got one right here and so now this one is 2600 so 1750 know this yeah what this is I'm sorry this is Galaxy Nexus never get out of my face what I had a samsung battery had to grab it but either way this is at least 500 million bow or more so it's at least twenty percent more so um okay so just a record I think chris is like this epic delay on the rest of us I think we should just give him carte blanche to just interrupt the crap out of so we're just automatically stopped because his input is so precious depends on little man ever not felt that way chris has been talking this whole time and so what's going to happen is we're gonna stop the podcast when we normally do but it's going to go on for some bonus content from extra 20 minutes we'll be able to hear everything chris has been saying that's pretty much like the a 2100 event London in New York 2120 it's 2100 ok so the the new one is 500 billion power more so slightly less than twenty percent more or 25 for someone does something jump it is a big job yeah so I'm curious to see how that how that works out and they managed to make it thinner samsung says the thinness was unprecedented though it is thicker than the iphone 5 but they did manage to make the the phone thinner while packing a much larger battery into it so i guess that's pretty impressive yeah I was yawning about that because that's boring interesting stuff I think Genesis 4 works with gloves so it has one of those a nice new fangled hyper sensitive touch screens like the Nokia Lumia 920 and other you know keys so I actually like that particularly with the amount of glove worrying I've been doing with this a seasonably cold weather I appreciate it for making work with gloves agreed yeah I had to shovel four inches of snow off my driveway this morning so this morning looks nice nice last day of winter but maybe if you're in like Iceland or no way or any part of Canada you know that's that's what that's where this stuff comes in cuz that's like number one featured like forgetting 13 megapixels in the number of course it won't suit gloves man so okay this phone is like it's iterative it's what we expected it looks very proficient it's got a million features does the smartphone landscape but for Android change with this phone or is it just going to be the same because it seems like our senses that that's the s4 it's a lot like the s3 and they're going to market the hell out of it and you know HTC is trying to make a comeback and we'll get into that and a little bit a minute here but I I don't see you know any huge opening for another manufacturer right now because of this because it's a perfectly proficient device you know I don't see them falling down anywhere and I also don't see them like utterly crushing anybody you know at least not more than they already have well I just got to see status quo I I think I think Samsung is in a very good position to further extend its lead with the gaseous where maybe not dramatically so it's not going to be as dramatic of a shift as say it was from 2011-2012 but you know every carrier in the US was very eager as soon as the s4 was announced you to blast out that will be carrying it and so you're going to be able to get it on the four major carriers and even on a couple of regional carriers in the US i'm sure i think samsung said it would be on a hunch at 155 countries um at law or it will be launched eventually at 155 countries where we do um I had ever seen carriers maybe that was carrier succeed but still either way that's a lot of places that you can go buy this phone it's literally just gonna be carpet bombing the market with with the galaxy s4 and it's going they say it's going to be available in April so uh you know you're not going to be able to escape this device Samsung's marketing as we mentioned earlier is extensive and massive and it's going to be thrown on you in every which way as far as commercials and advertisements and things like that so I really think that the Samsung took a safe bet with this as far as the s4 but it's probably going to pay off for them with tens of millions of sales and you know furthering their lead in the Android landscape and likely furthering it ahead of Apple in as far as the general smartphone landscape and just the front an extra thought here if it's no longer just Samsung's own marketing does the other thing Samsung has invested really heavily in that but it's built up inertia now and it's built up momentum momentum to wear like you're saying dita oh damn brother Wow d name is getting mixed up but like you're saying carriers all blasting blasting out the announcements here in the UK is the non carriers as well as like car from warehouse phones for you those guys say we're going to have it you can have a pre-order you can pre-register interest everybody is announcing that but also accessory manufacturers are coming up with announcements as well like I've not noticed any other phone launch before the galaxy s4 other than iphone launches where it was immediately followed by every accessory in fact manufacturer or most of them coming up and saying we've got new cases we've got new trinkets extra batteries etc for this particular device like I haven't seen any other Android device gone and that kind of attention and that kind of extra PR from accessory makers and that's that's actually been a criticism that's been levied at Android for a number of years at Apple's you know third-party ecosystem for accessories has always been much stronger you could always find the latest and best cases for your iphone you could find all these like crazy cool trinkets and things like that you could plug into your iPhone and you know maybe that's Samsung's not quite fully there yet with the galaxy s4 but it's definitely getting closer um 22 word if you want an accessory for your phone and you have a galaxy s4 there's a very good chance that you'll be able to find it yeah we can move on that we can stop boring Chris and getting involved in a conversation well Chris might be excited about today's if we're gonna say one more thing about Samsung that was news today that Samsung is working on a SmartWatch oh and of course this is going to peak Chris curses interests right right Chris I still have very serious concerns about my leg here is am I am i calling a conversation here you're here man okay uh yeah no I'm excited to hear that Samsung's doing this of course they this is not therefore as as are our good friend Sascha Segan has been pointing out at all day on Twitter this is not Samsung's first entry into the end of the market I mean frankly they've been doing phone related smartwatches longer than just about anyone they showed a gsm prototype watching what 2003 or something but but yeah I mean we'll see what they can do I I think that that this is going to be a really really exciting market for the next 12 to 18 months I'm sure but we're going to see Apple get involved we can see Google get involved samsung will get involved in you know well I think the biggest question is can the small players like pebble med wat survive and then and then the other big question is will Apple and Google be able to sustain this mark and get a broad consumer base interested in wearing a wristwatch again yeah or will Lil one of the bigger players just buy one of the smaller players and all right I don't know if they need to i mean the the thing that makes a SmartWatch right now is the phone supporting it with its software which neither android or iOS do very well and i don't think they see a need to buy there's no expertise even a pebble that apple or Samsung desperately need I don't think I'm gonna watch a room ever ok so there's another huge giant seismic change in the smartphone space that we need to tuck into we don't even like referenced it yet and that is that Andy Rubin has left Android he is going to work on you know some moonshot somewhere and they're handing Android over to sundar Pichai who has led up Chrome OS and Google Apps in chrome and this is a big deal this is a really huge thing and I don't know what do you guys think I mean there's there's a lot of angles we can talk about here we just had a profile of Reuben go up today we can talk about sadar talk about whatever s super Oakland amen I know maybe you should just jump in man i can't i can't be on point all the time with perfectly placed questions and thoughts and openings for you to speak i can tell you what I think but then that leaves nothing for you you know boo ok well here's the thing as far as Twitter presence goes and the Rubin used to tweet like two times a year sundar Pichai tweets maybe one time I years or no change there so um um personally I'm not so sure that this is so much of a seismic shift because i don't i don't get the feeling that Andy Rubin was running Android the way to let's say Steven Sinofsky seem to be running Windows where he wanted to control of everything and everything was going along to Andy Rubens dictum you know I kind of think the opposite I kind of I kind of disagree with you I kind of think that there was a bunch of stuff where you know Android was sort of not fully as fully integrated with the rest of Google as it could be i think that i mean just think out the fact that we didn't see chrome get on android til way late in the game not sure you should and you know you can carry on with your facts and reality as much as you like but then that doesn't stop me from talking out of my imagination no but I mean you have matias duarte who whose presence and influence at least one user interfaces we felt very strongly since he's been there i also feel like android is so critical and so central to google overall strategy that Larry Page Google CEO khan have just given Andy Rubin such totalitarian control so I don't necessarily feel that Android is just going to deviate from his current trajectory like if you really needed that big of a change I think Larry Page or somebody else would have instituted it already and Reuben being there or not I mean the interesting thing with ribbon is what sort of project is he going to add up you know I mean what is this thing that he's going off to he hasn't been fired it's not that like he's left to go in fish or whatever which is fab yeah and I mean yeah let's be clear like this is a sign that Android is failing I think it might just be about Reuben in that Rubens strength everybody seems to be saying that Reuben is really good at starting things up and you know writing making you know building new system and making something happen and then you know now that it's happened he wants to go do that again and and sooner is coming into pitch right now now he's really interesting because like he has just been rocking and rolling I mean say what you will about Chrome OS and its adoption not that she that she you know laptop the cheap Chromebook is selling super well and Amazon still they just released the pixel which yeah nobody should buy it because it's way too expensive but it's an amazing feat of hardware engineering google apps have been doing just fine both on the web and on iOS and even on Android so like he's been executing and executing well across lots of different parts of Google so he's kind of a key kind of strikes me as a golden boy although I wouldn't call my boy golden man golden child no he's not trying out of their it's made of gold that's what I'm saying maybe that's what it is maybe it's a very simple case of andy rubin being suited to being the guy who initiates projects and pti be suited to managing projects and just running them and being a manager so you know one guys better management the other guys better at getting things off the ground and google just reposition them and that's it maybe that's what it is but that's kind of boring and it exciting so Chris I'm going to ask you a question and I'm letting you know that I'm going to ask you a question well in advance so you can prepare yourself and start speaking before I finish speaking in about five seconds do you think this is a big change or are you kind of lads can i I think that it's a combination of things part part of it is that I think that that it's a natural progression of putting android into cruise control which is what you alluded to by saying that Andy is good at starting things up and soon as ours is good at at you know keeping things running maybe and in that that could very well be be a part of it but I also think that I also think that that Andy can be an abrasive personality to put it in a politically correct way and it's in you know we'll probably never know the full story of what's happening here but I think that it's entirely possible that he rubs someone the wrong way or the on the series of people the wrong way and it finally came to a head and they needed to put him into a different role where he wasn't as prominent in the company and and needless to say nobody really knows if you if you read a turn Jeffrey's excellent profile and Reuben that's up on the site today you'll know that we still don't really know exactly what Reuben is going to be doing in the company and its it's possible that Google just simply hasn't figured that out yet they just wanted him out of that leadership role and he's off doing something else now and you don't know well I deeply regret asking you to speak Chris because your microphone is a purse thing ever yeah that's Google I mean we're using google hangout to you so that's Google sensory but it's it's on Google yeah it's a yeah he sounds like an Android almost you might say I'm sorry that was a terrible terrible thing um so the other things like mention yeah I mean are we still talking about Google I don't want to interrupt this no we are continuing I've for most things ok whatever then I'm just going to roughly two seconds Dropbox book mail books which to me is a really significant thing because I did and once they did it I decided to get in line so here i am i'm in line and like 394 thousand something something it's really depressing but that's it Joe I mean Dropbox by mailbox is really intriguing to me because i really love dropbox every luck with those guys have done in how reliable and how yeah just reliable that's the key thing with what dropbox is doing and general is is just kind of clean and intrusive so then coming together with the mailbox guys because I mean we'll discuss mailbox already and it has issues of those two so paradigm but if Dropbox can straighten those things out and just become like this extra ecosystem that you could jump to so you don't always have to be looking towards Apple Google Microsoft cetera definitely really exciting it fun well it's it's interesting that you know Dropbox is very good at cloud storage and cloud computing and things like that and where my mailbox has struggled in a lot of people's eyes is in that exact area and that's why they have that's 400,000 long waiting lists and things like that because they need to scale their cloud servers up to support all the users and there is actually a a couple of weeks ago uh there was a number of downtime or number times where the service was down and he just literally couldn't couldn't get your email from it so having Dropbox behind them will certainly very likely improve those things well it's also interesting from Dropbox's perspective because this is a company that's you know moving probably to get an IPO and become a public company and let's be really clear like what Dropbox does is something that if they don't maintain a leadership position and maybe branch out is something that can become commoditized really quickly they provide cloud storage and syncing well guess what Google is offering that basically for free Microsoft is there's box net there's sugarsync there's a million of these services and Dropbox needs to one make sure that they're ahead in terms of app integration they already are they've got great api's and lots and lots of developers use Dropbox and two they need to make sure that like they have a reason for existing beyond that just in case you know these other services might take off because you know it's kind of a commodity service at this point so they need to push forward I so I think them purchasing mailbox is really interesting in terms of what kind of services is Dropbox thinking about offering directly that will sort of justify its existence when Google and Microsoft our offer an apple of course with iCloud although let's not talk about I clogged too much because that's embarrassing for Apple are offering you know similar or identical virtually identical services at some in some cases of our cost that's that's why the the first is interesting to me and also they they took over and what they bought a small photo sharing company oh oh yeah they've been they've been they've been acquiring all kinds of different services that can use their cloud services and but provide a music service or a photo-sharing service or now even service so it's uh like you mentioned either it is almost like they're building an ecosystem yeah which would be nice box or less oh go ahead and have drum Dropbox for feedings yeah drop boxes were stripped us I want to go back there's one last thing I want to talk about with ya with Google and Reuben and photographer option no no it's so big I runs Chrome OS and we also have android OS and you know it seems kind of like they should combine these things somehow maybe we could expect android apps running on Chrome OS is a first step maybe we could see more of the way the Chrome OS handles apps or maybe you know its infrastructure you know running directly of Linux could apply to Android I mean not too tight well yeah not to put too fine a point on it i mean android isn't exactly the most efficient and awesome operating system out there it's got dalvik it's got you know a couple of layers of stuff it's never really felt all that web native so there's there's definitely ways that Android could improve especially if it's going to you know move out of being useful on more than just phones and if it's you know gonna start you know working when you scroll instead of stuttering all that problems mostly so I mean do you guys think that we're gonna see these two operating systems merge well I've cedar a dieter I'm going to well first of all is the is my audio any better oh yes please I hope fingers how it's good robotic dinner I'm gonna have to fault you for for trying to slip in the fact that Android isn't web native and and just passed off like like you know that doesn't make fault and that's something that we should all be upset about ok hang on it's a major fault for Google because Google you know makes more money off of stuff on the web than they do off of you know native apps on Android and if they and you know that's the whole point of Chrome OS that's what they believe the future should look like and we're nowhere near it yet but they're trying to actually create that future right now with the pixel and so if Google thinks that they can actually pull off something that you know integrates the rest of the stuff that Google actually makes money on into Android and make that more native of course they want to do I'm not saying it's grown I mean but even even as Android is right now a lot of the Google other services all benefit from the fact that Android exists even if android doesn't directly make Google money you know maps are improved by all the Android users that are out there running around with maps on their phone it the companies can harvest all kinds of voice data information from google voice it can harvest all kinds of data information from gmail and things like that so I know integration yeah and let's not forget AdMob AdMob is a major generator of revenue for Google + and I correct me if I'm wrong but I think it's the most widely deployed ad network in android apps so yeah but i think the the level of monetization they get off of that pales in comparison to what they get off of that you know search standard oh yeah yeah sure yeah yeah no no disagreement there and I mean let's face it like Google Google knows that people are looking at windows 8 and going yeah right like if they could go in and like be the new Microsoft if they if they really put their mind to it they've got all the pieces they just froze set aside windows 8 Google Stewart has this massive program of tablets and the fact that doesn't have a really pathetic tablet OS so it tried to an Android it doubled down and his back while it was doubling down now it's like work what else do we do maybe that's what's happening is Android just kind of flunked too many times on the tablet front the other thing is Windows 8 is oh wait as far as Microsoft goes Windows 8 is the most dramatic transition ever yes they kept your desktop mode but they're just moving into I mean for Microsoft being as conservative as conservative as it is it is as business centric and its business dependent for his preferences is Windows a represents a massive change and the fact is they haven't gotten it right completely but by next iteration by you know things in Windows blue which are going to iterate quicker and faster and upgrade and introduce new features faster you can kind of see a roadmap developing an ideal case scenario what Microsoft really nails it and gets things right and polishes off its OS so it Microsoft or it has a foundation for really compelling tablet I was Google really doesn't yeah like Jeff Gordon for HTC he tweeted this and it was a brilliant point in the mobile smartphone version of Chrome you can just swipe away tabs you don't want it's really natural and intuitive and easy program on an Android tablet you have to press the particular X which essentially is so small it's like a click for mouse it isn't anywhere near as intuitive or slew it as a smartphone experience that's just like a microcosm of how frustrating Android can be on a tablet because he has no tablet specialization so yes I do you think there's going to be a lot of cross-pollination between Chrome OS and Android we've seen evidence of Google now coming to Chrome OS and notification center or notifications at least so it might will be the case that Google is preparing Chrome OS to be its tablet OS and to grow up to be several OS because sees more potential dead and with Android itself yeah I completely under percent agree and I hope that that happens I just did the question is how quickly can it happen and how well can they pull it off because they really have an ad other than the nexus 7 which i think was a limited success you know they're you know I pads eating our lunch right and the next seven is running this month from version of Android any right well you know what he doesn't have a landscape mode that's disturbing to what is also now it doesn't know yeah there's a yeah that guy was it four point one point two or something like that editor one of those point point updates edit a landscape mode but what's also interesting is not only is Apple eating the Google's launched with the iPad amazon's eating it with the kindle fire too yeah using a heavily modified version of android that doesn't do google any good so and let's talk about this this class of sony edge devices like you know they're sort of entertainment stuff you don't do i quote real work on it you're doing that on a pc or laptop or a full-size tablet and google has no I mean the nexus 10 is great is beautiful I think it's a lovely device if I have a choice between that and an ipad I'll use an iPad every time right they need they need to close that gap and they need to do it quickly because you know the future of computers is you know not what we were buying two years ago it is you know a tablet and you have a keyboard attached it's something like the surface you know it's something like the iPad it's something like the Nexus 10 whatever I'm google doesn't have enough skin in that game and they need to well Google has the investment is it just yeah you know think things are you flopping yeah fortune for google they've dried and destroyed and keep trying I guess como message is the longer longer-term strategy something that they can look forward to at least but but due to point about 7-inch tablets that's my kitchen and statement unit yeah that's my radio that's my streaming device that's and as for him so freaking annoying that I have a landscape mode so every time I wanna the I mean I'm basically an addict to the BBC iplayer right and every time I want to stream something from there download something I have to turn the tablet because i don't have the latest update which has a landscape mode have to turn the nexus 7 to portrayed and then get into it and dig in get to the thing i want to play and i'd put it back into landscape and put it down and also this thing needs is freakin stand because right now i'm kind of putting it right next to yeah it's finally available again yeah you can buy the dock and Otis bunk yeah well let's move on let's talk about HTC because you know we obviously reviewed the one but they can't seem to get the damn thing in stores as quickly as they need to Wall Street Journal had a report that the supplier is no longer consider HTC to be a Tier one customer which I totally believe we've seen you know shipment delays they were originally targeting late March some markets are going to see it in April now and whatever bump they were hoping to get by getting on store shelves ahead of the galaxy s4 is rapidly dwindling yeah like this is not a really create super solid start for them I would just like to correct the wall street journal reports i have my own exclusive sources and I can actually disclosed that the boom sound feature on the HD one was certified as being dangerous to human health in fact a completely modify the design and put it in my hardware modifications to suffer the freakish loudness of effect and then honestly like half of the volume that you can reach on the HTC One is well it distorts isn't that great it's kind of superfluous thank you if what I mean maybe it's superfluous but if it gets louder than say like my nexus 4 which I constantly am annoyed at the fact that the speaker is on the back of the phone and firing away from me when I'm holding the device and I have to cut my hand around it and it never gets loud enough when I'm watching a video or something like that I think it's awesome that the speakers around the front of the one and that they're blasting right at me and I think that that's a like when you talked about the the lack of innovation on samsung's galaxy s4 that is like one of the things that comes to my mind is like ball you know HTC saw problem and they resolved it or you know at least made an attempt to resolve it by putting the speakers on the front of the device which is very like kind of like a no-brainer thing maybe it's there's really hard engineering that's it required to make that happen but you know HTC did it and yet you know samsung what a generation without really doing anything different so I actually dread people Google talking me now because the one like shatters all my windows waiting for my ear it's like it is freakishly loud it is scary loud like if you have always if you're the kind of person that has always complained that the loudspeakers on the phones are too quiet there is only one phone for you in 2013 and that is a lot of fun that is the 1i it was completely unintentional but it's just the fact that they called it the one I mean that they took a digit from from mathematics and used it for the name of their device there's nothing I can do about that know if I'm if I'm the count I'm suing you know seriously that's my trademark 12 every time I count is that's with one look for the record I was also being facetious about the boobs out I do you think it's a it's an added bonus and feature writer to the rest of the competition is just very freakish loud evident it's it's well I mean just so that we're gonna go back on topic here with the the actual story that we're talking about how the one is delayed it's interesting to note a couple of things in this report one its delay mentioned as being related to the camera parts which is really quite interesting because the camera is something that HTC is like touting and it's it's one of the major features of the phone and it's one of the custom feature for this phone so it's interesting that that's actually what's whole might be holding it back from shelves and then the other thing was this other mentioned that if the one doesn't succeed uh Peter Chao HTC's current CEO has said that he'll step down from its position which is kind of insane to think that's as long as I've known followed HTC Peter Chou has been CEO so that would be quite a quite a shift for the company should that happen yeah well I mean we've been saying that the one was make a break for HTC and a bunch of people have been like no here it's not the stakes are that high what's wrong with you cut it out no look Peter Chao himself is like this doesn't take off fight it's right for me to step down like stakes are super high for them on this phone good but let me let me say though that I think that I mean yes I I totally agree with that but I still think that from a management perspective it's mistake to like pre announced that you will step down yo if if a particular product isn't successful I like it it if it puts everybody in a weird headspace it's not I I don't think that was the right thing well it's it's about being classy and in basketball is like if you hit the backboard when you score you have to call glass before the ball hits the backboard and goes in so people know it was intentional so we pizza chat what he's doing he's doing the same thing just in corporate terms so he's saying i am putting it all in the line and where you guys know that I'm putting it on the line for when we actually succeed and then he collects his youth credit after the one succeeds which anything so there is there is one potentially piece of potentially good news so you know freed over at all things do you have this report that she heard from sources that the one was in fact going to come to verizon contrary to everything you know we had heard that it was the other victory they're taking it and then hcc like you know didn't really say anything and then HTC's twitter account tweeted that the one is not coming to verizon but have you seen the droid DNA and then i deleted that tweet and you know posted another story saying uh yeah look it's coming I've heard it'll be late but it's definitely coming to horizon um so that's good news I mean there's no way verizon's gonna actually push marketing on it but you know being available on all four majors in the US is our super duper important thing for which Jesus whenever whatever it actually gets there okay if Verizon is smart they just gonna call it the drone haha yes yes yes yes it's culturally relevant it's a pun it's got everything I love it Jake just two points to not one which is the 2014 model by the way I promise you is happening s to the camera I mean HTC took that risk phone itself because the camera in the HTC one is custom-made for HTC by its abaya which are most likely Sony and this is the this this probably just one fabrication facility and they all just making those chips those sensors for HTC you have one flow with it you go back equal discuss them it's a risk of the company to call this one is backfiring but also been thinking about this for a while now about HTC's financial situation and the way it's kind of been going downhill for the past I don't know a year and a half or whatever whatever it's been two years maybe and the thing that struck me is that when Windows Phone several was introduced HT and Samsung go to the biggest endorses and decayed I mean HC let's face it came with the biggest hardware investment they they had the most devices or the nine devices three or four of them were from HTC it was crazy wild with the speakers speakers I bought that Wow yes I did well I mean you grows the surround yeah okay the HTC had won the landscape slider with a hardware keyboard had aluminum ones aluminium for a UK business and they had everything for windows phone 7 and invested heavily in that and what what actually in and this is a coincidence i'm not suggesting causation i'm just pointing out correlation ever since windows phone 7 was introduced which is kind of the peak of HTC's powers and growth things have been going on here for the company and one thing that I've noticed with Windows Phone is that licensing costs are significantly higher than we'd Android you know people for example well one of the smaller Chinese companies well actually it's a giant Chinese company but smaller in support for market herbs was saying how they couldn't do what they can do with prepaid android phones Windows Phone just because the minimum license is filled with Windows Phone is so high so they had to pitch their windows forms of contract customers rather than prepaid customers so there may be a theory that that you know HTC kind of always stretched itself with Windows Phone overspent and didn't see the same returns they might have expected that anybody might also be the case that we can make the argument that HC stretched its own resources which obviously it did we'd like the design team spending time with Windows Phone 8 s Windows Phone 8x giving them unique designs most recently whereas those reason resources could have all been pulled into its Android efforts nobody can say if HT spent 100 percent of his sign when I droid it will be all successful today I mean Sony's a good example of not being successful why being focused on Android but it's just like interesting alternative scenario I wow we've been going for over an hour we have to talk about t-mobile though they have got an event coming up where they're going to probably announce their uncarrier plans don't think that we're likely to see the iphone stuff details there but maybe and they've got LTE launching this month with the galaxy note 2 is going to take advantage of it right away presumably the s4 will when it comes out and then the biggest news is the FCC has approved their proposed merger with metropcs so it's not a done deal yet but it's for all intents and purposes I think it might as well be and Chris you sort of wrote a explained article that sort of tells us exactly what this merger means you want to get into that a little bit yeah I mean that the bottom line is that then I kind of spell this out in the piece but I think that this is the closest thing to a win-win-win that we're ever going to see in our lifetimes in the US wireless industry I'll just ever in our lifetimes period and do a pregardia civ context yeah greatest thing to ever happen to any of us ever oh yeah i mean it's it's it's kind of freaky and uncanny how good this seems to be from all sides the the one piece of bad and unfortunate news is that there will be layoffs at both companies it's inevitable as with virtually any merger but in terms of t-mobile's ability to compete with the big guys in terms of its spectrum portfolio in terms of its ability to raw LTE in a more effective manner this is just brownlee good news and of course t-mobile is still small enough so that it doesn't raise any you know it doesn't raise any sort of competitive concern verses eighteen t and verizon and i think it's very telling that public interest group public knowledge which follows this stuff very closely is endorsing the deal and and they kind of did in a back-end way they're like you know it's it's it's unfortunate that we live in a world where we a merger is a good thing in this business but we do and this is a good merger and and you should be happy about it and I i think that's that's kind of the case I think that for people who are on t-mobile and for people who are on metropcs they're going to find that this is very good news in terms of their ability to get LTE faster and and for people who aren't on t-mobile considering the value proposition the t-mobile offers versus the larger carriers it's it really gives you pause as to whether these are guys that you should seriously consider I know that I have I'm my primary phone is currently on ATT and ever since they've they've rolled out contract free unlimited data it's it's been it's been a daily fight an internal struggle for me not to move t-mobile because it's you know it's a good deal but you know they still they still struggle with spectrum in certain key areas New York in particular I've heard many complaints from New Yorkers about you know failed calls and and whatnot and I think that metropcs is really going to help boost their their um their portfolio in in those places so this is good news can we just have like a team-wide policy for the entire virgin box teen for everybody to just switch to t-mobile and support the good guys I am seriously considering you know just switching them on moral grounds but it turns out that you know I need to use my phone and and I mean I don't know I need to I've got it I think I've a tmobile reviewed and I need to see what the situation is like out here again because like what it's good it's great especially their HSPA stuff and so if they can if they can actually pull up what they're doing I've said this before then yeah I'm totally willing to switch away from AT&T because the worst man as bad as a eighteen t is a tmobile is is almost non-existent where I live so yeah I'm gonna just stick with AT&T for now so of course when are we when can we expect like actual real world customer like effects of this merger like is it like am I gonna we're gonna see oh hey they bought metropcs and the very next day boom they've got a whole bunch of LTE and signals great and rakes that's not gonna happen right well they are so in terms of the roadmap for integrating metropcs customers that still kind of up in the air they've committed to decommissioning metropcs a cdma network by 2015 i think and you know obviously they're going to do what they need to do to get people who'd over to the HSP and LTE networks by then but they are in fact we wrote a story on this they they have committed to rolling out the initial LTE markets this month and there are only what 11 days or something left in the month 12 days so we're going to start to see this LTE turn on really really quickly and they're going to start with the markets where they reformed their 1900 from edge to UMTS and they initially did that to to bring on you know to make the iphone the unlocked iphone a more appealing proposition and i think they have a total of maybe 45 or 50 markets where they've done that so far including any large ones so those are going to be the first markets where LTE is is possible because AWS has opened up for those LTE airwaves so it'll be very interesting to see which are the first markets to go live that we were initially expecting this was back in January when we were at CES we heard rumors sparked by none other than t-mobile zone CTO that that Las Vegas would go live they initially wanted it to be live in time for CES that didn't happen but then it sounded like it would happen by then end of January that never happened but now the finally going to happen and they've already started rolling out this firmware update to the note to us that those people will just be able to take advantage right away so you know what struck me is that although this conversation is not of the highest relevance to the European audience essentially probably even less relevant to rural people in the US and have you heard what Dan had to say because hey we're talking markets but we're talking big cities right so the first we're going to benefit from this rollout I probably gotten people who already have LTE options from verizon and AT&T I probably Sprint and t-mobile is just going to be catching up on those fronts it's kind of disappointing that you guys don't have more of a controlling states in government it can instruct the carriers and just sell them okay these guys have LTE leave them with ATT to suffer and to be some of the soul to the devil whatever go and get the other guys because it's like not everybody lives in cities and I'm trying to figure out how we can address I mean the other thing is the guys who are out in the countryside probably need LT a lot more well I could say to verizon's credit that between its initial rollout of the 700 megahertz LTE and then it's follow-up with its AWS spectrum using LTE that it plants have ninety percent of the population covered with LTE by the end of 2014 so uh all of the carriers and I know ATT as well is is moving full force into getting their customers or their coverage maps off of the 3g services and anon to LTE so I mean verizon is is way ahead and yeah surprise and safari hat um but I mean they they are all trying to get there I guess you could say well that's companies uh so we've got a whole bunch other stuff we want to talk about z10 is going on sale on verizon March 28 their excitement of her video is the worst thing ever or whatever um like her he's talking come on dude is Zeb 10 I'm sorry 30-10 didn't I I will see you I mean I never have I'm saying let's let's pretend to be excited about this boat yeah well well I know the day before that verizon Anna or the day of that verizon announced pre-orders blackberry announced that it sold 1 million Z tends to a suspect a mystery customer I guess you could say because they would not say who it was I by the way exclusive scoop I know that who that mystery customer was it was Mike Lazaridis no I heard of first folks so actually we should talk about the be provocative comments you have made by torsten Heinz yesterday regarding apples a 500-ton quote five-year-old user interface and while he does have a point in fact eater wrote about it at the launch of the iphone 5 hey I don't think I mean he is literally Tim Tim Carmody um who wrote about this yesterday and I were talking about this and what I told him is that uh you know Himes is literally just now walking he's in like the FOIA of the glass house and he's like standing on the front lawn yes yes he's trying to leave the glass house and he's getting some resistance the weather isn't very nice outside and but he's got all these rocks and he can't wait to throw them but he's literally he's just inches outside of this Glass House of his and he's in serious danger of hitting the house so yeah yeah i mean III get that that he feels I'm sure that he feels cornered he feels the need to be both defensive and offensive and you know it's just if I can't imagine that he didn't know that this was going to generate some some backlash and some some humorous internet humor around the fact that that rim should be the one to talk about an aging you I like it you know he listened his big mistake from the start was to refrain from making such comments because now I mean listen rim whoa whoa the company formerly known as rim back Barry when it announces that 10 the day of the event its UK one of its I think it's it's UK / European marketing chief did some interviews and also Dawson himself was doing some interviews and they were being asked the question what hasn't worked out why has blackberry fallen or such tough times what about the iphone and they just refuse to answer those questions and it was just kind of hilarious train wreck watching that European marketing chief going through those interviews they would ask him what went wrong in the past and you just refuse to answer and the trouble is when the company's being so conservative and just refusing to do any trash to hook the first time something that even kind of gives you the inkling of trash talk you know just a hint of trash talk or competitive language whatever everybody picks up on it and it's like oh here it is you show you some fight you show me some teeth etc said where's in the other hand if it was something like the nvidia CEO who goes a stage with biking jackets and you know has orange skin from who or the fake tanning that he does and just says most regis veins and a second firm does it is that confirmed does he faked him no I'm sure to agree with him he he goes to the freakin equator to get a stat I don't know the man is eccentric but that's the point like if you have this personality if somebody's going to say crazy things and you say something controversial people might ignore people might just let it slide but we toast and he's played it straight for so long that the one time you freaking comments at the iphone i think it comes to be really reasonable like it is point about history repeats itself is we suffered because we didn't change for an awful long time Apple might do to say if it doesn't change right I think they're reasonable comments they're rational their justifiable comments but now everybody's picking up on them and just kind of I mean a lot of people blow in a matter of origin as far as uncle well a lot of people seem to be focusing on on the the other half of that statement where he says that the iphones interfaces is five years old which it's technically six well i mean i just i mean interest which is it just a factual statement but what exactly he this is what you need to understand stating about people state facts um speaking of facts we've gone for like an hour 20 years there anything else you guys desperately want to hit that we wanted you as well talk about anything else hear from our I'm limine giant list of features I'm very happy and saddened at the same time with the gmail for android update just why are you saddened by it so that if you didn't hear that you can now here he replaces I'm sorry your complaint is invalid in I saw your complaint on Twitter I complete you that very valid they often tell you i Ferb starters i use both of delete and archive functions on in gmail all the time and you can only have one or the other in the notification so that's that's a bummer right there the other bummer is you cannot mark an email as read from the notification you can archive it directly from the notification but it's still marked unread in your gmail account and that's totally fine that's totally fine like like I use the search operators for unread emails all the time uh and and that would like just screw me up all over the place why doesn't it if I'm archiving it why doesn't it mark it as read as well it should thank you for a Toyota but also your complaint is invalid d the Android app on gmail is so far ahead of anything else for handling in triage yeah and I mean this this notification thing my god nobody has ever thought of deleting an email out of a notification before it's never come oh wait that's right webos one point on it could I archive you go to the straw hat to say that DITA yes I just happen no I have a I have my very first parody Twitter account dedicated to me Peters had it want to know why I wasn't wearing a hat I / what a troll right now by the way the camel casing on at deters hat is really important that you capitalize the H not the s just oh that beautiful beautiful note ladies gentlemen thank you so much for watching the Virgin Mobile show it's been a pleasure speaking to you and speaking with my my fellow co-hosts if you want to follow us on twitter you can i am at back long and or at peter's hat apparently vlad is why it's a bob dan is d CC for chris is e power we're all at verge you can leave a comment on the post that this show appears on you can email us at 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