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greetings mobile accomplishes welcome to the verge mobile show this is episode 41 which means that we're over the hill it's the week of April first but there are no stupid jokes here hi I'm dieter bohn i'm vanessa and i'm dan seifert and we are sadly without chris sigler he is on assignment it's a very important assignment it might be the most important reporting he's ever done in his entire life but luckily for us we we have somebody else filling in for him we have Walter White Oh seriously lied you look awesome you can just go any Heisenberg that's why I isn't perfect you need the Hat oh my god you need to get the Hat that would be amazing somebody needs to buy for me how to pick the serve him in the UK in the UK will have bowler hats and you know anyway now I mean this was this was actually very intentional i didn't have Walter White in mind I did have gianluca vialli his famous for my Italian footballer in mind and I was like if my hair is this short and I haven't shaved in this long I need to do this at least once yeah totally worth it I'm incredibly jealous I meanwhile I'll haven't had a haircut in six years and it's pretty bad oh sheesh yeah so okay we missed last week and for that we are deeply sorry and the level of angst in the comments on our sorry we can't podcast post was pretty high but doesn't mean we don't like you guys it just means you know we were busy I would you know yeah I'm short-staffed out here Vlad was away and you know we could have done just a mobile show just Dan standing there just standing there smiling not actually say no guys I mean I'll tell you I'll give you a breakdown of what I did last week so you know how committed I was I had to play Tomb Raider I had to play bioshock infinite I had to play xcom enemy unknown which has been out for a while but honestly are still having crank that gains amazingly hot actually what else was that it was loads of clothes done having nothing absolutely no chance podcast we'll make up for it today right first of all yesterday basically killed the news cycle hey nobody bothered to announce or do anything important yesterday because everybody was way too busy making the worst jokes in the world google had something like two months worth of work invested in speaking things yesterday and yeah yeah there was like more jokes from google than you could count on one hand which is just mean that's the way right um yes but it wasn't always there way because they launched gmail on april first 2004 and it was no joke yeah i spent so there that there was one piece of news yesterday that started out looking like baby was an April Fool's what turned out not to be in that time Charlie hindle uh who used to be product manager of Microsoft for Windows Phone we do so he's a Windows Phone evangelist or something now he had a bigger title than that he's a he's a great guy we've met him anyway he is going to work for Amazon on a secret project it probably starts with p h and ends with any social work and phonemes for them I'm not semi shoot so close um not so that that happened but other than that I mean you know actually the funny thing is April first is my mother's birthday so I didn't learn about April Fool's until later and I didn't understand why all these people you know were being mean to my mom it was very strange to me i don't know i wish i had a punchline for that joke but that second is just put it in CT at the same time you do have german heritage so there would have been a little strange things in your youth and chavez ticket is a german bread kid growing up in Minnesota well by my father's birthday is on Halloween so I just thought that like everybody had birthdays on holidays Oh work yeah I wondered why I didn't it was very sorry it's bringing back to charm kindle first of all I love this and I'm sure everybody else does his name is kim boo-ki and l and he is about to work for a company that produces the kindle which I don't need to spell but it's very close so it's mr. kindle working for the kindle maker which is not at all confusing that's the first thing but same thing is he's phrasing his wording is very nice because it says that he's working on something totally new for Amazon ah so so I mean yes everybody every evangelist like we're saying is going to tell you what we're working on is totally new its revolutionary it's gonna be kick ass etc but something new for Amazon is a very sort of phrasing I mean think about all the things that was on already does there aren't that many things which are totally need for that company yeah video game production might be a random thing that is new and might be done by amazon me okay he's not going to do that but but yeah every does look it really does look like the Amazon phone and shaping up in child Kindles gonna be part of pushing that well I mean that's the obvious speculation we could be way off base here but we've been expecting amazon to properly fork Android and do a pro phone rather they've already done it for the kindle obviously and actually I archives and what we've written about junk in doin he already had come in saying goo his lost in 12 Android yeah so he's already of the mindset let's say that Android can be split up can be folks successfully and Google is it isn't the one who's going to control his future and other companies can have that position you can kind of meshes with what amazon would be intending to do well okay let's um let's just jump ahead of the agency want to talk about Facebook because they also are a company everybody's been assuming is going to have a phone and this thursday two days from the day we're recording this will finally find out what exactly they have planned and it looks like what's going to happen is they're going to do something called facebook home which is going to be basically home screen replacements like an like a launcher in addition to you know presumably deep ties into other bits and bobs and then alongside that we're expecting that HTC will probably have a mid-range phone that it'll launch on but that it'll still be available to other phones when the thing got announced a whole bunch of you know New York Times Wall Street Journal came out with you know whatever rumors they have and then android police got a hold of the actual APK the file that runs this app and did a teardown of it and I think we learned a few things it has hooks in there for both talking to HTC Sense and TouchWiz in addition to standard Android so it should work on a whole bunch of different phones you know it's called Facebook home however at least there's a Facebook home logo in there they've got a little button to launch you know the app the app chooser what else did we see just a bunch of stuff so basically like we've been hearing for years mark zuckerberg say Facebook isn't going to build a phone and it looks like he hasn't been lying I mean what do you think is going to happen to people go to see this HTC phone its kind of mid-range it's kind of not that exciting alike oh the facebook phone sucks just like the cha-cha-cha sucked and whatever the cha cha cha's sister phone was ah-cha cha had not the status the touchscreen one it was terrible yeah yeah whatever that was called but I think there's there's been a lot that's been said salsa salsa thank you actually I'm sorry to break away but my cousin sorry you're not sorry my cousin had one of those two phones and he had an incredibly low amount of RAM the chacha yeah you could help you could fill out the apps on the I I had reviewed the status way back when when it was on ATT and it was like six apps and you'd fill the other thing and you're done but but you know what's funny even though those were essentially themed his facebook phones like that who's been saying they don't seem perceived as Android phones like my cousin for Android sucked right and and well that might be as mad as a diss Huck yeah well I'm sure they saw the good thing about me is that I managed to avoid using both of them for longer to like seconds but that might very well be the reason why the mark zuckerberg so reluctant to have anything called facebook phone hello I don't know that it dissipates Facebook's chance to get into marketers there's going to be in these mid-range low-end devices not is like a leading platform because Facebook doesn't have anything to contribute on that front side of it well I just know that there's been a lot that's been said this past week since facebook's announcement of who really wants a facebook phone or who really needs a facebook phone and i think the audience of people who are into technology and are into having the latest and greatest phones are not the market that's going to be like oh my god a facebook phone but you know when the average customer comes into the phone store and you know they're like well what do you want to do with your phone it's like well everybody's on facebook with their phone so i want to be on facebook with my phone and then there's this phone that is all Facebook through and through you can access your facebook Messenger you can access your facebook camera and photos you know really quickly and easily and everything looks like it's faceboook i can see that totally being a peeing thing for for someone who doesn't care too much about the specs they're not going to spend three hundred dollars plus sign a two-year contract with their new phone they're going to get like a fifty dollar or $75 phone or whatever i think it totally makes sense for that type of market and the fact that it's a mid-range phone it looks like it's running an older version of sense HTC probably hasn't put a whole lot of resources into putting making this a cutting edge device I don't know if that matters so much for what the type of market that might be interested in this thing that's angry that's really good I think I think what we've come to conclude with the south and cha-cha-cha experience a triple jar in Spain to avoid cursing what was that like HTC and Facebook because Facebook was part of it they can't too many corners with the specs right yes we don't care about the specs but we do care to the point where people like our cousins want to be able to install some apps like she literally had to disable things like Skype or whatever in order to keep using her phone right but I mean is that crazy that this was also two years ago too so like an entry to mid-level android phone today has got to do a core processor it's got you know a gig of ram or more it's got 16 gigabytes of internal storage I mean yeah today's mid-range and entry-level phones are way more capable than they were two years ago and I don't think that's as much of an issue as it was with this status in the cha-cha right so you could take something like the one sv for example right because in wvga screen it's kind of a morrow mid-ranger and essentially just adapt and just slept the facebook stuff on top of it so i let this discussion by asking you guys are people going to focus on the phone instead of on facebook's you know software and offering it across all of android and like you know what it means for facebook and what people actually want it on whatever phone they've already got and you pretty much answered my question by completely ignoring and just talking about phones like I I don't want to get too far into my thoughts and feelings of this because I want to actually write it and publish it on the site but i will say that imagine you pick up you've got an android phone and it kind of your kind of like yeah there's this kind of sucks touch so it's kind of lame I kind of like it but you're a regular consumer who never would have been a million years considered routing or even installing nova launcher or apex or whatever but you hear that hey there I've got I've got this facebook app and I know that it does about two random stuff and I'm it's a little bit too nerdy for me and I can't figure out how to use it for free voice calling and free messaging but I know that if I like click the button that's going to be shown to be all the time on the facebook app itself hey you like the Facebook app make your whole phone a facebook phone I'm gonna ventually do it and they're gonna convince me that I get free calling and I get you know all those other benefits and like they they they could become a big part of the market on top of Android now it's interesting is the part of this leak was that all the Google stuff appears to still be there so it's not they're not pulling an Amazon and just completely for getting away from Android it's still going to have google stuff built into their because that's the way stuff is built in on phones already but I mean I look at this from Facebook's position it could try and make a phone based off a fork version of Android and have every story for the next three years be why can't Facebook get more than two percent or five percent or ten percent at the max market share why are they getting pantsed by windows phone and blackberry you could either have stories about getting beat by blackberry and Windows Phone or you could have stories about how you're secretly taking over the entire Android ecosystem and like nobody sees it I mean that's an easy answer they're already trying to do it with the app ecosystem I wrote this report a few months ago and they're just like Facebook would rather be the connective tissue that underlies the internet then it would try to take on Apple for Hardware profits but yeah that's a given um nette name point it's a given then why are we talking about the mid-range specs on some random HTC phone this is a much bigger game well because that because I mean look you can't view this just because it has branding now facebook home you can't view this is like this brand new thing they're breaking with your tradition a facebook you've been trying this for a long we tough right it had those HTC phones you had a couple of ink phones yeah like in cloud many things that was running really nice pretty handy phones if you want a thoroughly integrated Facebook experience they had those but but once again exactly like the HTC phones they had insufficient specs to really compare people like it was just below the threshold where people feel comfortable using the phone and didn't feel any deficiencies it had deficiencies and that has been Facebook's mistake so far it's getting itself investigating his brand invested its phones which just weren't good enough so but as Dan says now the hardware is so good that you pretty much have to screw something up on top of it to make it efficient so let's not get up that's the top of the let out yeah I'm not ruling it out a tour I've seen sense okay I know and um but but they're being the case facebook as much better opportunity to make it as previously to have the basic hardware stuff and then to layer up some compelling stuff on top what I was going to point out was however first of all when you get excited dita your whole webcam shakes and you be in San Francisco it's a little bit disturbing because I this is what happens over there back every two words yeah exactly ah jelly jelly vision DITA um and finally to actually try to press your question which clearly is a big passion I'll software I mean I personally really like this idea of a branded facebook follow ya guys Facebook already has a home on its web interface it's a paradigm the people familiar with so the idea of a facebook home screen which is very likely i guess to include a bunch of widgets for like new strains and junk like that i don't expect to be really revolutionary in terms of you I innovation I hope it's not I mean I hope to keep it relatively simple as long as it looks better than the Facebook widgets that they've offered before right right so I mean functionality is always the most fun right i mean i'm imagining something like like blinkfeed i guess like you've got your new stream you got your apps and then you've got like your messaging I don't know I've no idea i mean i can't really envision it being useful to me but then I don't find Facebook itself useful to myself so much exactly its target audience but like to say I can't find the idea of facebook home okk poem that make sense to me is a starting position centroids a whole thing it's where i go back to and it's key to my mobile experience this is a big Facebook user yeah i can i can get with that yeah that's all idea is very accessible to people it might be so I mean one of the ways that I think about this is people like oh facebook trying to take over phones I mean one they get to go on like top shelf hardware if they want to because they're just going to offer the app presumably to people are thinking of it as you know oh it's Facebook vs samsung Facebook vs Apple Facebook versus you know whatever phone manufacturer you want I actually think that this is just as much about Facebook versus Twitter as it is about Facebook versus these phone companies because right now on your phone Facebook and Twitter are basically equal citizens I can't hear what you guys are saying back to me so I'm just going to keep talking haha you got an icon for facebook you've got an icon for Twitter you might have some widgets for but you basically get to choose but if Facebook can take over the home screen then it becomes the first class citizen on your phone and you're much less likely if you've got 30 seconds to jump into Twitter because you've got facebook right there and so this is a this is I think just as much about making sure that they take on Twitter in the mobile space as it is about them trying to beat Apple I mean it's not about that and in a Google puss that is something i can write yeah yeah exactly taken off but he has amazingly deep integration into the latest versions of android like Google and it's got one of the best looking apps on iOS but ironically yeah goo is forcing plus a new at every opportunity that it gets everywhere everywhere it goes is like google plus it's you're not talking your google plus talking you having a Google+ Hangout etc yeah like every chance that it can hook into google glass and get android users to be aware of google plus and then to become users of it it's doing it so absolutely azita says faithful versus twitter facebook home is a step ahead of twitter but it's actually the step behind google+ so facebook is simultaneously catching up and trying to get ahead right only one of his competitors matters and get a one doesn't yet but yeah any thoughts that yeah sorry i'm looking at something else dan can jump in i I agree I'm sorry I'm like totally under the weather today so I apologize but no I'm I'm with you blood uh I don't have anything creative to say he's not a Facebook user that's it I mean I I do use Facebook actually and I find that you know from my own personal needs I connect with my family a lot on Facebook that haven't be all over the country and they all have to be on facebook so that's where we go to catch up with cousins and whatnot um I don't use it all that often on my phone though so it would be interesting to see if this new software or a new device encourages me to use it more on my phone you know Facebook like day before yesterday just like put out a study that they had commissioned from IDC about how people use facebook on their phone and like I think that that is not a coinkydink they put on the twenty-seventh and it was like you know such-and-such percent of people use Facebook every day and such and such percent you know post photos and yadda yadda yadda so I mean I really think that uh we underestimate how much people would be interested in replacing their crappy touch with skin on their galaxy s2 that they're still using with the Facebook skin be like oh well I can just act like this is new phone I think that it could potentially be really huge and anecdotally my wife almost exclusively uses facebook on her phone like she she never uses it on the desktop she's always using her phone to check on facebook and things like that so there's definitely a lot of people that it's it's already a purely mobile experience for them and then uh Facebook exclaims or IDC claims that Facebook is the number third most used app on a smartphone at seventy percent behind email and web browsing accordingly this study yeah yeah you being consistent for a while the facebook app is being one of the top uses of phones in general with phone calls progressively going further and further down the list until they just disappeared yeah which is a lot which is the way it ought to be hello I kind of say I like phone calls lately hi man I know I know it's not cool to like getting on the phone but you know what's faster than having a five minute chat conversation having a one minute voice conversation such a I can do with a hangout or skype well yeah you know you know it's funny um the fitnah think we'd skype include it to a great extent is that people are now using them almost meanness terms almost at the same level as Google yeah thank the BBC I mean I mentioned it before the BBC which tends to not promote any I mean though it does no advertising most channels and steamy channels Tenzin also promotes any brands it automatically identifies newsreaders Twitter account and people say you can get in touch with us Twitter Facebook email etc the thing with skype was i watched a news broadcast on channel 4 here in the UK and i was saying we spoke earlier over the internet or always kind like skype is a different thing from the internet you know it would be struck me that uh oh skype not over the internet I get in that ya SE and it just kind of become this kind of a common language terminology now the way people say google it instead of search for it on the internet which is neither here nor there but i thought mention it well I mean but I mean facebook wants to get in that game right cuz you can make calls with facebook now you come here VoIP calls with facebook does it have have either of you of it actually use that like for a minute I guess what have oh yeah okay goodbye like if that's what I've done I don't even know is that that's available well funs over IP I guess it's not yeah it's not worldwide it's it's US canada new cloud I know it did longer yeah yeah it's just I don't think I don't think Facebook has at least to this point made that a very visible feature like I think right but the vast majority of the people that even even know about the facebook Messenger app that's apart from the main facebook app know that the messenger app can make and receive phone calls through it yeah but I mean tell me there kind of push that Oh totally yeah i mean that's that's their their angle yeah i guess um well anyway we'll find out on thursday oh sorry yeah it was gonna say we should move on because we're going to be discussing this facebook home scenario the rest of our lives every day all we do is talk about facebook home we finally got release dates and prices for the HTC One on sprint and AT&T and uh close enough for t-mobile and 1 99 99 on contract or on tmobile on for unfair contract for a 32 gigabyte version at that so I'm a pretty pretty aggressive pricing to come in at the two hundred dollar level on contract for a 32 gigabyte model and then att's got the lock on the 64 gigabyte one for a hundred bucks more so it looks like from what we've been able to tell that their undercutting the galaxy s4 which we learned also this past week that that's coming out on ATT for 249 to start but we don't know what capacity that model is yet but either way when you walk into store you'll see the one listed at a lower price um I mean I Gandhi do you care about capacity I mean 16 yeah that's a little bit short but like maybe our user definitely does i think someone to do it how are you guys are does he cares even less because they're they're streaming all their music I don't know man cap today the plans I'm I'm constantly filling up the storage on my Nexus 4 and I have the 16 gigabyte lan all right and you know as soon as you get on a plane and you like one load up some TV shows and then boom you hit your limit or you load up a couple hours of music and boom you're at your limit because you don't have data access or uh you know your your don't want to use up your 4 gigabyte data cap and then I'm sorry it's just worse than a photo program I have 16 gigabytes and a conf it enough music I'm just saying it's a zero world problem the the power users that are right i Gaga about the HTC One like to have more storage but how do you how do you append ordinals or whatever to do imaginary numbers like I say first second third for I guess you'd say zero with but what about I do you add a th at the end of it and rd and st iced I mean we can say the nth degree so and yeah I i I'd sounds but yeah yeah just imagine you're saying eyes and you have a lisp it's done so the other part the other half of the story is that the one is indeed actually looking to be hitting shelves before the galaxy s4 rise yeah by like what two wheels three weeks to maybe yeah it's kind of a bummer for HTC that they couldn't get together and get it out a month ago so what is not going to be in the US it's going to be in stores on sprint and AT&T shells on April nineteenth and coming soon to t mobile tmobile has not announced a date yet yeah and we're still in this weird nether zone where we think it's the rumors from Yuna Frieda at all things D she's like no it's coming to verizon and HTC denied it on Twitter and then deleted their denial and so we know the rumors about the DNA plus the more recently so I mean who knows he's gonna be called the drone every code that would be HTC grown coming to verizon yeah I like it no I know in essence it's tourniquet quick mention that 18 te announced its going to rolling out HD Voice which yeah they actually had our mention that at CES and then they just confirmed it a tad what will be ah so you know fine I I mean then then told me this morning that it's old and used but I'm still excited in so far as I thought you hated phone calls didn't we just have this conversation no you said you hated phone calls but ATT is a big carrier and when they can push things like this and I like HD voice like every time I've seen and used it every time seen on the phone and use that I've enjoyed it and I like the idea of getting the benefit of having a good solid connection you know when actually making clothes uh yeah I mean so this has been around in the UK for quite some time and sprint has had it in a very limited fashion here in the US but I highly doubt there's any real a large number of Americans who've ever actually used but it's just it's just as limited in the UK i have to mention oh is that really yeah i do know that since we're on the threat of HD voice maybe we can transition here a tmobile had quite a few announcements and one of them was that it would be carrying the iphone and the iphone that it carries will indeed actually support HD poised just as it does in other parts of the world outside of the US um so that's how you want to lean into adam keys but that means new t-mobile will be supporting HD Voice s implication right then yeah well t-mobile supporting HD voice on on the eyes like it's like the worst transition I know oh it did it yes Lana TZ doesn't make living into talking about Pearl Harbor by talking about specs on a zero zengin it's like did you know that Melissa the important point is that they're gonna have HD voice when the iphone launches and they get some other things too i don't really know at all they get some other little things whatever man look the point the point is this it doesn't it doesn't matter how we transition to the tmobile discussion like I just you know got a bit more comfortable in my seat I wish I had popcorn which I wouldn't eat but at least you know just a certain see because I really want to hear about this this has been such a crazy crazy thing I need something awesome about it so full disclosure we are going to swear it's going to happen so if your ears if your children's ears or delicate can't handle it uh t-mobile's John Legere score so we are too he is a dynamic CEO he's crazy bounces around and like he got on stage and cursed like three times before he got to like the main thing he wanted to say which is I think fisheries dynamic definitely uh so yeah he's like is this thing's stop the he wants to be the uncarrier and he like ripped into the other big four here again to sprint and t-mobile and Verizon most optimal ATT and Verizon most of all and unveiled these crazy new plans that we had seen before and so they you know we're basically what we expected and it's it's like I mean I was like immediately like yes I'm with you let's storm the castle yay and then you know I'm down off of that high and I'm not as sure that I mean I'm not switching to t-mobile because I can't because the signal isn't good enough where I live yet but I might so basically the idea is no more contracts but you do sign like a contract for the phone that you buy and so you can still get a subsidized price but once you're done paying that subsidy you don't have pain anymore and then it's not built into the cost your plan in theory which is great and then if you want to upgrade more often they're toying with the idea of being able to turn your phone in and they'll pay you a fair market price for it for the rest of the money that you owe for it which which is guaranteed to be less than what you expect it to be well I mean will be yeah then you would be able to upgrade to a different phone right away so if you already have a phone like it's cheap right if you're not paying a phone hardware subsidy for the vast majority of people even people that need to do a lot of heavy tethering which sounds really dirty even people that need to do heavy tethering it's cheaper and that's awesome but if you want to be buying a phone every year that means you're gonna be paying the phone non subsidy subsidy thinger and it kind of ends up being complicated about whether the other carriers have essentially gotten rid of that every phone every year upgrade from your phones i know verizon got rid of it eighteen t got rid of it and sprint cover doing so now you're the other carriers you're in a minimum of 20 months before you get a discounted price on your new phone so if you wanted to upgrade every 12 months with say 80 you're going to be spending you know full price for that phone in 12 months if you you know decide to upgrade early so I don't know how much different the t-mobile thing is from there the only thing that I can think of that's different is that uh the when you cancel your plan with say AT&T and you have your $300 ETF or whatever if you bought a hundred-dollar iphone and you put it with a three-hundred-dollar etf you're out like four hundred dollars in the phone is yours right whereas with tmobile you're going to be spending five or six hundred dollars regardless whenever it turns out to be because there is no ETF you're just paying the full price of the phone so if you are looking at it from that route it might be a little more expensive for you I think that's kind of an edge case scenario that not a lot of people are going to encounter but maybe an early upgrade ER or someone who upgrades frequently or jumps carriers frequently might be in that situation well for me the the best thing is just the issue of fairness that if I'm if I have paid a phone off I shouldn't be paying for a subsidy on that phone built into my data plan they should be separate things and that's awesome that's how it ought to be and so I really hope that they get enough popularity where every carrier feels compelled to switch that kind of model but wait let me just check dance numbers because that doesn't seem to make sense to me is the ETF with it let's assume I'm looking at an AT&T contract now and we're just looking at that iphone that you mentioned we're not from a cost of a hundred dollars being with the ETF really be three hundred dollars I mean your people rated it usually starts at three hundred it starts at like 325 I think it goes down by 10 or 15 bucks every month that you stay in your contract so like five months or six months down the line it's going to be under three hundred dollars but when you're you're paying it out well because here in the UK a lot of the time I think carries just make you pay a few contract like you say I want to leave my contract early and they say that's fine with us just pay us everything you owe us in terms of market feats and then they actually stuck up the monthly fees you get a pretty large number yeah it's not it's not broken doubt like that in the US it's like they have a flat fee system and then as you stay within your contract for a period of time it goes down every month that you stay in your contract I mean that yes Ben yeah I guess it's it's actually advisable to you I mean the mat the mathematics of this doesn't make sense me because then people would just buy up the phone for like four hundred dollars paid including pain of DTF early and I'm going nothing using phone right I'm glad no no that's because you can go elsewhere in the UK and he was 99 percent of the time your networks are compatible so are you gonna go oh that's actually one of the things that's awesome that's changing is starting next month the iphones that are sold in AT&T will be banned compatible with t-mobile right now they're kind of not they are little but it's complicated just like this pricing crap but they'll actually be for the first time since edge was the hottest fastest network around actual genuine ability to bounce between two carriers in the US without having to switch phones like we haven't had that since like what when was at like 2005-2006 yeah I mean so that's that's with the iphone 5 though and that's really only with the iphone 5 that is the only LTE phone that i could think of that actually ya know but I'm snack pack karam term there they're both of both t-mobile is working hard I think to build out a network that it feels is largely compatible sprint and like I'm sorry with 18t and i think that like we're gonna see in a couple of years the ability to switch between these two networks pretty seamlessly if you're not on a contract and like it's like it's been like not i don't know how long when one like a decade eight years a long time and that's another reason why this is potentially exciting is like we're finally moving to a place where maybe we'll have a little bit less insane lock in based on you know your bands and maybe look a little bit more like Europe like I'm I'm not interested in do I save 50 bucks or a hundred bucks over the course of two years if I pick this subsidy model or that subsidy model or if I buy my phone early how much does my ETF and what's the prorated la like I don't care about any of that like it's a few hundred dollars over the course of a couple years most people are too stupid or don't pay enough attention and I count myself in this group to like think through my savings over two years I just get the phone I want right now and get the plan I need right now what I'm done but what I am excited about is like making those decisions with team mobile it just seems like there's fewer like trying to screw you over closets it's like it's moving us forward to something closer to what our wireless industry should look like yes but the the problem is like it's easy to be open when you're losing right this is like it's easy to be open source when you're in last place it's easy to be awesome when you are about to die right and i don't know i'm not saying t-mobile is about to die I'm not sure I buy this argument I'm saying oh it's easy to be the white knight when you are you know when you're not the big guy on top I always in Gaza there's something Batman live to be the villain something's how is it haunted to be the hero and to have these things if you have big reserves of cash and a massive network verizon they'll tell you the answer because you make a lot more money by being a jerk about being open yeah obviously to that difficulty I i consider that an economic imperative i guess not what i'm saying is it's just a wholly don't beat yourself we can't give t-mobile like too much credit for like storing them a steal okay I mean it's easy to storm the Bastille when you're poor like not easy but you know what I mean like it's like they what other options do they have here no I think t-mobile deserves the credit for this and I think we shouldn't under state particularly because to go back to your point dieter about the less interested consumer right cuz it particularly like thinking about myself I've been away from the site the last week or so and an aqueous rack and then coming back I felt like things like The Guardian here in the UK dating roundups of news stories check these terms and and to me when I'm not working when I'm following the news on a daily basis I find those really redundant because like I've seen every single one of these stories seven times yesterday right but it's somebody who just coming into it has been away for a week those are the most useful things because I don't actually want to go and read seven different articles I want to read the round of utmost importance so a lot of the time people operate with very limited information like imagine yourself you go to buy a new sofa you go up to find a desk you don't need to be or you don't want to be a specialist in those parts in order to learn about them kind of have to be because there's a big pit Falls but a 10-point applies to mobile contracts you most people operate with the superficial tier information that is given to them and most carrier contracts like you're saying building subsidies for phones which carry on even after you've actually penfold which isn't fair to the consumer isn't good and t-mobile's push you in the right direction and there's just one other example want to cite which really frustrated which i came across recently and that's decaffeinated tea however I guess look at an entity why are we talking ok I went to college you well you will do you will be with you yahoo you and I would like circle back together and be together no it is because d cabinet it doesn't actually mean caffeine free right whereas i assume decaf mint it's tea without the cafe there's logically exactly it's reduced cafe right this is what the mobile industry does to you it uses technology like that that lets you make that assumption that lets you make that extra step where you think you're buying something that you're not 4g mama yeah exactly exactly so now everybody has a safe for LTE 4G so we know it's actually like the relevant pedagogy as opposed to the old cat 4g but but that's it that's it all these guys are kind of setting you up so you fool yourself whereas t-mobile is pushing declaration so I already carry out there you know the big guy that's Pro guy or if it's their only option I just cared of this happening I can the CEO swore and he didn't have a stake fashion and will say I was sitting in the audience for that and you know I'm doing my thing and I'm taking notes and you know prepping for the announcements that we expected to happen and then all of a sudden it's just like torrent of foul language comes flying at me and I was like this has got there suddenly rapidly changed it to the most interesting press event that I never attended so it was quite a trip to hear somebody be so candid upstate on stage and just like not care this is the biggest crock of I've ever heard in my entire life do you have any idea how much you're paying like was great I mean that's that's nothing sacred that's that's hold no bars yeah and I mean I this the only reason I'm excited at all for ctia in May is I hope to see this guy on the stage with ATT and Verizon like yeah that happens and they get to like talk to each other directly oh my god well then I'm sure if won't the past couple of years at ctia have been round tables like that no last year they did this ridiculous thing where we were expecting a round table we were all geared up for the power the CEOs and then they just trotted them out one by one in sequence and that was it and yes and what heavily scripted and who's terrible yeah but yeah CJ's in May guys gear up the semo apart by the ctia I know I mean I know all the other big guys are but they're talking a lot of trash are they still part of the wireless alliance does anybody care about what I'm talking about no nobody cares nobody cared an cares cuz he's looking it up CJ zza it's the it's the lobbying group that they throw you know convention about phones I used to throw to a year now this year they're only throwing one but they're the lobbying group that like you know carries water for the carriers and says don't address my eyes t-mobile USA is listed as a member of the ctia stone now see how much longer that last Oh what does it stand for say to the telecommunications industry as America and then the logo looks like it has an old-school flip phone between the TNA I if you look at the negative space they're nice yeah yeah yes not anachronistic tool nope it's a look at some fedex logo action right there negative space um I have nothing else to say about you I want to switch but I can't because yeah I my contacts AT&T I don't have any compatible hardware and I don't have good signal so like I'm gonna metal their business is screwed still I actually little hardware though because my nexus 4 is compatible with t-mobile's hspa+ network well I was I'm tired LTE here yeah I don't I don't have it well my iphone 5 technically will work on t-mobile's LTE network um in the seven or eight city said it's available in but uh t-mobile's regular everyday 3g signal where I live is nearly useless so unfortunately I'm stuck with the big blue um man who could these shows together we're blasting through stuff and we've got two weeks worth of news oh no something jerk you suck yeah um you guys want to talk about rim or the company formerly known as room sorry right the company formerly known as room so they they had their earnings they surprisingly turned a profit I believe which hooray for them and they sold three or million Z tends which may or may not include that shift sorry kicked big difference right but that's that and that also doesn't include the US launch which was like just the other week so right right so like hey they're not dead they're hanging on and they got lots of cash in the bank so yeah and Mike Lazaridis has left and hopefully the door didn't hit him on the way that's not fair he was he was a giant among men when I came to smartphones and winning days I think he just mean physically he's also a big guy yeah big hair beautiful locks just imposing hair I don't know you're the one that put these notes together what good we talk about John Legere san marcos you know Mark more quotes from him uh sure we've already gotten no just different people to say we've already got a super curve oh yeah you haven't you definitely need to go take a look at the super cut what for are you guys using these days my sim jumps back into my nexus 4 earlier this week really I was using the HTC One I just kind of got bored of it and went back to the iphone I also wanted to check out mail books I wanted to check out my books which I was a lot of that last dude it lasted about six minutes yes it is is I was being very obnoxious on a previous podcast might have been the last 12 weeks ago we're also do have my phone and I was just pointing out to people them like number 379 thousand on the mailbox waiting list I'm gonna say the most useful war exciting parts of the whole experience was actually getting from half a million to the front of the line and getting to use the app but the app itself is like I mean you have to bind to this entire new paradigm about later and archiving in a different fashion and then later in two hours later tomorrow it's like this stuff doesn't need to be changed the whole paradigm of email doesn't need to be changed labels and archiving and all that stuff that goes to gmail I'm happy with I want you to just give me a rock-solid ey and one that actually maximizes the information for me the the Google's own iOS app for gmail is pretty much trash in so far as showing you like the most using the real estate on your screen properly and maximizing it when you can see about six emails at a time and then you can see a line and a half which email it's very limited you have to get into it well I mean what do you want I mean no I mean you need to have touch targets man now that I mean II UK you can use that space of a better okay use a little bit it won't be as pretty it won't be a sparse but be more useful to somebody who wants to scan multiple emails at a time mailbox actually gives you less information think Google's iosa ran and is i mean III will give mailboxes the you know the act of reading messages and sending messages and things like that it's very fast and i wish that you know google would just release a proper native app for iOS instead of this web app rapper garbage at the gmail app is so that we can have that kind of performance because that i do like about mailbox I don't like the whole paradigm kicking the can down the road and I don't like the whole idea of putting my mail through another server not named Google um that's required with networks but as far as a UI of the app itself I think it's very very performs very well so i just wish that was in regular gmail app do you keep I mean doesn't man books keep any messages are flying on your phone no well like kinda but not reliably well that's that's my biggest complaint with the iOS app with the google io SI o mail this mailbox keep it up i think mailboxes I thought your gmail yeah I'm pretty sure mailbox does yeah mailbox does okay so I'm right am I give it another chance just for that um I guess as long as we're talking about iphone we should mention the rumors from The Wall Street Journal today what's more iphone rumors yeah look look man there's gonna be a Joan Rivers the world go round there's gonna be a new iphone this year did you hear largely the same now it was it wasn't until today wasn't through this very moment that I didn't know yeah it turns out this year new iphone I'm sure looking at you I just have something in my and then the low-cost thing is also not going away the rumor is it'll be the 4 inch version with a different casing I mean I'm expecting though they'll make it look like you know a ipod touch which I malicious that would be yeah that'd be great especially with the the multiple colors that was you well that'd be pretty fantastic I could I would be very happy with the cyan my phone just so yeah well I mean I'll be really happy with an iphone that actually does something with Notification Center oh yeah actually I went on a huge gigantic rant on the I'm or podcast last week about the Notification Center how terrible it is and how insane but it's like not even the worst on the market which is like like it's terrible compared to android but it exists which is more than other platforms in somalia if you care to blackberry hub it's way better than blackberry hub in my opinion yeah well black reihan Salam final product my long-standing theory is that Apple was aware of how ugly that stupid patent on the Notification Center is and he's decided to make it completely useless you never have to look at it oh because I never do it I never drag it down the only times ever drag down the notification in sort of a iphone is by accident then I'm like oh look at this thing it still has those gmail emails which I address left two hours ago and hasn't cleared them away ultimate yeah which android has been able to do since Anna so just fast and furious yeah free since Tokyo Drift keeping the Zika spirit alive guys on that wonderful fast and furious note I think I'm going to wrap up the show because we have other things to do we miss Kristen is just making a sad and lonely so if if you want to follow us on Twitter you can and you should Chris who's out here is the power i'm going to start calling as e power actually does anybody is their twitter user called Zed power there will be in like 30 seconds if you don't hurry up loading off yeah i know there is that power francois of lattice flat sava of Danna's DCC for with an e I I am back on we are all at verge if you want email us you can mobile show at the verge calm and we'll be back maybe next week probably who knows we're not making promises anymore because it just makes you guys mad thanks for watching bye guys see ya