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greetings mobloc officers welcome to the verge mobile show where we talk about mobile things facebook we're going to talk we're going to talk about Facebook and we're not going to talk about the fast and the furious because we are missing chris ziegler is on location report I don't think that's a good reason to not talk about the facts the furious I just want to think we just talked about to fasten figures anyway they got a release date or something I don't know whatever I'm dieter bohn I'm glad 7 i'm dan seifert and it's episode 43 it is the week of april fifteenth i am learning how to use my new desk chair I'm sitting instead of standing and so I'm doing a lot of bouncing around and it's killing me but it's so worth dying to have a chair what Jerry said what motto is it it's some knockoff of the knock-off designer something or other I don't know that it's some important it's not like an Eames but it's some like well-respected chair and it's a cheap knockoff of said well respected sure so nice um so yeah I'm going to d2 Davis right so why don't we show you the chair I can I could stand up and lift the chair into the view of the camera if you please do and then can send us about the office in the meantime oh my god we're good I'm supposed to talk about the office yes yeah so I'm in our studio uh in New York it's one of our new studios and you weren't a I'm wearing a shirt and I do have pants on because when you're in a studio with other people you have to wear pants this certainly worth beginning to a mobile show ever Dida was that ahem minute I think it might have been I told you it's knockoff of a decent shirt okay well okay well county doesn't have a minute knockoff okay yeah I'm satisfy had a transition set up for this but I totally talk let's just jump into the news so a dive into mobile is happening right now all things D puts on a conference I don't know how often they do it but fairly often is it's at least once a year maybe it's twice I don't know they've they've got a bunch of speakers that come in and drop little hints and nuggets of information and then concurrently with that we just saw a story go up on PC Mag by Sascha Segan and the drumbeat of excitement for motorola actually releasing an android phone that is good and isn't completely beholden to verizon is getting stronger so Dan you talked about you wrote about this uh this just right size story right uh yeah I mean it feels to me what's the what's the so um pcmag was able to speak to Jim wicks who's Motorola's chief of design and he said a lot of things that are like the things that we want to hear when somebody's talking about developing a new android phone he said that they're working on a stock Android device so something that's going to have the stock android software without a whole lot of bloatware and then it's going to be quote a just right size which he didn't specifically say what size that would be but we can assume that it's going to be smaller than the you know 4.7 4.8 or five inch devices that are very popular in dominating the market now for especially for high-end Android devices so I mean this is I feel like we talked about this at every single mobile show Vlad and I and all of us have been you know clamoring for a high-end Android device that's a smaller size and running stock Android and we were almost there almost there with the first so close I mean it's it's a mid-range device that's got you know an old version of stock Android it's very comfortable to use in one hand but you know it'd be great if Motorola was able to pull through on this and then actually make this happen when you say all of us but there is actually a disturbing disturbance to our agreement which is actually I think Neil I was saying he wanted a bigger device than the first yeah and he wasn't seen what was going on with him i guess i saw i haven't actually confronted him about that but I saw that earlier today and I negatives 4.3 right yes so I was bouncing between the first and the nexus for today and I gotta say I think like 4.5 is is my happy zone it's my happy spot I think if if the bezel is appropriately small and actually that's one of the things that the this motorola guy actually pointed out in his interview was that the bezels and these new devices will be made as small as they possibly can be which means you know that you can fit a bigger size screen into a smaller size device and so if the bezels inappropriately small size then maybe 4.5 inches is a sweet spot for that I think 4.3 inch is great but the interesting thing to me about this is there they're dropping hints about this you know next upcoming full and they're finally saying we're going to do something like stock Android which is great I mean they you know their last sort of statement in this regard was basically will do whatever horizon tells us to so that's good news but it it's not the X phone right like that's still something else that's the feeling that that I got from his comments at least at least one what pcmag reported it didn't he didn't mention X phone or anything like that and and everything that we've heard about the X phone has said that it's going to be like a high-end high spec you know lack of a better phrase balls to the walls type of device so one thing that he did mention in this interview was that they aren't going to be chasing specs with these new phones or more focusing on experience so a good sign dude yeah I mean it depends on what you're considering specs if he means that we're going to put mid-range processors and you know smaller batteries and lower amounts of less less amounts of RAM in the device and no that's not a good thing but if it means that like we're just not I mean what's look and I'm willing to compromise on right now screen size camera screen size and resolution not quality but resolution because like ATP yes I don't need 1080p and I don't need 4.8 inches that's what she said but no but you know I mean that that's that's aspect that I would be willing to compromise on purse right okay then we've taken that on board and the guys motorola really gonna put into action but that's actually a really good way to tied into eric schmidt's appearance its dive into mobile conference because when he was asked about motorola what the planning and they asked him whether it will be a new android smartphone or tablet he said think of them as phones plus 0 which might mean which might mean as Dan was saying that the motorola x phone is indeed boasted walls everything super specter cetera it might mean the thing I've found yeah whoa yeah this is you need to know what else I melton I mean what I was thinking is actually would go but I thinking is these 5 point something 6-inch devices which as far as I'm concerned are just one step too many I'm you know that they don't really do anything just right you know that they're perfect so they don't fit anybody's needs correctly yeah anything number five inches you can call a phone anything over seven inches you can call a tablet but between five and six that just seems like a dead zone my hope is that what he's doing is just saying like it's so amazing it's such a powerful computer it doesn't even count as a phone anymore it's phone plus like that's what I'm hoping he means but what I'm afraid he means is that there's some extra phone gimmick now if it's a watch or some other thing great that's cool but it's just something about that sounds nerve-racking to me yeah so I mean the only thing is loading is plus size that's the only way that I can read it phones phones plus referring to size and uh I was ok nevermind actually since Chris isn't here we could we could make a joke about there being a lot of big and tall stores in Chicago and so they make bigger things very much letting it go and that's a motorola design a phone so so maybe that's the inspiration that's Ted uh I mean if you only collect your focus groups from this little demographic where everybody's rights it's a phone that's gonna look like a deep-dish pizza if you want to send your complaints about our residents the city of Chicago you dresses chr is at the verge com that's the appropriate place to send your your complaints uh so okay we've got mid-range hopefully high ish range mid high medium high medium well range phones coming relatively soon from motorola like I I'm expecting if they don't announce these things that I ill but it would be awesome if they did but I'm expecting we should see these things early summer is my hon chan well I mean we see them announced early summer and then you know on shelves by back to school or whatever they call that the august-september time yeah I want to do sorry too but I went to the wrong Eric Schmidt quote because I that first one is not the most exciting one like the first class plane you can read it a million different ways the other thing I'm reminded of is guys like Lenovo have you talking about the pc plus era right right so the PC era is over now is a PC plus and then it will be the pc double plus good set reception so you can read that whatever way you want to read it the more interesting compelling and factual story from Schmidt is to say that Motorola's working on pure Android devices righteous the thing we've really been in you know gagging for yeah well fewer android devices I'm all for that but just another point of view as I hear he was like a cure sorry I thought fewer uh well right pure you just totally I was gonna make I had a whole thing that if you're as good as well I'm happy to help pay for fewer and fewer phones hopefully that means that what it's not going to be just droids right like I want to see a phone from Motorola that I actually want to buy like you guys remember the atrix HD yes I do that for the Virgin like it was totally like a workman like passable phone there was nothing that was like stupendously bad about it was just you know hey it's an Android oh yeah bad battery life could have been better yeah fine but the camera kind of sucked I think I'm just execute there and not you know give everybody else besides verizon crap then i could be pretty excited I would be happy to use a motorola phone you know cuz cuz you know I believe in America well I mean here's the thing here's the thing motor oil is always done really well with and that's like the engineering side so the the phone aspect of it is really good the microphones have always been really good the sound quality is really good the reception quality has always been really good but then you know it all kind of falls on its face on the design side so you know if if this influence from google is indeed legit and you know Google is having a hand in directing things and Google is influencing the the look of the devices like it does with the Nexus line then you know maybe they could coalesce and and make a perfect device that performs really well and then also looks really well and is nice to use and is pleasant to use let me just switch to correct myself it wasn't Eric Schmidt who promised appeals to stock Android experience and that's my own phone because actually today has been full of news because that in to Baba has really developed to taken off in other things have popped up so I'm actually catching up with a laser to the show blaring the centrist let's make a virtual show blab feeds the verge story time I mean sometimes I spend more time writing than I do reading for this website I mean we all know we do this at CES and oh those of it so I think that that just speaks to how hard-working committed I am unlike Chris who's off at the actual conference today he's he's he's doing work he's put up some posts he's not just gallivanting although he isn't the entire wrestlers day shot dreaming about the release of fast 7 can I say how awesome is that we know that the release date of fast 7 before fast 6 is even in theaters I was just thinking about that is awesome uh okay put together these show notes because you've got facebook home bits like strewn all over the news is I'm sorry it's been a busy day I through this together like five minutes before we came on the air so you know Yolo your yeah Wow somebody's gonna say in Chris's absence okay well I mean let's just do it because there's a whole bunch of Facebook News to talk about as long as we were talking about Eric Schmidt we might as well get into the comments he made about facebook home at dive into mobile e he said that it's a tremendous endorsement of google play and of you know Android and ecosystem presumably so that's great like Google at least Eric Schmidt although Eric Schmidt is prone to saying crazy things that maybe the rest of the company wouldn't want under sec well you know what's funny is I saw somebody I think I'm avi Greengart an analyst tweeted this today that Eric Schmidt is not known for being the best source of google news because he kind of just goes off the rails and says things and you know maybe it happens maybe it doesn't maybe the company feels that way maybe it doesn't but I mean if your google you got to be super happy that we talked about this last week that i like the the facebook home skin is at least like respectful it doesn't get itself too much into the OS and do a whole lot of stuff i mean that may change eventually but you got to be happy that they didn't just straight-up fork Android right and at least so far facebook's comments about why don't they fork Android why don't they launch our own alesso have all been about well why would we do that because even if we have something amazingly successful we're sewing and reach ten percent of the market we want to reach you know one hundred percent of the market or as much as we possibly can get so if your google like the fact that you're playing ecosystem still works on facebook phones has got to make you happy you have to do yeah I mean I think Google can look at facebook home just like any other can you know from any other Android manufacturers I mean yeah well Google doesn't have a problem with sense it doesn't yet have a problem with TouchWiz it might depending on how that goes because it doesn't have a problem with you know Sony's a custom interface because all of them are just you know eventually funneling people into Google's own services of gmail and google play store and google talk etc so the only thing that I could think of is maybe you know uh the the emphasis on facebook Messenger which is huge and home and a big focus for for for facebook might be a little worrisome to Google if it's trying to capture a lot of people in to talk but since google has pretty much ignored talk entirely for I don't know two years now Wow but yeah so I mean it may not worry too much about talk but of course then there's this rumors that we've heard recently about a Babel which is uh Teeter is such a pebble Rosen he's babble trolling me uh which is a unified chat service and then it becomes a much more interesting discussion to have about you know maybe hang out with us at all is not a unified chat service its unified II its unified esque it's it's google talk and they're gonna eventually do some like it tell me what Babel is because from what I can tell it's just google talk rebranded and they'll eventually bring in google voice messages and they'll maybe give you a unified client that has SMS in there so it looks like a unified client but really it's just all the stuff that google has now on a single app which is great uh but it's not synergy right i mean things that i will answer the question that thing then that's fine i'm all about that I guess but I'm not I'm not as excited about this as i was about synergy on webos in 2010 how awesome question for five ways when Google actually brought us to announce it instead of us gathering all the rumors and speculating and dismissing it before it's even coming to fruition around the poster Jeff Oh Jeff rotary yeah I know it's a gorgeous roundup oh sweet you discussed it last week I'm very happy what I'm saying is give cool chance to announce the thing before we dismiss it as being an interesting was a fun event lad I will take some encouragement from the fact that Google Talk has been essentially abandoned and untouched for such a long time particularly a mobile google knows the importance of all these messaging clients we had that rumor about google taking over whatsapp which was unfounded and uncorroborated but and shot that I like my word up it kind of made sense and we just posted I believe whatsapp slave stats which are kind of crazy about having more users than Twitter messages and Facebook that absolutely blew my mind the fact that that whatsapp has more you more active users in Twitter I found that very surprising and incredible and for the fact that it's a it's a paid app right like you have to buy it to use it and then if you I believe on Android it's a subscription or something like that so I mean that they're actually you know charging people to use it and they have more active users and Twitter which is you know one of the most talked about free social networks on the planet right now so yeah I mean look if you're I'm going to bring this back if you're wondering why Facebook cares so much about messaging this is the answer whatsapp is the answer Ellis and I went to Facebook's campus and interviewed a bunch of people about how they created chat heads and like that the source of where that came from and why it's so important to the company and Ellis put together a really great feature on it and the video team put together a really great video you should go look at all of those things but the bottom line is like this is what's happening right now on mobile these messaging apps and at least in the u.s. people aren't giving whatsapp the attention it deserves for the number of users it has and how important it is and you know they're making money but there's just a million of these messaging apps the drivers would be crazy but if this is why Facebook is putting their little chat bubbles on everything on Android if they can get you to use it and they also just brought the service that's the other news today they brought it to iOS you can get chat heads on iphone and ipad but of course it'll only work inside the facebook app and you know i tried it i use it it works really well inside the facebook app you drag the little bubbles around and you could swipe them down get rid of them you know so on and so on I guess is longer talk about iOS Willis I mentioned that they brought stickers uh okay yeah they're cute I mean i'ma give you things via yeah okay so instead of sending a little winky face or an emoji a little emoticon thing or whatever you get this larger larger picture and it's a cute little face or a piece of fruit or something funny and they come in packs so you get a pack of like all the alien looking stickers and all the yellow smiley face stickers and the bunny stickers and some of the packs are free some of them cost a buck or whatever so path sells these I think line was the first messaging app to do this so kind of like poke Facebook is taking something that had kind of gotten popular on other messaging apps and integrating it and you know they're fun you know instead of just sending a winky face you can you know you don't have to like tap tap it and then it goes in your field and you can enjoy just tap on the little sticker and boom it gets posted hippo can before Facebook I don't know about this what's up who had poking before Facebook it's no joke was yes this actually snapchat so poke is that the facebooks version of ephemeral messaging where you send somebody something but it goes away after they look at it and you also have Mark Zuckerberg voice sing book yeah but you know they like poke is not a raging success but they did learn stuff from it they're going to use that data I think that Ellis mentioned something in his piece that there's another feature coming for for facebook messaging that that is based on the lessons they learned from folks something like that so they're going to continue to add stuff and they're going to continue to push really hard to get you to use their service to just talk to people I says whatsapp and so is google because you know something needs to replace SMS and something needs to replace BBM and people love using their phones to do you know talking they love but that's what phones are for their for communicating with other people directly and duh everybody wants to like win I gotta stay I've been using chat heads on all my android devices since it was released to the market last week for us right yeah well yeah I mean I've been using it because Facebook was smart to integrate SMS if they didn't integrate SMS with it I wouldn't i would have tested it and be like oh cool and never seen it again i don't really get a whole lot of facebook messages but you know it works awesome and i love it and like you know i can be catching up on my twitter feed and you know someone sends me a text and I can boom reply right back without ever leaving my twitter app or I can you know be reading something and you know it's just it feels like you know the way that messaging should be done on a mobile device it's like right there it stays out of the way when I don't eat it but it makes itself it's focused when I do need it and it doesn't take me away from the task that I'm doing a hand uh or make me completely switch around and you know I showed it to my wife and and she did not care about the facebook home announcement at all even though she's his facebook all the time on her iPhone um she's like I don't want this on my home screen I don't want this on this cover I think this is stupid and I showed her the chat saying she's actually like well that's actually pretty cool because i always i hate bouncing around between different apps to you no reply to text messages when i'm doing something else so I think you know Facebook really did hit on something smart with the way that the chat heads I you know stupid name and everything are implemented on at least I on Android noises then let me actually bring it back to the point where I disagreed about Google treating this is just another Android skin I know your point was being made about the fact that Facebook isn't infringing on Google's territory and it isn't trying to take over the entire Android experience an environment the weather amazon is trying to do but the distinction with Facebook is just so many users Facebook has and how many uses it can bring to the Android platform we know androids become near enough ubiquitous has a massive market share it has a millions and millions of activations Eric Schmidt cited the latest number jet was was in the hundreds of millions and you're saying that by the end of this year he anticipates they have a billion Android devices out there with probably a hundred thousand of them running Gingerbread but whatever here besides that though even that being the case even if you have a billion devices there's always untapped markets and M it also stressed it's not about the two billion people that are already connected to the web today are already connected with a mobile device or smartphone today it's about the next five minute and about when they'll be connected how to be connected what they'll be doing and I think that's so so part of what to have success as far as I know what's happening says when these developing markets and that is probably part of the reason why it hasn't been such a big emphasis over here any in the u.s. because correct me if I'm wrong but you know people use whatsapp to replace SMS and in in the markets where it's been successful there's SMS is still pretty high cost right you have to pay for a bucket of messages or per message whereas here in the US most people are on unlimited SMS plans that are baking under their voice plan and there's you know a little reason for them to switch to another service because their their monthly cost isn't really going to go down right right exactly but what I'm saying is the reason we might underestimate what taps influence and importance might be precisely because of what he just said because it might have had some success in the US but not the same as his head in another market and the reason once app is important the reason Facebook is important is because people like details what was it no your wife down cuz cuz it deters work very okay but people like your wife let's say for example or details aren't our favorite example person they might be using facebook status of interface and all of a sudden there's a little pop-up they're saying why don't you try out facebook on your mobile device and where do I go to get facebook home on an Android device and then BOOM Google setting another Android device so yes when Eric Schmidt says facebook home is a big endorsement Google Play he's absolutely right because Facebook could have to the detriment of the user experience absolutely if it we could have tried to do its own app store could could have I don't know plugged into amazon stuff so could have done something else apart from google play but key there's no reason that they couldn't in the future either i mean oh yeah plants on developing this heavily they've said you know monthly updates and they already announced their next ones coming in a few weeks in the middle of a so there's no reason to get it's fixing to people you can play you will start spending some money the google play app so you will you will at least experienced the ecosystem and you start appreciating the good apps are there until I mean what this actually makes a lot of a facebook to do its own app store what this is really about is money right so is it is the amount of money that can that a company that can be made off of a phone in terms of advertising and in terms of app sales and music sales and everything else you say is it a zero-sum game or is it you know this is the sky the limit when you hit the point of diminishing returns so if I'm google the only reason I'm concerned about facebook home is that it will when they start putting ads on cover feed then it will diminish you know people's tolerance for ads and other places where Google makes its money and you know eventually the law in the long game you know Facebook could do a fuller take over and you know move away from google play but for now I think that it's it's all about well hey we just sell for android phones it's great for us and as long as Google can make money off of those android phones it's not a problem the it's when it's when people like start turning on ad blockers because they're sick of facebook ads and they you know associated out their phone or it's when they stop buying stuff in Google Play I don't know that Google makes that much money after play anyway that's what it becomes an issue but it is also the services like I said it's ads and services those are the two key ways in which these companies are going to be able to make the money hardware is just painting the obvious that you can't rely that to be the driver for your future income right pretty pretty much Apple can do it because it hasn't sir it has the entire reputation it has a track record etc etc and it also is extremely vertically integrated and actually having so much control over its production chain and being able to source materials and things like that I mean I don't know what it was a few weeks back we're talking about HTC one of HD suppliers not considering it a premier customer anymore right so companies like HTC who are relying on hardware and design just buy them by itself or the ones who are in trouble now so see ya again facebook home is kind of going a good thing for android today but it depends on how vicious Mark Zuckerberg is going to be in the future and how how much land grabbing they want to do right it's a good thing for now yeah I think that's all I've got I mean I'm really facebooked out guys I mean I you know reviewed the phone last week was it last week uh yeah it was last week I looked at the updates to I iPad an iOS on iphone I feel like there's other Facebook stuff I'm forgetting i know there was this story on Bloomberg yesterday that like somebody some product manager had said that well yeah it'd be great if we get it on iphone and like they spun it into well they're in talks well no they're not really um it's not like in order for something like chat heads to happen on either Windows Phone or iOS those companies would need to you know maybe need be willing to see like control of like the home screen experience looks like to Facebook and I just don't see either Microsoft or Apple being interested in that all right right okay the chit chats also make Nixon no sense with windows phone interface they just don't yeah they're they're persistent notifications that are at that actually work on our actually useful so of course I mean yeah you you want to make them work on Windows Phone just make it square instead of rounding there you go they tried squares actually that was one of the things they were was yeah the best the other thing is that on the windows phone home screen you can actually pin contacts and pin their faces that I'm sweet but that's not the point of chat heads at least to me the point chat heads is I'm browsing a you know the web and then someone messages me and and now I have to bounce out of the the web browser to go into the messaging app or go into this message or respond whereas you know chat heads response i'm not saying the windows phone has an alternative that i'm just saying imagine you actually do that you've actually actually have a group of people you contact so regularly that you just pin their faces to your home screen and then you have chat heads on the side it is going to be an utter mess with visually make with your wife's on the home screen and then you got your chat on the side for the other oh hey do you think people have ever had like really massive browse over how big a tile they get one person so sweet haha hi did you know hierarchy I don't think that's you know that's like going back to that classic Seinfeld episode where you know Jerry's and a higher speed dial with his girlfriend than her mother is or something like that I don't think that argument has ever happened to put Windows Phone device though just just a hunch I'm so no surprises some sign photos already done the whole hang go Jerry made it all the way up to emergency he was in the emergency speed dial so for when you need an ambulance first of all problems as long as we've got my Windows Phone we should point out Tom put up his review of the Lumia lumia 720 excuse me um and you know it looks like a really good high-end mid-range how do i how do we characterize this phone it's like it's like mid mid you know I think it's it's a mid-range phone but it's a really nice mid-range I would characterize it as one of a growing number of devices that just crying out for stock Android that's it like I know your name I need to give that category of devices a name the HTC first is the first direction and get it right so it's a service name but yeah other than like basically like the camera is the the point where I feel the most pain on these devices but it's amazing what a mid-range phone is now like the 720 and the first it's like totally acceptable for a wide range of people and a company seem to be getting the point that like you need to make these phones at this price point actually decent and um I mean maybe it's just the march of technology I mean I hate to use this word because it's it's overused in so many different ways but you know it's it feels like the trickle-down effect right yesterday's high end is today's mid-range and that seems like it's its trains like essentially the 720 is a slim down a thinner nicer-looking 900 right it's got a similar screen resolution similar trying to look and feel ram on the 720 s a bummer though yeah well I mean the resolution itself is a bummer because it's only an EVGA but and it is it's already frustrating because is the 720 just put a 720p display on the bus and begging for it right yeah absolutely begging for it it's like it's like the ultimate troll you know this is like I mean I look at it and I just think of the HTC 8x absolutist year yeah absolutely i as far as I'm concerned this is Nucky's very good answer to the HTC when I an 8x before the 720 though I mean what I I you know that's a really hard called either because I mean I guess you know Nokia's been branching out at software services and offering them to nokia devices but the the big draw for me at least is if i'm looking in the windows phone old and I'm you know exclusively looking in there no he has a huge advantage over the other manufacturers with its exclusive app services between ok music now Nokia drive has been you know made available to other phones but you know there's there's other ones as well that are really more compelling than what the other manufacturers offer you know with this phone world would make a great theme park I would totally go to Windows Phone world what do you anticipate seeing there apart from lots and lots of books yeah well they're the rides would have to be you know getting on a floating square and going shooting across a black ocean you could have like a free-for-all drop for Nokia's market share just called no keys Marcus shared it's just sorry it was too easy ipod you could have a hedge maze of trying to find quality apps yes yes that's that ok the hedge maze yes yeah awfully slow music angry today cuz like the thing is we all liked the idea of windows phone was just like we can't use it we want to and that's what makes ya to keep the hate mail from coming in next we're gonna hate on blackberry actually do we have any blackberry hate today uh we have we'll do a story you know I don't know if the time you put your bagman I believe everybody because this is melz we've hit Chicagoans we're hitting Windows Phone we wanna make sure we get everybody else fast in the furious yeah it fast enough years it's a terrible terrible series if I was America and I've embarrassing and I can say that because I know Chris Conte cover an entire ocean in few seconds oh I'll survive I'll live at least another thing you know it worse and faster the Furious for people that like BMWs oof ah and double sours and and and bright bright colored sneakers yeah are we done no sorry that was busy the Windows Phone bit the point about finding apps is is them such a frustrating thing to me and to many other people meet someone the guy who reviewed the 720 I think he under rated are giving it a seven I i would spend just as much time playing with the 720 as i did with Windows Phone 8x I really love this planet that but the hurdle that every Windows Phone has to overcome is the lack the lack of apps and not just that but also the amount of crap that there is in the woods alone at the Windows Phone store now that's crap in every store though oh yeah but it's worse there there there are so many fake apps there's so many duplicates there's just too much crud no I do Google Play is just as bad it's just that they've done a decent job of showing you the stuff that's good right well Google Play in and the App Store have the good stuff to show you exactly that's the problem yeah in Indiana plan I wanted to just raise is that Microsoft is exhibiting some of these same issues or Windows 8 I've actually started using it boot camp it on my imac lady and it just some things everything looks good and and their whole emphasis on fast and fluid over mobile and desktop is absolutely present and accounted for in a software and I know the software and the pinnings a really robust the some of the decisions they make end of regulation that they need to do are just bad and and the windows a store it's just as bad as a Windows Phone store and these things just need to be fixed because Microsoft is increasingly turning into the software version of Sony as far as uncle eating my eyes insofar as they do a bunch of things right and a bunch of things better than other people but then they screw up basic things that you kind of expect them to be able to get right I think that's more valuable to this podcast and trolling Chris oh you're so wrong all right hey why are we talking about google glass we have big huge google glass news yesterday that's in our purview right right only talking about it because it's purely theoretical now they're the rolling of the production lines they get we aspects and they just release package at least a SDK it turns out with the really interesting thing is that you they're not letting developers charge for apps or put advertising in their apps we know what the apps look like now they basically all are part of a timeline of cards and so you kind of inserted the timeline it pops up and then it goes away and you can scroll through so it's kind of like a instead of a vertical scroll through google now you've got like it like I don't even know how to think of it I'm totally screaming at it with the camera here of cards that pop up you can go to the playground at the SDK thing and they've got code examples of how to make a card really basic JSON and HTML you can actually go there and like play around and like design your card directly on the website it's pretty neat i made some troll ish cards to drop into IRC to make make fun of people at the verge last night just one question hero how much is google plus plus and which walmart do i go to buy mine from okay yeah sure it's like it's just launching to the people that pay for the the developer versions for like yes the Russian oligarchs and Josh but like don't you think that this is I think it's talk it's totally within our purview I mean it's it this is like I love you and everything is good enough for you can tell come on I mean no come on where the verge mobile show does not mean that you know we're gonna forever talk about slate devices that you hold in your hand eventually mobile technology is going to shift and transform and change and I think Google glass is one way that it's going to be going yes and if I can say Eric Schmidt for the 11th time this podcast because obviously things were only source he said during his interview he said that there was this prediction made about how you have about 10 IP addresses about your body within however many years right this point was that the next big horizon or the next big development will probably be in things like fitness and medical equipment ingestible pills that would transmit data about your internals and tell you how terrible that big mac is for your body in all over social so absolutely this stuff's happening and I actually think going to do something I'm busy playing Tetris on my watch yeah I think you're busy trolling me as well but the reason I'm not excited about google glass everybody else is because we are still struggling to figure out how to deal with 4-inch display how to best use it how to get people the best interface I think I think we're really primitive in terms of software interfaces for handheld devices I mean four inches seven inches whatever when you get into actual tablet sizes were spoken about that how tablet UI is part of Google's big sort of software problem with Android and it's one of its biggest weaknesses that is to overcome so given how slow our development is we're getting something as comfortable let's say as a 4 inch 5 inch device to be well to maximize its utility I just look at these tiny little displays that you get on google glass and just I just don't feel any happy anticipation and its people going to screw it up and forget it right like what is this interesting to me is because like look at the interface that they have designed and it's it's this weird interesting mix of completely ephemeral notifications and like actually useful stuff but they it's built for a thing where you only have a couple of ways to interact with it you've got some voice but you know I don't I don't want us to stop thinking about how to interact with digital things because we haven't figured out that is the first thing I mean we'd still be using you know Apple tues and TRS and whatever else oh sure I'm just using their file cost performance to indicate future predictions I actually think like it could be interesting like the the UI that they built it's clearly not too heavy for you know what this is and it you know depending on what people make for it it could be interesting now the big question is you know one I mean there's still the creeper question right do you really want camera you know pointing at you all the time the other question honestly is one day under standard use like that's not enough yo that is not a I mean yeah we're not fine where do we find that's not enough on our smartphones so yeah yeah that doesn't enough yo no sé I am I like my pebble less you know two three four days depending on how much I'm screwing around with it and that how much how much tetra circulating how much Tetris I'm playing how much I'm changing watch faces which is a lot now that they've released an SDK and you can you know download them honestly I wouldn't be worried about having a camera facing over time yeah if you're in public you don't anything awkward and weird ever you're you're a classy guy you live a classy life I'm I do embarrassing horrendous things all the time I I'm surprised I haven't fallen down during this show I'm sitting there I'm surprised I haven't tripped over something like look what I'm gonna say is if you're in public in any sort of circumstance alley again speaking to the developed world rather than the entire world most of the time you have ten or a dozen cameras facing you because people have their phones out right right you get it you get longer on the ground it's phone phone phone phone phone headphones plugged into a phone phone phone phone like I want to use my phone but I look around I just feel like it's 1984 and I want to break out of it so I put my phone away in those circumstances you silently rebel people yes I silently judge everyone which is a national tradition here in the UK just be a little bit different and then you can judge everyone that's the trick ok I got nothing else a book I mean I do but that clearly you don't want me to talk about class anymore so what's one so uh what is going on with sprint like this is crazy to me I mean this is something so this justice recap the news this week a dish network threw out a bid to to purchase the company for twenty five point five billion dollars which is a larger number than what softbank and they have variously gone after so okay actually I mean we could go on and on yeah this is you know the story line does my ears like whatever the satellite we could go way back but like to start with the dish saga dish really wants get into wireless they made a bid on clearwire to try and keep to try and get into the wireless game to try and keep sprint from basically fully acquiring them as part of the deal where softbank is buying sprint and like through some financial mechanisms and borrowing or whatever it looks like sprit probably managed to make that not happen because they have shared blah I don't even know but so dishes like all right fine you won't let us buy your subsidiary we're just gonna buy you as they may offer to buy sprint out from softbank like they're just they're just like the like the craziest like cell phone murder trolls there are it's amazing I guys totally hilarious it seems crazy but I mean that's a really serious bid right like that's something that sprint has to uh you know seriously consider and in the interest of its shareholders because it is more money than what soft Bank is offering uh and then you know it's a dish has made the argument that it's it can offer a lot more benefits to sprint and Softbank can because it's a US company and they already have infrastructure and other things set up here etc I think disagrees yeah of course something disagrees and and that's you know definitely pop act like you know what we did he know right you guys might be happier together so you know but it's it I think it'd be pretty crazy uh if dish did end up purchasing sprint it would leave so far you know right now ATT and Verizon both have either sister companies or they are you know offer the services themselves of a home broadband fiber based internet service it would give sprint a home internet based service through satellite but and then it would leave t-mobile out in the cold so that that would just suck so bad thinking about it right now creating this hegemony of ah I don't even live in the US and I'm scared for you guys if you just have three or four even four major companies and they have control of your broadband connectivity oh come on janitor's world five companies control loading channel five percent of all media like we're already swollen guys you have to fight it yes you got to put that phone away give a disapproving look I know that it sounds scary to have yet another giant corporate hegemony um but I gotta say Charlie Ergen uh guy charged a dish is hilarious 200 well he's not allowed on success is not John Legere hilarious no let's not go that far he's pretty good like uh we'll put a link in the show notes he was at the dive into media conference to talk about dish and talk about the hapa and everything else earlier this year and um I mean he's just super funny i I'd highly I really enjoy having him uh you know running a cell phone company listen don't undersell softbank CEO because this guy is extremely ambitious he was inspired by steve jobs i believe i think chris wrote up a really nice profile on him when the whole softbank offer was put forward initially i think actually one of our I think Jeff did in Japan just alright Curt I know I know Chris was involved in it because he was he was saying how soft Bank CEO is a complete badass and we need to write write about it and discuss it so this potential there there's something for us to explore on the CEO front which is evidently so important to data but more intriguingly also dish of describe their proposal is a merger so not necessarily a takeover and there was a rumor suggesting that what the dish is trying to do here is put together the foundations for potential future merger with tmobile down the line which is a room d-3 shaking his head so I'm good I'm just like in my sense like Verizon offered to buy some spectrum off of clearwire recently we had this crazy you know if you read the SEC filing about how the sprint softbank deal came together all of these sec filings always got the company a so this and company be set this and that company d yeah I think frozen verizon the verizon clear oh I think they were like company j yeah company yeah is is way down the line I mean if you're if you're an executive of a wireless company or a company that wants to break into wireless in America you must just be spending all of your time drinking scotch and smoking rooms trying to make sneaky deals with people that must be all you do because that's all they're like this there's all their due time for given how much crap we see these people trying to you know get together and do stuff it blows my mind like how much like back what what what drink do you think Charlie Charlie Ergen orders the data this is what executives doomed that's the whole point that's what you learn in those NBA's that people take smoking rooms or during the ride drink on the rocks hold the something else no need howdy LA and the olive the fact that there's even an olive in the conversation shows that you're never gonna be but do you drink yes yes I drinkwise inside milk soy milk I'm drinking coconut milk lately unsweetened dude you know what coconut milk you need to check your ingredients because Oh No Deal is terrible there's nothing there's like there's like this is what I'm saying one of these almond milks and literally there is a brand of almond milk in the UK where the first ingredient is sugar because it sucks sugar in them open and you have the list ingredients by size by pure volume just like water sugar omens no put something percent it's yeah and that's corporations for you there you go it will push the end cuz of the smoky rooms sit I think we're also bit outdated now smoking rooms are I don't know man way back there with Lucky Strikes in happy well I don't know I think I can't you have that in like a private club where all these guys are going to be right well I I just I just think modern executives modern CEOs are a bit more health-conscious nowadays so maybe maybe to do it in poorly lit gymnasiums or something like that Thomas maybe to do what I'm breaking a sweat and matching it up in front of one another wow I imagine that if that's a deals get done it's like you know what if steam room which is fought me on the scale if you Steve Ballmer challenges even eat up and says dude if you could do 40 push-ups on your knuckles on your knuckles right I will give you a billion dollars per yeah I promise I'm Stephen Elop surprises him and does those push-ups and this is why Nokia now gets a billion dollars EU from Microsoft so good but on what serious point actually on a more serious note thank you because I can't think about these hangouts and the fact that i have this custards colored background I'm not sure bring us back on topic dude this isn't telling this isn't topic and then I thought about when people get caught in on skype unlike official news broadcast and things like that and you have professors and academics and the way they prove the academic credentials most of time is that their background is always a library stack full of books and the more academic they are the more uniform house books are like vol.1 thick leather bound volume to volume 3.45 I think Dida has volumes but i think is something like yellow hospitable in at home is that why light yes i think he's got the your games it'll crash I'll snow crash nice new media politics who train manifesto by 50 50 shades of grey the city of tomorrow and it's planning little caboose ta what's up Priya pretty hipster collection but but my point was that over time all of these things are kind of eroding and all of the furniture that used to have in in your regular living room things a con topic this isn't something that bear with me go there with me it's just the topic comes at the end it's like it's like I don't know what's a good analogy but the good stuff comes at the end but it's fair with me here I really hope it does the point is all the regular furniture that people used to have like if I want to be well informed I would do well to have my own library specs like I known as in my house in Bulgaria one of one of the walls in one of our biggest rooms in the house which is dedicated to libraries and books and that's how you got your information now these are the older books that my parents read and then their books that I would have access to but now you can just get it in phone now you can just get it in a mobile device and in a kindle so either even the whole reading experience doesn't degenerate by going digital but you can get all of that contracted and the other phone it was actually a study that just came out that the way our brains work we recognize letters as physical objects and so moving into digital actually impedes our reading comprehension because our monkey brains can't handle digital words as easily as we can of his accord it's true fair enough although where's the pill waiting for the a little no one's is to two-dimensional coming whether or not Kim the Warner book page just saying man science can't argue with science oh yes we can if it's statistically based a statistically food piece of research you can there is such a thing as bad science that's true but you can't argue with good size this is great science there's less okay there's also weird science uh from the mid 80s ladies did we get to your point lad did it happen did we hear it my point data is that this home mobile and digital revolution I'm including large screen TVs in this because i was thinking i don't actually need one or want to use one because there are old these are the devices of the Moshlings on like the mobile digital revolution is changing everything and that's what I had noticed recently that even the way we furnish our homes is going to change like nowadays the people who actually do dedicate space in their homes for physical book libraries or either legitimately into the physical tomes and get actual pleasure out of it or just hipsters who want to present themselves as being academically well you have to the data to the data Jones close the world the two could go together I'm just okay so you can be both vain and in love with physical books i grant you dad I've made my point we can move on we can move on this way to CEOs oh really she posed this podcast in reverse order because it's gotten better and better instead of them hey hey t-mobile met I don't even there's nothing I could possibly bring out that happen in the mobile world that is anywhere near as interesting as what just happened oh the flag resistant retailing and how blackberry freaked out yeah okay we've seen these like they've returns of outpaced sales stories before and they usually end up being wrong and usually the companies like know whatever but blackberry totally flipped out and they said it's absolutely false and they asked for regulators to investigate the issue I don't know I mean I they did better than I expected the last quarterly call and they're going to have their blackberry live thing in orlando next month so hopefully will actually release the the q10 because that's the one I think I'm ready for no I'm serious look use the fact that we're still waiting for that too it is ridiculous actually they need to get that thing out the door I actually do what wish that they would make a vertical slider because because they did so well with the torch naked all right what's a torch I still see torches no I mean it'sit's it but it was a bad device that's what they executed so well with the torch is what I was trying to say well I mean I think that given the constraints of the operating system that they were still working with but that wasn't the problem with the torch the torch was it had a bad screen and a bad keyboard and like that was the two things that you want on a vertical sliding portrait keyboard phone is a a good screen like obviously a good keep March I thought it was okay if you compared to like a bold keyboard I mean it was no comparison is flat it was mushy didn't have the big wheel savages me too keyboard to the torch keyboard so that's that's kind of everything you need to know right there let me throw in a laypersons experience here because Thomas Ricker who is our European editor and one of our most senior voices in most experienced voices on the side decided to listen to Paul Miller ones and bought well advised his wife to buy a torch home so Paul Meadows like I'll not do does he the torch it's kind of nice so then Thomas is why she bought a torch and she was just thoroughly very disappointed with it surprising Thomas still married well surprisingly indeed because Thomas brings it up every time you see spoke is like a pro remember not to so maybe dieter maybe if they're able to rely actually execute well on a new version of the torch how we're doing people in the background Katie mayor come on this is great no helmet yep Levi's holding the first that's what he wants everybody to know yeah the eye on Sergei phone okay so I have neither oh my god second person is this is terrible completely over like a real-life chat head I'll leave now I think that's an excellent way to wrap us this episode in the merge mobile show ladies and gentlemen with real live chat heads the verbal will show thank you so much for watching and listening and bearing with us we're go get some sleep and drink heavily not in that order if you want to follow us you can and you should we're on twitter i am at back lawn Vlad's I flats above dan is DCC for Chris who's not here is Zed power not GV but just said we're all at verge you can email us you can leave a comment on this post right now or when they put these show up properly and thank you so much and next week are we back oh one one one thing that I'm getting a reminder that we're up for a bunch of webbie's so go vote oh yes yes we are five I think right yeah yeah so please go vote and we'll catch you later see I