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greetings mobile accomplishes welcome to the verge mobile show this is episode 44 for the week of april twenty second 2013 I am dieter bohn i'm dan seifert and assuming i'm not muted i'm chris sigler yeah we are we are sadly without glad sava of today and the the feature that chris is referring to as google hangouts will now mute you when you start typing which i guess is great only we never stop typing ever ever ever so yeah I lift my fingers up from the keyboard and they're just moving see like I just can't stop so you just need to move to an elk our system or we were tapping on glass like on Star Trek by the way Dan that's why we call you to Dan magic fingers Seaford not to be confused with Dan jazz hands see four totally different dance jazz hands are the you know but magic fingers right a totally different ball game I I really apologize to people that are only listening to the audio broadcast of this it was like the amazing magic fingers and jazz hands could you do magic fingers at the end of jazz hands so let's let's let's see here got jazz hands I think I can transition them there we go that's a pretty smooth transition wow I used to do the the hex thing you know 11 i had one way back i think i look on that from a faith no more video Oh Mike pen oh how nice connell so anyway this is a virgin mobile show where we talk about mobile things and if you're watching and you're listening you're surely aware of that right now because I just told you and it's been a relatively quiet weekend news and I am still recovering from an illness whose name I cannot I'd I don't know what it is I'm thinking it's just the worst allergies ever but like allergies of not I don't know anyway it sucks but we're here and we're going to talk about things and I guess the big thing going on right now is its earnings week so every single company ever is announcing its earnings for the quarter we've heard a few we were verizon we're hearing 18t any minute now actually Apple is also going to happen today and we also heard from Nokia who posted a loss which you know as anybody shocked at all by Nokia posting a loss can't get it I am oh thanks ah I guess I owe you a coke but yeah I mean it's it's not surprising to many people who have been following the industry if you've been following Nokia's earnings for the past few quarters and even a few years at this point a loss is kind of par for the course yeah but they actually they sold more lumia windows phones are up to 5.6 million for the quarter which is the most i've ever sold but i gotta say 5.6 million in a quarter sounds pretty lackluster to me like if you're gonna be a big player you need to do ten times that well i mean it is black luster if you're looking at a single US carrier cells that many iphones in a corner so you know for a whole company worldwide under 10 million in sales in a quarter is really you know not competitive at all and the really bad news for them is the sales of their quote unquote smart devices so non Lumia phones smartphones Indian phones basically just plummeted they went from eighty six point three 260 1.9 um that's a huge drop and that I mean that's been you know Nokia's moneymaker for years and years and of course you know we knew that that was going away but that that's pretty fast in my opinion did we know it was going away I don't know if I necessarily eventually maybe um here Chris gotta know if I'm with your connection I didn't know those just a or what you please looks like amorphous blob it looks like the kids on the train from the wall if you don't I'm talking about no oh yes I know when they go by and their heads are shaken or what yes yeah it's what you just look like that is really upsetting and disturbing I'm sorry that you need to put up with that so actually I think what it is this time normally I blame my connection but this is one of those situations where I think actually blame my process or the M being just being the mere act of being in a google hangout causes the the poor processor on this this macbook air to peg and cause my fam to go on high and I think it's just it's struggling pushing my the bits of my face out onto the interwebs is really really there any other time I would let that comment or that excuse slide but I've done every single virtual will show with macbook air so yeah but I'm also rendering toy story for this macbook air right now so good point yeah hang on way to be is there gonna be a toy story fast and furious crossover no but there is going to be wouldn't it I proposed on Twitter this week and I got some pretty positive responses I proposed a crossover of only God forgives and fast and furious so it'd be called only God forgives the fast and furious that's starring Ryan Gosling the rock you know all the usual players I'm pretty sure my heads explode let's just say that Ryan Gosling would have no problems beating the crap out of Paul Walker it wouldn't even be a contest yeah I think that's a given I tenth well eat Ryan Gosling from drive I agree um I don't know I Gosling from the notebook pretty tough I was about saying right now something notebook I'm not so sure but what I am however what wait we're not done talking fast no just curious all right uh I wasn't around last week when the news broke the fast fast & furious 7 did you listen show no oh he really should we told you pretty good oh man now I'm depressed it was so good that I don't even remember what the troll was so I can't reenact yeah it was it was something about how fast the furious movie will do almost as well the box office as Michigan in the finals of the NCAA so extremely well is it what I'm hearing extremely low but the faltering at the end better than sixty two other teams in the Indian market final game not the whole tournament just the file that's a pretty harsh troll anyway that's talking out yet even though nokia is uh you know they made they had a loss they did sell handful more Lumia phones but apparently you know they're not stopping the Lumia train because the CEO Stephen Elop hinted that new Lumia devices are going to be happening later this quarter and we've had a couple of leaks of a couple of them the bloomberg is reporting that that Lumia 928 which we've seen or heard a couple of times I think we've actually seen renders or alleged pictures of it already is going to be coming next month in many which is like right around the corner right so and I kind of wish you yeah I mean how do you guys feel about the 928 because I the more I think about it the angrier I get it's just a 920 with the Xenon flash right right and okay that's cool it's aluminum right no it's not it's all the original rumors that it was aluminum apparently they either had some trouble with the manufacturing or like they didn't like the feel of it or something happened and they switched to like this brushed plastic I think boo so I want to know what's verizon stelio go like there's rumors that the one is coming now finally to the carrier but why can't they just released phones that everybody else does like why is why are they still in 2013 hanging on to this like exceptionalism like like verizon has manifest destiny to own the entire wireless market and they'll release phones on their schedule when they feel like it and it doesn't matter what the manufacturers one it doesn't even matter what consumers want they just you know it's all about verizon and i just like this is coming super late relative to the 920's release and i don't get why Verizon can't just you know except like give us the same thing that the other guys are getting well it could be with the case of the 920 it might be that 80 secured an exclusive yeah yeah I guess that's possible probable yeah because it verizon did release the other one they'd and i was i was going to work into a really big full-throated rant their age you know what i think it I mean there's also the these the exclusive a component of it but also you know Verizon's the biggest carrier in the US it's making bank does it really have to change what it's doing yeah I don't even did we even do the story about their quarterly results horizons I think we didn't like it was like yeah other verizon they do what prize and does they make money at it you know customers yeah yeah that's exactly it right like when your verizon when you're that big and you have this hangover of creating the droid brand so you know you have a very very large head or a a Dan meet size mustache it's difficult to sort of put that aside and why frankly from a business perspective why would they I mean it's it's a very pragmatic and kind of upsetting thing to say but at the end of the day why would you you know change courses when you're doing extremely well you're the largest carrier everything is going your way you're making money yeah all right fine whatever okay so but there is another Lumia that I'm a little bit more excited about this catwalk right or is this the same thing as 9 28 no they can't 101 this is this is new and we see some pictures that we weren't sure about but um tom was labeled the verge tom was able to verify the images um this looks I don't know it looks fine it doesn't look like the hottest thing ever but like these early images are always kind of ugly looking I was going to say fugly and they are um but did that cameras pompon it looks huge right well I think it's all relative we're not seeing it next to like say the 920 I mean if this device is actually thinner than the 920 but it's got a st. similar camera module then there has to be a hump for it right so well at this point I mean I I hate to say this about nokia maybe I don't hate to say it but at this point I don't think it's about their hardware or their roadmap the ball is back in Microsoft's court yet again they need to iterate on Windows Phone 8 is getting along the tooth and it's got issues some of which are their fault some of which aren't google so they they they need to to push a new version that kind of gets Windows Phone back in front of people but forces it back into the pub of the public conscience and right now they're not there and I don't think that iterating on the hardware and releasing other windows phone 8 device is going to do any good imagine if I mean obviously this kind of a messed-up analogy but just imagine for a moment if Apple released a bigger or smaller iPhone right now running iOS 6 people would be like what the heck the iOS iOS 6 is old it's lame we've been saying it for a year now they need to really do something different so we're expecting of course that the next iPhone will have iOS 7 and and nokia is kind of in that position now I think so I mean okay we talked at length about you know why we as power users can't use Windows Phone um but you know is it why can't it catch on at all like is it just that I can't doesn't have the apps is that the is that the long and the short of it still like for me it's it's I can I can specifically site free things off of top my head that are major issues for me one is that the animations are really cute for for half an hour to an hour and then you start to realize quickly that they're slowing you down with literally everything you do to UM apps are still an issue I'm not going to lie I mean they added tumbler today which is great but like the uber app for example which i used a goalie in Chicago is a rapper of their they're awful mobile site wait uber daily yeah all the time NASA not oberon oh no not not uber black in Chicago we have taxi over so you know just calls you a taxi and yeah actually no I take that back i am actually calling black cars every day and glassy and the third thing is oh the email at the email app is a sick joke so those three things are ever together a big problem insult to injury there's no Starbucks app yeah well yes thank you Dan okay like two of those three issues sound like powers like power user issues to me like two of those three issues is like yeah well you know you're crazy glar but i can't imagine an average consumer cares about those things is he apps thing that that I think kills it for them and what can I just say as long as we're on the subject that the two insta with love thing that is is it nokia that's driving it or yeah that's a no project oh I'm so tired of it i tweeted last week that like I want an Instagram to come to Windows Phone just so I can stop hearing about how this one doesn't have Instagram yeah you know I mean at some point you just you're making yourself look sad bye yeah putting that kind of like trying to get that kind of Republican soon approach oh you really are yeah it's you know big it's our jobs as futile as it might be it's still your job as as nokia or as microsoft to explain to users what their alternatives are and why they don't need Instagram instead of publicly pleading for Instagram becomes the black woman well how badly do you think those negotiations went that they decided this is the right tactic you know well i guess was nokia involved in those discussions or negotiations you'd think it would be microsoft and Instagram that would be talking microsoft a facebook now that would be talking and maybe maybe nokia was just totally left out of off the table and left out of the conversation so they said we're gonna we're going to do a hashtag that's that's our strategy I mean look when that when the next round of Windows Phones is released I will try one for a few days i will get upset i will throw it against the wall then i'll wait for Windows Phone 8.5 or nine well I guess it'll be Windows Phone blue release code name I guarantee you what everything is we're going to say is when it comes out we're going to be like this hardware is phenom I wish it ran stock Android haha I've been saying that since Thea n9 which i still i mean i still have a cyan and nine that I pull out once in a while because it's just such a pretty phone that was kinda I think that was the ultimate execute we said I'm sorry I've said this a dozen times but it really it really is the ultimate execution of that of that design language yeah I just I want to live in a world where we can have you know three or four viable platforms right right what about include blackberry 10 in your mind right now yeah i mean the the blackberry 10 you know they're they there a problem is a problem of execution that android apps just our kind of yeah yeah which is yeah a nice way of putting it oh I mean like there's strategy for like solving the number of app problems and getting you know apps on their going with Android isn't the worst idea ever if they could make it run well alright you know I I have issues with the the structure of the OS as a whole and I have huge issues blackberry hub as a messaging client I completely agree with you there dieter and then the other issue on saying like the hardware or the sales side of things like you know their pricing this the blood z10 at pretty much every carrier in the US is two hundred dollars on contract and it's going up against things like the HTC One soon this galaxy x for the iphone 5 and when you're you know looking at these devices and you put them side by side I mean I hate to say this but the z10 just does not live up as far as hardware quality or you know feel or you know just general of what you'd expect from what is now a two-hundred-dollar levels of a man the q10 is coming q10 is around the corner I am waiting for the slider man there was a there was a patent that they filed in 2011 for a blackberry 10 slider and I I would do that man thong funny way to my given the history the torch I we had this discussion last week given the history of the torch you were much braver man than I yeah so okay dan mentioned that the z10 is going up against the samsung galaxy s4 we are coming up on that thing just being out we've got pre-orders starting on sprint already they're starting on tmobile tomorrow etts had pre-orders for a while apparently they're going to start shipping them like tomorrow and they're going to be an AT&T stores on april twenty seventh and it's uh this this s4 train it's coming man and like hopefully i'll have for them anyway a big big launch weekend i guess at that point we'll call it a launch weekend um but i don't know that it's a slam dunk that it's going to be as insanely popular as the s3 but then again I haven't seen their giant marketing campaign for yet either right i mean you know the the if from what we've seen so far from our hands on with the device it doesn't seem like a huge step up from the s3 we've mentioned this numerous times but we think we've also mentioned that it's probably not going to be an issue for samsung to sell them hand over fist between the huge marketing campaign the support of every single carrier every carrier knows that you know selling samsung devices is pretty easy at this point so it's very easy for them to get their weight behind it and push them so it's going to be interesting to see how this plays this year but i'm gonna say it's probably gonna be very similar to last year with samsung selling tons of them but like i said before it's not it's probably not going by and large it's not going to be gs3 owners who are buying gs4 is it will be people who weren't caught up in the upgrade cycle for a gs3 and maybe they're looking at a phone this year you know if you bought a gs3 last year and you take it into the store and you put it side-by-side with the gs4 you like and you know yeah i mean it's it's you know the people whose friends all have gs threes now they are going to be going into the stores and you know their upgrade cycle is up or whatever and their their time to upgrade and there you know if your upgrade is say you bought a what would be coming up into you an 18-month 20 month cycle i guess would be an iphone 4s the 20 month cycle is coming up soon for that so if you had an iphone 4s the next iPhones not anticipated for another few months and you know you're in the store with that upgrade on your account 21 cycle out of your head down its it is a 24 cross aboard now isn't it is now but if you bought it if you want a phone in 2011 you're on a 20 month cycle okay but yes you are correct up that at least verizon has switched to a 24 month cycle and drugs by the way i don't mean to change the subject but i do want to point out that that moved from 20 to 24 months is the seventh sign like this and now that now that that has happened oh all three all three carriers that aren't named t-mobile are are like a hair-trigger away from going to the tmobile model yeah that's my belief i well you know i mean the big the big difference between you know the other carriers in the t-mobile model is that when you're you've paid off that phone from tmobile your bill goes down in price whereas verizon and AT&T and whoever do not go down in price and right that's the whole thing with this verizon move from 20 to 24 months because you know they spun it so that be that you know most people's upgrade after two years not 20 months so we're just doing most people do anyways and and there they have this new payment plan that if you're not eligible for an upgrade you can spread your the cost of a device over 12 months so now you've got your spreading the cost of a device over 12 months in addition to paying a subsidy on top of your uh your monthly rate plan so it's like you're just I mean verizon stands still just rake keep continue breaking it in as far as profits and such yes so we posted this this change.org petition that it was gaining momentum it was actually getting them it was super fast a few days ago but it looks like it slowed down and this is a petition for a verizon to you know get rid of wireless contracts move to a tmobile model basically it's got 123,000 out of you know they say they need 150 although it seems like an arbitrary like what happens at 150 right okay okay it's not like it's not like when you petition the white house and the white house that has singsong it's verizon's a private company they you know and when you think about it from a business perspective Verizon's in first place they're huge they continue to grow each quarter they just added subscribers in the 1st quarter of 2013 uh and you know they're not in t-mobile's position where they need to stop this like bleeding subscribers and they need to you know scramble and scrape to get people to like their network and go to their network because they don't really have an LTE deployment yet i mean Vern people have I think the customer base has shown that they have no trouble playing by verizon rules be because they're still with verizon and there you know using verizon's LTE network which is available in like every tiny little town in America now I think they're over 480 cities are close to 480 cities and towns across the u.s. with LTE coverage so I mean and Verizon is just continuing to make money there's no reason for them to switch away from their contract model right uh so on saturday i went into a verizon store and I said give me a micro sim card i will pay you for it I don't want to sign it to your contract I don't have the device that I want to put it in with me right now I just I want to micro sim cards so that I can set it up on like a prepaid no tablet plan or Chromebook plan which is what I was going to use it in um this straight up said no like literally like no we're not going to sell you we cannot sell you a card you need to buy a device in a contract like at a verizon corporate store you have to buy a device well they were like sketchy like if you buy a phone sure if you buy a tablet yeah if you have the device on you maybe but probably not we can actually can't just do a sim card for an existing device like that like I went round it around for like 10 minutes until i was like goodbye I'm done see this is a problem like if you go to go into an eighteen t we go into an 18 tier of course a tmobile store they tend to be very good about understanding why you just want to sim and then you can leave and and I think that Verizon and Sprint really still haven't gotten over the reality that you know esns are going away and sims are the future and they haven't like really embrace that yet so that they they were probably just really confused the the pixel is LTE only right it doesn't even support you I think that's right yeah yeah so yeah I'd like like holding my card up like I want to use this here right now can we do that can we make that happen no it's such a stark difference from like you know we were in Barcelona for mobile world congress back in February and when our team arrived there we pretty much all needed sim cards local SIM card so that we could communicate and myself and Jordan one of our video producers we went down to the Vodafone store we said we have this many cards we need and we want prepaid service for you know however much and we're gonna use it for the week and they just rang us up and we took the sims and we're on our way and you know it's it's such a stark difference from what you would experience in a US carrier store yeah the only restriction was you needed to have you know identification you know so they could I don't know if you're using it as a burner for your secret Barcelona drug deals they be able to track it down or something I imagine that's why they require a passport but yeah not like why can't i okay i we know the answer but it's it's ridiculous to me that in this day and age i can't just walk into a store in the US and say I want the zipcard and be done anyway sorry back to the galaxy s4 the other thing that's going to help is you know there are no major carriers they've got big distribution and apparently they are setting up micro stores and Best Buy's Chris you you've talked about this yeah Oh Sam's last week yeah yeah I christine has to talk about it last time I was on the show but but I went down to Dallas which is where Samsung's mobile headquarters is and they've been operating since I think februari this pilot bestbuy nearby where they've been trying this format where they they literally take over a surprising amount of floor space and devote it to not just Samsung but specifically samsung galaxy so they have they have you know the s3 they'll have this force during this week the note to a selection of tablets and then they'll have like a couple windows 8 laptops just thrown in for good measure and then they have the galaxy camera and that in itself doesn't sound particularly revolutionary until you consider the fact that you know when a customer walks into a Best Buy literally the first thing they see is the shining giant monolith that says samsung galaxy and it's clean it kind of has I dare I say an apple store appeal because they have these like simple rows of tables that are spaced well apart so you can get in really play with the devices they have literally every every accessory that Samsung cells every color of cover for like the s3 in the note 2 and and even the tablets and get this even if you go over to the the mobile section of Best Buy which is a different distinct section they still sell the galaxy there so they got you either way whereas say with the HTC One or any other product you have your only in the mobile section and it's mixed in with a billion other phones so that they can you know they can ring you up in the galaxy section they have samsung employees not just best buy but also Samsung employees there that you know know everything about all the products it's a it's a total qu and it's um I think it's it spells huge huge trouble for anyone not named Samsung this year okay I've got a question for you Chris so say I buy a galaxy s4 and you know I've had it for 37 days so I'm outside of my return policy for ya you know anybody uh and I you know I drop it and I break it can I take it to the Samsung place in best buy and they can help me out nope that's their Achilles heel they they don't they're not doing a genius for our kind of thing yet the the executives I spoke with its Samsung hinted that they're gonna be trialing some things later in the year that might be moving in that direction but right now it's still like you know if you have a geek squad protection plan on your phone they can take care of you there otherwise they can like you can help you mail it in from that store and do like a two or three-day exchange i think but you're gonna be paying us are we at worst ya know it is it's it's the same as if you went to bestbuy under any other circumstance without the samsa experience shop so i was at my local best buy i want to say but a we can have those where were two weekends and they had installed this Samsung experience in in that particular store and it's uh in that particular store it's like they have the Apple set up with the imax and the macbook airs next to that the iPads they had their own little space but like right across the aisle was where the Samsung setup was and it was really big in roomies maybe three to four times the size of app the Apple set up inside the store I had samsung employees just like he said had a laptop set up in the galaxy camera and the tablets the phones etc but it was missing people oh really so I looked like the the iPads and the macbooks and the macbook airs and the the imax or whatever those generally always have people playing with them and oh yeah on them but like I I I actually I had my my my wife and my daughter with me and we had my daughter my stroller and so I just kind of push the stroller right through the sams experience I want to get to the other side of this door and you know I just kind of walked right through it and had no trouble there was nobody in my way you're great oh man I don't know what might be awareness issue or what or yes just because it's new it could have very well been the first weekend that they were in there but it was kind of surprising so maybe that'll change once for launches ATT's q1 just came out we've got it up on the site they added 296,000 postpaid customers and a quarter so a slightly less than half of what Verizon added and I don't have breakouts on what their smartphone sales different types were but they are touting that they got seventy-two percent of their own contract customers are using smartphones now so they've they had their calling with their best-ever first quarter of smartphone sales so I don't know I don't know the percentages on verizon of users on smartphones I seems like seventy two percent is pretty high so I mean eighteenth he's got that going for it I think they've got the iphone to thank for that but the quarterly financial call is about to start and so if there's any news out of that obviously and me in while Apple just beat estimate than sold 30-34 point seven million iPhones in the quarter so reports of apples demise may have been pretty much sure how wait how many shocker 30 4.7 million iPhones or a be beat estimates by about a billion yeah yeah and they increase their their payout by 50 billion so the dena mommy's 30 stock is just gonna drop plummet he just yeah tank give up on it I know I why anybody would hold on to apple stock these days because clearly you know it's going in the gutter right yea ye are not find yeah I do i do feel as you should not listen to us I you know stock I do feel kind of bad I do feel kind of bad for the people who used to be zillionaires and are now only billionaires because their apple shares have dropped by several hundred dollars I feel kind of bad about that but uh no I don't anyway let's move on let's talk about something besides financials man I don't know man a 9.5 billion in profit on 46 billion in revenue like I suppose that's a tiny dip in their margin but those margins are still just bonkers so the thing is they're the biggest margins in all of consumer electronics right I mean the next biggest company is Samsung uh and the oh I don't know what we had the most recent numbers for Samsung's profits are but generally they're on a high court or heavy quarter likes a holiday their profits are in the 5 to 7 million dollar or billion dollar rage and you know Apple here is on q1 which is admittedly a slow quarter its post-holiday you don't have the sales of the traffic that you get the previous quarter and they're still pulling in almost 10 billion dollars in profit speaking of profit HTC has none but they're trying that was the worst transition ever one is a pivotal product one is a very close and the first maybe will be too well we'll see about the first yeah I bet they're not make ton of money on that but yeah we've got like Peter Chou say that if the one doesn't do well he's he's out we've got that and it's on sale now basically but the reason I'm bringing it up is one they've got supply issues because the Nokia is yelling at them about the microphone that they're using okay fine and then two and this is the interesting thing of course you put up a article today about the fact that they are selling a unlocked uncarrier destroyed ruined lte-enabled HTC One for less than what AT&T sells it off contract it's the holy grail man it like finally we can all retire we can we can we can go to our country homes and retire with our our LTE HTC one's running on AT&T the dream of turning eighteen t into a dumb pipe has been realized we can all celebrate while your champagne flutes this is a great phone at frankly a great price considering what you're getting and and I I tried not to be too preachy in my editorial that went up to today but I have to say buying this device this specific skew of the HTC One is one of the most powerful things you can do as a human being to encourage HTC and other players in the Indus the industry into believing that this is what this is the drought the direction the industry needs to go and it's something that consumers want oh and and not only should you be happy to buy it and be happy with it but you know I run it in an ironic twist 18t should be really happy if you buy this phone because your plan or your service costs with ATT every month is still the same whether you buy this phone or take a subsidized phone so that's right II can get you to buy a new phone without having them to pay a subsidy on it they're just going to be making more money each each well once that you may talk to me it talks to me about the bands that this will that this will work on its LTE 700 850 AWS 1900 so what does that mean for normals it means that you are completely covered whether you're on t-mobile or 18 US or in Canada on any carrier I think that that offers LTE I've heard I haven't confirmed personally but I've heard that it doesn't support hspa+ for t-mobile customers um but I mean frankly the HSPA discussions kind of secondary to me is the most important thing is very generous PK plus is pretty awesome when it's what it was awesome it's really awesome but it is for sure coverage issues yeah no no doubt no doubt and and I mean frankly I feel much better about buying a branded t mobile device and I feel about buying a branded 18t device anyway so just I would like if I were if I were on tmobile which have been strongly considering doing for weeks now but if I were on tmobile I think I would probably just walk into a carrier extraordin one no but t-mobile has some pretty heavy bloatware on their devices on its devices too well they have Wi-Fi calling which is young really nice but that's just to make up for you know the holes in the network right kind of or if you live in a Faraday cage like I do it helps too I'm kind of getting to the point with I use a micro spittle on AT&T which i'm sure i said before because it's the only way i can get a signal and it's been deteriorating in recent months to the point where i can't hold a call for more than 60 or 90 seconds before i start breaking up for the other person and i thought that by resetting your know the microcell is still screwed up and I've done some searches on 18 tease forums and it seems like this is becoming a widely known issue for the 40 people across the country that have a micro cell is 18 G doesn't advertise it at all facebook offers a Wi-Fi calling now voy para android in the US yelp ego promise I okay can i transfer my phone number to it no just call your facebook friends man I so so I should never speak to anyone that I'm not Facebook friends with his lawyers I don't know why you would say that video else that's a fit that's a fair point but anyway so like this this one if you're in the market for an android phone right now you're not up for a an upgrade you're on AT&T a like bar none the one is the way to go as someone pointed out to me and I've since updated the poem what if what if what what about like a galaxy s4 developer edition does that exist for AT&T well assume it does and a month yeah well then the story might change but I Samsung has never made a developer edition for eighteen t as far as i know uh i if think you're right yeah if they did then yeah we'd have to revisit the conversation and will you know we'll see when we have a chance to review the gs4 you know what the how the score at stacks up against the one anyway but um yeah that's food for thought but so the thing that I that has me all hot and bothered about this is HTC managed to do this why couldn't you will have done this with the nexus 4 I mean seriously just I know that they were trying to make a cheap they're trying to keep the guys down and that's awesome and adding LTE is a whole you know it would raise the development costs for the phone not just for the LTE version but also the HSPA version and like I get all that and EC already dropped that money to develop the version with LTE so they may as well do it but it's like Google's short on cash you know that the whole the when the Nexus launched they had their own store and we're taking on the carriers and we're doing it again with the nexus 4 cuz it's so cheap um the I don't get why they didn't do this because ATT is happy to take an unlocked LTE device I also don't particularly buy that theory because as we all know the nexus 4 does support LTE on an AWS they just chose to disable it for well yeah but it supports it but it's pretty janky and like there's like well the heart I think the point is the hardware is capable of supporting it I mean that's all we noted the optimus G right limits yeah yeah so it's it's it's disabled and soft whatever right and it could be it could be something as simple as a battery look like the day antenna or something to I can't remember there was something else that was twitchy with AWS support I definitely believe that LTE on the Nexus 4 is not great I mean I totally buy it and and you know there's a battery life concern because LTE is a higher power draw and it already sucks on HSPA so the last thing you want abuse from or the latest rumors for for Google i/o is that Google is going to introduce an LTE version of the nexus 4 and in white I bet remember those pictures of the white Nexus works right you know and and if if Google actually does do that unless they magically found a way to stuff a much higher capacity battery in there or they'd like double the thickness like I have no interested it yeah so that's so unhappy we'd rather have HTC's happily unlocked LTE one or nexus 4 with stock Android that's actually up to date uh the one yeah I'm gonna have to say the one is well I've been using the one for a couple of weeks as I did the review on the US model and you know stock Android is great and all on the Nexus 4 but the ones hardware is just so nice and you know having the LTE is pretty sweet to hear what's funny to me is that after the piece went up a couple commoners pointed out that Sonia started selling the Xperia ZL in the US which never even crossed my mind which I think speaks volumes about Sony's position the US market right now but but I don't think that that is actually a fair comparison because if you look at that Sony site they're selling the CL for seven hundred and sixty dollars which is completely asinine versus 575 for the for the one and as we saw in our review and Vlad review the Xperia Z the zeal is very similar busy is just not on the same plane as the one in terms of hardware and software design so I don't actually think that's a fair comparison yeah so back when Google was saying hey guys we're gonna make a new Nexus pitches picture stuff uh you've gotta like LG came in and there's a G we're gonna you wanna make a nexus out of this do you think that HTC didn't have the one ready to go and be like here is the one you want to make the Nexus out of this it didn't I'm if I'm google and I have an opportunity to Bay Nexus device off of the one or off of the optimus G yeah well I mean if a contest if you look at the developments Isles if Google wanted to release the nexus 4 by october i think yeah you know the one isn't hitting shelves it's now the end of april that is a huge lapse in development in time' development we're talking six to seven months difference right um you know so i could very well be that you know HTC did not have the one nearly ready to go by October and since October HTC's released the droid DNA or the j butterfly which was like its high-end pinnacle device until the one came out so you know i would have been very shocked if uh HTC could have gotten it ready in time for that that launch period i'm sure that they told google they were working on it and that they might really like it it'd be great to work together but i would have been very surprised if they could meet google's demands for the launch launch window and i will bet you a dollar that google will not work with LG again any time soon not an exercise yeah those supply issues were so bad yeah because they were airing their dirty laundry in public for a while there and i'm sure that that neither google nor LG is very happy about it yeah i would be happy if google would just work with somebody that knows how to actually build a retail store on the internet that would be cool you know yes I'd be cool with that and you know with with the back end support and support when you know you get one with a busted pixel and you need to exchange it and return it all that fun stuff yeah so as long as we're talking about you know free unlock phones we put up the story actually went up pretty late in the day so I don't think it got a ton of attention but the ACLU is doing this crazy thing where they are petitioning i forgot are not suing are they but they're basically going to the FCC and saying carriers need to do better with with android phones they need to offer updates its security issue there there's now we're and carriers are keeping you from having the most recent version of android raise a crazy weird thing for the aclu to do but it's actually all about them trying to draw attention to you stuff like sista and like cyber problems in general and issues of privacy and you know rights in you know with digital things so I mean I don't know it's going to go anywhere but i think it's it's really interesting and I don't know has it didn't seem like it got picked up sort of outside of you know people noticing that they're doing it and then it kind of just went away the guy do you think this is going anywhere well it's say you know the ACLU is is half I'm you know I think a lot of what the ACLU does look a lot of these organizations is a hesitate to use the word stunt but I can't think of a better one right now that is designed to bring attention to a problem more than it is a serious attempt to actually get something done because this is a very difficult complaint to push through Congress but you know I'm sure that they're gonna be able to find friends who are in support of this this petition Franken comes immediately to mind but what was really interesting to me about it is that one of the things they see Lu wants is some sort of warning label on phones sold by carriers it says you know warning this phone doesn't get security updates in a timely fashion basically yeah and I just picture like I think of like a box of cigarettes with like he's moving pillows label like I want something that looks exactly like that I'm like every phone sold by carrier that would be amazing uh you know as far as I feel I I really hope it gets traction gets attention if only for the sole reason that carriers might be more inclined to or be forced to issue updates faster I found it you know the position of taking the whole making a security issue its kind of kind of interesting and unique it was a the ACLU tends to be a bit hyperbolic with with the way its wording and stuff like that but you know it'd be interesting to see if it does a takeoff and and if it does then you know it's it's good for the consumers that's really all the matters in the end I got nothing you try this on the diner's dinner do want to talk about goo I mean Google had their earnings and it was whatever google earnings and then Larry Page got on the call and he did the thing that he always does where he talks about when you drop your phone it should shatter when you spill coffee on it it shouldn't you know stop working and so that there's a direction that you know motor oil is probably going to have you no more durable rugged phones for the next thing and like we're spinning up to something out of them we talked about this a bunch last week so I don't know if I got it still sad Larry Page has been saying this numerous times right he said this this I mean I think verbatim the same thing he said a numerous times but if you look at what Motorola's produced for the past couple of years uh the phones that it has kind of fit that that mold I ready the razor series are all nano-coated for you know water resistance they're all Kevlar they all have like gorilla glass or something of that sort to help protect against shattering actually I can't think of a smartphone on the market these days that doesn't have either branded gorilla glass or something that says it is just like a real a glass for you know resisting shattering when you drop it so so uh you know it it's a nice thing to think about with doesn't really mean that the next motorola devices are gonna be revolutionary with these features I'm not so sold to be honest with you I don't accept anything less than gorilla glass 3 with native damage resistance by the way I if they'll fuels itself yeah if my phone doesn't have a native damage resistance I forget it i'm putting that right back on the shelf and leaving the store you drop it it shatters and you look at it and it just it just heals itself and you know i mean i will say that i am looking forward to the next display technology probably based on flexible displays so that instead of shattering or just being stronger against shattering it'll actually be able to flex internally so just you know when you when it tastes and in package it sort of absorbs it right you know well i mean it's not the display that breaks usually the ninety percent of the time it's the glass above it that displays that that breaks right and then you have to get the classroom play store you know if your displays laminated the glass like it's very common today you have to get the whole thing replaced but it's really the glass that's broken right yeah just just out in public every day it amazes me how many people I see using iphone 4 and 4s is that are just complete they look like they've been through a war zone and like be you know people don't want you know that they're not up for an upgrade and they don't have a damaged plan on their account so they just deal with it and calm assume you saw a sheep there's yes there's a whole cottage industry if you go to any you know a suburban mall in America there are kiosks that will replace your screen or your glass for 90 bucks or something like that yeah I know they're they're always busy doing this is because people are constantly dropping these things and breaking them I know I mentioned Jordan earlier when I was talking about mwc he owned a nexus for that unfortunately meta demise recently and it shattered screen and his phone is unusable a couple weeks ago poor guy I know yeah what are these differences with some phones you can work through that shatter glass like it happens we with the iphone if you've got spider cracks all over it you can still type on it and the screen is still responsive but it seems to be from the people have spoken to who have dropped say a nexus 4 on shatter the glass the screen becomes unusable afterwards it doesn't respond to touches or anything like that so yeah it's an issue it's definitely you know and and if someone's able to figure it out whether it's through flexible displays or stronger glass or self-healing glass in the future that'd be good also there's there's a rumor going around this week and I don't think we reported on it because it's you know it's just a rumor at this point but there there is a word going around that the note 3 is going to have a flexible display which I believe um you know it could be wrong but I I think that we finally Samsung is finally nearing the point where the technology is ready and the product is ready so they're going to be able to integrate it they didn't get there with the gs4 but it's no secret that samsung wants to get there they've been working on this technology for years now and I think that the note 3 might be where it debuts and it makes sense because on a screen that big you know the bigger the screen the higher the risk so I could totally see it uh I guess that's that's about everything I want to talk about Oh unless you guys want to talk about Yahoo's a weather app it's pretty I actually asked and an eye I'm back on the iphone I need a weather app you get one answer you can say one app I need one weather app tell me which one to get I don't care I'll buy whatever give me one app he lasted about 30 seconds before he gave me a second okay I believe that I gave you the best answering hood for a free option and if you're going to spend money option and what we're recommending or what were they handle it so for the free one I actually told them to go get the yahoo on the Yahoo app is gorgeous it's got everything about the Yahoo app is amazing except for the icon which is that sorta rendus looking awful and and I think I tweeted this the other day when Yahoo's other new app came out they revamped the actual yahoo news app uh and you know I said yahoo is making these beautiful gorgeous well-designed apps and they're stuffing these god-awful in 2001 era Yahoo purple icons on them and they looked so terrible mean it just like such a dichotomy clear day you can I can't get i predict i predict then in the next 12 months yahoo will actually rebrand I mean it'll still be called Yahoo but I'm sure they're gonna roll out new branding are they gonna keep you ! yeah yeah but they'll probably do something like really stylistic with it was like it's one of the lighters or something that they like integrated into the logo so I know how many pokin again with the till have that logo where the letters are like shifted in different heights like eBay was the other big one that had that right and ebay got rid of it i think in 2011 or last year or something so ebay he's got a much more modern clean look and now you look at yahoo's and it just looks so 1999 yeah yeah but i'm telling you like like if yahoo tries to go with like a like straight clean Helvetica bring you know lettering for their learn logo that's just not gonna work they need to keep it a little because it's called Yahoo it's not called eBay eBay can sound corporate you don't really never sound anything but you can i think in google and google google sounds like the most ridiculous word ever and it's got a way cleaner presentation and Google we've done lots of reports on Google's design unification in the design focus that they're having now and Google doesn't mean anything Google I mean I mean net what is yeah i mean uh well if I'm allowed to have an answer on this on this weather app debate may I just say that I have settled on an iOS I've settled on the new accuweather app I choose looking on Android a lot odia got a weather app on Android a lot and it sits on the the one with Sense 5 the the stock weather app that comes with or whatever is powered by a key weather and it's it's very similar to the accuweather app you might buy or download from the Play Store hmm can we talk about apps that actually matter I don't know what apps twitterrific and tweet bot both just got updates twitterrific finally added push notifications uh and it's a beautiful app and I'm really excited for and then tweetbot added this new feature that's like kind of like Instagram where you can set your timeline to look like just like a bunch of big pictures it looks like Google+ to me if you look at the Google+ app for iOS or Android it's got the same kind of timeline with the pictures are big and the media's so how do you toggle the new timeline I forget you scroll all the way to the top and then when you like reveal the search box you should have a button Molly I am at the top there yeah yeah see that's just this just looks really good this is this is a great way to scroll through pictures on Twitter way better than cards like and so now I'm I'm confused about what my twitter app on the iPhone should be nothing else except for the actual twitter app does a good job of giving you replies only from people you follow which no Tweetbot does they had blood those it yeah maybe they had a bug with it for a little while and it was really frustrating so showing mentions from everybody but it seems to be I think it's been resolved where you know you can choose only your followers and as far as I know and I could be very mistaken as but as the Twitter apps that I've used for any platform tweetbot is the only third party one that I'm aware of that gives you that option like on Twitter even on Android the ones that I've used um let's have my experience that if they have some sort of notifications hey they're not push the the Twitter app on android is the only one that offers you push notifications right be they are like mentions from everybody instead of just the people you follow another thing that one of the difference between twitter african tweetbot for me yeah i like to see on the main twitter app I'd like to see my retweets and my follows in the connect tab that's fun makes me feel good and then are there any Twitter apps third-party Twitter apps that will give you those Twitter notifications like if I want to get every single tweet from so-and-so notified to me used to be able to do it over SMS now you you know you can still can I guess but you get it you get it pushed out to you as a you know Twitter notification such-and-such tweeted something I don't think only the main twitter app does that and hopefully somebody on twitter is going to correct me I i wanna say I'm bounced between three twitter us right now that's not cool I want to say that a Falcon pro on Android gives you this option I'm just getting a giving a little warm up here I'm a coffee so wow thank you thank you jordan that's amazing that is this is the kind of service you get in the verge students copy is is way better than verge West coffee if it serves you in the podcast verge coffee in person that's me ah but yeah I want to say Falcon pro gives you those kind of options but pros been updated like a billion times ah and even though he ran the developer ran into some issues with the hitting the the token limit he's still been yeah he recently names like he just said everybody has to relog in because then get a new tokens that way or you know clear up my tip the tokens that I already have so yeah I'm a big fan of Falcon pro but yeah an Android I'd still usually go back to me to our client because push so right um that is a virtual show everybody unless I'm almost interrupt me and say we're not done yet the Vlad's not here so maybe that will happen okay that's all I God ah wait wait I could I could I'll just very briefly talk about expend a couple days at I've yeah I know we should definitely hear about this how was it it was um it was not uh I mean there was nothing groundbreaking that really happened except for the release of the new facebook apps which dieter I know you were involved pretty heavily in covering and I I you know I have mixed feelings on chad's uh I I feel like like everybody in the world is like super gung-ho for them I'm not so sure now that I had had a chance to use them on the iphone but it is what it is and I think they're rolled out to everybody now is that right at first they were rolled out to every like yeah even though you're updating to the latest client ya and ya know a server yeah I don't know check on the iphone it's very different the chat heads on Android just because it's locked within the the facebook app so it's unless you jailbreak unless you do unless you yeah you jailbreak great but that job doesn't cover SMS alright iphone right right yeah I just don't like I don't want these little circles all over the border of my screen it's weird um let me get the satisfaction of dragging them to the bottom and get rid of like that's so much fun I got absolute Ted and be like no I don't respond to union i will give Facebook a lot of credit for creating a a genuinely unique a UX four for their messaging product that I haven't seen before I'll say that much and again that people are super gung-ho about it so that's cool but the reason I bring that up is because when the last sessions of the conference was with Michael sippy who is head of engineering head of products and a product I think for for Twitter head of mobile product he's something he does something at twitter has that's the guy that um that whenever whenever Twitter needs to have post bad news for developers of Twitter clients he's the guy that posts the news up saying we're changing our API and it's as great news and turns out it's actually the worst news ever he gets to be the bad guy he always has to be the bad guy so yeah they sit down with with tippy and and you know the the the talk was was interesting he talked about some of the stats in the wake of the the Boston bombings and he talked a little bit about well he didn't talk about Twitter music it hadn't been announced at that point he kind of deflected that question but I actually the most interesting thing about it to me was that Steven Levy the world famous reporter for for for Wired asked a question of sippy afterwards which is which was you know Facebook home is a thing now could you ever see Twitter uh you know being promoted to that level of direct engagement with the user on on the homescreen and lockscreen and he didn't I'm he obviously didn't say yes but he certainly didn't say no he's like we're playing with different things on Android you know I I would love to have I can't remember his exact phrasing but he's basically like I would love to have that same level of exposure that Facebook is getting a facebook help and we're playing with things on Android so uh that the story about the UX for Twitter on Android certainly is not over the last chapter has not been written but whether that means that they're going to roll out of skin or do something else I don't know but I thought it was an interesting talk that was probably the most interesting session of the show who's pretty there were a lot of there wasn't a lot of news there besides the Facebook thing but I did think that was a pretty interesting little chat with with sippy so we'll see I'm curious as to how Twitter would actually do that I suppose it would be something could be something similar to what Facebook did with home but Facebook's we've written quite a bit about Facebook's big pushes into private messaging now and they want to be a central hub for all your messaging services and private messaging and you know in recent times in the past year or so Twitter's kind of pushed away from that if you use the stock twitter app in time though yeah they've done everything possible to make direct messaging a pain right it's insane right so and also it's still like insanely easy to DM fail and accidentally published a.m. to your timeline so yeah it's definitely not as developed as Facebook's story is and also they don't have the same level of curation of content it's just kind of like a it's a constant floodgate of pic runs and via so so Facebook does a thing where they you can get access to the fire hose finally now again that they've added these filters and they've added them on the iOS app and i think on ipad but not yet on android and its of course on the web where you can you can go to the firehose i think it's called latest or whatever but the default is the newsfeed that just gives you stuff that they expect you're going to like the most and twitter has nothing like that and i wish that they would take this completely useless and pointless discover tab and do a better job of creating something like the newsfeed because right now like every time I go they're like oh maybe this will be good then like well no this I well I have some bad news for you about the discover tempest that didn't actually come up in the sippy conversation and and he was basically like you know look new users love it like they go straight to the discover tab they find some cool crap in there to follow they love it like power users you know people have been using Twitter for any like the time never go there but they seem really intent on pushing like if you're just literally now signing up for Twitter if you're that far behind the curve ladies and gentlemen hopefully none of our listeners are or or if if you're like some verge staffers and you're signing up your 40th parody Twitter account then apparently they get a lot of engagement that discovered that and maybe it's just because they push I don't know like it maybe they like that's the default if you're a new user I don't know but he says that like people are really into it if they're on Twitter for the first time hmm fine what I've as wife there I'm sorry um whatever dude whatever that's a virginal so if you want to follow us on Twitter in your discover tab or sure any any other tab you can if you want to hear about weather apps you can follow Danny's DC seifert I if you want to hear all the fast and furious you felt Chris he is that power Z naught CD join about vegetables you evolve lad he is a glycoside if you want to hear rants about window management on Chrome OS you can follow me i am at back lon we are all at verge and there's a pretty decent nonzero chance we'll be back next week and if we are we hope you'll join us thanks 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