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show this episode 46 for the week of May sixth 2013 I am dieter bohn I'm glad so i'm dan seifert and i'm chris ziegler and no thanks to google hangouts we are live for really real sorry the first one had issues if you're ready for new features yeah we refresh the page but like that you're not if you're watching this you've already solved that problem um how you guys doing are you asking via the viewers or are you asking us or both both why can't speak for the for the viewers maybe you can i'm doing i'm doing a ok i'm coming to you from fabulous new york city new york verge headquarters to be specific in fact i'm sitting right now in nilai patel's office who's on vacation I'm stinking up the joint with very smelly foods I plan on setting up a little hibachi in here uh just grilling garlic a week basically one thing I'm noticing about Neil eyes office is that's remarkably well lit compared to what you usually work in well that's because there's a window which is a future that my residents lacks but one thing I'm noticing about this office I wish I could show you on the camera he has clocks everywhere and it's a little weird yeah he has like tons of clocks seemingly with no rhyme or reason to the to the times displayed on them it's a little um what sort of looking for conceptual i get like there's no basis in reality to the time is being displayed here it's just it's an hour art piece i guess so i will never look to these clocks to know what time it is your for running over are they just like a couple minutes off our they just completely random easels no but like like one is indicating you just need to point the camera is what you need to do one is well i'm not gonna be able to get it back on my face unfortunately but um one is indicating 146 p.m. another is indicating for forty forty or maybe so the first one you missed in specific the second one you mentioned is east coast he just doesn't have them labeled yeah the different time zones but they're like they're not in a row on the wall there's all over the wall it's weird anyway Christians are very very confused I'm very confused by this which is what effect is wearing my jacket and tisha together oh that's that you that that's okay in certain circumstances yeah what that's if you wanna what you want yeah when you want to look like a jerk yeah okay it's like if it's the late 90s and you're launching a movie and all of you it's okay it's okay in two situations only one of which involves being Lorenzo Lamas look I'm living in the late 90s I may or may not be related to Lorenzo Lamas and and I'm embracing a decade that frankly I think was really magical and important to all of us I really did funny your brother llamas has ever worn that outfit I think the fun of your part about it is it's actually like 80 degrees in New York today so yeah well it's perpetually cold in this office as far as I can tell maybe it maybe Kevin Sorbo oh there you go yeah that's definitely a Kevin Sorbo he's a Minnesota boy by the way just he's also lets dude you played her please write ya konan ya konan heard normal Hercules that was conan no never yeah never ever Chris coated was played by Arnold oh you're right here kid well and then nobody owes nobody else and then there's I haven't watch it but there was the reboot with what's his face from either guy from Game of Thrones right yeah which should have been amazing but whatever anyway glad you're back welcome back to the show i am lee apparently last week was a big galaxy s4 deep dive yeah do you have one we don't deep I do I think and I've abandoned it already yeah this is how fickle I am I went from galaxy s4 I feel it for about an a half with it setting it up get rid of all the junk and the fluff in the nonsense then I spent about a day using it and being annoyed by it and order plops and drops in all of those sound effects I never hold of Lumia 720 which i tolerated for two days which is improvement of galaxy s4 and I'm back to that phone right now so that's my little three days of experimentation I mean windows phone is just torture honestly ah triaging email particularly with multiple people in a single thread is just like I see a thread and I think okay I'm just gonna go to the desktop for me to stare I just you just there's so many annoying things about okay Windows Phone just go to youtube app an actual legitimate YouTube app which is good fine because using the web interface for YouTube was kind of sucky but there are just too many of these pain points with it which is annoying because the 720 is a good night phone yeah so there are 33 count them three fewer pain points on windows on than there were last week we are getting like real genuine apps released on the platform Microsoft has put out a real for really real youtube app well almost really real because it's a Microsoft YouTube app right but but it's like an actual app you know it's not it's not a link to the web player and it's just it's so crazy that it took so long for Windows Phone to have a first-party native YouTube app but here we are who do you blame for that Google or Microsoft i believe the actual blame is on google right at least microsoft always pointed the finger at Google saying that they didn't have access to the api's that they needed and I believe that it resulted in quite a few complaints with the EU and put a lot of pressure on Google so here we are we have one now so that's good I blame the invoice for what it's worth the whole thing yep um we have mu plus i'm tom ok and well for you i suppose i like hulu plus i watch me some daily show in the hulu no good for you I i go to watch The Daily Show and I just get not available in your dirty rotten territory you're too good for Jon Stewart this is what it comes down to nobody's too good for just do it cost you did for us I don't know I feel like the show's gone down well I would much like this podcast right now um oh come on it's hard we've also got four square and update to Foursquare and it's also coming pre-loaded on some devices um would we talk about a Foursquare update for literally any other platform right maybe we wouldn't talk about it but it would be news no I mean it depended on the size of the update yeah I think it's a redesign I mean come on Chris don't deny your love for square I know you love it yeah are you the mayor of some like sandwich shop that literally opened a half a day ago I believe it's a waffle shop a waffle surfaces yeah don't get it I'll get it twisted dieter there's a big difference between a wobble Java and I got a sandwich shop it's acceptable to visit every day nobody's what you don't understand they use the waffles like like slices of bread ah and you thought it's like it it's like a waffle taco like you fold up the sides of the waffle and then in the middle you have you have like things Thanks ya like like for instance they have like a UH they have a peanut butter and banana waffle but that's folded up like a taco actually sounds amazing yeah it's literally called a UH the shop is called waffle fold and go because that's what you do with the waffle you fold it and you go no I don't they call it waffle taco because that will talk about all first of all would probably be trademark infringement on actual tacos well and also then the question would be you know do they come in soft shell or hard shell like would you want to crispy waffle so you get a waffle you get waffle supreme it's interesting you say that there there is such a thing as a crispy top or excuse me a crispy waffle but it's not those ones can't be folded those are come the asia waffles and their dirt but they're thicker they're thicker and they put stuff on top instead of stories are pretty what we've learned is that what is that Chris is the rightful mayor of this waffle shop given his intense deep knowledge of waffles no i would i would say given his explanation to us Philistines about what can I had at the waffle he can cover whatever it's called go shop she's not just the mayor he's also a client president and a client he's their chief ambassador that's right but may it that's right a national sigler is he is the the entire government of waffle a stan is this this clarified important point are they circular these waffles before you fold it via the folding waffles are circular the lieges are not there square well that's silly like you want to square one when you folding now don't you I don't know what taco shells around and then yeah that's like four would you ask where time level is considered that a fundamental flaw with tech hose yeah I got it we're def go if I got a square taco I would throw it on the ground just like the lonely island would you fold it would you full ask or taco like point two pointer or edge to edge and have it be a rectangle oh that's not bad like yeah that's like a flatbread sandwich but would like crispy tuck right made out of waffles this podcast is just I'm writing it off wolf uzum mobile is ever see something damn mobile to go just mobile food technology I know to Nick our producer as soon as the show's over just believe the post just let's pretend to show never good the good news is is that google has released a feature where you can start from the beginning even if your mid broadcast so people do not have to miss any of the beautiful wobbly action 10 is you yes oh that's a really neat feature if it didn't delay the modular podcast today because people's having trouble updating its hangout software will be awesome the BCCI pin arrives yeah okay I'm actually trying to bring us on the topic maybe see I player reps here any you gather with it happen nobody outside like the K cares about how we're talking about the danger man is semantics no but that app on the desktop you you have this exact same rewind feature where even if you join at the 59th minute of a one hour show you can hit rewind to the start and then start watching it which is great you know cuz you can comfortably miss the first 10 minutes 15 minutes and then just start working during the show so long is this happening live it's a nice feature tweet your network oh and now now it's muting me because they recognize i'm typing i love google hangout so hard as google so in addition to new windows phone apps we have an actual new windows phone that nokia apparently is decided it wants to tell us about before they've actually announced it which is we're expecting the announcement next week yeah or was when is his hands soon yeah no keys gun event on monday right again emoni but that's in london yeah it doesn't make any sense for them to announce this in London because it's I mean everybody knows this is going to verizon right so referring if you don't know to the Lumia 928 yeah and and I think that it's it you know it's like a custom issue phone that they may die I think the deal is that I wish Tom Warren were here because you'd be able to say this much more eloquently than I can but I think the deal is that the 920 in at least in the US is an 18 th exclusive so the 928 is basically a you know shortcut around that that thorny little issue um it's you know it's a reworked 920 with a xenon flash basically right as far as we can tell right very much thats related the most important thing we've seen so far we've seen a billboard for this phone does Vanity Fair spread and okay calm is actually featuring the phone just yeah it's like it's like a Latina slider I got 928 right all I want to say is that Vanity Fair's where I go luckily two scoops yeah I'm talking the physical events actually dancing oh my at a newsstand Kara Swisher had a really nice sort of history of how Instagram got bought by Facebook and Vanity Fair so I mean come on it happens yeah nokia com / us hyphen en / Lumia 928 I mean and you just looks like in the Lumia well so everybody look into the front so what my theory is that this phone is actually going to be announced a verizon has scheduled a a secretive press conference for ctia which is coming up later this month we don't know anything about it my theory is that the 928 will be introduced their anvil the event in london is actually for something else right it better be because lang kita was saying yeah a verizon only phone doesn't make much sense to be announced new but then at the same time the nokia com League of 928 shows it without horizon logo on picture yeah there could very well I mean I can totally imagine there being like a European variant of it right but in Europe I don't understand like it doesn't seem like it would make sense to sell both the 920 in the 928 right if and doesn't make sense so if they replaced the 920 with the 928 in Europe then ATT customers I would not be like as angry as I was from the 909 20 but I'd still be a little bit like hey guys what I mean we've had this conversation before that that's like the big fear right you know the 920 hit the market in October or something like that so it's we're beyond six months out it's like seven months now um that Nokia could launch then I'm 28 and piss off a whole lot and I 20 owners no I mean this phone is just really a rework 920 even the ads is showing low-light performance so they're emphasizing is that is in cameras right and it is actually he has it's such a rework of the 920 that even the ads are faked again and the other thing is what was it good damn really enjoyed that one that's a good job what percentage of 920 is eight like if you're gonna upgrade the product model number by eight out of nine hundred and twenty you're basically telling everyone this is same phone it's it's less than one percent better it's a it's a point little extra point 869 5652 percent good well there you go that's my point made it rounds up what's like a wave of thin sliver on top of your slice if it's like you know it's like a tiny piece of ham on top of your I love you photo waffle they go yeah on top of your liege a waffle the AJ what is that okay yeah you google look it up you'll see you know I believe everyone I just want to get the etymology of the AJ is cuz it's really interesting to use it this is what sounds courage comes carly is it like you must you must you owe fealty to the waffle if by oatmeal t to you mean pay for the waffle been yes um so yeah I don't think it makes any sense for me I felt the same way L I eat with a little watch majigger yep it is I mean yeah I mean the first time I asked about it at the at the store I said leash waffle and they think corrected me very they were they were a little bothered they were like look if you're gonna be the mayor here you need to pronounce Lee write properly that's right so this 928 if if the London event is for this phone i think it's going to make a lot of people pretty upset it's possible that they could bundle the launch the 928 with the catwalk and do a one-two combo but the fact remains that nokia is still at the mercy of microsoft's schedule for Windows Phones launching these rework devices with the same operating system that we saw in September last year when they should show the 928 when T is not a good look for nokia but there's not a lot they can do about it right yeah it's out of their hands so so we we just straight up don't know what's happening in London like we like we think it's a 928 for a European barrier if it's not the 928 the know he has done it absolutely tremendous bang-up job of concealing their true plans I think it's gonna be we just haven't been paying attention at all it could be an Ashes awesome oh yeah if it's an Astra phone nokia and myself are going to have an issue relationship is going to hit rocky ground uh but I mean to do that rumor about an aluminium nitride any variance right show me the eye at the end of that world to show Jimmy yeah show me where the eye is next to you oh yeah dominium is the internationally a Greek name for that that that's fine i would just like to see the eye in the in the in the word i'm not talk about the one towards the beginning i'm talking about the one towards yet i know you can't find it listen america's made a typo at one point they were too embarrassed and way too proud to be like Al me what this is all i would have you done I'll do just go with it go with okay aluminum that's what we're gonna call it again janitor fits the materials so much better it's so it's such a workman like material it's good for so many things like nah busy there you go he's well-liked now but back in the day used to be the most valuable interior because we didn't know how to bring it out ground and how to extract it yeah so we're worst week we've met we've Americans are pragmatic you know let's we just we make the word fit the thing for its time likely AJ waffles Liege waffles I would just call that a hard waffle myself it's actually awful it's not just hard and crispy those also really thick it's like it's like this deep wait so it's it's a belgian thicker and it's more difficult to eat because it's like harder well i think it's supposed to be like it's it's not very big around i think it's supposed to be handheld it just has lots of stuff on top of it I don't know it's confusing it's I mean if we want to start a waffle culture podcast count me in I mean of course I just want to know where we're on this spectrum do Belgian waffles land and where do like eggos land your your your uh what you envisioned when you think of a Belgian waffle is like a big Liege a waffle like a lazy waffle is like it's it the diameter is smaller but it's about the same thickness okay and i would consider the the foldable waffles to be exactly the same as Vegas ok so the eggos that they put still be informed on twitter that were pronouncing Liege a wrong by the way I bet we are because unless insulation on a second e it's just liege that's a that's how they that's how they pronounce it at this particular establishment I you know is that the Chicago accent on it but this is just my essence active on point guides Americans just don't give a damn what the actual hood is or has to go Smith pronounced like there's aluminum there's me AJ and in this entree which to you guys means of main course whereas in French which is where entree comes from it means starter because entree and entry are rooted in the same thing but you just ignore that you're like you know what I'm hungry so i'll just make it a main course i'll call it an entre Wells's like that so my proposal and no ever get me started on like the distinction between biscuits and cookies between the u.s. and the UK it's a mess it's absolute mess it's my proposal is due like the Taiwanese over inside pay and just make all you men use photos of food just point it will they want there's no confusion look you guys have cookies called digestive it doesn't help it's not helping you guys miss anything why is it called a digestive because it's easy digestible I don't know oh so it's not us guys because I don't even touch that garbage but just happens namie guidance point out that my twitter stream right haha comments I'm sorry guys we're gonna we're gonna talk about mobile things um later but right now we're talking about waffle that's important it is and we're going to do so in such a way that there's a double entendre and I'll have to walk away from the computer again um no anything else what Windows Phone I mean it's coming 928 I mean listen I need to reiterate my rant about Windows Phone it just annoys me now I am it is that old mix of a minus in frustration we're like okay fine finally have a youtube app but now there's the email plant that needs to be spotting up for people who have a conversation with modern one other person there's all these other little things which are just other so bad no I guys hang on hang on Chris Pirillo just yes this is amazing credible hey Kris Furillo I this this is great but what's is a where can i buy wanna be tweeted at YouTube lad uh this is a yeah there's a keyboard shape waffle maker is that a liege waffle or is that a taco waffle or I don't know what a liege waffle is you mean ol eh eh I'm sorry I'm just rolling I'm trolling the entire universe right now so so it I mean I haven't used a windows phone 8 device full time in months uh and and it like you with each passing day I feel like I have less authority to speak about how good it is of a primary device but from my last my lasting lengthy experience with it which is on the one say on the 920 actually I'm glad I have to totally agree with you that the email client it's funny like I've heard many people including verge staffers tell me that the email client is great I think it's nonsense I attack allows one of them actually I was one of them like when we first saw a windows phone I was like this is really clean and tidy and night I need and fast right he just hasn't moved since that like data threaded messaging and I thought okay well don't know that we need to do and they haven't nowhere near well I I also don't like I I mentioned this a little bit last week but like the the entire philosophy around animations and screen transitions in Windows Phone is cute for the first 15 minutes that you're using it and then it becomes increasingly annoying over time same is true is in Mac OS or excuse me OS X we're like there are screen there are these like stupid animations everywhere that you can't do anything about and well you can you can that there are settings you can tweak but they're not immediately obvious where to go to find those those settings and so the default is that over the course of your day you're probably wasting minutes of time just looking at windows going bloop bloop bloop all over the screen same same in Windows Phone 8 and Windows Phone 7 for that matter like just watching menus collapse and expand and screens go this way in this way it's I i would prefer to have none of that happen but like it's it's cool when you're picking up in the store but as an owner as a windows phone owner that's not something that I necessarily want to see ya Steve so but the only thing I heard of that entire rant was you call it OS X when we all know it's always 10 I was waiting for someone I bailed him out on that no it's it's not OS 10 be because then because then dieter what are you arguing to say OS 10 10.8 yeah now oh it's 10.8 know it's if it's OS X in fact I'm sure I find I'm sure there's a whole bunch of people say no I'm just saying I'm sure the argument was that intentionally so people can subconsciously say two words sex when they're thinking about apple according to wikipedia it so is 10 that's what I'm saying I mean it's not something I ever pronounce the loud I guess but it's like me and hors d'oeuvres I didn't know how to pronounce our d'oeuvres until I was like 25 how did you pronounce him before host goobers yep yeah we're back for me books I was right that doesn't really funny thing about French is that a lot of French words have infiltrated their way into bulgaria and actually know them from bulgaria right but then I've come in like we didn't yeah I kind of read it exists only to troll toll way to make people feel bad about not knowing how to pronounce things at sealed that's that's what it's for okay um if I'm going to college and I'm gonna stick with I'm gonna stick with Jaffe I'm gonna stick with it max I'm gonna stick with Lee AJ and I'm gonna stick with aluminum and and everyone can can deal with it wait wait wait wait everyone can deal with it if I don't have a gif of that by the end of the show or a chip depending on how you problem yeah that's Jeff oh my god um android we're moving on I hope a droid uh so I wrote a story about the locked bootloaders on the HTC One and the galaxy s4 talked to all four major carriers in the US and I also talked to HTC and I talked to Samsung and then I got corrected on Twitter thank you very much for the corrections basically the way that it looks is you want to unlock your bootloader on one of these phones and you don't want to hack it do something you know crazy hacky not an expert but you still want to be able to do custom roms you want to be like a mid-level hacker right I don't know all right this is this is the worst explanation of unlocking bootloader as ever but bottom line is verizon 18t working the law boot loaders although it's weird because apparently some 18t models are currently unlocked and then they're going to walk them later maybe and then sprint and tmobile our unlocked tmobile says they're going to lock the gs4 but they haven't to date so basically the story in 2013 is that carriers are still being a pain and like they're the ones not the manufacturers that are like causing these android phones to be locked down at this point you should surprise anybody right right um but what's crazy is like I would like reach out I would like talk to Samsung and HTC and said hey guys tell me about the software that you make on the phones that you like put through a factory really it you tell me what they are like yeah now you gotta ask carriers or not we can't comment on that like that's how deep it goes that's it's crazy making but is where I think we're way better off so we were a year ago right I mean the HTC has got HTC dev so you can go and unlock your phone officially through them presumably will see a galaxy s4 developer variant at some point and it looks like at least in the early days that the galaxy s4 on AT&T and Verizon the hackers are gonna be able to unlock the bootloader they've already shown that they can do it but they haven't released a method because I think they're waiting for verizon's to get released so they can you know use it on both so like we're doing okay as far as like custom roms on these you know these modern generation of phones but we're still not out of the woods in terms of Android being as open for customers as it is for carriers the existence of the unlock 700 megahertz HTC one is still like the most heartwarming thing in all of the American mobile landscape right now it was not a veterans before we get more like we saw the Xperia Z got released but it wasn't done LTE but we're expecting good like I can't tell if you're doing that to troll me or if you like you're genuinely like Canadian like which is it boy it foes a thing they sold out of them I seem to recall a tweet from HTC saying they saw it out of their dead phones which does show that there's at least yeah but we don't know how many they had to sell they could have had like a hundred votes yes that's always the case and like all of XDA developers forums would have bought them up and it's done right nice trick sure I mean blackberry has been saying they've sold out of Z tens and tens and all of that stuff whereas for we know they've sold like two dozen yeah yeah I doubt that HTC is is uh what's the word I'm looking for diverting very much of their manufacturing capacity of making these devices because I did there's this this hard-headed belief among oh yeah that nobody wants these things and maybe they're right I mean yeah at the end of the day you still have to pay 575 dollars for this phone in a market that's used to paying at most 2 49 yeah so that's that's a barrier that they still need to get over but okay the thing that we can save definitively on the base of this information is that the interest is greater than HD estimated it to be yeah yeah so it's enough speaking of things that manufacturers and carriers have hard-headed Lee told us that nobody wants smaller phones with actually good specs we we've already got the first which is still mid-range and with a terrible camera but there's this leak of the m4 uh from HTC religion yeah it looks it's maybe this was from a couple weeks ago but like I I can't stop looking at it basically looks like a 4.3 inch HTC One yeah and um if they put a real processor in this thing like this looks like an awesome camera this means i said it's going to break your heart what's going to happen they ok why do they always break my heart it's going well it's so a few things one there's there's no well no I stand corrected 8 the rumors at eighteen t is going to launch as can say it's not going to come to us but rumors that AT&T is gonna pick it up uh but is it's going to be a you know a dual-core processor sir it's gonna have a crappy display it's going like everything about it is my patience isn't 20p super OCD which is following a 4.3 yeah 4.3 inch 720p display is phenomenal it's like there's a waiting press it's gonna have a one-inch air gap it's going it's gonna have a half inch bezel surrounding holographic display this play will actually be behind the phone as you hold after actually guys there's a point to brace it and that is it is precisely because the flows in these phones aren't that big because there's more kind of things that sneak under your skin and just annoying irritate you that's why we get so again I know I didn't irritate about it like if it was a one-inch air gap it would be so far away from idea of a perfect phone or of an ITF Oh wouldn't even think about it but when i get close when they start approaching it and when they start yeah just showing you the potential that's what it gets really frustrating but another point i was gonna raise which Stan was saying is gonna have half an inch a bezel unless you come back around to the idea that we need bezels around focus because in using the s4 I mean I said I'd only use it for say it's been manga and using the s4 it actually has two little brothers yeah that's just speaking to the point that the screens too big if the screen wasn't say I mean absolutely be able to manage it i mean if you look at the iphone 5 if there's like no bezel surrounding it and you don't have the issues that you have with the bigger screens like oh you do maybe i phone 5 you do have a nice chunk of centimeter oh so a bezel on top and on the bottom Oh below it but I mean on the sides like on on the one my the the fat part of my at home always like rut when I'm trying to reach across the screen it always hits something before it before i get there because the screen but what I'm saying is you basically need to have some portion of the front of the device which you can hold on to pretty much just something to put your finger on and it doesn't react where is with the galaxy s4 the whole thing pretty much is and even put your finger on it exactly exactly we would have ever you hover action so the very bottom is the back button and the menu button in the homes button and very top where you get the other extra bit of bezel with the export you can't reach because the 5-inch freaking foam and it's too big so most of the time works happenes are picking up the phone I turn it on and I'm activating things i'll press him back pool and canadian google now or something so what the speaking of the s4 what do you guys think of this drama about its storage capacity that because of all the extra stuff they've added there's you know to fewer gigs available still the 16 gig version the base model i forget how much storage it has freed samsung statement was like well we've got a microSD slot so just use that suckers like I mean this is a big deal I know it's just gonna take up and yeah it's not even anything less you need to Samsung or to Android because the Lumia 720 that I've got has five point four gigabytes available I think right so that only happens not only has eight gigabytes to start with right but this dude 534 is very close to you know 56% it you know yeah but I mean the thing is like I I I don't think it's a huge issue for most most users I think power users are gonna have a problem with it but i don't think that Samsung's argument that a micro SD card slot is the answer because uh yes if you put a micro SD card slot you can fit a lot of music and photos on there but if you're say playing games or you have like these big files the latest versions of androids don't don't let you move those to the SD card like they used to so you can fill up your free storage with like five games and be done so I don't know if you're gonna be doing that by the 32 game I model I guess yes launching tomorrow is that right no sir the 10th I think yes on Friday Yeah Yeah right listen here is the absolute worst thing about the galaxy s4 and Oh galaxy phones in general okay it's okay study it you like a few days ago I was in my bathroom I heard a popping noise of water droplets and I was like with Samsung device he's making that noise oh it was me nevermind it was actually it was actually water droplets hitting puts it in the sink it's that bad is that it's gotten that bad and so that I use samsung devices in databases it's actually that I'm coming across them and come across people who just don't bother changing the default sound ski I will say that the the default sounds in the galaxy s4 much improved over the galaxy s3 but yeah there's still bloobity bloobity yeah yes and they said the technical term there's that whistle that everyone uses their notifications I'll on that whistle yes that's the default one it's the first so it's it's I find it just as annoying as the marimba iPhone ringtone that nobody wants average but that that Samsung what is the only ringtone at least on the s3 that there's actually high-pitched enough for me to be able to hear it because all the other octaves in my register are gone I don't speak audio terms that well so pretend i use the right words in that previous sentence yeah but you have a pebble so you can you don't even need to hear it you can just have a rich prick which brian klug has just confirmed me on twitter that if you turn on accessibility options on the HTC One there's a known bug where when you hit dismiss call it actually answers it and that is like been the bane of my existence I've been like answering calls that I mean to dismiss and it's because of this bug I'm super happy that I know that now now you can just dismiss stuff directly from the watch so I won't be answering those calls so you've had a lot of like really awkward like hellos that you had no intention of taking I'm guessing I don't I just picture him like hitting the decline button to be like I really didn't want to talk to that person yeah the phone hit like I go the same in that my head probably happen probably haven't once I really don't want to talk to chrissy today oh yeah uh then what a friday also we've got the optimus G coming out an AT&T I'm sorry honesty front row the phone that I I want to care about it but I really just don't I mean I'm losing my I feel like Optimus G is is probably one of the most underrated and underappreciated phones in 18 tease lineup which isn't saying much but yeah I don't know that the g pro it just feels like it's such a me to device like you if you could come up with a me to like a definition of a me to device it would be like well here's a Gears the note 2 and six months later here's the g pro they look like physically identical the only difference between them is the fact that the pro has a 1080p display now and a i guess a more modern processor but likes competition then they're so similar like LG didn't differentiate at all except for on those places to the modern concept of competition is this you go you sent spies out they go into the factories they go into the blueprint drawing room however samsung schemes up his phones they find out how to do it and they copy that's competition and samsung companies LG sometimes and and it's making even worse is that like LG knows how to make hardware that's nicer with either if you look at the optimus G or the nexus for their glass and rubber they just well the a penci any talk about nexus 4 nursed a nice hard way it's better it's better than the g pro and the note tues like glossy cheap feeling plastic like the cheese fair enough is exactly like the note 2 in that respect so fair enough but again that's not meet setting particularly high pave is it no I'm sayin I'm saying it's like you know they could have done something different but they didn't they I think yeah absolutely both of these companies also a fee if you look at the desktop monitors actually right and particularly some of their laptops which wouldn't make it out of career but looked really amazing a couple of years ago ticket LG had some laptop so make current ultrabooks look ugly in fact you know they absolutely know how to do good industrial design I just think their priorities are not the ones that idealists and purists would like to see you know I think we had their work into a budget at the at the pace of of spec iteration that Samsung and LG and frankly the entire mobile industry want to work at though I think that like their only option is to like you know not put a ton of time and effort into industrial design not put a ton of time or effort into materials like they basically are just putting bigger processors and more radios into a box into a generic box and and that's that's how you end up with products like the gs4 and not miss G pro exactly you know we had a meeting with them with Samsung a few weeks before the launch of the gs4 where someone from another publication said uh you know like this industrial design sucks like what's going on and and they said that the response from one of Samsung's executives was well I don't think that we're being given enough credit for all the all the stuff we're packing into this phone and it's like yes that's true like you're packing a lot of stuff into the phone but it's at the sacrifice of a quality you know look at the the term is you know jewel the jeweled product not jeweled that makes it sound like it's bedazzled I mean like I only like an iPhone 5 or an HTC One that's something that that Samsung LG clearly have no at least in their phone divisions have no intention of trying to pursue and maybe that'll change eventually but right now that's not what the game is about for them that's right i mean for samsung it's just selling these things hand over fist and making tons of profit and then I think for LG it's trying to do whatever Samsung's doing right if you think about it LG has it's a line of proud of folks so it does try and differentiate yourself with design firm and what is the last time a prada phone came out it's been a while nothing it has made that long the prada phone for free point oh whatever it was with android i think it was like three years ago now no no in the last year no maybe energy doesn't love it when my tears reason anyway i know i attended their launch event and but doesn't try with those devices it's a design phone in quotation marks you know my god the the webpage for prada phone by LG 3.com have got at norton trying to look like he's going to murder you I think you muted yourself theatre active anything yeah I'm titanime resizing I'm just looking at a giant image of Ed Norton looking like he wants to kill me and you are you looking at american history x are you looking at i'm looking at a prada phone by LG 3.com by american history x yeah and it has oh my god it has like the home back and search button on the bottom like it's a cute little android interface this is the worst this phone is not new ok I'm sorry I've just I want it now yeah I'm gonna go but member it had the black and white interface like there was no color on the home screen yeah I think of lab correct me if i'm wrong i think aaron reviewed that right uh concerti i know i didn't yeah i think he really did hit it so yeah actually that makes it way yeah probably year old december of twenty Lana's wedding this video with that norton right now and it's running 2.3 yeah yeah fascinating information dita you should wikipedia you guys I don't know if I brought this up on the on the podcast but you guys realize that ATT still sells an android 2.2 phone right what yeah the sharp FX plus 0 is it too like b2b isn't is that like know if she's blown wasn't it not not until long ago that Verizon sold the what was that Windows Phone 7 model that they had from acc uh they sold it for an eighty dollar bro Theon tracks yes yeah and then and then I believe sprint or one of the other carriers was still stalling like the bold before the 9900 yeah with the tour or whatever there's there's still an active link to buy a palm pre 2 from verizon yes someone tweeted it at me the other day like you there's still a way to get to the checkout page like I don't know if it would actually work I don't they would send you a preacher or not but well I know I know that there's been sites those like daily deal sites that you can get like a pre to for like 50 bucks or something for verizon uh yeah and I've been super tempted to buy one because I don't have that particular model but i've refrained but i think you can still order direction verizon for like two hundred dollars hey every tues relation rate i have one observation to contribute right here what I'm noticing is that all of us are at the moment anyway bearded rapidly approaching middle age and fondly were collecting nostalgic leave a collecting about phones of the past that's where we're at right and waffles this is this is our eyes actually I'll yell the eldest of this group so and I should I should contribute my phone that i worked from the past which is actually the panasonic eluga power wow I really want to look every one of those and they just kind of came and went that was on the market for like half a week right right yeah i mean i remember seeing them at mwc 2012 and it was Panasonic's big push and they were showing off how waterproof it wasn't everything and then I never saw it again yeah I mean I think it was only on sale for like a month or two or she was away speaking of crazy things last left the fact that this first else like you I is being brought back as an Android launcher it's kind of crazy if ya recall that part that product Oh another one that I'm w at market but we have to discuss this I mean the foot do we really have to we doux-doux come on so if ok ok so the else 41st else was a phone that was based on a company out of is real yep that was based on IP that they got from access which was the company in Japan that bought the remains of the original palm OS uh way back after they split into palm source and palmone so before webos before even cobalt which was the operating system that they were making and then killed and then maybe they were making another one kind of based on who knew anyway like this thing happened and this company made an operating system based on it and then it made a UI on top of it that was the else you I and now it's it's not dead it's available as a home screen replacement for your android phone and have we done I think it is free i think it's it's considered a beta right now but i think it is free oh good times what's crazy about it is if i'm not mistaken it's like they developed it and launched it like it's not somebody that just made a copy of it or mimicked it and like created a launcher out of it so it's doubly nice i mean first of all the company went on though so that was annoying but it is about the product ever coming to market well does the thing i was saying will discussing this in Chatterley i'm saying this is mosque esque and so far it is it's a really ambitious projects that reminds you you might think I Elon Musk is the one behind it in being so kind of thing about this android launcher makes me think that Elon Musk is behind literally nothing about this launch never crossed my mind okay well I don't know the luncheon looks like we come on the the thing with it this companies that they were really really ambitious and maybe maybe they got me at a time when it wasn't quite so jaded like the way jolla yola are happening right now and all of us are like yeah nothing's gonna happen for me i was a feeling that when the in place first outs came out and also they did have a really unique hook or feature which I guess ultimately turned into a gimmick which was at the whole UI and menu an interface would essentially sprout out from your thumb so you place your thumb of the screen and then you got everything kind of it's actually very similar to the the camera interface on stock android 4.2 yeah which is terrible yeah i mean like a google trust in allah and failed and i guess that that's the point it's a good idea but nobody is executed correctly yet but the first actually not a good idea no I absolutely categorically deny that it's not a factual I mean I played around with it and it looked quick enough and it looked sensible enough I mean the whole idea is you can use it with just one hand like absolutely you don't need a second hand and everything is immediately right next to your thumb because it literally starts the menu out from your thumb right so it's like your purse on the screen then you get over your menus and you're like okay I'm going into messaging and then you get an eight the next submenu exploding out of that space and you go into your latest message cetera and that basically means that with a guided swipe here screen you can go you know three menus deep or something like that or three levels deep into a menu any two an item so he had the potential I had something I was really interested in unique I think ultimately it was a case of not finding the funding and I'm getting the carrier contracts in place so I mean particularly with this pricing right now I don't care if the beat or not being free I'm totally just gonna load it up on some android phone and see what's happening with it for nostalgia for no other reason it's been a while since we gotta beat a hottie yeah I'm pretty happy who made that happen I'm free 30 I promise you I will never remember which one is the American which one is English would beat or beta the one that what about weird is the American one what about tech named a that's that's mine I'd like to see tech maybe um I feel like the way they should have they should have done this this launcher is instead of launching on Android they should have launched on an open webOS version of the n8 the Nokia and nursing n9 know the development the N 9 50 yes yes that's what they should have done so that literally like when you when you like filter it all down like literally one human being can load it that's that's hey palms former CEO is joined Qualcomm's board of directors jon rubinstein he's now on amazon's board and Qualcomm's board make of that which how many times is jon rubinstein been pulled off of a mexican beach and i had to work at a company to save a company i fin just one time well i mean at all fairness I don't think Qualcomm meet saving Qualcomm seems to be doing very well yeah they're doing this is this is the first time that he's not that he's like attached to a company that's already you know well so hopefully was Gene all things deep broke the story on this and one of the things they pointed out is like of everybody on the board he's like the most one of the two most like technically savvy people like he's one of the few engineers actually have in there for which is not what do you expect on a company like Qualcomm yeah that's all the people on the board of directors actually do govern corporately they choose a CEO they approve mergers and acquisitions pain I've been it from Chris they went jacket so get that kind some of them even wed sighs I've seen them do it but they're there they are there to look out for the best interests of the shareholders and there's meant to be separate from the company's own you know executive management infrastructure is it as much as possible because they're a check on a balance to serve the best interests of the shareholders so they take reports from the CEO and the accountants and everything else and makes sure that the company's plans are good at proper little-known fact about Qualcomm drop some knowledge on you guys oh boy no key asiri is Qualcomm's hardware division yes us what yeah exactly that is that is blowing my mind right now I had no idea yes you're also one of the very first if not nothing is a second palm based phones uh-huh yep that's yes yes what's on room remember her Qualcomm made the the Q I believe it was called and and that was palmas based right yeah now I bet you guys didn't know that kyocera had a line of digital cameras but they did I did not know that that I did not know welcome to the virtual show where we react idea and talk about waffles at dharwad waffles and then read Wikipedia on how to pronounce waffles right OS 10 second question about board of directors in Ruby say if Amazon and Qualcomm come together to start negotiating the amazon kindle phone whatever they want to call it and Qualcomm obviously with the Snapdragon series has a very compelling set of chips wouldn't ruin stance position being on both boards of directors be a conflict of interest I suppose it would depend on the particulars I mean Eric Schmidt was on apple's board he could just sit out and I I always thought that was and yeah I mean he left when the conflict became very obvious but I was yeah that was kind of awkward but he also said but even before he left he said that he would frequently recuse himself from our conversations if he felt that it was conflict of interest so Jeremy nothing like different boards work different order some parts are just there to like you know hang out and drink margaritas and some boards are there like HP's board glamorie and HP's board like it's just it's just a whole bunch to like pyromaniacs there's like what I want to light on fire today what whose dreams do we want to crush today I don't know man in in many ways the slate 7 is a dream come true boy I know you want to buy today and then stearyl position the slate 7 man I tell you it's atrocious they should have just launched the the opal right yeah the ovals so much better do I have it here no it's not here I right for those who don't know the opal was was the touch pad mini touch but go go excuse me which which HP came within days of releasing yeah and it had a really good screen it was the same resolution as a full-sized touchpad so whatever it was for the time it was the weird square but it like if they had managed to price it aggressively it would have been a way better seller it would have been like the first like really successful small tablet it would it would have out mini the ipad mini before the ipad mini was well i'm thinking like out nexus 7 the nexus 7 yes yeah but i mean it had the same aspect ratio is the ipad mini same screen resolution yeah probably around the same size maybe probably a little thicker I was a lot better but you know it was also 2011 basically everyone just ripped up HP yeah that's it that's the kids are deadening dish oh you should learn them we like waffles Apple ripped off HP that's what we're saying right um so okay we actually talked about this on the last mobile show tom wheeler but like it's confirmed now he's going to be the new chairman of the FCC well maybe if he is if he's confirmed oh yeah he's gonna be he's been nominated right assuming the Senate doesn't play politics which you know who knows what the Senate and uh Eddie no crisps wrote a really good uh report again telling us about who this guy is and basically like he spent his life being a shill for lobbying groups but maybe he's not so bad is that my takeaway from this yeah he's he's got nothing to lose any more right he's he's in his twilight years he is a wealthy wealthy man i can't wait for your first interview so in my twilight years no no it's but it's a very very uh you know fair point that that this is someone who is effective like he's not in julius genachowski position of being very young and having you know a long career in in private life ahead of him so i think that that is probably going in many ways inform his policy making so I don't think yes I think that it is fair to be very worried that he has spent his entire life lobbying for uh wireless carriers as the president of the ctia for a dozen years uh he he was president of nagda which is the national cable television association for a number of years and before that he worked for the grocery Manufacturers Association so all of which has me getting my like anti riot gear like that is right your gear you know I'm like ready to like you know go and experience some tear gas protesting this guy like hearing that resume like I am not happy but there's a but it yes totally fair and in the butt is that he is he is old and has money and so that might is he's an old rich like that hey a world where our best hope for like openness and government treating its citizens best is that the guy that's going to be put in charge is an old rich guy well hey it worked for New York City and Michael Bloomberg right uh you know that the man finances his own campaign so he didn't get caught up in any weird financing schemes uh and I I think that you know he isn't influenced by people who want to pay him because he's wealthier than than God so there's no like he is his own man and that that makes him in many ways a better leader I think makes him dangerous makes him a wild card do anything very true and I think that that Tom wheeler could end up going the same way what's very interesting about him is that he he runs his own blog called mobile I I mention it in the piece mobile yeah that's right mobile musings yeah and and and at first I was like oh man this is a gold mine I'm gonna find out all sorts of dirt on on the way tom wheeler thinks and all these really important issues but then you start reading the post and you and they are written as though they were written by a sitting FCC Chairman like there's but it is so pretty everything he writes is so disturbingly pragmatic like he doesn't actually say anything you just like presents the issues is like yeah that's a that's a good one and then no that's that's a thing yes exactly so you can't actually like deduce hardly anything about the way he feels about anything from this blog that he's been writing for years so it's like he's been prepping for the past decade to be FCC Chairman and frankly I think that his his confirmation is going to go very smoothly because even though he was nominated by Democratic president he is uh he is his resume certainly indicates that he's extremely pro-business so that's going to appease the Conservatives and the Republicans that are on his confirmation um better they're in it in his his confirmation hearing so III I don't foresee him getting rejected all of the companies that you would think might have an issue with a newly nominated FCC Commissioner have pretty much throw their whole weight behind him as as said very effusive things as much love the pic right which is disturbing in its own right scariest thing ever for upcoming things for the FCC yeah yeah Jim cecconi who is up who's a tease bulldog of a policy boss like he is his 18 tease main guy in in Washington DC he he said something like you know I've known Tom wheeler for many years and he is a an inspired pick was his his phrasing I think an inspired pick for FCC chairman which scares the crap out of my goodness Jim cecconi is a scary man if I were if I were working in Washington on anything related to wireless I would not want to encounter Jim cecconi is obvious from the way that he talks on 18 piece public policy blog that he that he reports like he is he is a total wild card he's a he's a dangerous dude who will get his way and I and and of course is his most famous misstep was the failure to get the t-mobile merger approved but uh even if you go back a couple years in town wheelers blog even point he specifically points out cecconi is like that dude will like argue you under the table like he he is one of them the best lobbyist in Washington uh and and Jim cecconi alone could very well push the t-mobile deal through of course that ultimately didn't happen but but that that the the fact that tom wheeler brought up cecconi a couple years ago I think is very telling in a little scary this look this is how this is going to go wheeler is going to get approved his nomination is going to become approved and then the end of this year we're going to see the 600 megahertz block of spectrum get it auctioned off and Verizon an 18th you're gonna walk in shake hands and verizon's going to take the bottom half and each context gonna take the top half and they're going to be the exact same situation that we were in with the 700 megahertz auction and the SEC is gonna like say okay done I I wouldn't put it past that CC from doing that but we'll see I mean again I think wheeler the only thing we know about tom wheeler is that we don't know anything about it like yes he he he was a lobbyist for all these years but his his current position is unique his appointment by obama i think is unusual you know the relationship like you'd be amazed by the president what does he have a ward is he Batman did this time what does is Tom wheeler Batman is that we were asking yeah yeah Oh Batman so are you saying that like at night like he like goes into his basement and like gets dressed up like a like a bat yeah with nipples on his right suit and then he goes out and saw you he goes out and write some mobile musings right oh yeah he solves mobile crimes you know this conversation had so many red flags already and so he freaked out and worried and to have my mares and now dieter adds some batman dressing up action to as far as i know he is not Batman but I could be wrong I mean I did my research for that piece maybe I missed some big important have an alternate alternate identity you know good could be a superhero in secret I sue you sue I mean from my perspective this is just so so depressing because two things stand out for me firstly this AT&T guy that Christmas been talking about that shouldn't matter you know about his argumentative skills I mean I know you say that but like ultimately the decision should be made in basis what's the best decision right because to me the SEC and any other such making organization should be making the best possible judgment and they should be an objectively justifiable one you know not one that's just 50 by the arguments presented by the AT&T loudmouth so that's one thing but the other thing is the thing that these were saying with his wealth and his age and all that stuff it is just so dispiriting for the most positive thing for us we have to say about wheeler is that well maybe he's so old and so wealthy that he lacks the ambition to do something really really evil right why that's the problem that's all problem oh you have we complacency is the problem so like I'll need somebody do to let to need the ambition to do so but our best-case scenario is that his was position is in prison yes to see a gem German kiss championship is going to be marked by him being a benign influence that's our best case scenario reading that we're not gonna see somebody who's gonna push an agenda aching to what t-mobile has done with the uncarrier action like that is not happening with this guy I don't think that I agree is that one of the things you need to remember about the US wireless market and and the way that the this regulation happens is we're still like it we're in this weird for you know a hundred years we had a state-sanctioned monopoly ma belle 18t controlled all telecommunications all telecommunications are really mattered in the US and we broke it up because that's what we decided to do and then we had a whole bunch of fractured stuff and now like we're starting to see consolidation again because apparently American telecommunications love monopoly's as now we've got verizon and we got AT&T and that's just sort of like in the the deep like history and the zeitgeist in that whatever the context of like how people think about phones and stuff in the u.s. at this scale is you know our it isn't that sort of monopolistic or the traumatic stress from breaking monopoly or reforming the monopoly kind of thing and so this guy having worked for the CIA having 18t like him when this when eighties lobbyists bulldogs act like a pt's lobbyist bulldog he's doing it as a teen t is today but he's also doing it with the full force and weight of this company that was like a good for the country for a long time and then got broken up so it's it's one thing to say yeah this guy's terrible for ATT he's terrible for us or whatever but there's also losing my point but there's there's a deeper history here that informs what the FCC does and what their relationship as a government entity is to these giant wireless companies and another very interesting point that people have made about wheeler is that he was he was involved with these trade organizations necta and CJ a at a formative time in both of those industries that Kate would keep in mind when he took the helm at nekton 79 or 80 cable TV was like this this you know scrappy upstart that was not the dominant player basically had zero subscribers and needed laws to be tweaked in order for them to be able to get a foothold and and same could be said for CTA I think that he took the helm in 92 or 94 so around there and ran until two thousand four so that's a very different wireless landscape than 2008-2010 2013 right so it's difficult you know III think that let's put it this way I think that putting Tom wheeler in charge of that CC is very different from putting Steve Largent in charge of the FCC who by the way sorry as Steve Largent is the current president of ctia yeah if Steve Largent got a seat on the board at the FCC I don't even know that would be problematic there are not enough tables in the world for me to flip um I guess okay we already talked about t-mobile and MetroPCS mergers finalized fine and then it looks like sprint and Softbank like that's still moving forward slowly we're gonna have a vote from clear what clear later on softbank is saying they've got 4g experienced dishes saying the culture matters which is pretty xenophobic but whatever but like it still seems like that train is like coming into the station despite the best efforts of a whole bunch of companies to derail it what what confuses me is why so many people are so interested in sprint you know a third or fourth place player at this point well I think I think dish is interested because it's it sees its way into the wireless market and it's the best opportunity it has but you know and clear has said numerous times i think that sprint is it's only hope so i can in i think that if dish can't buy sprint excuse me can't can't buy can't buy Clearwire then they are going to go after t-mobile but we happen to contribute to this is that I'm going to drop some financial knowledge in you guys and that's the fact that bond prices pretty much around the world are just bottoming out like any sort of debt doesn't give the return that people want so this is what we see in the stock markets without any underlying strength to them going up and up and up even today the UK stock market index was up like I don't know how many points just because people there are actually vast sums of money that people have and they need to pull into something and they're not happy with the return again from bonds because the interest rates are just flat zero the you lowered its interest rate recently so now they're just trying to find things in the stock market that are relatively reliable in ways to use their money it's kind of getting to be as simple as that like this loads of money that people need to put somewhere so you can give it to me that would be vibe they can he could spend like two billion a week in a week yeah hey I want you do sir okay interesting challenge to spend two billion dollars unlike consumer goods what's the movie posters millions what's the movie where the guy has to spend a million dollars room I'm in billion dollars spent a million dollars in a single transaction are you kidding me no no that's actually interesting one if you don't if you get like two billion dollars and you don't spend it on investing on creating something like this urn Large Hadron Collider or something bonkers like that right or if you don't launch your own rocket into space if you're just buying consumer goods can you actually spend two billion dollars in a week yes yeah yeah because you could buy houses you can buy real estate you can buy and now we have the shorter ari's uh risk and buy a bunch of sneakers so put it in perspective if you were to buy HP if you if you were to buy the entire allotment of Ferrari laferrari 'he's that alone would be 1 billion dollars ok I'm gonna put some providers on it to make it interesting right you have to buy unique things so you can't just go and buy 10,000 of something and the healthy things you can carry so as you oh ok well then I would just buy a lot of extremely large diamonds yeah damn it this is just foolish focus okay just just just work with me so I mean my tea is like you start off with a phone and then you get a tablet get every single type of ultrabook yeah that is impossible my book well then it's impossible I mean I think I could live pretty comfortably for the rest of my life on 2 billion dollars I don't know if Chris hood but you know I think I think if I had two billion dollars I probably could make it last in my lifetime and I might be able to put my kids through college maybe me the second part the mono sure about that i'm at if if you can't put your kids through college on that amount of money then something has gone horribly wrong with both your personal life and also just so very clear it's just very clear i am absolutely certain that i could live more than comfortably just of the interest of two billion dollars so you can keep two billion just give me whatever you get from the bank inches basic interest ladies and gentlemen that has been the verge mobile show we want to thank you so much for suffering through it with us if you want to follow us on twitter you can and should chris's said power I hate you just be powered oh yeah you should mention uh just because of the craziness of the upcoming weeks all right darling our schedule might be pretty fluid yeah so we've got I Oh blackberry live nokia and then like after that what WWE CJ xbox e3's in there um yeah it's all the worst it's going to be a crazy couple of months so if we miss a show that that's okay if we have an extra show give us that won't happen yeah we'll forgive ourselves and you will too um Kirsten GCC for Gladys wats app above I am back lon we are advert this is DC see fit dan is DCC first guy chris is dead power yes hey chris is now verified I'm fine what's it what about next random I don't know actually Nicolette spat out the time 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