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we'll show take two we are live on the internet for really real and this episode is 48 and we're presumably going to last more than the 50 seconds our last attempt uh managed to get so here we are welcome to the virtual show i am your host a very discombobulated dieter bohn i'm glad some i'm dan seifert and for the second time on chris sigler and i don't even know if you ever want to throw dieter off his game make him do to intros to two different mobile shows within five minutes make me do to intros and tell me I'm live on air when I don't know if I'm live on air and I think I'm going on air in the midst of me going on air that's okay we're we're very grateful to our podcast video podcast producers they're the best and I have no complaints so here we are and we've got a week's worth of mobile news and you know I kind of went on a giant webos rant today on Twitter you really did you guys let's go down this I think I'm over it think it's no we should fire back up right here now yeah I mean what do you want me to think is about the fact that I want to know what what what what led you to pull out of ear over the weekend and use it so oh you know mortal day weekend and I don't have much for life so we spent the weekend like putting together deck furniture and like cleaning out the apartment and my bike which I had left on the balcony had rusted out and so I took that the goodwill just cleaning stuff out and we've got like four viewers in the closet it's like oh hey this viewer is really cool I is so small it's so cute I mean look at look at this thing it's so little and cute and amazing anyway um my voice is like high-pitched like when you see a puppy for the first time which is how the viewer makes me feel it's like a cute little puppy um that died in its sleep it was it was murdered in its sleep anyway it's such a small phone in my head I'm like oh well this obviously takes a microsim so I'm going to put us in this card to activate it because you can't activate a webos device out of the box without a sim unless it's the touch pad so I'm like okay cool stick the sim minute oh wait no it takes a full size sim this tiny itty-bitty little phone takes a full size SIM card or whatever what's what's a calmness it has an HP logo in many senses so it's exactly what I maybe send the quote unquote full size anyway so my sim card got completely stuck in it so obviously the thing to do is take it apart and see if I get the sim out and I fix it does not have a tear down for this but webos internals does so i went there and took the phone of heart and was not able to get the sim card out without completely destroying the veer which made me sad but now i'm on a kick of activating all my web OS devices and try them again remembering how awesome certain parts of it is like the fact that you can have multiple cards per app so i can have a twitter app with a list card open for my list of verge editors and my main timeline i can have an IRC app open that works better than the IRC up and any other mobile device period and have cards for each room you know you root it by typing in the konami code there's just so much that was good about it and um a lot of the good news mean the Gator the good news reader is that LG is gonna keep the dream alive for you yeah these guys really want to see think about how many cards you can have on a TV so many cars you could have a card for each Channel yeah that's actually not a bad idea I like that I'm sure that's exactly what they're doing card for each channel they'll be able to stack them together swipe them away at all you have two giant gestures yeah use your robotic to automate the gestures look at it I don't know I could go on but I'm your kind of inspired either because I want to go home and turn my fear on and actually activate it but you know the whole sim card issue is going to be a problem for me just like it was well as long as you've got an adapter it's fine mostly ed I still don't own a pre three which really breaks my heart yeah you mean the pre three like the one that's sitting on a touchstone on my desk right now with the exposition mode enabled you know two years before came to Android and it's still not available on iOS where it displays ambient information while it's just sitting there in a discharging you mean that kind of pre three that is exactly the kind of pre three that I'm talking about and I'd be careful what you say Peter because I know where you live oh I'm not afraid afraid to uh to burgle you two here 33 man I'm gonna I'm gonna find a way to pair up my pre three with my folio I'm just gonna happen this is such a wonderfully dressing way to stater you need to pair up your p3 with a folio and then figure out some how to link up a touchpad go to it and it would just be like this trifecta of like rare palm devices yeah and then you could control the the whole thing with the the IR port on some late model s60 device or the aisle part on a treo 650 but yes even better mark it in a way that mattered this is very true okay okay how about an N and n 9 50 oh there you go that is a good call see now you're crossing the streams this is not right now you're looking to control some palm devices with this nokia like that's just you should use another palm devices as an IR port there was plenty of them yeah but they all got the point isn't it anyway the point is to pick phones that were made but not released their devices we should move on to the news that actually matters has everybody seen six fastest racers time x unfortunate well is it out yet in the UK plaid I know it is but I don't care about it that much hey char get off hang up how do we how do we kick him from the hanger and what's the command well damn and Sheamus plug for Chris he does have a an entire podcast dedicate this topic so yes not need to dig into it but it is happy yeah it it's called the past cast you can you can find it on my my personal blog blog that Ziggler c.net and yeah if you would like to really dive deep into the lure of the Fast and Furious universe I highly recommend that you check it out I gotta say I have a scene 2 through 5 and I felt like I missed nothing well that's because you didn't see 2 through 5 if you have seen two through five you would know exactly what you were missing by not seeing 235 was I missing the fact that the quote unquote plot twist with the thing I can't know it can we spoil it yeah there's my that's violet we better not there's a twist about eighty-five percent of the way through the movie and I was just like that this plot twist means nothing if they hadn't like told us and so shown us a couple of things which they did a lot in this movie um then I would have liked it would have mattered at all as it was it was just like why why do I care about this this plot twist I really just don't because you didn't see 45 okay I got two points to make here the first is that the assumption that you've missed something in 235 is an assumption that is some substance to this movie series where there is no substance to it really all it is it's a manifestation of the demise of Anglo American culture the fact that he just he just called nothing serious the downfall of Western civilization okay listen as you know all heard that Vlad has called The Fast and the Furious the downfall of Western civilization I came onto the show hat in hand literally i'm holding a hat in my hand to apologize to chris for having made so much fun of fast and furious over the years because I did thoroughly enjoy myself during the movie and I I mean despite their the glaring pot holes through which you could drive a giant Russian uh you know cargo jet and they did dr ajay impression cargo jet through those potholes and then they drove a car through the check the pulse it was a the fast the furious represents everything that's great about seeing a movie in a theater it's got lots of big explosions really fast cars and like all the stuff that give you a good reason to go get out of your house and go to a movie theater to see it it's not an art film that's gonna make you think it's not pushing the limit on cinematography but you know it's thoroughly enjoyable and it's just fun I mean I agree with everything you just said Dan except i would challenge you on it not being an art film i will challenge you on it not pushing the limits of cinematography other than that i totally agree with everything that you just said okay second point I I did have a second point to make which is that chris is somebody who's watched a movie and within the first five minutes of today's podcast he was threatening detail with burglary I mean how that's true impact it it's it's unmistakable i knowi chicago you see chicago bled is just a complete you know overturned cars everywhere I've just completely laid the slyest and fires and short one smashed into I'm sure Chris boham on his way back from to me that was Howie he would have resented I've assembled a team of miscreants to do you perform high-value heists I have many many things have changed in my life since seeing this movie but a team of former street racers who can no be right current maybe razor courage Teresa's who can make fast getaways mm-hmm and also just me just point out there is a subtle influence to the things that we watch and thoroughly enjoys you guys you try to make are you trying to make a segue because I've been thinking of how to pull it off and there's no way that we can at this point well the segue is I've got a point to make so let me make it a good example is Jamie Oliver he's a celebrity chef here in the UK and he went over to the United States as well when he's trying to introduce better school meals in the UK and he did an experiment to the US and stuff like that so I watch those documentaries i wish a few of them in a row and the guys where's quite a bit right so one day I watched few of those documentaries in the next day I started randomly swearing and if you watch enough sports people interviews you find yourself a couple of hours later saying you know a lot so every sentence is you know at the end of the day you know it's the Veer so you know I mean we tried to give 110% you know Vlad so my favorite TV shows are like madmen Game of Thrones and then movies like The Fast and the Furious and the last I checked I'm I'm not Don Draper I'm not beheading people and i wish i had a faster car never see you wish so well that really means is that you're not acting it out you're just repressed which is another problem with Anglo American culture but seriously let's do the segue where we completely openly admit that with segwaying to something mobile technology related which is these are speaking of things that are completely American because it's only available on verizon the Lumia 928 boom done yes I smell way ever well done that was a very fast very furious segue and i preciate that dieter um so I've been playing with the 928 it's in alamo if you concede my camera view I'm not looking at myself right now but um I've been playing with the 928 for a while you'll see the review up shortly um it's you know I mean I think that the the news of the phone and the specs of the phone very much tell the story of this phone which is that it's warmed over 924 verizon and it's you know that's a phone that Verizon needs the problem is that they needed it at the same time in the 921 what would hang us let's let's rephrase that does for rise and need this phone or does nokia need for risin to need this phone I think that Verizon I mean look if it's both I think that verizon has a vested interest in being in lockstep with AT&T in terms of platform support and exclusives um and the cdma carriers in general in the US have been pretty weak on Windows Phone and I think that that's not a good even though windows phone is not a particularly popular platform it's not a good look for them they need to be they need to be right there alongside t-mobile need you know if AT&T has this sweet looking bright blue Lumia verizon even if it thinks is only going to sell five of them still needs one on on its you know in its portfolio and they had that but verizon doesn't have a sweet looking bright blue Lumia well exactly I'm getting to that which is that they've kind in the process of taking this phone on they've kind of D beautified it it's and I don't know if that's nokia is doing or verizon's I suspect it's a combination of both and it might be specifically around the fact that they needed to skirt the exclusivity deal with ATT I'm just speculating I could be completely off-base with that but the phone is a lot more square than the 920 and it's only available in black and white much like they 22 which I think I mean if Verizon is doing that if reisen is saying look you know we don't want these crazy colors just give us white and black I mean screw those guys well I don't I don't know her eyes it is saying that because if you look at the 8x didn't verizon have all the funky colors ahead blue and red and yeah that's not just that the neon yellow just so they verizon introduced a blue I mean it is pretty much turquoise razr HD and razr m so it's absolutely no color shyness horizon yeah and and they've you know historically they've done a lot of black and red phones or black wood trimmed with red in the droid range so yeah the question becomes why is this phone so boring looking and why is only available in black and white and and just like they 22 and I don't have a good answer for that vm it looks good to me do you ever feel like certain phone carriers like intentionally kind of break phones too from the start like like they know so yeah like like like it like they nerfed it exactly like they took what was a very hot looking cool 920 and the like you know let's just make this a little more boring want to take attention away from the razor I absolutely think that's not a crazy theory and I've heard from several sources over the past couple years that there's still some residual heartburn from the Ken debacle which Wow urn which burned verizon for millions and millions of dollars burn Microsoft for more than that but but that you know verizon definitely got caught high and dry in that and I think it's strained their relationship with Microsoft and that might have a lot to do that that might explain to some degree why Windows Phones cdma support in general since the launch of windows phone 7 has been pretty weak because right you know verizon is you know that China excluded verizon is I think probably the biggest cdma carrier in the world in a very very large market for any OEM to target and so yeah we're just now getting this phone that's basically a warmed-over 920 except it doesn't look quite as good has a couple minor new features it has in my opinion reminder has a xenon flash which I used to think was a big deal but now I'm realizing that flashes are stupid and if you really don't like you know here in a in a perfect world you want a sensor that's good enough so that you never need to be in a situation where using a flash like a flash is like a last-gasp effort to capture something that absolutely needs to be captured and you're willing to accept the fact that the outcome isn't going to be very good I know it doesn't on a flash HP there no flash so true so I mean I'm 22 pointless when when Nokia introduced xenon flashes years ago on its Symbian phones the sensors that they were paired with were much less sensitive than they are today so it made much more I mean there's a lot of situations where you had to use a flash and if you have to use a flash xenon flash makes a lot more sense but I guess what you're saying today is there's a lot of situations where you can get away with not using a flash right right and and you know just thinking back to even the 1920 where Nokia was really trumpeting the low-light capabilities of that phone this this one is the same sensor 8.7 megapixels if not if I'm not mistaken it's branded as a pure view and it does well in low light granite kind of like waves its hands a little bit to be good and low-light it very very obviously is using a slow shutter speed and it has very high noise reduction so you end up with a really soft shot even when something is perfectly in focus because it's trying to blur out all the noise that you're accumulating so if you you take a picture in low light with the 928 uh right next to the iphone 5 you'll get a photo that's as bright out of the iphone 5 but it'll be much noisier because the noise reduction is and as aggressive so so that's that's one thing via the Xenon flash the other difference which I just could not care less about is that the 928 apparently can can capture audio up to 140 decibels with that distortion semi 140 like a jet engine is what a hundred decibels or something like that so I don't know what you could possibly be capturing at a hundred decibels exploding cars dude come on yeah obviously domain you obviously you were not bootlegging fast & furious 6 with your Lumia 928 as you should have been when you were watching it well it see if Nokia of smart they would go to justin lin the director / producer of fast fix who I don't think will be directing fast 7 but I think we'll still be involved in some capacity they should go to Justin land and say hey look if you agree to film fast 7 on the 928 we will pay you a bazillion dollars or at least claim to film it and will fake it and then burn burn my dress just to play devil's advocate for the audio recording wouldn't it be better performing say it like a concert maybe a lot of people are recording yeah audio concert doing video clips and maybe it'll be a little clearer there rather that's fair 808 PureView had the same kind of technology and it was pretty impressive on that at least yeah the coated rich recording right yeah I mean I don't know if you use it but with the 808 PureView in mind I think that is a device that really has the hardware capabilities because it has a really amazed in camera means the best camera attached to phone who've yet seen that has capabilities where you can really use it for more serious purposes whereas the 928 like chris says it has its issues with the camera with the shutter speed I don't perceive it as this awesome videographers device you know that you can take out and do something not professional but more serious than just the conventional pull it out of your pocket and we call something which you know diese can do with this via if it actually worked I you can go ahead and troll the Vienna hey do u 4 i'm tempted to try and schmooze one out of one of those out of you because I've never handled one of the views and i'll send you the one that i was working on last night how about that the my favorite thing to do with the Veer is to hold my hand out like this and then put the phone like right here and it doesn't reach the extremities of my palm yeah exactly like that yeah the beer is a very probable device very trouble bit so is it no actually the the headphone the microphone thing is like a classic nokia feature in that it's actually pretty awesome and it's something that what you have you're like oh this is really great i'm really glad this works so well but when you go to buy your next phone it doesn't even occur to you like I must have another phone like like Nokia makes phones that don't break that have got really good build quality and great reception and like other than you know for a few people that are really focused on that kind of stuff like nobody goes into the stores like give me the phone with the best microphone that yeah that's exactly right it's not a differentiator for anybody right I mean years ago with with feature phones or in flip phones and whatever dumb phones it certainly was a differentiator people would go in and they want the best sound quality because all you could do is make phone calls of the thing but nowadays obviously other features are much higher priority well so i should point out there's one other spec difference with the 928 which is that it has an AMOLED display instead of a the 920's IPS panel which is you know it is what it is that no get claims that the they use some term I think it's superior outdoor viewability or like this they have some specific like but vague enhancements to improve outdoor viewability of this display which of course is amyloids weak point and to be fair i took this outside and i can see it very well so you know it made no practical difference in the usability the phone and I I think that they probably did that the phone the 920 is only very slightly thinner than the 920 but i think that they still needed to swap that out to accommodate the Xenon flash is my guess hmm yeah like they needed the additional interior room yeah because the 925 which is the one to go introduced in London a couple of weeks back is much thinner than below let's talk about the night 25 because Chris and I actually both got her a chance to touch one and handle it last week uh and and dieter did you as well yeah brief yeah so so we've all touch it and frankly when we did our hands on with with Tom I believe did it in in London he said is the best-looking Windows Phone I was Morgan and Vlad was there of course best-looking windows phone in the market and I totally agree like it seems like you know the execution of Nokia's designer idea for a long time I've said the N 9 has kind of been the pinnacle of that but i think that the 925 really modernizes that design and and does a great job of blending the polycarbonate back with the aluminum rim at it's nice and thin and it feels you know great to hold and and you know frankly i think it's a it's a beautiful design yeah the matte finish on the poly car back on the 925 is super deluxe like I I would definitely not hesitate to own this phone if I had one compelled to complaints one the seams are little thick and out of place maybe that was my problem as the seams are a bit much but I mean other than that again lights yet my other complaint is the and Danny and I talked about this the snap-on back for Chi compatibility nobody is going to use that yeah just don't you know don't even do it I take that back everybody is going to use it because whenever I'm in public it strikes me how 99.5 percent of the population uses a giant clunky case on their phone so actually everybody will have that faq attached to the 925 what's funny is it's the same concept that's used on the 720 but the 720 s case actually like kind of covers the whole phone it looks like it's part of the phone it just makes it thicker whereas the 925 s just grabbed the corners and it just looks so bolted on and it just it just ruins the design of the entire thing right right yeah there's no reason to be use is their micro yes there must be a micro USB port right yeah yeah so there's no reason I mean I just I would just treat the phone is not having Chi basically no it doesn't right now it does asleep so I the other phone the other no key that we got a chance to see there was Dan it was the 620 right yeah the double shot model yeah I I want them so badly to make a high-end double shot phone and it that feeling was only reinforced for me after I saw the 620 in the flesh because it is so freaking cool to have these two completely different bright colors of plastic laminated against one another it just looks awesome yeah I think the one that we saw was for the new prepaid company a oh hey I 00 or whatever like it's custom-built for them and it was purple on the outside and then that the double shot interior color was like this this neon pink and it just looked really really sweet yeah so that Alliant one of our analysis is really just how sweet does it look hey that's a you know first impressions man like that's all we can give those phone let's yes and say they don't get to customize that's about as far as you can go sometimes well oh yeah go ahead I mean I was gonna say the 925 at least the units that I had had a the double tap to wake up and which is not my favorite feature from the n9 you could just tap on the screen twice and it wakes the phone up is well aren't they also doing the with the screen off the that shows the time without taking up much power have they brought that back I don't think so continued AMOLED display because yeah yeah this doesn't want to facilitate it with your older models but they haven't done it yet yeah great it seems to be the case that Nokia I mean the other thing is that the Asha 510 also has the double tap to wake right okay seems to seems to find it easier to port things over to its Asha platform the windows phone every time it brings an old symbian hormiga feature over the windows phone it's like a massive achievements like yes finally brush the sweat of you off your brow is like we've got something on a windows phone yeah but but yeah I mean double tap to wake is a really awesome awesome feature we have been fawning about it for so long but I mean it's just kind of like putting a cherry on top of a non-existent cake with Windows poker well here's one question that I didn't think to ask nokia and maybe one of you guys has the answer to this with double tap to wake if you have if you have the screen set to high sensitivity mode and you keep the phone in your pocket is going to brush up against like you're like the lining of your pocket and then detect your you're like lake and turn on I I didn't ask this very good question asking I I didn't ask but when I was using the phone to do activate that you had to give it a good solid tap like repeated tap yeah but keep in mind that I think all nokia phones including this 928 they come they ship in non high sensitivity mode so the 925 might just have been in the default mode which you know doesn't detect it isn't glove mode so we'll see uh the other thing oh one other thing about the 925 I'll just read this into a nokia podcast I don't know I don't want to talk about anything else one of the thing that that is interesting with a 925 you know both the 920 of the 928 are are really trumpeted as imaging phones with really good cameras like I said that the PureView branding and the 920 of course has xenon flash which is a pretty rare feature but turns out the 925 actually has the better camera because it has a it has a sixth element lens lens yeah whereas the nine 29-28 have five elements yeah which again just says nokia has the same old story going on lots of little hardware additions and good things it's just a software never catches up right but but since you're talking about how things look let's quickly switch over to LG which just announced a nexus 4 in white yea it's going on by early tomorrow but only in Hong Kong and then become a weeks for the rest of the world it is actually pretty sexy pretty good this thing leak like back in January right yes something like a long time ago it would have been relevant before I oh now I could not possibly care less like seriously like who who's gonna buy this over a google edition one or gs4 let's be real right well I don't know have we talked about the rumors at the I mean they they were it was first on a geek calm and then cnet has confirmed that the one is also going to get a google edition stock device in addition to this for yeah I don't care about the white Nexus 4 at this point at all yeah I want to i would have three months ago but not now even then i don't know i don't think it looks like great i'm a sucker for white phones and i really am NOT fan I haven't seen this in person yet so you know reserve final judgement but from the pictures I've seen a bunch of people have gone hands-on with them and things like that that I around the web and you know yeah I know I saw it I Oh Taylor Taylor Wimberly from android me had it and I took a look at it and it you know it's a white Nexus 4 yo it's got like the the the plastic rail around the edges is kind of I don't know like pearlescent it's got a little bit of depth to it and then you know it's got a pattern back and it's it's a white Nexus 4 we really should not be ever having to use the word pearlescent when describing foulness particular phones the men are expected to use and this is just a specialist playa del G yeah i mean i don'ti assassin getting gifts Marlenus yeah I mean it's too bad but I take I take issue with your sexist comment i will say that i am in the in the process of ordering a pink casio g-shock to add to my might watch collection and and i am not the least bit insecure about it and you should not feel insecure about using a pearlescent phone not now not ever I'm putting my foot down didn't out he make some great pearlescent paint finishes like pearlescent white I believe they did yeah yeah for sure but nice Jeep okay sorry but my sister just cheap yeah I'm not arguing yeah yeah I'm not gonna buy one that's for sure look so go ahead dieter I'm sorry I wasn't say so real talk we have got rumors that we feel pretty confident about of the HTC One coming in stock and we've got the galaxy s4 coming in stock for sure it was announced at i/o um what are you guys gonna do we saw her last week dieter you are a terrible human being and i'll tell you why why because I I was one hundred percent convinced that I wanted the one and then you were like well no the weight and then you listen off like 10 really good reasons why why it's the decision is not clear-cut and now I don't know what no we definitely talked about this last week because I I mentioned I was putting my one up on eBay I mean all right look if if the one has the same ultrapixel camera module in the stock I doubt that the stock camera software can do what it needs to do to take a great picture relative to what HTC's Sense imagemagick chip blah blah can do and you know battery life just isn't that great so I'm leaning us for right now I'd also really love to know how they handle the button issue with stock Android do they do the menu button on screen do they repurpose one of the capacitive buttons do they turn on the HTC logo which happens the for all intents purposes has a capacitive panel below it you know how is that going to be sorted out these are all really good questions and also like on the gs4 is the is the eye tracking sensor just can be completely disabled like you know it's install the hardware that is that a special sensor on the forum yeah we're gonna say I thought that was just using the camera camera ya know there's there's if you look at the front of the gs4 there's an additional sensor that isn't present on the gs3 that is hype the life in your eyes like this he wouldn't be able to use it yeah it automatically calls 911 if it detects that you're dead no no I tracking for Dracula sorry there is it's either the the extra sensor we could get this answer for from Samsung graciously but the extra sensors I either eye tracking or it's a it's a sensor for like the hand wave which is also possible but they're doing something maybe it's a 3d thing like a kinect type of thing but they're doing something more than just using the front camera for that stuff speaking of extra senses is anybody yet figured out a way a useful way to exploit the barometer in the galaxy s4 uh yeah there's actually this weather app hang on let me win against all don't see I got to talk about webos Chris got to talk about fast and furious dan is now secure apps Vlad you'd only need to take like 20 minutes about some personal versus there's this weather app called weather signal which is like a really um it's a crowdsource weather app that takes the sensors on your phone and determines your current weather conditions based on temperature barometer whatever sensors your phone has it can access them and then it kind of crowdsources them so if a lot of people use it they gather the data and then they can give a weather report for a certain area so yes that's one way to use the barometer on your Galaxy s4 ok do you think what this just brings back to Dita's question earlier where he was saying what are you guys going to do between the gs4 and the one my answer would be one of two mean one might be I'm not going to be buying an android phone is one right or alternatively if forced into it I will buy first which also has stock Android it's like a little boy boy yeah but you can't do that in the UK right now yes but I can't do it in the UK because HTC is determined to complete the suicide mission that it's on right now just decided no we have made this phone which people have been begging for for so long and I we're just not gonna sell it in the UK for I mean apparent eats books phone but honestly I mean here's the thing with HTC David bundling a lot of things and I know it's really easy to bash young people when they're down but let's just remember when the HTC One was introduced and how they tried to do two simultaneous launch events and how the New York HTC One presentation where we had people was about 20 minutes ahead of the London one and we were trying to live blog this in some sort of coordinated fashion it's like this guy is talking about the ultrapixel camera and then this guy is talking about the aluminum finish and yada yada yada it was a mess and and it seems like these things just bubble up to the surface and then combine to make things miserable for companies i think it's like a compound issue but i was already driving at haiti on HTC here i just feel like android phones in general need to give me something more compelling because of the moment i agree with the sentiment a lot of people who express actually which is that android is an OS is probably the best of us but the apps as soon as polished as iOS and a great example for myself was the british airways app right so on iOS it works it's a decent it's an easy application it's a you know its corporate piece of work it's as good as you get from a big company it's fine but on Android it just feels like a clean up the garbage it feels like a web browser from 1997 if you're on I I flew virgin america recently for ctia virtual America doesn't even have an Android app and they're the way they handle with iOS is you can check in on their mobile website and then you click a button to send a passbook and boom you're your mobile boarding pass is sent to your passbook and you don't ever have to load the mobile website again right and people like easyJet's and Qantas recently got involved with passbook so it's not that completely deprived as usual but it's just you know I kind of feel like I want to say we're stagnating in terms of software but the development and the progress isn't as fast as it used to be I think we can definitely say that and just justice core nice and quick segue here we can talk about the next iOS which is supposedly a massive redesign flat we've been hearing this flat thing forever and ever now we've got a new report that he's going to get rid of heavy textures for a flat black and white design has coordinated 925 I mean at this point if we don't see it seems to me like like up you know last year with iOS 6 they all they had time for was maps this year we know they can't do everything so like I want to see a redesign of the core launching experience the core apps and some improvements Notification Center and that's that's enough if they do that for iOS 7 i'll be very happy I'm not expecting I'm not but but that you make it sound like a small you may you make that some all deal and it like what you just described is like basically completely flipping the platform on its end and I get you know I mean apples the big company and I I don't know but I'm not saying that I need to like redesign their they're like standard button stuff that all the developers use and get for free right like I'm I'm saying just you know take take half of your core apps and clean them up and especially game setting yeah well right and like that fine cool that's enough not well I mean it is the this also a suggestion that it's going to be moving to a more black and white color scheme which brings to mind the prada phone that LG did for God to so monochromatic and stylish it is I that I don't know that that's necessarily a good thing I mean I liked it personally I like the quadratic look but I'm with you DJ I think if I was improves just to the point where Notification Center in game centers thought to become things that people actually use as opposed to I try and tap something at the top of an application and then suddenly drop down Notification Center you reminded oh this wing exists ah it's that's the utility of it on an iphone at the moment if I broken just an escrow says that's not an easy task but if I can just get those basics up to speed and you know feeding truly modern again it's going to be kind of an easy choice again some assuming this summer is when the next iPhone comes up don't you think i could see fall I mean I we're assuming it'll be a 5s you know it'll be some sort of minor bump on the fives basic design so I guess summer is totally feasible but man wwc is coming up fast we're like two weeks away right yeah a week and a half for just under two weeks oh yeah I'm not ready at all we're gonna see I what I'm not ready for financially is for them to show a retina MacBook Air I am NOT my wallet is not ready for that I pretty sure that will put half the verge stuff in the poor house like instantaneously I think the current rumors out of that analysts that's always right is that they're good probably not going to go retina on the macbook air I'm just hoping for haswell the new processor awareness again I was talking I was yeah well but I'm hoping that they was talking to shot about this about like the possibilities and like they could go for speed and come up battery life they could go for retina and not care about battery life or they could like go just like we've got this new processor to Bruce battery life here the new here the new macbook airs that's the one I want so yeah I'm really not unhappy with my macbook airs performance I have a 2012 model I really have no issues as far as you know it does the things I needed to do it even runs photoshop and lightroom without really any issues it's plenty fast for me so if they could just you know double my battery life that would be a complete with that's all just double a batteries yeah it's nothing deal no big deal because right now i get free showing two and five hours which kind of sucks see guys when i was talking about the psychological effects of watching fast & furious 6 here it is now like your expectations are so perfectly reasonable just dab a better life take iOS and just make everything better right tick tick yeah we're done so yeah make it so it's easy actually I'm to date this point there is a very good way that you can do this the differentiates between the end pro models of the macbook which is to say okay you can get a macbook pro which is really thin and all those good things that has a Retina display and power but can get a macbook air which is the most amazing better life you know so you can differentiate on the basis of the as battery life yeah but I was actually thinking about this the flat just the way that Windows 8 has become kind of a hybrid device OS nowadays so nobody really sells laptops just laptops any whatever these cells just tablets everybody's trying to do a tablet with a keyboard and sliding thing and a flipping thing and at something and I thought well I've always the one company that isn't doing this like the particular hybrid device doesn't exist in Apple's portfolio it has laptops clearly delineated from the iPads but then I thought about it and I realized that when you go out and see people using devices they aren't surfaces I mean I always get confused I see something and I think Oh somebody's using actually using the surface tablet and it turns out to be an ipad with third by Keebler right and another thing that void in apple's portfolio is being filled by third parties people you know is she not the accessories somehow that and I wonder I don't have the statistics on this but I really wonder if the third-party keyboard manufacturers that make the keyboards for iPads have sold more units than Microsoft has sold at the surface I would guess your question I wonder what the numbers are like it's good bad man we were just burning through topics um we're very efficient this okay you know one more thing and then maybe we can wrap up and I know that somebody probably dan wants to go on a screaming rampage about this let's talk about this administrative fee that ATT is Adam somebody explained this to me uh sure I'll take a stab so AT&T announced or it became it became news or became known that 18t was adding this 61 sent I believe it is a fee to their monthly bills for every single user on every line that they have start I think it started in May first so so every month from here on out if you have a line with ATT or more than one line you have to pay another sixty one cent per line fee on top of your rate plan and on top of your regular taxes and government surcharges and all that stuff so 61 cents it's like okay whatever it's like 78 it's eight bucks a year I'm like mad at the point okay yeah get me worked up enough so it's someone please go for it Chris cuz you look like you're about to look look okay the point is that a carrier I mean I take the take the number out of the equation the issues that a carrier has arbitrarily chosen without you know invalidating etfs without really anything just arbitrarily decided okay we're going to charge all of our customers another 61 cents a month and also there wasn't a like oh you can this is this is one of those things where we change your contract and there's a backdoor way I'll get out of your early termination right right then it doesn't apply here from my understanding because this does not change your your advertised monthly rate plan which say is like thirty nine ninety-nine a month because it's a fee that's added after the fact it does not materially adversely or adversely change that to a material thing whatever the wording is that lets you get out of your project without an ETF does not apply here um so it's not one of those things where you can get on the horn with customer service for six hours to try and get out of your contract if you're looking to leave ATT if FTC was doing his job they would say no ATT you are not selling a 59 99 rate plan your cell you're selling a sixty dollars and sixty cents rate plan like yes that's what should be on the sign like I don't understand why this is okay no wait by the way we shouldn't single out 18 right here yeah that's what other carriers have been doing this for years it's just it's been brought to light because ATT just add this it's it's it just before DITA bursts out laughing at whatever he's looking at know I was sneezing I was sneezing oh he's in your hand you sneeze in your sleeve it's more sanitary he could oh that's a thing I believe I'm with you dieter dieter just heads up your hands are washable so it's my sweater hi okay no I mean I was outraged about this from across the ocean about the 18th ministry taffy I mean I just thought it was completely arbitrary and random and annoying but Chris's point is a very good one you guys have already signed the contract you agreed a deal you've set out the terms of that and now AT&T is just completely I mean it's subtly changing it it's changing it by sense I guess part of the consolation to you when dining you are the kind of telling AT&T yeah go ahead and change it whenever we don't care so that the thing is like you know we said it don't forget about the dollar sign because it's the principle but when you think about the dollars it's very minimal right now for a person with one or two lines if you have five lines it starts to becoming a noticeable cost maybe but it is adding a significant amount to a tease bottom line at the end of the year I think it's between 500 and 600 or even more million dollars a year that ATT can bring it and then the other concern is if they're able to add this fee without really any recourse without you know letting people get out of their contract or without having a huge backlash or without a complaint from the government who's to say that next time they're like oh these administrative costs have gone up to five dollars per line per month or they've gone up to ten dollars per line per month and now you guys a significant change in your monthly costs and you know it's there if this sets the precedent where it doesn't matter who's to say that doesn't happen then that that's not I mean I am to say I'm telling right now it's not going to happen well you know the apocryphal tale about how you stick a frog in cold water and gently warm it up and you won't jump out right I think people actually done the research and found that if you gently warm it up the Frog eventually realizes boiling and leap out but besides that that's exactly what these carriers in what these corporations with too much power and this is important thing if there was competition wouldn't be having this conversation right because if 18 teachers decides will be more expensive it automatically makes itself less competitive and the next round of people upgrading is just going to see them lose customers so ultimately ATT shooting yourself in the foot but being a duopoly with verizon is like here I go with these douchebags over with those douchebags so it's like you're stuck it's it's interesting you don't talk about verizon because verizon has an administrative fee as well I believe it's 99 cents per line per month for verizon but they've had it for a long time so we're not talking about that i'm just adding it but what they did try to do recently uh within the past year is add a two dollar per month fee if you tried to pay your phone with a credit card um which they added and then quickly retracted when you know everyone through a stink about it so you know if enough people are going to complain about it you know it eventually becomes bad enough press where it's not worth the 61 cents per month um but you know it I don't I don't know if we're quite at that point for me that's I don't think I don't think we should we being the American people which I'm joining in with in a case of international solidarity right now and the thing that people should have to organize themselves in bunches and millions in you know occupy AT&T just to get 61 you're totally they're morally right and that's the Christmas point earlier because if the FTC was doing its job then we wouldn't have to but you know she seems like these companies can just roll over or steamroll over and do whatever they want without really any recourse from the FTC say I mean no that's jiz lee anti-consumer the rate yeah exactly and the really annoying thing about it is that this massively unequal bargaining power as I say as somebody who wants to have reliable connectivity and wants to have a LTE universe to have the latest forms and all that stuff you really stuck with just a couple of choices where ATT is the company that gives you terms and conditions they've got their own on to like a dozen pages and things like that so when the bargaining power is so an equal you can't let the person or the party that is in the ascendancy in that relationship just spring some extra costs into it and particularly when all of us know that ATT and Verizon have been rolling in profits and raising their arpu average revenue per user up regularly so it's not like these guys are struggling it's not likely going Boston we need to help them out and how about the American economy in that way no not not in the least here it's interesting to see that the only options that you have if you want these things of like reliable service and LTE and things like that are really for most people ATT and Verizon because when 18 teams trying to buy t-mobile one of its main arguments was that we're not a do it's not going to be a duopoly because most markets have you know five different carriers available to the consumer but in reality and in practical terms they don't because those three other carriers either don't have the same level service don't have the same speed of service don't have coverage don't have you know current generation 4G wireless networks um so yeah you are stuck between for most people you are stuck between the two largest carriers in the country here's how this is going to play out like five or seven or ten years down the road you're going to get a little postcard in the mail that says congratulations you're part of a class action lawsuit and and the class action will win and your prize will be a like a calling card with five minutes I like it that's how this is gonna play out meanwhile you're still paying 61 cents per line per month for the end of time right great the this is really depressing I'm gonna hand the moma shopping I know the depressing is if you're stuck in some like two year long contract me like a pre three or whatever and then they spring this on you and you're like why does the world hate me wait are is there such thing as somebody on a two-year contract with the pre three right now yeah well uh it never retailed at 88 Jimmy sold in Germany I don't know if they'd ever sold on contract it must they're definitely still human beings with pre Tucson contract I bet oh yeah oh that's said ma'am well guys ready chipper thank you very much for watching the original show apologies for the technical difficulties at the beginning if you follow with you from her if you want to follow us on twitter you can and should i am back lawn Vlad is Vlad Saba dan is DC seifert with Annie I Chris's Zed power we are all at verge and you can leave a 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