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greetings mobile accomplishes welcome to the verge mobile show this is episode number 49 the week of june third 2013 I am dieter bohn i'm dan seifert and i'm chris ziegler and we are sans Vlad today because he is covering computex Ollie massive crazy computer action going on out there and so we're gonna we're going to struggle on just on our own but we've got plenty of stuff to talk about especially after the crazy exciting things that happened over at the d11 conference which Neal I covered went over to see we talked at all things D I a zoom well I just want you um you know I I don't want to dwell dwell on it too much but I just want to bring up one fast and furious related things it wouldn't be it wouldn't be a proper VMS a1 a1 well you know I didn't record a fast cast this weekend so I'm a little pent up I have some stuff I need to get off my chest yeah that's if you're a little pent up about fast and furious I don't know if getting it off your chest is the right metaphor to go with be that as it may just just just dump all your thoughts right out on us just uh it's really disturbing furious 6 enjoyed its second weekend at number one at the box office beating out everybody including surprise number two now you see me which was not expected to do that well I don't believe so we I want it to be good but I know it's not I know it's this worst yeah yeah the trailer makes it look amazing but that's true pretty much every movie what you think the trailer makes it look amazing the trailer is all I'm working off of here for for for now you see me you mean yeah yeah yeah yeah i think the trailer makes it look really good I think that you're insane but I've learned that apparently I hate everything and I'm not happy with anything and mean today so uh you know that's because that dieter learned this today and yet we've known this for years and years and years this is not a revelation and so uh to bring us back on track d 11 uh I honestly did not expect this much mobile news to come out of this d 11 conference right oh they do have a they do have this whole separate mobile right exactly they have a mobile-focused show I don't think there was this much mobile news to come out of that as there were out of all things des mean well yeah but let's let's be real like no one is under the illusion that d 11 isn't the flagship show ran mobile is still the most important thing in technology so if a company has big mobile news they're going to save it and they're invited to d 11 they're going to save it for d 11 not not do it at at dive into mobile i suppose but also these companies at the same time would rather do their own event to announce may journal news right yeah that is i do have to give a Wall Street Journal and all things be a lot of credit for being able to get that much news out of a out of a brand conference because you're right you know um a lot of things that weren't as the show probably could have been held for events but then again the the well we'll talk about the Eagles you talk about you know I want to talk let's just talk about motorola because it was the biggest thing but it wasn't a full unveil it was a tease right and it's yeah the Moto X phone it's coming this summer and it's going to be made in the US and I just want right now right here I believe that this came from who is somebody somebody is reordering stuff as I'm trying to click on it in our little show notes document and I believe these are lovely producer Evan and you're the best man but please God it was me I know is you Dan or a venir the best dance the worst Dennis Woodside would blame at in any book anyway always blame Evan he's texting me right Isaac what are you talking about shut up always blame the guy he's off camera kit defendant some bozo okay this I believe came from Benny factor on Twitter who tweeted it to Casey Newton at the verge that it's the Moto X phone is what it's going to be called but uh from now until the end of time we're going to refer to it as the motocross yeah I approve of this because it's the best thing ever yeah otherwise it's that or it's motox which also is acceptable okay so here's what we know it's coming out this summer it's going to be assembled in the u.s. many of the components but not all will be made in the US as well it is quote we know it's in your pocket we know when it's in your hand we know when you want to take a picture and fire up the cameras it'll know when you're in a car and it will promote different interactions so basically what they are they're basically going to like having two different things depending on like the you know position to the phone the choices this means so here's my prediction I think that this means close to nothing because no gorilla unbeknownst to be fair I mean it's really reasonable that nobody in the world knows this but Motorola has been doing this for years since the introduction of the original well the original new razor they had these smart i think they're called motorola smart action yeah or something right where they're basically situationally aware of things the phone does that can do with you have to do with like your calendar with email with like power state based on location or time of day or like what the phone is doing what is not doing and it's you know I mean locale which is a pretty well-known android app has been doing this literally since android one point one point zero yeah well it was one of the very first apps available for android so this is I think that what they're promoting is this revolutionary technology is in fact going to be very evolutionary yes there might be a couple additional sensors in this phone well if they've there are couple additional sensors than gs4 too yeah if they make it easier to configure and not like like when I when I did it used a I forget what I had they might have been a razor that had like these you know pre-configured Smart Actions I was very unhappy with them and I was like you know I know it's not how I want it to work and then I went to like reconfigure it and it just looked like a confusing mess and I didn't have the time to set it up but I know people who do take the time to set these things up love them so they can just make it a little bit more intuitive and easier to set up some like common situations that you might actually care about I'm super into that idea and I I mean presumably it's gonna be something close to stock and least in terms of his look and feel but probably not exactly because they are separate from whether they're owned by Google but they are treated just like anybody else so they say well I think that was brought out by the fact that you had even at d11 you had motorola CEO speaking on a separate day than yahoo ghouls head down drew so they weren't even like talking to each other or presenting together or anything of that sort right and by the way I think I think one of the main reasons this is a completely different story but I think that one of the main reasons they're doing that is so that it's very very easy to spin off or dispose of that business if like it you know they're they're keeping the touch points as few and far between as possible so that they can just say okay we're spinning off motorola and then like literally a day later it's it's own company right look guys we just we just want to be friends because when this goes sour we really don't want emotions to be hurt that's right wasn't there some rumor about there being like or did he talk about like an extra processor or something or was out in a different context I thought I read something about their like being a second processor and that would really help a battery life because it would be able to handle oh great stuff I can't remember well I mean today's mobile processors most of them have some sort of low-power processor with the right I know high score and media actually get David Pierce on here yeah yeah Danny norm for life yeah he is a companion court of the verge mobile show that's right um I just did that yeah if you're only listening to the audio you missed something terrible and you're welcome so basically sometime later this summer we are going to have just an embarrassment of Android riches available to us we'll have whatever Motorola's got at some point in the summer hopefully sooner rather than later because they're going to want to get this out before june twenty which is zero day for finally getting the galaxy s4 Nexus edition stock edition google edition we still don't know what these are called do we I think it's officially google edition or something is it I don't know you do see the acronym GE floating around a lot when you see these phones which is super confusing speaking as someone who used to work for GE but but yeah I I don't know if I agree I mean did I I don't think I'll say two things 1i will have absolutely no I got this embarrassment of riches we also now we learned at the 11 officially we're gonna have the HTC One stock edition right which is great news so I don't three phones don't like each HTC calls this the HTC HTC One with Nexus user experience Wow such as a mouthful um so I'm gonna review that nu e and just called HTC one knew you were merely with with an umlaut on the right yes I don't think there's any chance that the Moto X will be at retail bye-bye jun 26 yeah but secondly i don't think that it matters at all because i think that in reality as much as we would like to will it into relevance the odds of these google edition phones actually mattering to the populace are hovering near zero they'll matter to people like us them they'll Mabel they'll certainly matter to our listeners but are they going to matter to Joe consumer will they matter to verizon like that's that's number one because Motorola's beholding a verizon well they're claiming this is going to be available for everybody like they're there they're clearly planning some kind of big push right there touting up the American this americano no sorry and no sorry i meant the google edition phones oh right i think those aren't very relevant yeah the Moto X I think could be a very relevant phone this year I see your point Chris but I think that those google edition phones are relevant to a significantly influential set of people and those are the early adopters the people that want to have the best phone that they can get as soon as they can get it are going to generally want the google edition or least they've been clamoring or seems like they've been clamoring maybe in the Sacko chamber for so long to have these things uh and then you know the you know when your mom goes to rename her phone in November when her contracts up she's not looking for the google edition she's looking for the one that's on the shelf in the store yeah um but you know there is that very vocal very loud pretty influential subset of early adopters I think we'll probably be all over the Google editions I know that before the HTC one was made official there had been you know quite a bit of talk about of rumors and things like that and one rumor said that there's only going to be 50,000 available around the world initially and a small oh it could be enough it could be pretty small you know the one that the developer edition has been pretty much on backorder since it launched dieter was able no I came back in it came back in last week and I know that because I tried to sell mine on eBay and it didn't because the developer regardless in my stock levels regardless of stock levels of the gs4 and the one stock editions I can guarantee you that there will be major problems with the ordering process on day one so be prepared for a full day of swearing at your computer because that's exactly what's gonna happen man google couldn't sell gumballs if i tried like if you if they had a gumball machine on campus you'd put a quarter in and it would just jam and you a what's good end up happening it's like at the end of the day you'll be like did I order to did I order none did I order one like I you won't really know it'll be unclear and then like a week later you'll get a vague email that's like your your phone is in process and then like six weeks later was no no no no there's nothing with the white Nexus 4 you get that without too much people today like they sent out a message saying their orders are broken but there's i think i think google actually said that that was that was an error and he has no real issue but this is how i guess there is the issue is that they get yeah that's the issue but this happens converter because this is a demo with the nexus 4 you're going to refresh the store a million times hoping to see it in stock you're going to add it to your cart you're going to think that it went through but you're not going to get a confirmation email and then like four days later you're going to get a confirmation email saying they've accepted your order and then about 10 minutes after you get that email there'll be a phone on your door stop man I I got a flyaway hair here that's driving me crazy I'm really sorry about this and that my thing is mirrored anyway so let's talk about these this the way that they're doing this nexus thing because we've been waiting for like basically literally since what the nexus one for us to come back to a world where top shelf Android hardware the latest and greatest was available with stock Android and we've been just complaining and bitching and moaning and now it's here and it's pretty great like I posted my big angry rant about boot loaders and now we've got developer editions that you can buy so I mean my since I'd already been established that I can complain about anything I will say that I find it interesting and maybe a little bit troubling that rather than just like posting up roms and giving you know developers instructions for taking the retail edition and make turning it into something stock they're making you buy a separate stock one or a separate developer one yeah but I know exactly why that is oh yes carriers don't want to accuse or Google doesn't want to be accused by carriers of theft to subsidy right well and carriers don't want to support something they don't want to have two different they don't want to have a triage we're like you call in and then you have to like explain that you put the stock rom on instead of the other thing like that's the other reason that they say they lock bootloaders so you don't put custom roms on is they don't want to deal with the customer support for it but I mean that quibble aside and presumably like that quibble is going to get taken care of because the roms from these stock editions are gonna get dumped and they're gonna be made available and we're going to be able to use them on the carrier retail editions at least the AT&T ones which is I believe for HTC it's the AT&T like model and I'm pretty sure the samsung one is also going to be that same build I say well this as far as the hardware is concerned I think the samsung one supports both AT&T right right so the samsung one is qualcomm yeah but there's there some band thing with the HTC i can't remember exactly what they it's it's that is that it doesn't support hspa+ right that's right or no no again I think it's it's not even that is that it doesn't support DC hspa+ on tmobile wow I think okay or as t mobile calls hspa+ 42 somebody right correct us if we're wrong on that but I mean what do you guys think that we now live in a world where we will and less than a month will live in a world where we can just instead of complaining about having to get skins from carriers and do what that we could just go to google and buy the phone that is hot and new and has stock Android on yeah I think that's growing I'm excited I think it's great the only thing is that if you're an AT&T customer you get doubly screwed because you're still paying a subsidy that you're not really been writing for all right so but at least you don't have to be under contract that's the one silver lining right I guess it's like AT&T should be like head over heels for people about these things because it doesn't have to pay a subsidy out on a phone and yet it still rakes in the same amount but of course I mean but I keep hearing that I keep hearing people saying uh you know why would AT&T carriers here you're not taking the subsidy and then like you know you're still paying full price for the plan but the fact remains that AT&T derives some sick pleasure out of locking you into a crappy last gen firmware filled to the brim with bizarre crap we're like it i think it was it's not sick pleasure its i'll tell you it's it's cash money really yeah well that's exactly right money is the root of all evil around the time of the gs3 18t started doing this I can't remember what it's called but like you the minute you turn on the phone the first time it starts doing something and then like throws Ian like this address books inc thing and it's like it does that on the one yes god i also have their online setup thing to yes also terrible yes and you just know that all of these things are a consuming storage and ram be slowing the phone down and is just it it's such a nightmare so so AT&T loses out on the ability to control your experience on the phone when you buy these stock devices I can guarantee you that Ralph de la Vega is losing sleep over these well he's not losing sleep but he's really he is less than happy that the phones exist I'm just I'm just picturing relative de la Vega at home sharing Russians nigga in front of in front of the mirror be like these next two solutions oh yeah I was picturing him sleeping peacefully with a feather you know with a pillow full of cash yeah Ralph if you're listening we love you yes we should talk a little bit more about the Moto X though because the I I don't want to downplay the significance of the fact that this is being built in the US what I was saying on Twitter and I believe this is true that Google is going to end up building this this Empire of american-made products over you know if they keep going at this pace um what hits well exactly two years but but the the Moto X is without question the most significant so product in that vein right so yeah here's my thought on it though and I think this applies just as much to the Nexus Q the the Moto X is being built in this Texas facility that was once owned by Nokia the output of that facility cannot be that great it can't possibly be as big as some of the major manufacturers are in Asia so you know they only expect to make so many of them they obviously don't expect it to have the same demand as you might have for a mainstream product that gets cranked out by the dozens and that's exactly what you know the approach was with the Nexus Q and I don't mean i think it's it's great to say that you know you're you're making this in america and you're trying to bring the manufacturing back to the US and maybe this is just like the first steps to that but i don't think that this is the major shift you can't compare the cue to the moto x I mean if if Google and Motorola are seriously planning for output on the same order of magnitude between the Q and the X then then there's something fundamentally wrong with that company I mean the Q was even before it got next the queue was billed as like this weird quirky experiment that they were just calling right right but what I think the Moto X is I think the Moto X is a flagship device that's going to be that rarefied status and it's not going to be or Google is not expecting to sell it by the millions that you would expect more mainstream device to sell yeah I'm sure that's true i mean i think that it won't target an audience that's much different than the audience that the gs4 and the one are trying to target well I because of Moto's market position i agree with you they're not going to sell as well i'm positive right i mean i yeah i'm either for the gs4 is like the most mainstream phone that i can possibly think of it's the one that's your but it's also playing device right I might get right let's but its flagship in the same way that the iPhone 5 is fly ship and it's also like the world's most mainstream device so right you know yeah and I'm sure the motorola would love to be there but I mean fact is they have to start somewhere it's already a good sign that it looks like this thing will be coming to a variety of carriers because Motorola's had this weird situation going on for a few years now where they're kind of like holding to verizon but like they occasionally crap out a mid-range phone on another carrier well they talk about a more interesting device sometimes the well so he's rotational need your AT&T was more interesting but like you know we heard about it for a week reviews were okay and then you never heard of that again you're an average consumer and you walk into a store and you've heard about the galaxy and you pick it up and you hold it and you see what it feels like and then you see a motorola phone if they make a really good motorola phone that you know is it better or at least feels better than the gs4 like there might be enough brand equity there where they could they could pick up some traction in the u.s. right as long as it's not as don't like me and blocky and ugly as the razor series right because the razor series by all arguments are better built they're more reliable more horrible they've got the Kevlar and the nano coating and all that but they're ugly and chunky and thick and heavy and all that other stuff right so impressive on your first touch yeah the other the bit is like well as Chris was saying you know Motorola's been beholden to verizon they a lot of their sales every like their whole company has been basically riding on the droid series but they still need that verizon push I don't you know they've got google money but i don't know how much they've got for marketing on this thing and presumably they're not going to be able to match samsung splits right and so if Verizon decides to make it Verizon's hero device because they get to put some crap on it whatever that would be a relatively big help for motorola they still need that assist right and they're not going to get it from ATT 1880s my kind of proven that there aren't really concerned about pushing any other phones in the iphone and their sales reflected that yeah yeah we're Tywin HTC do we want to talk we've got yet another CEO or not let's talk about one before we get to that let's talk about one more device limitations HTC is that the one is actually finally coming to verizon oh yes right okay afraid at all things d was right it was right all along it's coming to verizon the summer it seems like it it's an about-face because we've heard statements kind of denying it I believe or at least like there Twitter account has kind of went off and said a couple things way back in the day but yeah so now HTC's got the one on all four major US carriers which is a win it's a little late and we don't know exactly when it's coming to verizon or like I Suzie priced competitively but to uh to HTC's credit even Samsung was not able to launch the verizon gs4 in sync with other carriers so I think rising is just an extraordinarily difficult carrier to launch a device on I have nothing else to say about the verizon HTC one other than yay I hope that I I hope that they they do a custom color scheme for it I would like to see mention this in my post I would like to see a black one with red trim well there was uh there were renders red HTC one Wow before I think they they leaked before it was announced that be that would be pretty that would be predict the black model if either of you guys played with the black one cuz i havent very briefly i have is it is it like an anodized serve yes yes it's very it's almost identical to what you get on the iphone 5 the black so so theoretically HTC should be able to anodize that phone any color it wants so yeah i mean a red one would be totally baller or or even or an orange one even i don't know where you got that idea orangi be great never been done before never thought of that though sorry about the cop a few the cops are coming to book DM well it wouldn't be the first time today there's been an arrest by by beater I I am our offices located very close to the Hall of Justice here in San Francisco so you're saying that the office is in the throat like there's like a radius around the office that is a very high crime area there's something about the presence of vox media in san Cisco that just attracts miscreants miss korea said man yeah yeah I blame you uh Matthew Costello chief operating officer I have to admit I can't remember this guy's name but he left HTC along with like half Thorat will not have a bunch of other executives chief product officer their agent CEO a bunch of people that we are familiar with in the US that were in the why I i would i would correct you asian CEO and CEO of Asia are different things HTC cuz AJ's CEO yes because their CEO is Asian it's true but all but that fabulous way to make me look like a racist Chris thanks a lot I just know that just clarifying the ambiguity because saying that their agent CEO left would imply the Peter Chao left and of course he is still at the helm of the company and right he very famously made a statement according to Wall Street I don't think this was ever made public but hurry The Wall Street Journal he wrote to the poured that if the one was not a commercial success he would step down and of course the one is out I think the jury is still way out on whether it's a commercial success well the the number that's been thrown out there is five million so about half with a hassle the side that's not official yeah I I think it's a believable yeah but but also five million a pretty damn good it is but uh is that is that shipped or sold yeah and and and Apple does that in a weekend yeah when it launches the new iphone we're just looking for enough money for the company to keep limping along man it's although therefore I mean well without knowing their profit margins I mean five million units of anything should you know keep a company limping along or flow right without knowing their profit margins it's hard to say it's just really upsetting to me and it you know I've said this before but it's very upsetting to me that a company can produce what is arguably the best phone or Hardware ever made and if if you don't agree with that then you you cannot argue that it's any lower than the second best first being iphone 5 I would argue it's the best but it's upsetting to me that a company can pull that off and still have its future in doubt as these departures certainly suggests it's it's it's very bothersome to me right it's irksome I would say well I think that just goes to show you know that this industry is not just based on hardware you know there's a lot more to go into it whether that's your software support or more importantly your marketing which is well and and and carrier relationships and carrier relationships right which which is it's funny that that is the is still such an important thing for these manufacturers because for a consumer perspective it may seem like the carrier relationships have become progressively less important as time goes on as we're seeing fewer and fewer customized devices and fewer and fewer you know verizon specific devices and sprint specific devices and 18t specific devices more both the companies have all kind of moved into offering the same device across all the carriers that they can get it but those carrier relationships behind the door still so vitally important to the success of the companies that are manufacturing the devices right meanwhile you know who we like practically never talked about and is not really an eminent financial danger is LG I like hey you're just as long as you can make blast chillers and you can continue to sell black settlers you can continue to subsidize your mobile phone of it I would love a blast chiller in my fridge that sounds like a nice feature ever that is fascinating cans of beer does a blast chiller cool and how long does it take what I wasn't I wasn't out there it was a CES 2012 right where they were like demoing it during their three-hour press conference and I want to say they chilled it in like a minute but I can't remember exactly it's amazing I need that feature in my life um yeah yeah I just played for the first time with the optimus g pro at ctia yeah would you think of it I actually look I I liked it but I couldn't help shake the feeling that it was literally a galaxy note 2 like I'm you know that the display is gorgeous LG of course makes great displays but that's not that's becoming less of a selling point I think because practically every phone has a gorgeous display now and apart from that yet to do is galaxy note 2 has a flip cover it's an 02 without the stylus yeah it has it has the act it has an active flip cover as well as charging which I guess the galaxy note 2 dozen right so that's a differentiator but apart from that I guess it comes down to software you prefer the you know the TouchWiz experience or do you prefer the LG experience this loyalty experience have a name at well actually Samsung doesn't call much publish measures anymore yeah yeah they just called Samsung I mean the nature UX I think they even didn't even say that during the galaxy s4 announcement that was a human for the galaxy s3 but they didn't mention nature UX at all during galaxy s4 yeah HTC is the only one that's really still pushing hard with branding for their experience so I mean back to the the optimus g pro yeah i was with Chris when we were checking it out and it seems like everything chris said it just seems like a second step like it's a it's just a following step to the note to which has been on the market since fall so it's like right the screen is upgraded comparatively ah but you know it just feels like and if you close your eyes or if you cover up the LG logos you'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference right I will say that the the g2x was one of the worst phones I've ever owned for a variety of reasons and its really let such high hopes for that phone though I remember I did I remember looks like you're talking about that phone I did well who'd you desperately didn't have high hopes for that android 2.1 dual-core processor and was it qhd display yet or was it still wvga I can't remember I don't know but the display sucked i remember that much yeah it was a really terrible display and and i remember that there were uh the froyo upgrade for it got delayed for like months and months and months and i got i somehow got an early build of it and i installed it on my my g2x and it worked fine but the official release was literally like delay like a year it didn't come out for like a year after when it was supposed to or something insane like that and it was by then phone is completely relevant but yeah the construction the quality construction materials were just not that great and I don't know I mean I i'll be very upfront i have not spent enough time with LG phone in the past couple years to know whether that situation has improved much oh that's as for is pretty well bill yeah but the next yes but i don't i mean there there's obviously Google influence on those products well I don't know the nexus 4 is just a modified version of the optimus G which is has the dual the same two layers of glass and whatever that's fair yeah i'll give you that I but I mean a spending time with the pro I mean it did not feel like it was in the same league build quality wise as the nexus 4 so actually you bring up to g2x and the delays in the software update i we can just sort of wrap up this whole android discussion because the last thing to say about these these nexus editions of the wall and the s4 is google promises they're going to get timely updates with the latest version of Android but I don't think it's a hundred percent clear if these updates are going to be going straight from google servers to the phone or if the builds get maintained by Samsung and HTC respectively I believe it's probably Samsung and HTC so even though they don't have to wait for the carrier stuff I suspect that a true Nexus device would still get billed before these other devices or at least like if they if they do push them all out at the same time they might be just because they waited like I don't know for sure but I'm it's not as safe a bet as a Nexus device write a proper nexus 4 it's still I think a safe bet but like ninety percent of say hey I think I gotta sleep easy I got the same impression as you dieter and I think it has to come down to the various hardware differences between the devices the hcc has a unique camera it's got unique audio system Samsung has got extra sensors on it and all this other stuff that would eventually have to be supported by these stock build of android so that's I mean Google's going to either you know take total ownership of these devices which I don't think so or it'll work with the manufacturers and that could put a delay on things yeah yeah episode I mean uh thing that happened at the 11 is Tim Cook got interviewed and i gotta say like he didn't say much it moves back to them too I mean WWDC is coming up I that's trim cook I me a pelear airlie said something bombastic and her shattering at d I mean that you know there'll be some quotable moments but they you know I think that they've I saw on Twitter the only thing they've ever like an introduced at d was the airport express so coho I mean which by the way I used to love I used to love the airport express so much because it was a perfect thing to take into a hotel room cuz you could plug the hotel's Wi-Fi into that thing and make your own little Wi-Fi hotspot instead of using crappy hotel Wi-Fi and now it's amazing no no no most hotels are getting smart it used to be that you could connect up 30 devices to that hot spot in the hotel's be none the wiser but now they've figured out a way to like see through those hot spots to connect up to the ethernet and you end up having to pay for each individual device again at least the last three or four times I've tried it it's very annoying well that may be true but but even now that the airport express is still I'd say probably one of the best if not the best a way to like get airplay to a random room in your house if you have speakers that you want to plug it into like it's just really cost-effective way to do it and it's also a Wi-Fi repeater like it's a super rational device right but but that's a new study my aggression introduces d introduced to d yeah it Tim Cook did not say much I you know he hedged on virtually everything that he said he he had a quotable moment about glass if I remember correctly right uh he said that he believes wearables are interesting but Colette's not glass basically so there was a bit there and then he also the thing that that really perked my ears up is he made hints that they might open up the iphone a bit more and I'm sure it won't be the fully open platform that I'm dreaming of but his quote was on the general topic of opening up api's you'll see us open up more in the future but not to the degree where we put the customer at risk of having a bad experience so but I believe if i remember correctly this was a during the question and answer section with the the audience uh and the question itself was specifically mentioned how android has better input options with regards to ya wold would after him on keyboards actually yeah yeah and go and and this was his response to that which is which is very interesting to me um you know people have been saying for years that they want swipers or traceable types of keyboards on iOS because you can get them on android and they work great and everyone's happy with them but you're still stuck with each additional tap to type keyboard which admittedly iOS is very good uh it for that style of tattoo type keyboard but um you know even android stock with a a swype keyboard that works i love side yeah i mean i don't love the swype branded keyboard I love some of the other variations that like even the stock android 4.2 keyboard i think is great and i used the tracing feature all the time but it's very interesting that he did not flatly say no we're not going to do that well so i had heard this was before swipe was acquired by nuance a rep from the company had told me this is probably what twenty two thousand nine or something that they had been talking to Apple for a long long time an apple kept calling them back to cupertino to like just you know talk Turkey and so it's obviously been on Apple's mine for a long long time that they might need to look into doing something like this if one surprise me at all if this is one of I mean it's just it's it's a continuation of apples long-standing strategy with iOS updates where every major version has like one or two like oh my god yes I've been waiting forever for that feature kinds of catchers and it that could very well be one of them for iOS 7 yeah for sure that and of course the flatter design which is still percolating around the internet and so we're fully expecting that at WWDC and by the way by the way Walt Mossberg is almost certainly briefed on what Apple was doing and I in the next version of iOS well before anybody else in the industry so it would not surprise me if that question was placed open with with knowledge of what was going on I don't know and I about that I yes okay yes I I would I would I would bet a dollar on that I would put on a solid Washington on Walt Mossberg knowing of something happening in iOS 7 involving keyboards hmm ok what else make logical progression be recently what was it I was sick five that we got dictation finally whatever the iphone 4s launch you're about to be a dollar poor iowa survive so you know it took forever to get the voice dictation to text but there hey you might as well just kiss that dollar goodbye just take it out your wallet put it aside just don't spend it because you're gonna have to give it to me you should have been a real man and been a Bitcoin but hey I don't want to bet dieter like 150 boxes yeah here's the thing i'm gonna get you this dollar my gonna am I gonna pay the coif you transfer it yeah they'll take a fee out if I try and paypal to you if I mail it to you gotta pay for the stamp that's not gonna happen I gotta take one dollar what do i do all I you just gotta fly out or no you know what you can do uh you can say you can find you buy a plane ticket to come here and collect you somebody through gmail though it was announced at i/o you oh that's right all right that's right house money but I take a fee out I don't know I haven't looked into it I'll tell you what dieter I will take the hit on the fee you can just pay me a dollar and I'll get the 95 cents or whatever okay okay no way but no but see there's no way that I'm gonna pay out on this bed because the bet isn't that there's going to be keyboard stuff the bet is that Walt new and you can't prove that uh well I mean what are the odds that he's gonna bring up keyboards drink the 11 dude I would the keyboard on the iphone is a it's terrible like a very great it was amazing it was amazing so the rest but no were like they're like a billion other things to talk about like its iOS their billion other things to talk about you could talk about like the notification situation you could talk about like I know you could you could drill deeper I'm like the UI stuff you there are a million ways you could take a conversation that could have taken that conversation I mean I want to spend an hour asking questions about Game Center and why that still looks the way it does and will it be changed as spoiler alert dan nobody uses Game Center battery on my downloaded next the game center I never opened game center but there you go you're right you don't whatever yeah it's like watchin that would be like the ultimate troll for iOS 7 to come out with a completely like flat redesign that looks awesome and modern and yet they don't touch game center at all in games that is left as it is well that's I mean like I think of game centers like a conduit right like every game connects to it so that like you can you have leaderboards and achievements to whatever but no one actually goes into the game center app only when someone adds me and I need to like accept them or deny them right yeah yeah I never well no I never used game center I it for certain games will only communicate over game center and then it gets frustrating it's like oh I'd love to see this in android Oh wah wah they're tied into Game Center thanks Apple well Google's gonna do the same thing with its games platform right right exactly to the Android and whomp whomp yo open fainted you ultimate survivors I'm going to start a business and it's going to buy up old iphones and old android phones whatever the earliest version that still supports Game Center and whatever androids thing is that i can get the oldest cheapest phones and then i'm going to hook them all up to a server and then i'm gonna let these games communicate cross-platform between these two services so like you just you get to register your crappy iphone in the cloud and your crappy android phone the cloud and they talk to each other it's like Aereo for games Aereo for games you just blew my mind i know right you blew my mind yeah who's going to see you if you're really going to be area you need to be sued i'm pretty sure i would get sued by plenty of people with this plan s4 mini i love that a 4.3 inch display gets called mini now I know when you think about the galaxy s2 flagship was 4.3 inch but yeah the mini the mini as everybody expected is a complete joke because well I'm not know for now no you hang on oh poor boy three would be fine if it was 720p it's not it's qac oh really yes out of my face of the qhd man the worst exactly thank you and it's like pentile so it's cute a man i'm just getting to first again screw it but the first guy will be the only one with the first did you see that a facebook put sent out like a little like mailing like a how to tip for the first telling people how to turn off facebook home really this hilarious that couldn't have been done through an epic notification they had to like physically mail something no no it was like an email come on but but the the text of it was something like if you need a break from your friends or something just disable facebook home the wording was really funny yeah way they said yeah Wow but yes I mean so this mini is is yet more evidence that nobody in this industry can take a quote unquote small smartphone seriously they're they're treated as mid-range devices and that's that's a shame because they should be there should be small options with flake ships packs there's no excuse for it the only the last one I could think of that you know fit the smaller size and flagship specs was a HTC 8x and I had the 4.3 inch 720p display had the best processor that Windows Phone could get at the time uh and you know an advanced camera and all that other stuff so but you know as far as with androids concerned uh yeah I can't what was the last the 1s had a 4.3 inch display and that wasn't even really considered top of the line because it wasn't 720p so the that the droid incredible 4G LTE got a for Ashley was it was was it for it was four inch qhd and was also a super chubby and thick I thought him yeah 720 p % o the resound the HS amazon had a 4.38 720p display yeah and that was the first time 20 p yes in the u.s. yeah hey but yeah I mean for all and then as more statement isn't even coming to the u.s. does anybody care it's been rumored to come to AT&T I think okay been rumored as being on the road map whether that actually happens or not kudos I mean but we're with that even slot I mean like what are they going to put because they're still selling the gs3 so how are they going to price it as where are they going to position it samsung can't possibly be cranking out more GS threes right is it still manufacturing GS 3s you'd think that i think is that it would have transitioned to the gs4 or adventures I didn't know I I totally disagree s4 at all that's what I do you do what I keep making the s3 and I don't I don't even bother making this for many but the more the more factories it gets well yeah the s4 mini but I mean the more factories it gets working on the s4 the lower it can bring its cost of bill down and the threat can push its profit margins and then as the time goes on and it needs to drop the price of the phone because it's now eat what sold you know those profit margins are somewhat protected by the expanded manufacturing but I don't think that's the business model samsung is going for I think they're looking to slot right into apples business model which is we're going to solve the gs4 for a year at this price point or the very tail end will start to discount and underneath that we're going to slap the gs3 and there are still a couple carriers that are that are offering the GS to their budget carriers but they're still out there so i can guarantee if the gs3 isn't still being manufactured Samsung certainly built up a large enough stock so that they can supply for a long time to come is there a ton of carrier still offering it and they're not being like they're not like on clothes out there just like their phones are available for sale I think that's exactly what Samsung wats we're well we're the maybe they did the gs4 mini could be priced up 50 bucks on contract and it's quickly trying to free like the first I think the gs4 mini could be returned to sender and never heard from again that's what I think Kenan should happen to it um Samsung yeah do we want to time it so this this for that these new bands on verizon LTE in the s 4's we want them but there's a whole bunch of phones are going to support the new bands do you want is anybody care to nerd out on verizon LTE bands because i know but maybe you do because you're into it in a weird creepy fetishistic way well but I mean is to cs4 the case you what one else yeah there was one more oh then 928 I think yeah 928 q10 s4 and what's the deal with the with what are the bands here now a time opening up a new AWS verizon historically has just been on 704 for LTE and other they're moving to a dual band situation just like 80 I love it when you talk frequencies to me baby well it's funny that these are going to be on them all on the market long be for the AWS frequencies or even turned on yeah good for verizon uh man we've just got a bunch of like random stuff to talk about I guess we got a bunch of apps stuff um vine for Android yeah how can we not mention that yeah well I'm just did there it is apparently I haven't used yet but apparently it's like super buggy and slow is that you so so when you're using the buggies your life slow and also enables hackers to upload the entire eternity of which is me so for an average user the the performance within the app is fine like when you're scrolling through your feet and your what you're looking at other peoples finds they playback fine they play back fast I tested it on the one and my nexus 4 performance was great but when you're actually like shooting a vine and you complete it and you say like okay it takes like five times as long to process as it does on iOS so you're just like sitting there watching the bar like creek crawl along before you can share it and then you can't share it to Facebook yet you can't use the front-facing camera yet you can't search yet doesn't support hashtags yet I don't think he's sports mentions yet so it's kind of ways to go to keep up with iOS but the first step is I guess getting on Android so it's out yeah okay it made a lot of people really happy I didn't hear a lot of like people were complaining about the bugginess but I think that that was generally drowned out by by cheers from from the majority of the Android sphere lease on on Twitter as far as I could tell so the new google calendar and android it's fine it's got new Pickers i don't care it's like it's whatever like custom picker color Pickers do you like it maybe it's a hint at what we're going to see in the next version of android in terms of look and feel but beyond that i'm not at that interested the new gmail is kind of it's a little it's a little the new calendar i haven't played with new gmail yet but the new calendars a little google now ish right in terms of like yeah yeah cut it emphasizes cards when you're like changing the times and dates and things like that yeah right card type of fuel yeah but the new gmail is out for iOS it's rolling out for android if you're special it doesn't work on google apps accounts but it works on standard you know regular no totally totally works on Google Apps accounts no it works but you don't get the new tabs the new categorization I definitely have them Oh Miley yeah oh well then I am wrong oh yeah there is I could turn it on but I never will because the new tabs don't do it worst the worst so bad they ruin priority inbox so if you've gotten used to priority inbox and you're using priority box and you want to be like oh let me check out the new thing oh I don't like it can I go back no you can't go back to let me tell you what the real problem is like the tabs if you look at a tab and you see oh there's four unread emails and you go look at the next tab it doesn't show you those unread anymore it only shows you new ones as they come in and maybe there are people who like that but I am NOT one of them and it's not okay to like have to like check through my tabs to look for email again that's not cool at all so somebody then and and you pointed this out Dan apparently on the iOS f you don't get to turn on they added this thing where you can get notifications just for priority inbox which is like finally I can only get notifications popping down taking up half the damn screen on the iphone 4 actually important emails and I don't have to get it for every single PR blast and group message that comes into my inbox but no the only way that you get to check that box is if you switch over to the tab system is that right is that how it works yeah yeah yeah thanks a lot Google yeah so at somebody on Twitter said that it was like a fake inbox zero because because it like shuffles all of these other things into these tabs and then your your primary Inbox or whatever might be inbox zero but you've got you know 20 messages over there that you just don't know about but dieter is like the biggest fan of in the world of fake inbox zero like I have a mullet agencies he's told me stories about just archiving everything into these inbox and pretending like yes no email although I here's what I do I archive everything in my inbox into like a bespoke label that I make and then you know I do my work that I need to for that week because I know I'm not gonna be able address any of that email like I'm a damn at a conference I'm like you know what I just want to deal with this conference right now and then after the conference like I go back and deal with that stuff in that bespoke label sweet I'm a hero if I don't yeah yeah wasn't meant to be goes on you know the brain they'll pump it back into my inbox it's important yeah so that's a big fan of that method so the new web came out for iOS the main difference is that it's got the support for the custom labels and if you turn them on you get the priority inbox notifications blah blah but the Android app actually got a much more significant update at least in my opinion it's got ya support for these new labels it's got swiped down to refresh which is like a pseudo pull-to-refresh it's the same you do the same thing with your thumb but instead of you know the whole list pulling down you get a different animation and it refreshes which is very cool to me it takes those giant avatars that you have in the iOS version and put some next few messages in the Android version um so I think and it just feels faster and more fluid and it's a better experience assuming you keep all those new in boxes turned off ah because you could still have priority inbox notifications on Android without having the new in box system right because that was there from the get go right for a while anyway right so yeh on Android grumpy on iOS that's my baby they'll fix it on iOS don't you think they've already built it in they should just you know make it work without that there's no going back I think eventually Google's going to force everybody to switch to these new tabs and this is the way all there well then I'm switching to outlook.com yeah as well as a new mail app right the emoji on email redesign sweet I also heard a rumor that Yahoo's weather app no longer has a stupid icon no this is not a room that is the truth it's a good icon to it's not not too bad I mean he's a blue cloud it's not the deed if I can go to focus focus it's not focusing I might have to check that out yeah uh mobile stuff at computex Intel's getting on some Samsung tablets ah there's the the 6-inch 1080p fonepad note from Asus I love how they had the brazenness to call it the note like this you know yeah that doesn't exist already the biggest the biggest electronic company the world doesn't use that from one of their products so that's the best I mean it I can't tell if it if asus is trolling or serious i just like the ipad / pad phone line is joint role i'm pretty sure it is because it has i've got phone pad and pad phone and like they're just like at what do we call this one they flip a coin like and by the way phone and more importantly none of these products are have actually been proven to exist yeah right they only feel there's three of each they're out there bolted two tables at trade shows only place you'll ever see them again yes and edit every trade show every like three months they roll out the successor to the one they just showed yeah like it's a good thing it's a giant long troll by johnny she and then they show a picture of somebody holding a 7-inch slab to their face placing a boy oh man by the way uh if any of our listeners or viewers have not seen the original uh padfone announced you need I'm talk about like the original original doll from like seven we had another was this one where he had it under the like cloth and he's yes yes it was amazing that the best part about it is that they had to to prevent like a video feedback they had obviously filmed filmed his his act before the actual presentation and like they were showing what what they wanted you to believe was a lot of view of him behind the main where he was like standing and doing his thing but it was a recording and you can see subtle differences between like what he's doing on stage and what's in the video the supposedly live view like up close fetal area so it's amazing you have to watch it Johnny she is like that the greatest showman in all the electronics the CEO of aces Wow greatest there's some stiff competition there man yeah but Johnny she like has no limits he has no shame yeah yeah like he will do anything anywhere if it involves rolling out a new non-existent device that combines three different categories in Des Moines like he's there Wow uh you know I think that's a high note to end on we've got places to go things due next week is going to be insane we have WWDC and we have III and god there's probably something else I don't even know I could tell you what June tenth has long been rumored as the date that Android 4.3 will launch oh great so if that happens I'm allow me those are you pulling an apple on on apple instead of apple yeah they've been pretty crazy absolutely would be that would be amazing and crazy they didn't do it at I oh okay anyway like no cuz it's just to discredit that rumors slightly that rumor was also paired with the white Nexus for launching with Android 4.3 on jun 10th alright which we know didn't happen so right you know take it with a grain of salt okay um in any case uh we might be back with a virgin mobile show next week we might not it all depends on the insanity that we are faced with but there'll be plenty of other coverage both live and non on the verge so keep it locked you can follow us on the twitters i am back lon dan is DC seifert chris is z power of lads lads above we are all at merge and you should follow us all and you should come back to see the show again and we appreciate you doing it this time