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hey welcome to the verge mobile show this is episode 59 for the week of August twentieth or today actually is August twentieth if you're watching this live 2013 and you re starting late sorry we had some technical difficulties so I apologize from the bottom of my heart to anybody those that's trying to watch us live but we are here and we're ready to do a show i'm dan seifert i'm chris sigler and i have with me this is the guy who normally produces this show his name's evan rodgers someone from the internet he's the internet's evan rodgers but today you can blame him for everything that has gone wrong with this show so far yes literally everything if you have any complaints track them devin rogers he's having rogers on twitter i just tweeted about him feel free to just load up just give him he'll please i'm looking forward to it it should be good but no the reason why evan is here is a because he's awesome be because he classes up the joint uh see deters on an aircraft uh d vlad savov AKA Vlad wick is at Gamescom in Germany and II why not yeah man why not absolutely so do we have to talk about um we got a lot of things to talk about don't we we've got why don't we jump right into it so the Moto X is still kind of in the news even though we've already talked a lot about it and we reviewed in everything but you can actually buy it on this friday the twenty-third you can order it through Moto's motomaker website which we took a look at this week and you can customize the heck out of it and you can get it on AT&T ah this is only 18 t this this ride is that right I believe so yeah um because i think verizon is delayed a week or so if i'm not mistaken and who knows what the on carriers really so so i have a very special then even you don't know about this it's so it's so clandestine Oh mandan I don't know how you pronounce that word uh just like gaffey uh so I have a live demonstration that I'd like to do for our very special viewers right now this is the Moto X that I ordered uh it's kind of a tennis ball yellow on the back with blue accents and thence white on the front and in the course of about 24 hours just 24 hours the back I don't know if you can see this at all but it's super grungy and gross just from being in my pocket and rubbing up against a plane boarding pass and I think that some of the ink rubbed off mmm tink gal that ink yeah dirty Pakistan so it's just these are brand new pants used and it's not ink from the pants because it's not blue so the only other explanation is that is the boarding pass now Chris did you have a dirty boarding pass I may have on your Moto X is it like it's like a kind of like a matte soft touch finish right yes yeah I mean this is we have we seen that before right I think I me was it the 1x uh with its white soft touch kind of matte finish if you put that in a pocket like your pocket of your blue jeans chances are the thing was coming out kind of blue right yeah absolutely and and so the demonstration I want to do for our viewers is that I've heard the word on the street in fact we may have mentioned this on this very podcast before word on the street is that you can fix grungy matte plastic backs with mr. clean magic erasers uh and so I literally just moments ago had one of our are very very talented interns run down to a drugstore to buy a magic eraser and he brought in a bowl of water and so we are going to dip this is happening right now if you guys aren't watching this live I'm sorry but you're about to see some some crazy demonstation demonstrate right now Chris is I'm dipping I'm dipping their magic eraser in the bowl of water which is slightly off camera I apologize and we are going to try to rub this phone clean uh you uh whoa yeah there's a lot of water in here how do you uh do you have to squeeze it out first hey you got to get a ring at all yeah the magic erasers almost kind of like a sponge hold on hold on this is about to get real okay and then hold it out in front of the yeah for the viewers a little bit more uh so I'm rubbing I'm rubbing wow this is this is actually working hold on I think this is working dude is it rub it is it taking any of the paint off any other like is it is it taking the carrier logo off yeah what meal and I were joking about this that this morning unfortunately the AT&T logo is engraved into the phone so that's not gonna happen this is like seriously working really yeah and I apologize this is not a paid advertisement for whatever Procter & Gamble who makes this magic eraser I just heard on the street that literally on the street is walking the hard streets of Chicago and I overheard some people say that the magic erasers really good at this hang on dudes dudes Evan tell me that's not clean it's it's totally clean I mean it looks brand new right on a few looks brand new in like the wet soggy gone away but yeah now that that is some serious yellow that you've got there on your particular unit Chris yeah a soccer ball it looks like a soccer ball yeah I'd like to think of it as a tennis ball but yeah I like the tennis ball analogy no Chris so obviously in order to get your custom Moto X you had to go through the Moto maker website and do the ordering uh tell us about that how was that process the process was fine it was super easy the one thing I thought about this quite a bit like um you know they make you choose the front in the back differently obviously because I have what on the front and yellow in the back um I just activated the silly camera gesture that i would i would really like if they made the front available and all the same colors that they make the backs but they only have white and black on the front and i suspect the reason for that is that there is that the front is a much more complicated piece than the back the back is just solid piece of plastic the front you have like you know the the screen you have these these things up top for the you know the sensors and the camera the earpiece etc so i think that they wanted to you know in the name of efficiency they just said okay we'll screw it we're just gonna do white black and everyone has to pick one of those two so if I if I'd been able to get this phone in the same color in the front that I that I did in the back I think it'd be considerably hotter but it still looks good looks good Josh was giving me a hard time earlier because he doesn't like white anymore you decided inside that white is that pass a showing the white the plastic on the Moto X the white plastic on the Moto X just doesn't leave it just doesn't have a very high ball you go I think you texture I think you don't have a high quality feel Evan oh really oh this is this is a good no the mat the mat back is great but it's that the the surrounding rim out of the white plastic I think doesn't look very good I have some touch-up work to do but I gosh I you know take your time now Chris while you while you clean up your your Moto X again uh you've been kind of raving about it since you got it huh well so when I when I first pulled it out of the the package and I started using it I loved the size the feel uh I mean it really is like the perfect for my size hand and I think for many hands across the world it is the perfect size and that's even though it is the same size screen is that as the HTC One it feels a lot smaller and I think that's because it just has a ridiculously small bezel which it also doesn't have those speakers right below it right yeah that's right um so it just comes across as like the perfect feel and I love matte plastic that always feels great feels great on nokia's so so the the Moto X is a 4.7 inch device yeah but it is pretty much straight up the size of a 4.3 inch device can you will you been that whoa alright so what I have right here is the HTC first one of those we just have hanging around and it's like it's just not that much bigger like to the point where it's yeah I get that a little closer to the camera so so if you guys can see here uh you can see that they're really the profile of the first pretty much is the exact same footprint as the Moto X which is kind of impressive and you know something we've been asking for for ever right yeah yeah it's kind of the best of both worlds you get a big screen in a small body so it looks great it feels great the design ability I still think that you know build order phones are kind of like the next big thing in mobile and I think we're going to be seeing more companies do that just because this is going to pique their interest and more people are going to say way I want my choice of like 14 different bags so I think this is just the beginning so Dells gonna make a definite come back then right did you say del yeah Evan Evan I I listen dudes dell is gonna go private michael dell's finally going to get his way he's got a defeat carl icahn somehow he's gonna go private and then boom there's going to be customizable dell smartphones just any be any color specifically customizable venue pros yes nothing else just venue for after the apocalypse there will only be two phones there will be the hd2 and the venue from the two is essentially the cockroach oh it really is so I want to share one other anecdote about this phone that I think is important for people to realize they shift it with the skip which is that NFC it's like a it's like a clip it's like a leather it's probably not real leather but it feels like a leather clip that hinges in the middle and has a magnet on either sides that it like it closes shut you can put around like a belt loop or some it's almost like a money clip then yeah a little bit except smaller and it has an NFC tag and the idea is that when you touch the phone to it and it unlocks it so you don't have to go through your pen or your pattern or whatever you have set up the breath the problem is that i was on the plane this morning we just arrived at LaGuardia and and I touched it like it's on the belt loop closest to my crotch and so I touched it against my crotch and it didn't unlock and then so I did it again I did like five or six times and i realize that i'm sitting there beating my crotch with my with my Moto X on the plane which just looks really weird and and really raises the question do you want to put an object on your body that you need to tap in order to unlock your phone I'm not sure you do i'm not sure that i'll be using this game but you put it I just thank you you chose the wrong spot because when you get up from the table and it but even if you're putting it like say you're putting on the side of your body like no Chris don't tell me you when you when you back pocket because you check your cuties in wallet like you tap it you just give it a tap on the butt when you tap it how long does it recognize or save that authentication is it like every single time you pull out of your pocket you got a tapper or is it yeah it's it's one shot so so literally every time you turn the screen off you have to tap it again or you got to put your passcode it well they're most phones have the ability to set like a time oh yeah well yeah sure and I yeah I've mindset so that every time I turn the screen off it it sets the path locks I'm insane and paranoid no but yeah if you set it to not you said it to only relock after like 10 minutes or something then it'll honor that yeah of course but I mean that that just seems so I don't know like like I'm thinking like right now I have my pebble set up as an authenticator for my phone through a particular app on my phone and and so that means that as long as my pebble is connected to my phone there's no pass code like I don't have to put in a passcode unlock my fault with this case as soon as my pebble I know disconnects the phone locks puts a passcode on it so if I leave it and I walk away from my phone and advertently as soon as the Bluetooth range is out it disconnect in locks it up or someone steals my phone it locks it up and I don't worry about it but when I'm carrying the phone and using the phone all day long I don't have to put in my passcode all day which rise me nuts which seems like a way more practical implementation of this technology and as far as I understood I thought the Moto X had the ability to use like trusted Bluetooth at things is that true yes yeah every time you paired a device a thing pops up in the in the notification bar that says i cant rember what it says but something the effective do you want this to be a trusted Bluetooth device and then you know that makes it so that once that device pairs the phone is unlocked so you know that works great for a bluetooth headset or you know a pebble or whatnot yeah that just seems like a way better implementation of these types of like avoiding your passcode technology right I'm also concerned that that not even concerned but resigned to the fact that the Skip will go through my clothes washer and then I don't know maybe it's it's like resistant to that if they didn't design it to be resistant to getting thrown in the washer then it's even more insane because you know you put in your belt loop you forget it's there and then it's going to go through well I mean NFC's a passive technology like there's no power you have to worry about right but I'd be worried about like the the leather or leather like substance that it's covered in that's real particularly durable so i don't know if it's designed to be able to do that or not so Chris did you get did you get your custom engraving on the motor works no so this is interesting uh Josh got one that was engraved and he has not yet received his mom so I think that and and as you go through moto maker it does warn you that engraving it's just like it you know an apple device where like if you try to engrave it warns you that there's gonna be delay in shipping moto maker is the same way so I think you know and that time varies you know I got mine yesterday without engraving he has not received his yet don't know if he'll get it today yet or forget tomorrow or what but um yeah that will delay your ship date for sure yeah and well now motorola is not even gonna be offering it know what they got rid of engraving completely well at least for launch so yesterday motorola you know reached out to a lot of press and told them that they are not going to be offering the engraving at launch because of quality control issues that they're seeing during this beta test when it's yet when they've been giving out review units and things like that apparently the quality of the engraving is up to Motorola standards so they've essentially said that it's not going to be available at launch it's going to be hopefully available soon but they don't really know when so that means if this friday if you were hoping to order once a moto maker and get your name inscribed on it um sorry you're out what my take is that if you get a device in you know in grave then you've immediately made it unruhe sellable which for me yes you very something really cool on it like yeah but you can't engrave anything really cool because Motorola's gonna censor yeah yeah exactly um one other thing I noticed well actually I didn't notice this josh did and I wish that I had noticed it at his device so he has the original he has one of the original all black moto x review units that were sent out before moto maker was live um and the the volume and power buttons on his device are considerably nicer than mine his really yeah his standout further from the body of the phone and are more touchable they have more tactile response mine are basically flush with the body which is not doesn't seem right so and what what color did you get I got I came from the name of the color but it's like a fluorescent yellow basically no sew the buttons are fluorescent yellow as well oh no that the the buttons are blue okay kind of you can see there or not so yeah that I I don't know if that's a quality control issue or if they've changed it so that they're all more flush with the body now or what the story is but that's something we need to keep an eye on like as they're pumping out these custom-made phones is there a lot of variance in these buttons and in the phone the manufacturing the phone in general from device to device if there is that's that's an issue that's an interesting point because you know years ago that was kind of a concern that you'd have uh for a lot of smart phones you know certain depending on which you know run of the production line you got sometimes your power button was more reliable than others sometimes your volume buttons were we're better working and in recent years you know a lot of that has been kind of sorted out by most of the manufacturer at least at least most of the top tier manufacturers you could say definitely Apple is very consistent with its manufacturing HTC has really improved a lot of its manufacturing and Samsung's really consistent as well so you don't see that too much often but like he just said if they're you know doing different setups for every single phone that they produce as far as the color options and there that throws in another curveball or variable into the Equality control that they've got to manage that's that's exactly right a number of possible sk uses so it's just so although i just want to say that those are my absolute favorite as XDA threads ever they're like hey hey did you get the sony panel oh you got the LG panel oh man oh where they like go through really oh dude like the code yeah at all number dude yes that's got like five percent less contrast it's so bad it just just like sell the phone like you don't even having a phone that is this crappy yeah like so so this actually uh is a nice segue into our next point where you know Motorola's doing this phone customization thing now actually found out this week that apparently HTC had something very similar in the works for its windows phone 8x or the 8xt or whatever is calling the sprint version it was originally going to do the same kind of thing where customers could go online customize the colors of the phone that they want and then have it shipped directly to them but apparently it wasn't logistical II feasible for HTC or at least HTC felt like it wasn't and they scrap the plans for that so it's interesting to see you know why Motorola is able to follow through and push through on this and and HTC decided against it yeah I mean you can definitely understand what kinds of legit like gavins point you can see what kinds of logistical challenges what would exist when you're allowing people to physically choose which components go into their phone and what we'll have to see a whether the Moto X is able to do with a with sufficient quality control and be whether this is something they continue they go back to just doing you know a stock run of devices um one thing that I'm just I'm kind of thinking out loud here but what happens if you have a warranty as you on a custom Moto X that means that you're you know you're not getting next day turnaround or two-day turnaround that phone your ball man well it is assembled in the US right yeah so they may actually they may actually repair it and disassemble it oh this type of thing makes me think of like the nightmare scenario where motorola finally says you can order wooden panels and like i'm able to place an order for a teak phone and then there's a huge demand run on the cheekbones and they're backordered like four weeks and then i get a defective teak phone and i need to replace it here are the problem here's the problem with your dream so excited for the wood panel no I wanted you I want to so bad here's here's the problem with your dream of a wooden phone okay you're gonna get that phone you're gonna be in a bar and and someone is going to be you know playing with matches or you know like with matches and head you're playing with a Zippo or who knows what yeah the punk rock kids are gonna they're gonna get the little too close seats and and next thing you know your phones on fire because i'm more worried of like I mean we're more worried about getting like a beer on it and then heaven expand and then kind of yeah the wood would warp after getting wet or something like that in the teak is supposed to be really resilient to that right I'll tell you what it's resilient to looking terrible like a tennis ball I'm sorry oh ever just bird you yeah that was a pretty sick burn uh but I stand by the fluorescent yellow Moto X I i'm happy i was a little you know it's like it's a really um was where I'm looking for it's like fresh no it's like it's a really heavy moment your life when you like oh you're like I'm gonna have this device for anywhere from six months to two years and I need to make the right just hovering over the over the x button right just button the sub submitting your jokes mr. sweating exact how how like so when you ordered it on moto maker and you saw they were like this is what your phones would look like with the colors that you chose and then you got the actual device how accurate was that was it an accurate representation online to what you actually got in person yeah I would say it was actually very very accurate and I can't say that you know that may not be true for every color but in my case I would say that it was surprisingly accurate I'm super happy with it so as anybody actually touched and felt like a retail black and white model like to your point about the buttons I wonder if those with those large production runs for the black and white ones at our quality well I mean the Josh's review unit is all black so like the but is that the same black that t-mobile is gonna get because they're only gonna get black and white in the store yeah i don't know like yeah so that that's a good point on moto maker if you get a black or white back you can choose from two materials you can choose from a like a honey nut honeycomb but it's like a textured back it's like almost carbon fiber esque yeah and it has some but it has some like bumps to it doesn't know it has no bumps it's really smooth really yeah David is david has that one the textured appearing one okay and then the other choice is just the smooth matte which is like what the yellow is um so if I were to get black or what I'm not sure to answer your question I don't know okay what carriers are gonna get what and if I were to choose black or white from moto maker first of all I'd be questioning everything about my life because I you know like if are you really gonna go through the process of like you know customizing a phone and just giving up and say I'm screwed i'm getting white or black I mean come on really but I I don't know what material i get all right so we've talked a lot about the Moto X does anybody else have anything else to say about the Moto X before we move on I have one more thing to say about the motorbikes of course you do uh so in fact I think I tried to smooth the conversation in this direction and I may have derailed myself but so so I pulled it out of the package yesterday loved it loved the feel of the shape i love the like the active notifications and all that garbage and the ok Google now but after about an hour it got to the point where like people calling me we're just going straight to voicemail and I could call people but after like between one and five it's the calls would degrade in quality to the point where like I could hear them but they couldn't hear me at all which renders it useless and I wasn't getting some text messages Neil I sent me a text message last night apparently and I didn't get it uh so this is ongoing and I don't know first of all I use I use an 18 teen Microsoft which puts me in a very very small minority of ATT customers and I doubt that they properly verify every phone they sell with the microcell so that's one concern it might be a problem to Mike yourself to might be a defective moto x 3 it might just be a problem with moto x's in general for whatever reason I pulled the SIM out and cleaned it and put it back in I don't know like maybe I think that was just to make myself feel better I don't really know but we'll see so I'm gonna be using the phone over the course of this week if I don't get any of my phone calls I'll know that the phone is messed up right right yeah that's kind of kind of an important thing yeah okay so speaking of AT&T yesterday 18t announced a phone called the mini and a phone called the mega also arriving this friday so ATT is getting a whole buttload of things in addition to the Moto X it's getting the one mini which actually I'm kind of excited for on friday for 99 bucks and then it's also getting the galaxy mega 6.3 which I have zero excitement for for 150 bucks because it's not big enough right you want a bigger phone yeah I mean if it's under 7 inches I don't even want to want to entertain the notion i am actually excited for the sony ultra bonanza well that yeah but that was just ran free like yeah like the galaxy mega is like intentionally a mid-range device yeah whereas the Sony is not mid-range so that's that's tangential though I do I want to come back to the mini I could not be more excited about the mini really yes I'd there's no there's no phone I desire so highly as the mini now why is that uh because i have i have a one okay that's here it's you know it is what it is it's great um but i also have this H this first this HTC first and I just I just on this to be this size and interestingly enough the one mini is almost exactly the same as the HTC first the discontinued redheaded stepchild but now let me ask you this Evan yes if all you want is a one that's the size of the first once you rather keep the 4.7 inch display the one absolutely not absolutely not I would rather take the 720p 4.3 inch display because it's LCD and I like that do take any color test like a nice monitor and your phone and try to hold back the vomit you kill me bro I'm gonna start calling me Neil is what I'm gonna so bad look it's like plasma underneath the screen i just want regular okay just to be clear let's let's set the stage for listeners Evan was relaying a story to me about how he listens to like these insane like 48-bit songs or so I don't know like you listen to music it's like nothing that's wrong with chiptune no no no no you're a chiptune I'm talking about like like it better than lossless like it's so lossless that like it it's it's more full than the original like oh I don't know they retire I don't open physics yeah and I am listening to the thoughts and imaginations that's exactly is it that is how you presented it to me so I just want to set the stage for listeners that evan is uh he isn't just an audio file or video file or anything he is just a file and that that that that goes for everything evan is involved with including displays for me personally if I can see text and browse and look at emails I'm a happy camper in fact why don't we just using ink for all of our phones well first of all an eating phone would be amazing if the refresh rate was anything better than Jurassic but what was the moto f6 was it's the survivor phone here nothing is great but the mini like i aven't you mobile customer and it's coming out on ATT and who knows how long that exclusive is yeah i'd be shocked to tmobile ever gets it i'm gonna let's just say i'm gonna buy it so hard and you know the the first actually there's a way to sim unlock at HTC if you're listening don't ruin this for me okay I need this made it bad and I by the way I can assure you HTC is listening sweetie listen listen listen no joke don't take this away from me don't tell anyone my HTC but there's a way to get a free sim unlock on the HTC first you just copy memory block 0 page six I think to a file you just dump that you just root it made of it and then you get another utility and then you get it in a hex editor Hey look for that eight digit code in plain tex HTC don't you do this I know it's too close dear to the launch date for you to change it don't have a launch day update for this I need it just that one day that's all I mean I'll be I mean you're not supposed to you're not supposed to explain how you do this when you're telling someone not to stop it you just you just ruined a wonderful hack for the 0 for the community God look nor yes look that the mini I don't want to take anything away from the one or the one mini I just like I'm so mesmerised by the size and and shape and like it has i'm in love i'm about to cry okay like the the material of the moto x that the matte plastic is something that absolutely adored on every lumia that I've ever touched and the size is perfect I just this matte plastic you just the only that my plastic this mad plastic is for Buster's and I'll tell you why what uh because facebook yeah because Facebook and I was a nice kid you just get rid of that Facebook and it's all gravy uh yeah I could use this phone actually this is not actually but you know what's the bet actually I need to ask you about this how is the sound quality from the Moto X the speaker phone no the headphone quality I have not tested the headphones yep and see heat crazy life hehe chris hasn't been able to test the Moto X's sound quality because he can't get any phone calls this is true I won't know part of the thing that makes that like I had an Xperia z4 a little bit and the sound quality was really good but through headphones were just talking about through it audio through headphones sound quality was very like flat and sounded really nice but it was not even close to loud enough so I can loud Subway's with trains even unlike the other side of the station almost completely lose the ability to hear anything but both the first and the one just have just monumental amplifiers oh yeah no the one that I think he's specifically dancar me if I'm wrong and they like specifically advertise the headphone amp on the the one like there yeah the ones got the ones got its own special speaker amp and headphone amp as far as I understand well the mini is just as good in terms of like hardware I mean in terms of yeah just just audio processing hardware it's loud and it's really clear and and the design is great look I mean the design of the phones is so i just i mean like I've I have been playing with this first because I am like on tenterhooks for the warm mini you're on what for the diet and sitting on pinterest and i did you know what he's talking about dance no no this is this is when we explain to our viewers evan is from kentucky and so he might be referring to something there's nobody on the coast knows what that means i have no idea with it why why the ultrapixel camera though on the mini why didn't they just glossing that ovaries like yeah i move on yeah i'm not gonna talk about my i attend roads yeah all right but why didn't they just kind of back down from the ultra pixel sensor and just put in a garden variety anything 8 megapixel sony exmor you know the Moto X has a terrible camera and they're just owning it they're like we're not known for cameras yeah we're just owning our mediocrity in the camera Department but but I mean I guess they already had it already purchased to you know had a deal or something yeah I still you know for like if I just want like a consistently awesome picture with no hassles and like software that works but there's still nothing that beats iphone I hate you there's nothing but it is absolutely true yeah it's it's such a shame I mean I have an anecdote about this I my wife is an iphone user she's had an iphone 4s for a couple years and she was having some issues with it so I said I'll you know try out the nexus 4 since I've got it lying around and so I put her on that for a week and you know everything is gravy until she goes to take a picture and then like the whole world falls apart yet you know that that ended that experience experiment pretty quickly no she's backing around another weird thing about the nexus for that I've never understood is that you know LG has made some amazing displays including a bunch of iphone displays and yet the display on the Nexus 4 is a steaming what tell you what it's better than I totally disagree i think the display is great on the Nexus 4 I don't know what you're needing the Nexus ok just take one look at the Xperia Z or Z are and you'll be like holy Yeah right I don't i dint that yours I don't doubt it um know that Dan seriously the Nexus porn is like the worst contrast ratio that's not even that's not even true the contrast ratio are insane on the nexus 4 insanely bad ok you disagree in that in that the blacks are not black enough or they are over the blacks are overtly white the black the black so that's all just profiling you like the screen itself is capable of showing more blacks than it is it's just the software is profiling it to be a flatter curve you're just trying to throw like technical terms at me did it to like convince me that the nexus 4 dough doesn't have a terrible screen bigger haces no I really disagree with you like crit like like Evan was saying the Sony's have these like major like viewing angle problems and you get all max back that's actually grey just pick up any Sony yeah i mean the nexus 4 has you know one of the better displays of the market not as good as HTC's definitely up there with samsung's as far as you know the samsung's AMOLED screens but you know you definitely like way better than the Galaxy Nexus what if I got myself into like this is the conspired to like throw me with this nexus no one it always made you like amoled screens and I orange I god you're just yeah Chris that's a problem you're just used to these AMOLED screens that are like way over contrast E and like way out of reality okay here's what's gonna happen i'm gonna text dieter right now and ask him if the Nexus forest screens he's gonna ask him if you can join you on the acid trip that is amyloid testing a real because that's what it looks like to me it's like a swimming glowing terribly oversaturated display quick question colon does oh no way wait in your opinion does no not doors does the Nexus so what we're learning here is that despite years of using mobile devices Chris still takes forever to send a text message true no look I'm saving time by typing su ex instead of su there you go yes now could you could you have typed that faster on a blackberry no no uh you have to download oh wait wait wait no because I don't want plural sucks i just want suck what hold on okay all right wait it won't everyone listening at home I I am distributing okay okay so that text message is out to dieter well I will keep you up guys updated live if and when he gets back to me my opinion live deets yes ly ly beats uh what's next well what do we need to talk about next all right let's move on so we got a little more details about the alleged upcoming iPhone um that were expecting to be announced September 10th now now the wall street journal is saying that Apple has asked its suppliers to step up production and get ready to ship to new iPhones in the early September which kind of lines up with what we'd expect if it was announced on the tenth chances are it'll probably be available to consumers within two weeks after that right uh I guess I mean apples gonna do what Apple wants to do I don't put a lot of stock in anything until the phone is actually on the shelves we'll see and then I also just want to point out that I want to point out the insanity like all signs are at this point all signs are pointing to this this fricking gold iPhone being real yes and it's insane damn sheffer wants it so bad well Sam sheffer is he's hypebeast he's a Heidi's you always concerned about his uh penis wangle a quarter a dude his swag could be so much higher and the old iphone look doesn't matter you know a week at why breaking news from dieter it's tuned to dimly since it's a nexus it's too wide the screen itself Matt and I quote met em eh it's not the worst I give it a six a six the end so he kind of falls in between you and I like I think it's pretty good you think it's socks deters like yeah oh wait he clarifies he says that the bone six not a verge six I don't know what that means that's that's out of a scale of at 8.25 it's very specific which makes him agree more with me than with you so I'll take that so that I guess it quick I guess my question is is there's there's the rumor of the more affordable plastic iPhone which we may or may not have seen backs for if it's if it's the backs that have been leaked yeah we've seen this I mean assuming those leaks or legit we see the back of this iphone 5c or whatever it is the cheap phone buzz ilion times like that is hot just want to put that out there but and my next question is do you think that we'll have like the 5s or the next iteration of the flagship iPhone is going to have the same body style the same like angular body style or will they adopt the the curves like ipod touch wait breaking news update peter says maybe a seven it's fine really just he says it's the Chevy Malibu of screams update good I know yeah i love how dieter is like sitting there wherever he is I think he's traveling so wherever he probably just got off an airplane and he's like sitting there waffling on his score of an exit but to clarify the bone score not the verge score right of course uh so anyway back to the so I think what's gonna happen is the rumor correct me if i'm wrong i think the rumor has been that the 5c will replace like the 5 and 4s just gonna clear out the low model or the like that you know their their classic model of taking last year's model making it this year's like low low cost model they're going to get rid of both 5 and the 4 s so 5 is only going to last year presumably and they're gonna place both both those with 5c and then the 5s or 6 or whatever they call it will be gold and will look like it will look like a five except gold and it's it's really messed up okay so despite that look the gold iPhone should be a color where that should be like Kim Kardashian says I need a gold iPhone and then pays four hundred dollars they have a gold iPhone made like there should not be an oem gold iPhone it's you didn't get to see them everywhere I'm sitting back I'm just gonna sit back here lie because you know proving or providing that this gold i phone is true i know chris is just gonna like run out and buy one no I'm not I am absolutely one hundred percent not going to do that I may in fact I probably will buy an iphone 5s because I bought every previous model iphone but I will not mark my words physically on a board mark my words I will not be buying a gold iPhone if I do buy a gold iPhone you guys can uh I don't do something bad to me I don't know what but I just I don't believe that Chris I believe it when you I believe it when I don't see it that's what you get if you break down and get a gold phone you have to give up your next favorite device and we're gonna coat that gold but not in like a good way I'm not gonna have professionals do it is coded gold in the bad way yeah will be 24 karat gold it could be well they even that even that could be bad then all hola after you do that I'll scrap it okay they just collect the go to a pawn shop here's how this here's how this is going to go down is Apple's going to announce it and they're not going to call it gold they're gonna call it like champagne and then Chris will have this little loophole to be able to buy a champagne iphone without ever buying a go out just cry I'll live streaming I'll life I cried look I I don't own a single gold anything I think gold is it is a detestable all color I think big gold has value as like currency as like you know bullion but i don't think that gold has value as like a design elements and that includes the iphone you heard it here folks I yes you did here here here it here I'll remember that each GRE however that when you have it look you're gonna sway hard but the same holds true this year that would that held true last year as your friendly local industrial design trend experts black is still the new white black the murdered-out iphone 5s will continue to be like the model to have if you if you get the gold your Buster if you get you get the white you're just not up on the trends you're not exhaust ripping so I don't know if I agree with you Chris because you know last year when the iphone 5 was announced and the black murdered out one looks so hot and everyone scooped it up and I bought one myself and I loved it and then it got like scratched and scuffed and beat up and now it's like not looking so hot and then I see people with the white one which like still looks pristine and looks really hot too and I kind of want if I do by the 5s I kind of want to like one dan I I gotta say I think it's a grass is always greener thing because I originally had a white iphone 5 I thought it looked so fresh and then I kept seeing those murdered out black ones and I was like I gotta get that it so I switched I had traded someone for it but then after lots of time and dedicated service for my black iphone I kept seeing those white ones house like I gotta go back soon I you're both yeah but I don't have both I don't have both I do have the silver one but all I'm saying is is that it's hard to win it's hard to win it's hard to be satisfied speaking of uh special colors of phones is anyone else stoked stoge is not the right word but like the red HTC one is going to be awesome and it only makes me say that it's on sprint because none of us have sprint or likely will ever have but it's it's an awesome well yeah it's it's super interesting to me because the red not members bad line the the red model that sprint is carrying is different than the red model that was released in the UK like the red the woods released in the UK is like this Ferrari red and then the red model that sprint is carrying is like this more muted darker red but I mean they both look crazy yeah i would take either one i think i would prefer the brighter red i think i saw a picture of a blue one I have no idea yeah I think I think there's been some leaks of like a blue one oh so I think Oh básicos kind of look gross personally I do i do really want a black one though well the silver one you probably I'm guessing you have some expertise on this the silver one is probably pretty anodizing right yeah yeah will you don't you see he's a duck off you can take off let me just let me just bring you bring you here on the inner bring it you're gonna bring us into the world of anodization yeah well do I used to play lacrosse and that was the I don't know what all of you all the sticks are anodized anyway anyway so you could take anything at all that's anodized and submerge it in like a plate or pan or a ceramic dish of drano and it will d anodized the whole thing wine you can just go through with like any kind of like bristly brush and I kinda get the other stuff off polish it up then you could Rhiannon eyes it you could take it wherever you want to go can you just have it polish yeah and you could definitely do that think about all the polished aluminum stuff you could have you think of all the polished aluminum stuff one could own yeah if one only had a large quantity of drano episodes 0 so what makes me concerned or a question the ability to anodize the one and this is because I haven't seen any services pop up that let you send them your one and get a different color is the like the plastic pieces that are embedded in it like aren't easily removable so it's like like you know with the with the iphone 5 you know their services dieter actually got it done and now he has an orange iphone 5 that you can like send your phone to and they will anodized the metal parts and change your color I haven't seen that come up for the one which it could just be a like it's flown under my radar and I didn't notice it but it seems like it's a little more difficult on one so I think that a lot of those specifically for the iphone coloring one a lot of those services are actually complete a horse horse pucky actually because you can get you can order colored iPhone rear battery covers like bin wholesale from hong kong yeah but i don't know man like if you seen deters deters is like straight up anodized orange and it's not just the back it's the yeah edge it's the buttons it's everything that's what I'm saying it's like that actually sounds more like a factory like they achieved as many that Apple ordered in a month they're free to use the machine after that because you know app only rents the machines from them and they just start running not like I don't know man I think the place is in Canada if it was actually still your Center fun to Canada wait back up one hot minute there's no way there's a company that rolls up on Apple's factory and that's hey are you guys done making any of the day except they don't Pollard I fake though weirdo in the factories they don't own those factories only the least they only least the machine but apples not just like oh sure go ahead and make some more iphones whatever color you want yeah we're done for what they leased the machines they have no control over that would be I'm sure they don't leave the designs that know any any any manufacturer that we do that with luminescent with apples so quickly like it like Apple would drop their contract in an instant if another like a manufactory turn it in where do they come from who's making these then I think you sent it to Canada I think the companies in Canada you could buy them wholesale you could buy right now if you want it if you are like one of these new york city's street marketplaces and you're like you know what i want to do i want to sell colored iphones you could buy 900 identical lime green iphone backs and have it like drop ships to your to your place to your jan a instant business model just proposed by if anyone out there is an entrepreneur looking for a new business talk to this guy yes like there are suppliers that you can just you can just I mean uh aliexpress will sell you like lots of 25 of them like someone is making these involves what I'm saying and if I was somebody who enjoyed large amounts of money and high margins on myself I would totally say that I am Scott let me dude I will totally anodized this for you and by anodized I mean I'll switch it out for Hong Kong back no more you're the sketchiest person we've ever had virg mobile show I don't know what 47 evidence brought the mobile show to new levels of sketchiness yeah like I never know if what you're saying is legal or illegal I don't know we're about to be raving I don't know if a British Authority is going to come in and destroy all of our hard drives just don't know I mean well somebody is surveilling this we know that I don't it's probably HTC but also the NSA well yeah we know for a fact HTC is really nice uh anyway so speaking of HTC there's one more thing I want to bring up only because uh our dear colleague Chris Welch uh just tweeted at us about a young the HTC One finally coming to verizon this week and frankly at this point Verizon customers are just kind of like abused by the fact that like they they've been teased with this beautiful phone for months and months and months now and they're just now getting it this week but Chris it appears is excited enough about this phone to buy it that's the impression I actually know a lot of my friends I was just talking to one of my friends last night who his contract is up on verizon and he's been waiting and like he is super interested in the HTC One and has been waiting for it to come to verizon so I kind of made his week when I told him that he could buy it like exciting crimes are upon us for Verizon customers this indeed this kind of rounds out there their lineup after they they you know they just launched the droids today right the new droid yeah so the the family of new droids what is it the droid ultra droid Maxx and yep and then they are they calling it the mini I forget already yes I'm like that and then they get the the one later this week it's a good week to be a verizon customer great week it like a really unless week you want to buy Moto X and you want to customize color not sign that wait for me and then it is yeah and then it's a terrible week to be a bright what what's next what do we got so Chris you got a scoop on this galaxy gear we've heard a lot of rumors about this Samsung's supposedly launching a SmartWatch very very soon gonna take on pebble and all the other quote SmartWatch competitors arm and I guess you know we we got a scoop it's real it's real and it's not so there was a backup for a second there was am there's a bloomberg report i believe it was last friday that went into a variety of rumors one of which was the galaxy gear confirming that it was they confirmed he was real they speculated i don't know if they had any solid evidence but they at least speculated that it might be announced at Aoife just coming up in germany in what a week we can have some like that and but there was a very ambiguous line in Bloomberg's report that says something to the effect of the galaxy gear can make phone calls and that led a lot of people to think that meant that it was in itself a phone meaning you know it has a sim card it has probably a giant banner he probably gets really hot it's probably a piece of garbage and something you don't want your life and and you know there is precedent for this because Samsung has believe it or not a lot of Americans may not not know this but they have samsung has made and sold to actual human beings risk watches that our phones in the past going back several years I think you know two things one the Samsung will sell you literally anything that could make sure this is true and and to weave good samsung it's been a lot of weight places i guess those was the same point is so you're two points are actually one point yeah the two points are actually one point it happens sometimes uh in fact i think that was the bet that was like the plot of inception with no i don't think I'm different and it's just the same idea but layers deep so are you are you you just got a pebble no I didn't well a few weeks ago yeah I don't know hey you don't like it no I hate so are you excited about what Sam is not gonna could offer you I'll take it a look but I'll take it a look what is it I'll take a look at it but it unless it is is a dedicated unless it's like a very low power lightweight device that that looks like a you know a jewelry caliber wristwatch and connects our smartphone never happen exactly it's gonna it like it's going a lot of just involves it's going to look I have a very strong feeling it's gonna look ridiculous but anyway getting back to our post post was just confirming that it's not a phone it is a smartphone companion first your to your smartphone but so that makes me ask you know with all these smart watches and things like that so far everything we've seen is not a phone its it's an accessory to your phone you still have to carry your phone around to do anything that you want with it um does anybody want it to be a phone like personally I don't yes John Gruber of daring fireball with love well do you want it to be a phone or do you just want to be able to communicate through it like a phone like do you want to have a separate number like I would not want to be I do not want to be Dick Tracy shouting at my wrist it was clearly want that I will never know why well and people definitely do but like how would you negotiate that because you still need to have a phone with you to make to like type things up well so to watch phones of the past have done one of two things they've either I think I want to say like LG or somebody did one where like the band doubled as an earpiece and microphone Wow uh maybe oh that sounds like something LG with you yeah and then Samsung has done them where you know you just use a hands-free to use it as a phone but then you still end up with two pieces but like the notion is so John Gruber and I had a brief Twitter conversation about this last night wherein he pointed out that he doesn't have his phone with him while he is swimming or running but he does have his watch now I that to me that he'd like to make phone calls while he's swimming and which raises the question do you want to be on the receiving end of a call from a gentleman who is swimming I I don't if I heard like water splashing around someone and just like kind of gurgling sounds I would personally hang up I'd be like oh this person dropped their phone into the water maybe they'll call me back later I'm not sure maybe this person's in a whole heck of a lot of trouble terrifying yes now there's nothing good that can come from that right so and and but he also brought up the point that you know if you if you walk if you have a pebble you walk away from your phone uh it basically just becomes a wristwatch not a very nice looking one or nice feeling one at that and that's a valid point but I think the solution and I've said this for a long time is to drive smart phone or smart watches in the direction of pieces of jewelry you know you want you want the the citizens and the psychos and the Rolexes of the world making smart watches you don't want you don't want smart watches to become phones unto themselves that's a huge mistake okay so i actually have experienced something that was it was more it was smarter watch then most watches are traditionally um i use it on a really recent episode of top shelf okay i don't wanna I don't wanna give away what it was maybe I have to I don't know it was a gps watch is what it was I'll save the actual box is soon toward garmin is a wash he's not gonna tell me as a watch but it was aiming it felt really great it had an aluminum housing he was yeah yes you may did you guess what uh it was a watch chris is just gonna bombard you with his knowledge of washes right now much uh but it had a really solid construction it only had a grayscale um LCD uh-uh but it was like it was so thick it was like probably an actual inch thick um and just just with without a color screen and with only gps activity like that battery did not last yeah like that's not gonna ask you that's not fill last you uh five hours and your smartphone that's the thing your smartphone already has all these sensors built in yeah they spent years optimizing the sensors for like that amount of battery capacity ble exists yep that's exactly that's exactly my point like I don't want when I was getting at was like I don't want a device that's an actual phone of my wrist I want a accessory to my smartphone which I'm always gonna be carrying around with me anyways I've kind of resigned the notion that I'm going to leave my smart phone at home and they talk to my watch like I'm gonna have my smartphone on me all the time so I knee I want something that's an accessory to it I want something that's going to give me notifications easier ah and and whatever you can do it with the the SmartWatch but you know to chris's point it'd be like I on my pebble I bought a leather wristband for it just to make it more comfortable and it looks a little nicer but as soon as you put on a dress shirt or a suit or something you look ridiculous wearing a pebble you look like total amateur hour um so you know it'd be great to have a real style jewelry type of watch that i can write that sexually intelligent so speaking of ble here's kind of what i worry about with these uh smartwatches i really just worry about locking like between the manufacturer and the actual watch because I mean bluetooth low energy exists and it's a common standard but i wonder if you know samsung and motorola and sony and Apple are going to make you know keep all the premium functionality or like the tight integration for their own platforms I mean so many kind of does that Motorola already kind of does that um and that's a little bit of that is driven by the fact that Bluetooth Low Energy didn't exist when they created those products but I don't think there's a there's really much incentive for them to make it compatible across across a range of devices especially if they are selling them as accessories in their stores I I think that's certainly true with Apple I think that's probably less true with others just because there's no yeah I don't know I just can't see Samsung saying you can only use the galaxy gear with the galaxy smartphone I don't see that happen well only boat like feature like this premium touch with speakers you know all of those premium TouchWiz because there are the premium touch with features yeah uh yeah I mean but like that's where the in it that's where the these companies are going to try to innovate beyond what's just like regular notifications and smart like layout and design like that's obviously gonna improve and become a standard but like they're really interesting stuff right I think it's gonna be locked in at least I would expect it to maybe go that way we will see so so I'm going to I'm going to a hammerhead a segue into this and so we got time for one more topic today and that kind of the whole companies competing against each other is kind of the topic the story of it you know last couple week Microsoft and Google have been like going at each other over the silly YouTube app for Windows Phone and it's like it's it's a it's a it's a sad but funny story we're uh one company says that it is doing in one thing and one company says it's doing one thing and then you know Microsoft releases an app and then it stops working the next day because my google turned off its its accessibility to to the api's so unfortunately uh Windows Phone users are kind of like stuck in this middle of this little tit for tat between Microsoft and Google over a decent YouTube app for Windows Phone it sucks it really sucks Evan said I mean the person the people that are really losing or just windows phone customers and I'm a little bit surprised that Microsoft isn't willing to do anything to take to keep the situation nice this was this was clearly a game of chicken between Microsoft and Google um I think that Microsoft but i think my guess is that and tom wrote a great report on this said I I think what probably happened was Google was very clear and like what had happen and what needed to happen and then Microsoft was like well that's cool but we bet you're not going to screw all of our customers out of Google services if we just don't do that and so they just like ignored what Google was asking for betting that Google wouldn't have the cojones to just shut off youtube completely for Windows Phone users obviously Google called Microsoft's bluff and now we're in this this rather terrible situation so well it is really is really great going it's it's it's it's funny I mean obviously you know both sides are to blame right so so it seems to be that Google is making these demands of Microsoft that it used this html5 standard which it it kind of knows that Windows Phone does support really right on the other hand the iOS and Android versions of YouTube that are made by google itself are not built using these html5 api's and html5 standards so it's telling Microsoft that you can do this you can build this app it has to conform to these standards that our own apps don't conform to oh but wait your platform doesn't support it sorry well it's not know i mean i don't know i think that google has carte blanche to do whatever it wants with its own apps I would more call them out for other third-party apps that don't comply which Google just isn't paying attention to a bit tom was saying there's like another Windows Phone app for YouTube that doesn't comply and Google's is completely ignoring it like there's definitely an aspect of Google just messing with Microsoft here no question about it uh but I mean like to to point out google's own apps and say hey your apps aren't complying with your stand well I mean like they're it's googles apps they can do whatever they want sure sure but I mean like you mentioned there are there's other third-party apps on windows phone there's third party apps on iOS even that don't use these HTML 5 api's and they use they they work around and figured out google's own private api is to make their own apps work and it doesn't seem that Google's going to let that fly for Microsoft unfortunately yeah so here we are stuck without a decent YouTube official YouTube app for Windows Phone if I was running my own google hangout instance here i would this is right insert the sad trombone but i'm not so i can't you do we I would do anything to not leave on a Windows Phone Microsoft's topic oh wait that's the wrong one because it was about the rape there we go there we go there is emotion so I I know that there are other people anxious to use the studio so this better be quick oh yeah okay well no no now you have me curious what ok so this nokia phone this monster bandit the monster of a no you don't wait you just said you just said I don't want to end on Windows Phone I guess that's true and then you wet it right into a windows I yeah but Nokia at least that's what no yes a little happier look I a new it's a fresh gigantic start Titanic start for Evan that's it you have a lot to learn about the Virgin Mobile show and why we don't want to end on a windows phone phablet play again sometime someday if you join us often enough you'll realize that's not a very strong way to end show but for now you're you're new here Jana yeah yeah I understand I get it look there yeah with Tom scoop the world 6 inch Windows Phone codename bandit great code name by the way love the code name yeah obably won't buy the phone well I just don't know what I'm gonna do with a three and a half inch wide tile very point so you know expect to see that probably sometime in the near future it will be interesting according to Tom it's going to have a 1080p display which no other windows phone has right now and it will also have a quad-core snapdragon processor which again no other windows phone has so you know it'll apparently be UH one of the first if not the first 1080p Windows Phone device it'll have more cores to run all the games it doesn't have a lot more cores to run all the YouTube maps it doesn't have oh I'm so sorry so on that note we're gonna call it for this week's show this has been uh whatever absolutely nine yeah 59 for August twentieth 2013 I we thank you guys for tuning in if you want to follow us on Twitter as always you can I'm DCC fruit chris is z power evan is evan rodgers and dieter is back lawn and Vlad is glad Sava and hopefully we'll be able to see but hear from those guys next week and until then we'll see you guys later rock and roll I totally stole