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hello and welcome to the Virgin Mobile show actually I should say greetings mobile composters damn it hi thanks for watching this is the worst inch rubber I'm dieter bohn however that's have oh I'm dan seifert and i'm chris sigler the moral of this story is don't ever try and multitask the second in that in the 10 second countdown to the show going on air our esteemed producer evan has given me authority to click the button to make this happen and I just screwed up every time so the big red button the big red button it's still there it's it's still red but I'm looking right at it I'm not going to click it we were a little late because I was ranting about email clients and everybody else joined in because we feel very passionately about email clients so while we have a million things to talk about on this our 64th episode for october first 2013 ah like Samsung Sony all kinds of stuff the reason that i'm not using an iphone right now chris sigler is I want to have my gmail experience work very effectively on my phone and I don't want to live in a world where I've got to manage it twice and gmail on the iOS the app is way too slow and the way that the mail built in mail app works with gmail I'm not super fond of yeah and I don't believe since they had that bug that any email app does proper background updates yet unless mailbox like turn that back on am I wrong mailbox is not turn that back on you yeah there are a couple apps that I think purport to still do it but they're not very good apps but chris says he has a advice for me a clinic actually yes so I promised going to the show that i would give our listeners to but more my esteemed colleagues a a 101 an email 101 like a real clinic on how to manage their email yeah we don't actually care about educating any of you we just know about one of each other yeah right so it's all one of the trip here so there are two and only two tenets you need to remember when it comes to email 10 is number one email dad haha attendant number two actually I would have never remembered this app had Dan not said it moments before the show started but way too much meaning that you don't use it no I like I haven't installed on my iphone but I don't I usually don't think of using it and like my my email situation so hopeless right now that uh like it like it would take me even if i was using triage the waves meant to be used it would still take me like weeks to get back on track but triage so that you know the concept of triage which we wrote about several months ago is that it's just like a never-ending stack of of your unread emails you swipe left to archive or delete your choice you can configure it and you swipe right to leave it in your inbox it's already excuse me yeah up and down so you know it's great if you have an enormous amount of like garbage email that you just want to be able to quickly delete and you know our press release situation in this industry is such that that is a very useful kind of functionality for us so when i when i do when my email is less desperate than it is right now I do find triage to be a useful tool right now is just kind of to the point where literally my only option is to just go full email bankruptcy so if you've emailed me listener uh and you're expecting response I apologize odds are very good i will never see it because i'm about to click select all and archive with it so why might I mote note uh Chris does this at least I see yes it's true but hang on a second your advice to us Chris we just have a big bone for five minutes about how hopeless you hey my situation yeah more or less yes okay because the thing is i mean we could all do that right because of that it's been like okay I'm just gonna clear up a few evos and then I'll go and get on with the rest of my life or I'll go and have a meal and as soon as I'm finished with one their son then another one pings up but then it just carries on and carries on and it's like I say it's like press releases I gotta go to press release from the guys were running cute remember those guys this I think it's the Biggio digia they bought cute from Nokia and I was like back from the dead that was the most exciting press release about this morning honestly but on this topic just to make quick mention i got a hold of a Lumia 1020 here in the UK recently and took some photos with it amazing amazing camera I kind of have to take back my complaints about the software it's just a lot of fun to take pictures with it but the windows phone email situation is it's just getting worse no game yes yes it's just so atrocious and you know it had been like 15 minutes after i blanked out my inbox because i actually do that i know chris you only dream of achieving that but i managed to do that and we're in 15 minutes I had like 18 18 emails I was like what the hell was going on internet it was just mostly reply so same thread and the thing is Windows Phone is treating every applies a separate email which is just like that because we do I can say we try email kind of like instant messaging we sent far away emails all the time particularly in people's birthdays you know max if it's somebody's birthday and trying to sort IMO with Windows Phone it's just a nightmare so that's how I was this one yeah this this triage method like it like just archiver or keep isn't quite enough for me like I need to be able to do a couple more things and relatively quickly in order to manage my email on my phone and one of those things is mute and sometimes I like like a quick to word reply will do it and if I just feel like something like that triage app is just a recipe for me to do a little bit of you know on my phone and then have to do it a second time once i get back to well yeah so that's the philosophy at least that's how i use triage when i when i use it and again i'm not i haven't used it lately but the idea is that you can do a very quick cursory pass to sort out the obvious garbage up front and then you can go back without your desktop client or an android phone or something like that and take care of the remaining emails whether they need to be muted or replied to or whatever chris's ultimate email clinic is use an app on your phone to do an initial pass on the iphone and then go get an android and do it properly is that good but but you're forgetting you're forgetting the first tenet which is you said right so really this entire conversation is moved I guess that always email dead but I don't want anything to replace it I don't want it to be replaced I am or ping or anything else i justjust stop emailing me and I don't want to talk to you I will I RL communication is back and it says I've got a manifesto to write okay is he I've got a cabin and like me okay we could actually wrap this up really neatly by noting that the gmail for android application has been updated to go update like a week ago but it's only now rolling out to a couple of us which is why snoods so theta and I just got the new gmail for android app and it looks rather different and it's buggy it like the scrolling like I get like I get weird like twitchy blinky things on my screen when i scroll really quickly oh no that's just android no but I'm telling you it's weird I like where the app is going design-wise um no no comment on its performance but gmail improves the performance on the native app and does background updates on iOS which they need to do both of those things that would be so clutch yeah there is a very high degree of possibility that i will put down this is this moto x for a long long time and switch back to it i've got the Moto X camera update by the way did I complain about this yet like no better and i agree with brian klug and josh that it's better but it still can't handle right backgrounds like there's a like I like look here here it is I like I'm showing this here you can't really tell I tapped on the person in the foreground here in order to take the picture and theoretically it should expose and adjust for the thing I tapped on but no you just see a shadow in the front and a big bright side on the back like this is a picture that the iphone would have gotten and I would cherish for the rest of my life and instead all I get out of it is a rant on the Virgin Mobile show something that's have a man who I you have going on there that's all Z you've gotten you know you've gotten better motorola nice job i'm very I heard someone describe it as it moved the camera from a four to A six yeah basically yeah well so speaking of cameras i just want to i'd want to dwell on this but the the the 5s what is important to me about that camera i mean obviously it's a great camera but what really is is a game changer for me is how instantaneous it is you can you know if you're on the lock screen you swipe up boom you're immediately at the viewfinder same if you press the camera button from the home screen and to me like in terms of how you use a camera phone throughout the day that capability is much more important to me than the actual quality that I'm getting out of it god I do not want to buy a 5s Chris don't make me do it you're gonna buy a 5s it's a question of land you know you don't want to see the pictures I took over the weekend by 5's then because not only is it really fast like chris says and and that is you know paramount to a camera phone being an awesome camera phone but it also produces really amazing results all right if three things happen one someone buys my orange iphone 5 to everybody promises to never email me again so I don't have to wait for gmail to update their stupid iOS app and three somebody gives me five hundred dollars I will buy a 5s well if you sell your out orange iphone 5 there you go hey one is always open once all three what it what would happen if you sent an orange iphone 5 to gazelle do you think they would reject it I don't know I'm curious a virgin mobile show no no I'm not I'm not going to try some my phone over them original which oh that's terrible we have got like a ton of stuff a surprisingly large amount of stuff to talk about so we should actually not just complain about our own personal gripes although they're incredibly interesting and I can't imagine why anybody would ever want us to stop totally all of it so we had some galaxy reviews go up two day three in fact all at the same time and relevant to this show uh oh my god thanks for that to eat crisps let's talk I like selling stuff even when it's that mine um yeah so dan dan tell us about your experience with an 03 uh so the note 3 I reviewed it and it's a you know it's a great big phone if you're looking for a big phone and you really want the biggest screen that you can get and still have a great phone the note 3 is hands down the best phone on the market for that uh and it took like everything that was good about the note to it included that it took some things that we really didn't like about the note 2 and improved upon them so you know it's a very iterative version but it is overall a better experience there's a lot of things I don't like about the note 2 what what did it fixed number one the greasy slimy glossy plastic back has been replaced with a textured finish but you make leather with admitted leading your plastic right it's still plastic it's very much plastic yeah on the inside it is very much plastic but the things yeah it's it's fake leather and it's got this ridiculous fake stitching that's not fooling anybody and it looks so stupid but when you're holding it like this in your hand it feels a million times nicer than greasy slimy glossy plastic so it's a step forward for Samsung's design department um which you know they're not they're not at Apple's level they're not at HTC's level yet but it's better than before so we have to give them the credit for that and then the other thing is this screen is actually larger on the note 3 than it is on the note 2 but the device is thinner and ever so slightly narrower so you don't have you have more screen and less phone so the whole net result is the phone isn't any bigger than the note 2 but still giving you a bigger display it's also really fast and really snappy and performance is great and the battery lasts all day and into two days if you're not a super heavy user so there's a lot of good things to say about the note 3 it's not the device for me it's way too big and I can't use it with one hand which frustrates me to no end but obviously Samsung's selling these hand over fist so there's a lot of people that are really into these well that's maybe hand with fist because it takes two hands hands over fists it's the stylus the same as wasn't the two as far as I could tell ya it's got a slightly different design it's got this kind of like so you can see that you can see this like knurled kind of ridged edge to it which makes it a little easier to pull out of the holster and it's actually symmetrical now it's not the other the old stylist was slightly curved at the top but the experience of using it is pretty much the city and the big difference is this software here that they added which is called Air Command you pull the sinus out this thing pops up and then you can see if I can do this you can hover over it my close enough no depth perception there we go and you can hover over it and choose a couple of different options and you can take notes and launch apps and things like that with it which is a lot better than what the note 2 did which when you pull the stylus out it's shifted you to a completely different home screen which is completely disorienting read everything like that so that that's a definite improvement in the overall experience but our they are the SAPS the S apps any better like I you know me I love the styles we're talking about this a little bit before the show but like I genuinely want to believe that like a stylist can be awesome on a phone but I dont still don't trust Sam so I can do the software right uh the apps are still not nearly as good as I think they can be there so like with the with the action bar thing or Air Command excuse me so you can like pop open a note and then you can I write like a name and phone number in it and have it automatically add to a contact which is great and cool and smart but I can't like write lunch with dieter at noon and add to my calendar like there's no option for that which blows my mind because that seems like something that I would actually use this function for on the apple newton managed to do right yeah so like for for things like that it still seems like um it's not fully baked and there's still lots of room for improvement on functionality there if you're into drawing and using your note for like artistic stuff there's a couple of apps included that are really great painting apps and stuff and you can do a whole heck of a lot of things that i'm not really capable of taking advantage of because I zero or just a bone in my body but that is part works really well the handwriting recognition on it is really fast as far as determining what you wrote down and it's pretty accurate from the most part even though I've terrible chicken scratch but it still functions like you've given a big box you write a word in the box it takes that word puts in a text field you write the next word it takes to that word puts it so you can write maybe like four or five words at a time and then grabs those and puts those in the text field which isn't very smooth it's easier for me to just type things out on the keyboard you know say I'm song like you went so far as to steal blinkfeed from HTC like you will little literally take anything from anyone you'll take the thing that nobody cares about but just because another phone happens to have it you'll throw it on a samsung toys they took blinkfeed that is insane yeah I couldn't believe I'd like to take blinkfeed then why not just take graffiti just lock stock and barrel just take it just do it it's not called graffiti anymore right it's called graffiti too and then they change it i don't remember they were there were weird lawsuits i forget yeah that all i do not bad so it's food by xerox at some point so that's a note 3 if you want if you really like the note 2 you're gonna love the note 3 if you weren't into the note 2 or the note one you probably not going to be into the note 3 um it's the best big phone oversized in between tablet smartphone on the market see I still think that the whatever that giant Sony is is a sexier looking phone that's the Xperia Z ultra and that's actually bigger that's six point four inch but I haven't used that so i can't speak to it glad you have right if Vlad was still with us I'm sure he'd say yeah we lost for that ah where'd he go he just went away Google had enough of him yeah no he's off of our chat as well he's he's fully disappeared from the internet he got tired of us hi he raged with the internet yeah it would maybe he switched to nevermind maybe he very suddenly decided to go full Paul Miller and we won't hear from him until October gran 2014 oh boy um what done talk about the note 3 though because we have to talk about the this benchmarking thing yeah so as I did with I believe it was the international version of the galaxy s4 yeah the one that's powered with Samsung's processor right so Samsung is due to the numbers again so ARS technica did a really great takedown well not like a smackdown but they they went in and they verified that Samsung is telling all four cores of the Snapdragon 800 to max out whenever it sees certain apps and the apps that it happens to max out the the course for are all benchmarking apps like they managed to grab like the actual file on the JavaScript or the java java java java code not script got him an idiot and it's like literally like boost packages for boost all adjustments and the packages are quadrant quadrant quadrant GL benchmark GL benchmark Samsung benchmark Nina mark pass mark smart bench benchmark p I chainfire bench what's it wednesday what's significant about this is like if you're using the phone to do say play a game or something like that or do something intensive it will you know get its processor up to go you know these fat that fast as fast as it can go but after a while it hits a thermal limit and then as the thing heats up it will start to throttle back and it correct me if I'm wrong dieter but when it's using these cheats on these benchmark apps it essentially just ignores that throttle limiting and so it runs full throttle all the time no matter what temperature or thermal it limiting excuse me well I'm not positive if the thermal limit applies to this sort of thing but I can say that one I think you're recording broke down you should check that and two um sorry is going so diffused it yeah the main thing is like the way that these processors is supposed to interact with software is when software says hey I need power handy power the processor say yeah I give you some power I'm gonna wrap up to give you this much power and what Samsung is doing is it's not letting that natural flow of the software saying handy power it's just saying oh for this software we're giving you everything no matter what it's possible that a benchmark might not ask for all that power just like an applet and the really crazy thing is when they actually like they manage to like get around their fakery of the benchmarks and the note 3 still wins it still does better than the Optimus g2 which has got the same processor at the same clock speed like they didn't need to do this thing that they did they just did it but also at the end of the day like if you're if you're making a purchasing decision for a phone based on a benchmark scores yeah I need to reevaluate pretty much everything about your your your purchase dis line making but your help us about your entire life yeah I you know I mean like I can't think of a phone that's come out in the past 18 months that would not meet the needs of the overwhelming majority of the population there are like a few edge cases where an insane processor helps right but frankly like the gaming especially in Android is not to the point where this kind of stuff matters anyway so and we've talked about it before I think that the you know we've all kind of agreed that the bottleneck at this point is not a hardware but Android itself which is still stuttery despite OEM strong just insane hardware at it yeah um sorry I was just trying to look up the process hey can you guys see me my god we can't see you quite uh yeah you can't save me because of them free G now my home connection though went bonkers I was just going to add to chris's point um and like the Moto X is going to get beat on pretty much every single benchmark app by every other high-end phone on the market but when you actually use the device you know it's just fat it's plenty fast and responsive and right usable in everyday use so it's the thing that the benchmarks do not translate to experience experience does not necessarily translate to marks and the it's like like you were saying nobody goes into a store saying you know this phone scored three hundred more points on uh that that benchmark app that's the one for me so right why bother well people don't go into still saying that but they go websites on the internet and they start having easily don't even buy the thing like 20 page of conversations about it when was the last time you got ridiculously true that much is true yes I so know Vlad I'm sorry my liking uh yeah I believe you are oh yeah you're liking terribly okay well I'm your correspondent from across the ocean so that's probably to be expected okay well let me let me just give you like my thoughts on the milk free can I do that yeah I'll just do like a continuous rent and then we can stop the big butt well on the performance part i know they you know fluff the benchmarks and whatever but i think none of us as he could really care about it I found it really quick the not free in terms of a preparation the camera I think Samsung keeps making good cameras but with not free it's like crystal saying it really is that you know you take the picture it's there you review it's all very quick so very fluid one thing i noticed button up free was his display it really impressed me and I thought maybe that's because I've forgotten how good Super AMOLED from Samsung look but I think it was one of the websites do like really in depth display comparisons they looked at it and apparently it's a much improved Super AMOLED so my eyes weren't crazy there is actually a major improvement at least an improvement in Samsa congee with this new screen so that's one of the things that we stood out to me performance has always been strong with these flagship devices or pseudo flagship provides from sams but the screen is really improved and I'm a big fan of the milk free I'm with that if you're going to buy something that free test based phone isn't denote freeze the one to get I agree I wonder how long until adheres that I agree with hopefully soon I was just gonna like go back to rap on the processing what was the last time you guys got like deeply excited about a processor bomb like like you're like oh my god this is going to change my life this is I remember thank you so much to me I remember thinking that the jump from dual core 2 quad core would be a significant difference and then every limb innate Android lag and then it didn't happen and I got over it pretty quickly there was a time when Chris Ely refused to own any phone that wasn't quad core I don't remember I think you're making that up no it's totally dude it's in the it's in the Virgin Mobile show archives I swear to God I actually said that I went by any fun that was in quad core yes did I did I demand a commit a companion core no I kind of camera with the phone was that you're like no I have to own this phone because its quad-core than he had it for a week I like I don't know if I've ever been more excited for processor bump that I was for the visor platinum again with the handspring not Elizabeth his jump through 20 megahertz dragon bald with 33 megahertz Dragon Ball that's uh that's impressive that is a when motorola was still making that's a 65-percent jump yeah look I mean if I'm gonna if I'm gonna troll you for 4 quad-core I'll troll myself with the visor an affair no I I think for me it was I mean isn't it also kind of crazy how this piece of advanced concert eyes is like I'm joining you guys that I'm really enough but he's like running around the streets of London are you riding on the streets of London right is this a remote this is just like I honestly I'm on this train because I can get no reception at home so I need to step out into the street you know to get some free wheel like you're in the blair witch project right now you're about to be murdered whoa and i love video puts a mother to 1000 this there's a light immediately above me is it's not terribly flattering is it okay that's amazing all right so i can just be you know a pretty face now I guess the ballot is you you're always a pretty faith to me yet I get soaked through tall you vote speeds speeds and feeds so seriously um well I'm not typically we're talking about two point three gigahertz quad-core process with these new Snapdragon 800 and it's actually kind of shocking to me because at the beginning of this year when Qualcomm was soaking up the Snapdragon 800 I thought that would be one of those really SH really high-end parts are you going to see in tablets and things like that but not really in flagship phones whereas never got it in the LG g2 we've got it in the galaxy note that i'm talking to you from and we'll go to in this experience at one so quite a few companies have managed to get these chips in there and it's kind of surprising to me that's power efficient enough to be in a phone well I mean Samsung has never seen a processor speed bump that it didn't like right and it's just like if they're doing it everybody else got to do what I mean LG catches wind and LG can't not do anything that Samsung does so i guess i'm i'm not totally shocked that they've managed to cram them into phones i am totally shocked they've managed to do it and the battery life isn't completely terrible well it should be noted that the g2's got a 3000 milliamp hour battery in the denote three he's got 3,200 million power battery so it's like a big phone big battery big battery life um so let if if your connection manages to hold up and you look amazing right now and the portrait is pretty cool too I gotta say you're just so dark and like the shadows on your face it's incredible um can you tell us what the galaxy gear because you reviewed that and I think universally everybody agrees with you on this thang product yeah it's trying to find the right adjective to summarize it i don't think the single one committee can really do it I mean isn't such an emotional rollercoaster the first day I got the gear i can say that i felt in and out of like with it because actually started liking it because of the camera on this thing and maybe i can like demo it i'm holding back okay I've got the gear on my hand and I'm holding the note yeah okay I don't got two hands so this should work okay there it is so you go to the camera that's attached in the strap and this is for me the best thing about the gear because it takes some fun photos it takes some decent photos surprisingly so I thought it would be just kind of like a front-facing camera on the phone but it's significantly better than that and the thing can make take phone calls you know your focus stay in the pocket and you can carry on phone close with the gear and that's where the list of post is pretty much ends it's a big clunky it's overpriced every time I go to the bathroom he gets too far away from the phone and it vibrates because loss is Bluetooth connection which then basically means you have watch you have digital watch with a camera and because two hundred ninety nine dollars which is just crazy to me I think how much is an ipod touch like you can get a pretty decent ipod touch for that amount of money aren't you yeah i think you can get the top on my catcher either the middle of the top one yeah BRB buying an ipod touch and i'm pretty sure you could probably buy like a cheap washing machine or something like that i mean there's so much you can do with that money if i had numbers i have no idea who would want to waste it on a gear by two pebbles one one for each wrist you can buy a 32 gigabyte it that's a beautiful comparison yeah 32 game at high-end ipod touch 4 yeah so okay the pebble is a beautiful comparison from them because what the gear actually told me is how many good ideas that pebble actually has and how could it actually is because i've seen a lot of reaction at least on twitter where people are connecting the gear to apple and I saying samsung want to pre empty i watch imaginary or real and hurry the product out before it was ready for market etc said sure what a strategic coup by Apple and that's just really tenuous what I really think this tells us about industry is that the pebble is a right way to go you know II displays more power efficiency because the gear it lasts a day if you use it properly okay you might lasts like 24 hours and then you start recharging again it's just like the smartphones and the thing is you had to do a little convincing to get me to switch to a smartphone from a feature phone because I actually liked having fun the last like three or four days between colleges I mean Chris will recall when we took in when i was talking about wanting to know them to knock it East 63 yes I do remember this very house I wasn't I was an ill-advised youth and Chris did all really happy okay he told me to go and do it I did but yeah I think it's the same way with these watches they don't really provide that much extra functionality so they should at least try and retain some of the strengths of a basic normal watch that you can have and that's what level does so well it's pretty light it has much longer battery life whereas the gear tries to give you apps in the app so just a freaking joke because they're like no you can see okay lion the Japanese messaging app it's quite popular internationally now and there's somebody walking get us at extreme Oh God okay but with the line messaging app i get a message from Sam my colleague in Japan and I can't reply to him on the gear I can just send him a sticker so he can talk to me I can't talk you can see sticker stickers from the galaxy gear do not buying it come on that's yeah so what exactly glad was reviewing it i also had one to use with the note 3 for the past few days and everything of Lana said is a hundred percent on point and his review is entirely accurate but I will say that the the number one thing that drove me nuts on the gear was the fact that it would buzz my wrist and tell me that I had an email and it would show the gmail notification and that's all it would tell me it wouldn't give me a subject and wouldn't tell me who it was from it wouldn't tell me if it was important or not the only thing I could do be tap the screen which would tap the icon and would then go to the phone would then open up the email app and show me this stuff I need you to know which means that I had to pull the phone out of my pocket every single time so it was just like you know there's a lot to be said for the fact that like something like the pebble or other watches don't let you respond to notifications but at least they give me enough information that I can make a judgment call if it's an important thing or not so literally every PR email would buzz my wrist and then I would have to look at my phone to see if it was important enough to take action on which was like I'd rather not have the notification my rest at all yeah that's exactly and I think a lot of the commenters on a review got the point about it it's supposed to be a companion device supposed to be a device that lets you not take the phone out of your pocket but if the scenario the damage is described is exactly it makes you have to take the phone out ok you know so you could you could maybe justify the price if it really was the kind of thing that saves you from bringing the phone out of your pocket out of your clutch or whatever man purse you have going on you know you can keep that device in there and do a bit of triage with your watch that would be brilliant if you could do it but you can't so the other thing is something tries to you know make this into a stylish device into fashion device a fashion accessory etc but it's not pretty enough to justify how dumb it is and it's not smart enough to justify how ugly it is well and like that is really exact work the pedometer you said does it work very well and the modesty I haven't used that many parameters so maybe do kind of shitty but this one was just atrocious like some of them are okay you wave your hand in the air and you gain eight steps and it's like well that right you know well the other thing is like the isn't there's a hassle with it actually like displaying the time right yeah ok so the pebble has a beautiful wrist flick like it works all the time and it's immediate well over a mistake screen is displaying this it's displaying it all the time at the wrist flick only turns on the backlight right exactly exactly great point but if Samsung to just recreate the exact same Rick I'd be perfectly happy it's just that it doesn't it wants you to raise the arm rather than flick your wrist and then there's a one or two seconds like well not to second but like almost a one-second delay before it shows you the time which is ridiculous because when you want to check the time you want to do it as quickly as possible or not think about it well not let anybody know you're doing that's the whole reason I wear watches I want people to know i'm bored so i can just glance at it without anybody knowing yeah yeah as wide noted the delay is is killer on the gear like I would the he explains this in his video but you you gesture as you lift it up like this and then it turns on but you lift it up and then be 120 there we go that's the time which is like absolutely insane do not like all right the only thing about Samsung I guess is they released a gold-colored s4 which is like golden pink gold and pink cool job guys but we should we should we should talk about that just momentarily because Samsung had to clarify very explicitly that they announced that it's a for like over twenty seventh and got into stores by September eight so Apple clearly obviously patently so please answer I would just like to get that on the record on samsung Seahawks how many how many gold the s4 is did you buy Chris zero and I'm gonna I'm gonna stand by that number because it's it's a an affront to to all that is is good and pure and anyone who buys or considers buying a gold 5s should feel bad about themselves five srs for ya es force oh sorry I have the 5s on mind I definitely didn't buy any galaxy s coordinate if and what color five of us did you get the slate gray which by the way I was talking with Josh about this the other day I think there was a lot of like consternation about the fact that they went from black to a less black black with the 5s I actually think it looks better because it's like gunmetal now it's pretty disagree I disagree completely the thing the thing with the original iphone 5 black is it looks so cool like it was like murdered out I remember we've all first thought we were like oh my god that looks amazing all murdered out black and it had like the chamfers had just like that just right enough like catching the light bleeds and now you look at it and it's just a great phone and it's like it may be more durable I'm sure it is they will chip and we're off as much but the murdered-out iphone 5 black iphone 5 is still better-looking might be until you get to like day three and it's now silver instead of black because it's all of the chamber has been shipped away right yeah that being says how do you manage to get back to talking about iphones again even though it always happens my only initiative and renews and with my only goal on this on this show and on every show really is to turn the conversation to the iphone guy i just wanna I need to point out that some some account retweeted my tweet about Vlad broadcasting from the street and I got insanely excited a second ago until I actually clicked through that it was not in fact the real justin bieber who retweeted me but i just saw the alert justin bieber retweeted your tweet so that would have meant that justin bieber would have been following you to see that well he was would've been following the verge let's yeah let's be very clear if Justin Bieber had retweeted that tweet it probably would have brought down the verge I understand we have we have terrific infrastructure powering our site but Justin Bieber has like a 7.5 billion Twitter followers we would not have been able to stay up I just would have quit I mean I just like the yeah you've kind of it just you just think about what that would have done for your Klout score oh my god did you guys see the amazing picture of Justin Bieber being carried up the great wall china no no so apparently he was at the base he's in china on unto her he was at the base of the great wall china and he's like I want to go to the top of the Great Wall of China but I don't feel like walking up there so he had his bodyguards literally carry him to the top and and then set him back down and there oh my god I'm internet it's amazing oh my god this ridiculous anyway we don't have to spend too much longer time I jointed like use just a beard going up pretty well China as a segue to something but I got nothing um we should talk about we were complain about cameras earlier we should talk about the xperia z 1 z 1 and mostly the big feature the big thing is the camera here and this is another one yours in the plan yeah tell me about the third one yeah I think I just launched another rent so we don't do the whole BBC correspondent from the other side of the world thing those interviews actually quite brilliant you listen to the radio and it's like so tell us about any other person interjects and then the other person poses and then first person for this anyway the z1 ok well i think i think a big part of it is kind of talk to you by the name because it still has experienced that name of the phone that came out six months ago so at least on the outside is almost identical with just a little bit bigger and sometimes done a few upgrades but really is taken the phone it already has and just tried to an has to try to make it better and it's cool posturing again so you don't feel like such a creep just hit smug but you know i am mobile and this is my name's rosamma passing myself one of my neighbors some mobile so technically this is like how the first mobile show should be happen alright so the said one so it has a 20 megapixel camera and the first complained i would have about any 20 megapixel cameras why wasted nobody wants way megapixel pictures you can't even do 20 megapixel pictures that are good enough so don't do that and I Sony preempted that complaint and what it does is it all samples and does a megapixel photos using the 20 megapixel sensor which gave it was like for me so it's kind of a pure vu PureView ask so fed to some degree yeah yeah i mean nokia obvious a 41 is like two times 20.7 but nokia the only thing locate is left to do nowadays just talk trash doesn't have a product so I mean anyway I don't want to bring showdown talking about nokia so I mean the camera the camera is actually I kind of complained about its inconsistency last week which I still think it's fair is inconsistent but having spent more time taking more photos with it it actually can do some really impressive things ages I don't know I guess you kind of have to work it a little bit more you kinda have to get used to the new UN's because the other thing with smartphone cameras is that every one of them has its strengths and weaknesses depending on how the guy structure the software and sort things out so over time as you get used to your device you might notice oh that your photos improve you know so you might get used to samsung strengths and weaknesses you might get used to so many strengths and weaknesses cetera but I can see how you know if people versus the time with this experience at one that can get some really nice and satisfying folks I mean female say is if you really really just want an awesome camera should go to the Lumia 1020 and azita says abandon or email that will probably resolution but said I think it's a good phone uh five inches is still too big for me and no i didn't i'm very picky I've engine still too big to me and I think so is going in the wrong direction by making it thicker and taller and things are that the display out of a disappointment to right yes it is but well it is to everybody else it isn't to me because more for me to be disappointed by sony mobile display i will need to I should be good and I reviewed every Sony flagship over the past I know what it's for years and every single time my complaint has been if they could just put a good display on this is they just put a goodness wearing this would be in business research I think the only so many smart phone that didn't bother me with sony ericsson xperia mini and i was because I had like a fringe displaying it didn't really matter anyway the Xperia mini is a finer points raising the boys out on every show because his beautiful shell it deserves up an enemy depot yes it approached yeah um but funny thing i wanted to say about these everyone is that it continues the whole waterproof phone thing from Sony which I'm a big supporter of I want everybody to follow that trend and also sony has improved by opening up the headphone jack so now you no longer have that pretty pretty annoying plastic cover on top of it so it's a waterproof phone an Oakland headphone jack you can use it in the shower this one I didn't try in the shower but it is it's good you know you don't worry about what you have to worry about thus you can actually give it to you builder friends which I have a few of and they all say I can't use a smartphone because I'm your reference I'm sorry whined that a bit your what front of friends people who work in constructions it was so let me get this right you're walking around the streets of London in the middle of the night right now you're giving phones to build her friends so something sounds a little shady here are you in the mob Vlad well I look like I am don't I write a little bit I could make a hoodie joke here but i'm gonna let it pass um yeah that's what I'm saying oh my god don't don't there we go see now I almost look like Aaron Harrison yeah you're uh what yeah you're getting chilly it's over now yeah well it's also the middle of the night serious concerns about your safety Vlad is all I'm saying now dude I'm the most dangerous thing in this area which is legit which actually tells you how safe it is is this is why I'm happy to live here it's Oh mommy's with strollers and things like that it's like the one nice area London I'm are alerting you by better I think they already beat you to it ah I don't know yes I beat you vs and by the way I'm carrying on every mobile show from out here on the street from now on it's together you should turn your phone sideways they'll give us give us the landscape you there okay can we lost care couple yeah i just broke hangouts go hang out ah um dan have you played with the the cyber-shot the qx10 the qx100 these crazy anna i haven't played with the qx10 i played with the qx100 which is no no I got that backwards I didn't play with the qx100 I played with the qx10 which is the one with the big zoom right in the smaller size sensor and you know David review them this week and they show a lot of potential a lot of promise ah because you can get great photos with them and you can actually get photos with them that you can't get with your smartphone camera but the execution on them kind of everything just falls apart on that it just takes too long to get the thing out of your bag or your pocket or whatever connected to your phone get the app open and take your picture at that point you know your moment is already long gone and read the picture with a regular camera or your smartphone so so kind as always in their defense so sorry within the defense i've also used the qx10 and i think everybody seems to be making that mistake of calling the cue extend the qx100 it's kind of a mess but it's a lower-end model the cheaper model i also use that and i have to say you know no disagreement with the issues of the guys had in the US but it's just a lot of fun like practicalities set aside everybody who used the qx10 or all saw it or played around with it they smiled it made people smile I mean Tom Warren Microsoft's loving colleague I mean he he was just grinning you know he was playing around with it and it was grinning is really enjoying it and is this thing that everybody emphasizing their marketing which is to delight the user and everybody wants to do it but it's very rare to see that and I really enjoyed playing around with it maybe that maybe that's like a knob booty a sensation that was off all the time I don't know but everybody has seen play around with these lenses is really enjoyed the whole experience so I think as a gadget and as a thing to play around with it can be a lot of fun it sounded from our review like David actually I can't believe he did this but it sounded like he actually threw the lenses in the air and took pictures while they were spinning in the air which I like I would not trust myself to catch it again without damaging it but it sounds like a lot of fun yeah the remote the remote viewfinder thing is really really cool really that's a nice a point it up and improve the software on it that's the problem like I I'm really into this idea if they executed well and what's the point I was going to make earlier is like we've been talking about camera sensors like off and on this whole show and it seems like nobody has any complaints about the sensors themselves anymore and obviously the sensors on these things are amazing but just like the software I've ranted about this last week you like stop everything and just fix the software and this time it's not the like processing software it's the actual like can you get the viewfinder up to take a picture fast enough software right well what's surprising to me I didn't expect this at all they're using literally the same app on the phone that they use with the the next series and the RX series which is a really featureless app like I expected that the app for the QX series would have you know like all the traditional controls associated with like a decent point shoot camera but in reality of PlayMemories mobile or whatever the heck it's called is just a viewfinder and a shoot button and like flash on off and that's it it's really basic right and if you're an iPhone user and you're using it and you're pairing with the lens it's because the iphone doesn't have NFC it has you have to manually jumpstart that connection to do the Wi-Fi ad hoc thing so it's it like another step that it takes to get the thing to talk to your phone yeah and I bought an X 6 on Dan's advice and I love it but I never used the Wi-Fi features more than once because I'm going through that process was such a fiasco that it just wasn't worth my time right especially when there's way better controls on you know the camera itself oh did you guys look at this picture the nexus 5 that went up last night I did and what do you think it looks nice looks fine it's got matte finish on it I'm really curious what this giant sensor lens on the camera this big huge circle around it that means anything maybe it's just aesthetics but like for all intents and purposes this is it this looks like it's just a g2 right that's what it seems though the rumors or whatever the the FCC leaks that have come out thus far put it at having a smaller screen than the g2 which is right a good thing yeah and fewer fewer back buttons also yes most importantly a distinct lack of back buttons but like I said would then review the g2 if you know Google just takes this thing fixes the button issue and keeps most everything else the same and then installs Android 4.4 KitKat with no embellishments on it then it would be a really great device now oh hello John career just posted a link to your Galaxy gear review congratulations um you got firewalled yeah so I mean we're expecting this in October right the nexus 4 is basically sold out everywhere i think google said the google is not bringing it back Google's not bringing it back KitKat they've announced KitKat it's android 4.4 which I still am kind of bummed that it's not five but whatever so we're looking like we're like this month we're thinking does anybody else think it's October I think we're gonna get pushed in november this year together will certainly make sense there's a plane flying orange wire Vlad is now at Heathrow no I am in London I wrote an entire report about this London is the most nice polluted location in Europe as far as airplane noises concern you did write a report about it and it did very well we got a lot of interest and commentary on that and that post yeah I mean I it certainly would make sense to see the nexus 5 get announced and even released this month there do they don't have an another phone that they're selling right now except for the google play editions unless last year what actually over a year from where the nexus 4 was originally planned to be announced because it was originally scheduled to be announced an event that happened to coincide with hurricane sandy uh all right new york city so it actually ended up getting pushed back so that was the end of September so so we're a full year on from the Nexus force originally planned announcement so yeah we're definitely do for something yeah wow you know that actually reminds me when they will announce in the Galaxy Nexus I think that yeah that was a time when Steve Steve Jobs side and they actually bumped their event back by two weeks so they seem to have really unfortunate track record of planning the next Nexus and then something horrendous hat so thanks for sitting something bad happen yeah and then two weeks from when that bad thing happens new Nexus right well we just had the government shutdown so there's that uh oh good point um I don't know what man there's so much crap that we could talk about that I don't know we need to um well we should let's talk about blackberry we got to get into the so they they had their they made their q2 results official they wrote off a billion dollars on the z10 they wussed out they chickened out of having the investor call where people could actually asked Orson Hines questions directly they just put out the results in a press release and that's it they're probably going to get bought or not bought but go private with this this weird company forget his name but then I think it was who was it Globe and Mail yeah in paper yeah they wrote a big like super long report on like some of the boardroom drama that's been happening about every within blackberry basically since like since we wrote our big long history of what went wrong at blackberry like what's been going on since like the shake-up with both silly and lettuce and and that and dan I know you've got a lot of feelings and thought ah well I first want to say that you know out of that report there was some really actually interesting stuff that came out that the fact that this wasn't known before but apparently uh Balsillie had a plan to take BBM to the various carriers around the world was kind of no replace their SMS service Lisa wasn't known to me and we I guess it wasn't was talking to some people but we didn't know the depth of what it was he was planning and this is what's so interesting is like he wasn't just gonna release a BBM app on all the platforms he wanted to like partner with carriers for it and call it SMS 2 point 0 which is what's so hilarious it's like you know BlackBerry's solution is to to like the app explosion is to take their service and I thi more tightly with carriers instead of flat left because we're talking about blackberry I don't blame him to like partner with the carriers and like try and like get a revenue stream that way instead of like going directly to consumers and then like he basically got like run out based on this plan like it we knew it was we kind of a suspected it was like that and there had been some Hinson reports that it was related to that but it's like really like he had a pretty ambitious plan that I think could have done something interesting for them and they like nope goodbye were we're gonna you know try and sell the consumers again one last time and it cost him a billion dollars and the company yeah I just felt like this whole this whole report went really easy on both silly and Lazarus and really hard on Heinz who has been CEO of the company for a year and a half now prior to that the coat they were co-ceos for a decade or whatever um and pretty much the entire thing pins all the blame on uh on Heinz and all the things that he's done since 2012 and blackberry is I just find it so hard to believe BlackBerry's a Titanic and Lazarus steered it into an iceberg and like you know what you don't get to be captain anymore you kind of steered us into an iceberg and then Leslie it's like no no you shouldn't release the z10 first you should release the q10 first because our brand is built on physical keyboards and that stupid not to do the other thing like no no we were wrong and like plus we just might have been right about that like him saying they should have released a black keyboard version of the keep the the blackberry 10 that the q10 instead of the all touch screen version is like him saying you know that deck chair it should go over there it's exactly over there that's exactly right the deck chair looks way better on that side of it I don't even know that it does actually write tonight in that case though because you know the q10 isn't exactly flying off the shelves ah no you know it's like it's not it's not a galaxy s4 selling device or an iphone 5 selling device or whatever it is like a blackberry hasn't told us exactly how many cute ends its old but there's been lots of anecdotal evidence that nobody is buying them just like nobody was buying the c10 uh terms of capitalizing on what little goodwill you have left like that's how you do it that's how you get a little bit of life jump back into it and I don't like the q10 I think that it feels the kitchen took a long time to get to market as well didn't it yeah it did is it took a while and it was easy i think it took like a few months after announcement and there was some there was some drama going on there too that we never really heard anything about but we were given the review unit for the q10 literally I think months over the ATT version of the q10 literally months before was released on 80s and I I never understood or found out why that was I don't know if it was held up if there was like a verification bland 18 tease network or if there was some other like business related drama that we didn't hear about but something was holding it up well beyond a burger with like ready to release I know exactly what was holding it up the the guy who was in charge of giving final approval to the q10 at 80 was trying to triage his email on a keypad and just couldn't do it and lost he can you please make this thing live email in his eyes because he was using the q10 I honestly I honestly wonder if now that we know for sure that the c10 is at was absolutely not selling I honestly wonder if 18 he was like we haven't sold any of ec tens why should we be selling the q10 yeah and that that could have could have delayed it but I think back to the global mail thing you know I if if you read through it it's so easy on las Sirena's that I it's almost as if he goes throughout the report I mean it's like it talks all about how you know there's all this innovation that they had and all these great things that he did and stuff and then you know they pass over the company to fell apart and is like well it didn't really happen that way because it was falling apart really quickly really for a long time I waited until 2010 to invest in a competitor to the iPhone the iPhone had been on the market for three years already well lettuce was almost certainly a primary source for that piece in fact he he may have gone to the globe and mail and said hey you guys should be writing like a real story about what happened cuz you know keeping my little is well Oliver let me tell you the real story right i mean less Rinus leather eNOS is like very interested I mean he's like a pretty big figure still in and around Waterloo I'm sure that he has a lot of interest in like setting his legacy and I'm sure that he thought that like you know helping to inform accurately or inaccurately this 10,000 word feature in Canada's I think largest newspaper i'm not mistaken what was a good start on that you know there was there was just some really strange things all throughout it like it said that you know that when the iphone was released in 2007 to blue them awakes ahead to processors which unless you're counting like a modem and a pry the actual like processor is two different things I don't understand and they also said the iphone launched without email which again I don't really understand and then it said that they launched blackberry or BBM messenger for iOS and Android which never actually happened because they screwed it all up and and now it's delayed and nobody knows what exactly it's going to watch so there's a lot of things that report that that made me go hmm hmm yeah um I don't know about you guys maybe it's like a thing to do with my lag over here but the entire blackberry story just bores me to tears Thank You Ike I can't even get excited about it I mean we we kind of know that he was complacency from those top guys that drag things down and now we just I mean it is it's a sad story as well because we spend if you remember this is episode 64 you remember one of our running things with the show was we'll say something positive about blackberry one day and I don't think that's ever going to happen so now coming back to it and like looking at the CEOs and how they trying to cover up their reputations or rebuild them or whatever is yeah I guess I guess I just fluctuate between being bored and being sad but just very briefly while I have the leg advantage over here and on the topic of dying companies I just wanted to remind people that no key is also holding an advantage of Tober and hopefully provided they allow me to get over there I'm going to go and attend it and look at what Bucky has to show not a week it's no everyone everybody pretty much anticipates that yeah it's a nokia world i mean that basically tells you nike to stop doing knock it was like a couple years ago and now they're just branding this event nokia world because pretty much going to be their last big event you know that is anticipating this enormous lumia 1520 Abu Dhabi that's right daddy I don't know why we mentioned in the location like people gonna go to him something oh yeah I'm just gotta grab the papo launch events usually happen in specific locales that are relevant to their markets that they serve and and generally they're in big western cities I don't I can't think of any other tech event that we've been invited to or covered that's been in Abu Dhabi so I mean that's kind of a welding note to me I mean you know it is it's sort of it may be that Microsoft is gonna have to pay this bill eventually so damn the torpedoes we can spend whatever we lie let's just a counter a counterpoint to that the Galaxy Nexus which we were talking about earlier was was launched in announced tin in Hong Kong of all of all places without that was that was delayed it was supposed to be announced it yeah but that's right but that doesn't mean you know like that didn't mean that you need to send the entire world technology press to Hong Kong although there was an event was there an event in Hong Kong that it coincided yeah there was a no things the up right there that's what it was yes so I guess it means and they decided to coincide with it Yeah right hey born with that eventually should I give you guys in the inside a story in there yes please do I don't think we have a choice okay lolu okay well with the Galaxy Nexus because I actually went to that event and what happened is that it was just as the verge was setting up to launch was like a couple of weeks ahead of it and well basically everybody thought that we had an exclusive on the Galaxy Nexus because I just turned up to the event really early and they just had the phone out and they'll take me some professional photos of it and I just grabbed some photos and some video of it and yeah Wow everybody else was scrambling later on we just had all the stuff in advance and we just look pretty smart and professional warriors kind of like I've had breakfast of got nothing else to do just go to the event and as usual it was disorganized as the messy and we profited from that glad you were supposed to let our viewers believe that we were given an exclusive on the Galaxy Nexus is blue car before before the village even existed it was like hey Google flag was the flat dozen football you don't give glad exclusives he takes six by force uh yeah so glad I have a very important question for you when you're in Abu Dhabi are you going to reenact the scene from a mission impossible ghost protocol where they're there they're like outside the the Burj Khalifa isn't that Dubai are they the same place by being that ignorant I have a more important question will you see nirmal when you're there already made that joke on Twitter yes take that back all right I think Dan's right about Dubai and the Burj Khalifa and yeah I don't anticipate I'll be rappelling down any skyscrapers if anything myself until more my share a hot tub but that's probably gonna be the most adventurous thing with you oh yeah you're right Bert yeah burj khalifa is in dubai not every day huh my dad just stuck with the normal joke man that ladies and gentlemen is the verge mobile show we want to thank you so much for watching if you 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