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greetings mobile accomplishes welcome to the verge mobile show we are here and we're looking at the all new google hangouts interface which doesn't give me a countdown which is awesome so we're starting we're live I am dieter bohn I'm glad 7 i'm dan seifert and we are broadcasting without mr. Cruz Ziegler although rumor has it that as a situation which will be resolved in short order so let's hope fingers crossed how you guys don't I can't stay this new interface man it's so bad it's like I mean we've been in to blame him Chris delaying us but the truth is we spent the past 20 min screwing around any hangouts the effects on Johnny's face yep yeah the effects that cool talked up in its announcement and press releases and all this stuff are like terrible like they're just amateur hour all over the place and this new interface is just bad so I've ended okay well I think the thing to do is just start talking about this ritual if you got'em it's really a bummer we don't have course you're doing pretty sure he doesn't have one okay so they they announced the thing we reviewed the thing we review in case you you are listening to the audio only one and we're terrible we were talking about the Nexus 5 and we held it all up so yeah so they announced nexus 5 on kind I don't even know what day it was anymore was a Thursday I'm so faithless it wasn't Halloween Halloween or said other's birthday happy birthday dad and man this hair is just one railing on my processor unbelievable so thursday 31st it is 349 off contract for the 16 gig version and 399 for the 32 gig version so that's one right yep that's right the black one is way better than the white one yeah I agree yeah what a come on that's much better I don't know what I say this and I've been outside the white wine phones but the way it's like an off-white it's got glossy sides it wears them black one or mat and it's got this stupid accent for the earpiece in the middle of the thing and I just rather the black ones better and just what are you showing off that it matches your gallop your gear or lots of pebble nevermind yeah Yuki's was born again I'll day you yes I would like to point out that the white Nexus 5 and the white pebble I pretty much made for each other like so your say some white pebble is actually an off-white and not really white well nothing is really white just like nothing I mean what were you being pedantic I get enough pedantry for my paddle in the UK team and I would get you and podcast come on man give me a break no but seriously Sam say we really wanted to make an underline the point about the galaxy gear and the Galaxy Note free be made for each other and the two really had nothing to do with one another but the nexus 5 in white which isn't actually why it's like it's got more black on it than white and the pebble which also is a really perfectly why it has a whole bunch of black exited parts on it so they're like 5050 black and white there is a perfect match they're beautiful together okay but but the thing I'll say is you guys are probably right i haven't touched the black one but everybody's been saying the black Nexus 5 is better so it is it all comes down to the fact that the sides of this 10 glossy whereas the black one they're mad and that's really a difference Matt always beats closely yeah so they announced it at an event in San Francisco it was kind of a strange event I wasn't a big public unveiling it was just a small room with some precedent and then a little hands-on area and I was there my was our David Pierce and I did the hands-on and I guess we should talk about that hands-on because all of Google+ is ridiculously pissed off of me and it did not like your dieter dude so I mean the first thing I'll say is I said I I did I made did make a mistake in the hands on and I will cop to it I made two mistakes mistake number one as I said that Android cameras are traditionally bad but really what I should have said as nexus cameras are traditionally bad and then you know I was just it was fast because it was a weird room and I was trying we're trying to get the video up and I needed to run and go interview people and so it was just short and I didn't spend a lot of time with it but people were pissed off of me because I thought I came off as unenthused but here's the thing and I didn't like get into it with everybody on google+ and on twitter and in our comments because when people be mad people just stay mad I I think I've been getting death threats which is awesome it's been a long time since I've gotten death threats for a hands-on and wasn't really that wrong about the scrolling it's way better than it is on most android phones but it's still a little bit you know it's not perfect on Chrome uh but I mean that said it's totally fine but you know it's this like when when the new Nexus phone comes out we kind of have like high hopes and dreams that the things that have been bugging us about Android are going to get fixed and I'm like you laser focused on those things and so I was laser-focused on are they finally going to make scrolling feel like as great as they promised are they finally in a fixer camera and are they finally going to give me you know a phone a nexus phone in particular with really really solid battery life and the scrolling is better it's not totally perfect the camera is it's better than the nexus 4 there's no getting around that dude it's better better than the next four that's like the worst thing you could posit it's the faintest of praise but if you are comparing year-over-year Nexus device to the Nexus device I think it's actually saying to say again faintest the phrase that it's the best camera on any Nexus device to date but as you've noted numerous times already Nexus devices are not really known for having great cameras it's like really purchase like owning the fastest RV at the campground Wow so I mean google has told that there is a software update coming that should help with some things but I mean the camera software itself is like this this standard camera software it's pretty lackluster it does take a while to focus and you know the pictures I don't know it's the low-light performance is not what it should be no but there's a number of issues but I think the best way to describe it is that I feel insecure when I'm shooting with the Nexus 5 yeah which is to say I spent some time shooting saturday morning i think it was around london and you know being a morning in London you weren't getting a ton of light but what end up doing was every shot every thing that a frame-up I'll take like four or five attempt at because government doesn't like once it focuses doesn't take that long to grab an extra few pictures but it's the fact that you feel the need to take a shot multiple times just in case something went awry and it often does and it's just it's just weird I mean there's a lack of quality time I just took the original show i just posted to google plus i've seemed appropriate continue so you just need to rub to me because you posted the goo plus we're pretty much nobody is oh boy they're gonna burn you down Vlad okay we're gonna need to have a discussion about this whole over reaction but we can't we just did I said that I wasn't as enthusiastic as I could have been on the thing yeah but it doesn't put like I've seen comments the regulator's coming in hi Chris hey Chris we all have X's fives where's yours hello can you hear me now yeah yes fantastic I do not have a nexus 5 and I'm I but here's the thing i'm not real do not own a lamp look do you want more light do you want to see the the right side of my face is that what's going on there i can hold hold the smartphone tax burden light come on is it is that better you're fine which you're totally you're right you're you're a handsome devil so I need to I realize I'm sorry to let all of our listeners and Watchers and on this sausage making that's going on right now but I'm not recording this uh nope I need to set up some recording one second the important thing I apologize to everybody for this nonsense okay anyway I'm sorry you were talking about something very interesting when I came in the main time and again let me just add a few technical notes on our bitching about the next spot camera so there's a lack of contrast there's a lack of saturation and biggest problem there's a lack of sharpness wait is this is this on the Nexus 5 or the nexus 4 cuz it you could be describing either well I mean they already made that joke Chris this is what i was saying we're approaching this from the wrong direction when we say the nexus 5 cameras bed in the next four camera that's like a distinction between shades of really nasty great I that's not the thing that we should be talking about i think the Nexus 5 is much more mature device to the Nexus book particularly because here's o te and it has the best processor inside of that you can get on the market at the moment so it sounds a value for money does the thing I mentioned it one of the articles I wrote about it this thing here in the UK is competing against device like a blackberry q5 and it's only something like 30 pounds more than the samsung galaxy s galaxy ace free so I mean it's like do you go and get like galaxy s free an older generation samsung galaxy or do you get the latest nexus with tio te and the KitKat and we have trinkets to come in what's the difference between the galaxy a3 and the galaxy s4 mini I couldn't have knows I mean matter i don't like as far as I've descend we don't want to know the difference those are just things you should be looking at like if you're looking at that sort of budget range you might as well just start looking at knock his ashes devices it's that's fair yeah cuz that cuz those are pretty I do want to like I do want to praise the hardware the first impression that this Harbor goes it's kind of like yeah it's fine and like I don't know why the camera ring is so big and that's right this little like aluminum thing and it doesn't nice design touch the buttons the buttons are I think it's too it's just funny looking the buttons are ceramic which I mean Matthias torrid I talk to us a little bit about this when I do find them to be a little bit sharp but the more you live with it the more doesn't just feel like a generic big phone and the more it feels like I don't know it just it gets out of the way it's it's very just simple and unassuming and I mean I think the word I'd use is handsome um I would agree with you it's like it's like a slightly less stunningly good looking Don Draper you know it's it's very it's very nice and it's instinctive that with it and yeah I mean but it's I mean it has character I mean the thing to notice is I compare it to the Nexus 7 and you can see like Google's decided what it wants Nexus devices to look like simple black unassuming soft touch plastic back and you know the word Nexus and lowercase letters in the back and this is what but yeah well but who would buy a white one I mean seriously um me I bought one about a black one so here's what bothers me it's it's not a the nexus 5 looks again I'm speaking as someone who has not touched this device but I think we can all agree that from the you know from the reviews that I've read and from the experiences that all of you have had it's not the best camera on phone right right and and so why can't we just have the nexus experience in an uncompromisingly high-end experience like why is that too much to ask for is it is that is that the is that the role that gpe is designed to fill or is there room for a high-end nexus well I mean that's the thing is the the nexus one of the things that defines what a nexus is these days is price and if you're going to sell a phone for 350 bucks that is got some top end specs I mean the screen is great that's super light it's lighter the nexus 4 even though it has a bigger screen you know they like everything about the like hardware quality and feel this phone is really good it's not as primo as an HTC One but it's you know it's in the ballpark if you're gonna get a phone to that price and like that hitting that price is super important to you at some point something has to give and it looks like with the nexus 5 it was probably the camera but the alternative it's one that both myself and Dan have lusted after was something like a nexus pro so put it put an extra two hundred dollars on the on the Sphinx price then you actually go to match the iphone 5c price unlocked and stick a great camera on it and a great battery and then everybody is just going to go nuts but here's my alternate theory to that which is that google actively wants to avoid having the label of being the absolute best android phone because that would be problem for gu insofar as google's relationship with OEMs like samsung LG etc i completely disagree i think we have this discussion with every single nexus phone that comes out and you know i don't think google sells enough of them to matter to samsung or HTC yeah it doesn't solve anything I think that's I think that Google wants out to change at the Nexus 5 I really doing I think they want to sell million of these things 10 million of these things I know I think they want it they want at least here in the US they're not going to do that at the Nexus 5's not in carrier stores I mean nowadays I guess because now it's with sprint you'll be able to get it for 150 bucks with a contract it's not a little stories i'm betting money it will be it might be into mobile stores you know but it's not on AT&T Verizon and let's be real that's where it needs to be to get a vm 10 millions figures of sales and it needs to be available for on a contract price for US consumers that are going to walk into a store and be like I want a new phone there's a iphone 5s for 199 and a gs4 for 199 etc etc uh that's where you're going to get those sales figures from otherwise it will be permanently a niche device especially if you have to order it online from google and an unlocked price yeah but then but imagine you wanted no they're gonna sell their best buys they're going to sell my best buys they're gonna have another retailers and imagine if you wanted to break that dynamic how would you do it well you try and like take it head on and like beat the carriers at their own game and that would that was the nexus one that strategy that work out very well and so their new strategy is just sell the thing for as cheaply as possible and I mean who knows I don't know that they're actually going to succeed but i think that with this phone in particular they want to succeed but but then what i was going to say is if you make that imaginary nexus pro if you make that Olsen phone it doesn't matter how niche the distribution is like all of us are going to cry to the high heavens about its awesomeness people going to find out what a mouthful spread people will make the effort to go and get the best absolutely untrue front but let me make the point man I mean I need like more than 20 seconds here okay with him please dear is interrupted me enough oh I'm like raging at you now but deters the one who keeps jumping in all I'm saying here is at the moment the LG g2 and the nexus 5 are very differentiated devices and as far as I'm concerned I can see good reason to spend the extra money to get the LG g2 because it's better camera because it's better battery and I can see good reason why I want to get the nexus 5 so for LG both of these phones are going to sell it has two strong phones if Google went and took the LG g2 spectra spec you know priced it at the lowest possible price which Google seems to be keen to do with every Nexus device and try to break even Google wouldn't literally be screwing with LG's business model whereas the LG right now is thriving it's getting older benefit of doing a Nexus device or brand equity that you get out of that annie has differentiation for his hyland i just don't think google really cares about the absolute high end it can leave that to the company's it just wants a baseline of a really good device at the lowest possible price I'm done how are you yeah so um battery life for we talked about it in the review of ran tests we everybody's got a bunch bunch of all been trying it I think what Josh said in the review is exactly right it is wildly inconsistent I will have it one day crap out after you know seven hours and then the next day it goes for 12 and then the next day it's back down to eight and I'm just sort of waiting to see where it's going to level out at and part of that is like heavy use thing that you do but you know I've been using this thing for a while now since Thursday and I like still have no idea where the battery is going to be added a pointed day like ever yeah so I'm i guess i had a charging earlier today um I will say I've made this point before but I think for me anyway it certainly found this to be the case with the nexus 4 in the Lumia 920 when you have a device that has wireless charging you tend to top it off more than if you did so like you know I have a cheap het even though I don't have any chief owns right now but G pad on my desk of a cheap at my bedroom of a cheap ad next my couch and you just naturally set the phone there and then you know over the course of day it ends up being close to a hundred percent Chris like I was no pads and lights I think we established that I have chris's condo is a store sales store for a cheap at scared like I'm like I'm going to get cancer any second from all this like constant power on being radiated with yeah I have a cheap ad and it does charge the nexus 5 but it also seems to get it really hot if I don't place it right and so I'm a little bit nervous about is I'm waiting for the official charger which will have the magnets to a design it because it's got magnets because this is today when I was hungry I'm telling right now I notice today when I was charging over USB that it was getting considerably warm while it was charging so I mean I don't know wasn't there a whole story he's been all started shipping that new charging pad no not yet it wasn't their whole story about how Qualcomm there's a new like there's some crazy new Qualcomm technology in the nexus 5 to reduce heat output from the radios yeah I sorry i was just playing a see if we could turn on Q&A but we can but if you have q's about nexus5 you should tweet at us I have q's I haven't used an exercise what do you want to know like should i buy one dude it's 349 I'm Chris you're an iOS fanboy so it like the the between this and an HTC One get the nexus 5 because the HTC one's camera is a beautiful experiment but it's no great shakes and you're not losing out that much here and the HTC one's battery is I think a little bit better than the nexus 5 but not enough to be appreciable and this feels you know just as nice in the hand I'll say I will say that this you know barring a major price reduction on the GEP GPE models like it completely like obviates them like why would anyone buy a GP EGS for our one when you have this for three hundred dollars less it's insane yeah if the price was like a hundred dollar difference I could you know justify spending a little more to get the one you know for the nicer build quality and the added features but at three hundred bucks it's just it's completely neutered the value yeah it's a non-starter yeah yeah but those are also agent Moto's you have to anticipate that come January come see yes we're gonna have a lot more alluring devices we live in a world where you just called five month old devices agent yeah they didn't wonder what June I think they hit you right the google editions yeah well yeah that's what I'm talking about yeah even even the the Brandon models though aren't that much older maybe April yeah so anyway I just want to put things in perspective for everybody here what else wrong I didn't know that would fit go in every single month so we haven't really talked about Kit Kat so at all ya know I was trying to you do Nexus 5 and then KitKat so I mean you know I put up a report today about about Kit Kat after having talked to a bunch of hundred guys so I have a you know a theory of it like there's KitKat and then there's KitKat on the Nexus 5 which are two slightly different things but very different thing so what's interesting is as of right now and nobody believes me about this for some reason including dan it's dude the nexus 5 launcher is only available on the Nexus 5 right now and Google doesn't hasn't said and hasn't I don't think is decided if they want to put it on anything else including the nexus 4 or google play edition devices they want to see how people like it that just sounds so insane to me that the fact that it's like would be on the Nexus 5 and not on the Nexus 4 or the nexus 7 or any other Nexus device for that matter like it just it's it's hard for me to wrap my head around it may I mean that's what they told you and I don't disbelieve that that's what they told you and everything I just feel like it's one of those things that in a couple weeks when the nexus 4 is 4.4 update arrives it's just going to be there yes I see this going one of a few ways i mean if if they do in fact keep it exclusive to the nexus item even if they put on the nexus 4 i mean the thing to realize is that the nexus is no longer about like being the premier just android device it's now like a google device the you know google now is right on the home screen and you can search google from the phone dialer and your default oh no stop oh my god i didn't say okay whatever search google whatever um sorry it's just responding to me automatically the sound of my voice in the launcher on sedar hangouts as a default messaging app etc etc etc so like yours if it goes that way then like what we're looking at here is like there's samsung's version of android and there's HTC's version of android and now there's google's version of android which is kind of crazy right but the the thing that makes me believe that they might even consider putting this thing into the google play store the this launcher available for like any device is if you go into settings there's a top level setting for home and you tap that and then that is how you choose your launcher you don't have to go into app settings anymore and mess with this garbage of like clearing defaults for mantra rap it's just right there and you can switch between them very easily this just worked like apex didn't need to update itself to to make this happen like Google just figured it out same thing with their cloud storage picker like Dropbox was just in there which is kind of amazing anyway so like if they decide not only do they want to put it on Nexus devices but they want to just put it on google play like they did with their keyboard it would be a huge for you to Samsung and makes you see an LG everybody else because they are there is now at the very very first setting after like your radios is switching your home screen to something else and it's like sorry Samsung nobody wants your skin we're gonna give Mars so that would be sorry blinkfeed right yeah this isn't that this is like the ultimate security because like HTC blinkfeed is the leftmost screen and now it's google now yeah it's well it's really interesting HTC has been very aggressive in saying that they will be deploying 4.4 to its devices I think even all the US carrier devices within 90 days so we really interesting to see how all of this google now integration stuff works with HTC's launcher but i just wanted to say that the reason that i think that this their google has literally no reason to keep this exclusive to the nexus 5 simply because you can turn off the google now integration in the launcher if you turn off google now it's no longer your left mouse home screen you've got a standard type of home screen that you know android has had for however many years so if they're concerned that people might not like it there's always the option that you can just turn it off even at every OEM they'll want to push it on people you have an every OEM seems to have its own idea of how Google now should be accessed right like yeah nobody is doing it the same way and I think that that's going to continue to be the case I mean there's no sign that samsung or HTC are going to let off their their customizations or Sony especially Sony especially well I'd say especially samsung I mean Samsung's got competing services for everything that Google's pushing right now they've got chaton no wait that's oh that Simpson yes sorry no something just triggered Google now and I don't know what I said that triggered it it's really creepy I just realized that that Samsung has chat on and LG has not gone yeah but those are actually like two totally different features like they're using like what like yes and I would like to point out that the knock-on is exponentially more useful than chat on but i will say that when when when LG launches its own messaging service which you know by all accounts are probably will it's gonna be called like talk around or something samsung has launched its own messaging yeah yeah yeah because it's gonna like run Samsung's name through a translator and then back again it's gonna be like I'll talk around ok so that whole like Android politics aside like a kit kats really nice they got rid of almost all the tron there's still some blue here and there if you go hunting for it like like the switches are blue and then like not the main power down menu but the last like that we're going to turn it off now pop-up is blue but on that everything is white when you scroll and you hit the end of a scroll thing it's white it's wicked fast on this phone they've added a whole bunch of just like plumbing features they added the file picker which i think is still like one of androids key advantages it makes it a real computer and you can actually attach stuff to stuff and not have to worry about you know will your phone let you do that are leave using to me how many how many apps that are on iOS where you have to like that there's like a file attached feature and it just like it takes you to the photo roll and it's like what that's not that's not what i mean by attached like that you can't make make the logical jump from i want to attach something to this 20 that must mean you want to attach a picture because there is no other kind of data yeah and the the dialer is awesome i mean the the search google stuff is fine it works but the the the smartly putting your your most contacted contacts up there like so far it's been great figuring out who I actually want on it and the my favorite feature though is they finally finally added smart dialing to the dial pad t9 so you just type somebody's like for dad you know be three to six there you are like so I hate to burst your bubble on this but they added that in 43 no they didn't yeah it really an iPad autocomplete try some reason it wasn't 4.3 it was it was not enabled by default for some inane reason you had to go into dialer settings and enable dial pad autocomplete but well now I feel like in maroon thanks a lot oh this position raises a good point here which is that I've jumped into 4.4 with the nexus 5 it just being pressed by so many things but in writing up on notes for the review for kit kat what I've noticed that what you guys have pointed out to me is that quite a few of the features that you impress me now have been implemented in like 4.2 and 4.3 actually brand-new to ya to the stock Android experience and this is actually the fact of the matter i've been using pretty much every one of the latest android 4.1 ever devices out there and all of these skins have managed to hide really nice really beautiful designs that Google has done and just obscure them and just not let me know that they're they're out there um but I mean just to add to what detail said it's mostly white this some of it which I can see there like a light grey but that I'm falling into the penalty that I accused ammo but I feel like this neutral color scheme is very nice it's very easy on the eyes and the apt role now is just beautiful you know all the icons have been kind of enlarged a little bit so just simplified and there are no settings which I things were bonus they took widgets out of the app drawer which never made sense to me ever and they put brought back the long press on the home screen to add widgets which we haven't seen since what 2.3 I think yeah so you wouldn't cause a community that shows a few things and I don't I'm not worried about anybody getting confused by that to be honest yeah yeah you know I think it's a great cake with averages I'm going to settings yeah but you know it's like just go into the nth row this is really symbolic for me because there are no settings it is organized in a bit cooler you don't get a choice to screw around with you order whereas i'm using things like nova launcher whatever and they have pages and pages of settings for trolls and app talks and home screens and whatever and they're fun to square around with but ultimately i really just want to pick up a phone and have somebody make these design decisions for me and this is what I like this is what I'm droid is saying that like that they're actively making decisions and saying this is a good way for you to use this get used to it home screens for example on have one but if I want to add a new app you'll automatically generate a new home screen for me and I don't get the choice I have like five blank home screens and I have to delete them all there were just all of these subtle little things which is just automated and dumb for you and just make the process of using the phone that much more straightforward this were like I really feel like the whole experience in the stream line and my favorite highlight actually is when I got to set an alarm and you try and do that now and it is just beautiful circular you right yeah the time at the hour in the minutes and it's functioning not any more useful to know the other interfaces but it just makes me happy to do it I don't know I'm actually my favorite alarm feature is a something like I don't know a half hour before alarm is going to go off some some period before I don't know what it is it actually pops down a notification for you saying that your alarm is going to go off in 10 minutes or five minutes or a half hour or whatever and then you can like dismiss it right from there like no I'm awake I don't need this alarm now and get rid of it it's amazing it's great I use it all the time because apparently now i wake up at four thirty in the morning everything I'll tell you what's a hot mess though is hangouts yeah I Wakata business but I don't hang out with anybody other than you guys so so the big thing with with KitKat and the new version of hangouts that came with kick and it's going to be delivered to other phones or whatever is that Google's finally integrating SMS messages into hangouts which people have wanted since the day hangouts launched arm but it's doing it in probably the most ham-fisted clunky way that it could possibly be done instead of threading your conversations with a single contact into one string of conversation whether it's on hangouts or SMS it's forcing separate threads for SMS and separate threads for hangout conversations which is just bifurcating and confusing and messy and yeah oh I mean that now I mean you know if your google you can't make it work like I message and just have things switch over to a message because you don't know what the recipient but what what phone they're using you know we're hangouts is installed whatever but yeah it's like you know it's not that hard to just you know have a single conversation per person and have multiple accounts I'd much rather think about conversations per person and switch between my two google accounts or SMS then switch to one of two google accounts and then look for the SMS conversation or the Hangout conversation like I know that like there's some level of confusion by threading everything but it's way better than just sticking stuff all over the place like I need to remember that is one good eye on yeah right I mean you said level s 1 point 0 actually did that it threaded google talk messages in with SMS and that's exactly why Pena is supposed to do and later on other services as well but you know that was 2009 come on yeah but I mean blackberry has been doing that for a long time too yeah yeah I'm just saying like there's there's lots of examples of people that have solved this problem and not that their solutions were perfect but they are better than the solution that hangouts is going with right now how much the only benefit is now I think you mentioned this in your either your review of KitKat or another report on Cake Eaters that now I only have one icon on my home screen as opposed to two or three right yeah so they had this was this was Hiroshi eighties point Roshi lock timers point they had a Google+ messenger and google talk and SMS and those three are now a single icon so that's nice actually there's something somebody ate was asking on Twitter I need on the Jergens was asking how do you know you have a data connection so now that all the icons are white the status bar icon the signal strengths icons are always white and it used to be that like those would be gray and then they would turn blue when it they knew that they had a solid connection to google and then you also got little up/down arrows in the inside the little status bars tell you what your data was doing if it was downloading a bunch data or uploading a bunch of data and so far as I can tell all that's gone so you just have to trust that you've got a solid and good internet connection I guess I haven't been on a captive portal since I started using this so maybe it gives you some indication if it looks like you've got an internet connection but you don't but that's sort of like instant quick I know that my data connection is solid indicator in the status bar you've lost that but you do get an indication that's better about when GPS is active that's over on the right now and there's a location shortcut that shows you the absa to like most recently paying your location and like how much battery they're using so they fix just similar to yeah that's similar to what iOS does this for data it gives you four recent location I think that's great and you can now choose different modes of location services you can choose a high accuracy which group will tells you will use the most battery life you can turn a battery saving mode on which will drop GPS and only use Wi-Fi triangulation and cellular triangulation so that's that's a much more user-friendly way to manage it and hopefully save some battery life so actually just about a status bar the thing the you know the signal bars that used to and blued it's only white and they're kind of I don't see an issue with distinguishing and you know when you have a good signal from a bad signal that there's a good enough contrast between the white Edith are gray there but yeah I'm not noticing like you're saying the up-and-down vertical pause when you're having data transfers which were handy from the previous interfaces but it's something else I wanted to note on Nexus oranges don't have service sorry Vlad and I'm interrupting McGee again but twitter tells me I'm rather it's orange if you don't have a full connection man I like that orange I've seen it on my Wi-Fi and I you think that's just like a good highlight color to replace the blue it's just party Wi-Fi I was like that's a nice subtle orange color yeah easy it really is i mean still a nice color just not a happy one you look at it on this phone but um a couple of quick hardware points to add with a nexus 5 the owner brightness is actually driving me nuts are so much better you're wrong well I mean I might be wrong about one part which is that I find it too bright by default which you know kind of a subjective issue but it also hunt around and look for me so I would just be reading a piece of play white text and nothing would change about my lighting it would just go up and down up and down and try and figure out where the hell it is so that's one huh that the speaker the loudspeaker in this handset is an afterthought it's just really really weak yeah I mean it's fine for ringtones and notifications but I mean the HTC One Syria just embarrasses this yeah that's there just say that because it's not on the back anymore it's down at the bottom with the charging port is and in theory that you know makes it a better projection if you have a place on them it's exactly the same places in the LG g2 but it is nothing like the one of the LG g2 interesting it's exactly but nothing like I'm not another point actually comparing it to the g2 is the microUSB port at the bottom somebody asked me about us on Twitter it's it's upside down on the Nexus 5 rights to the g2 so it's not the same orientation I don't know what to say about that hey very someone wanting to know in your opponent has a whole lot of hunting for brightness level problems but i will say like it maybe it might is a little bit too bright on the auto brightness but i'd much rather have that than the dim a cluster that was not much religious how work correctly well it doesn't the g2 and you and the g2 should start on G and the g2 and that knock on function dude we're in love it's the reason that knock on function exists is because it's fixing something that's broken with the g2 to begin with well you know what it double tap to wake the kid did it in the end nine and all of these other devices i'm just saying everybody every single phone manufacturer needs to have this on their phone double tap to wake that would talk to put it to sleep it just makes sense but also LG that skin it is terrible I'm install cyanogenmod on g2 and I can't everybody it's easy enough to root it sent your motor stable enough to use on a daily basis so thumbs up but LG does actually have good things about it skin probably like one good thing which is that when you plug in a headphone or the micro USB port you get a little animation showing it as if it's like going into the device it just kind of pumps in and pops out and just tells you yes I have a headphone jack in me and it's just really cool to me I just really like that animation okay I'm not getting in support but I say it's a good thing about that skin I like that anything else that we have to say about I mean you know I wrote the kick-out review we've all you guys helped pitching on that we've got the nexus 5 review got the report that went up today like there's we've heard a lot about this thing what doesn't what I really want to know and if we're gonna just leave on Google stuff ah it's like the unanswered question of google has talked a lot about how Kit Kat has been slimmed down and tightened up and runs good on or runs well on devices with lower memory devices you're slower processors and stuff like that so I want to see what Google put its money where its mouth is I want to see one of these low-end devices running KitKat it runs great on the Nexus 5 but by all accounts the next 25 is one of the fastest phones you can buy right now well so glad actually wrote a report about this yeah I want I want to know I want to see it so I'm saying yeah a isn't that is the billion-dollar question the way that they did this Dave are told us that the way that they initially tested it on low end as they took a nexus 4 and they crippled it they cut it down to 512 megs of ram and they hop on the processor so that I couldn't go at full speed need to look like a cheap dual-core processor and they lowered the resolution down to qhd and like they say that it runs great they say that there's going to be devices coming up pretty quick with it like they were down to like they know the exact like model and type of ram that these people are using and that's what they decided to target I mean they need to get gingerbread off the market just period like every time that pie chart comes up and it still got a huge wedge of like the installment well it's still greater than twenty six percent and this is great and twenty-six percent of devices with Play Store axis which is terrible like that means there's way more that don't write earlier this year I don't know if it's still there but earlier this year there was definitely at least one device on 18 TS online store that had froyo I that's not a joke it was that's that's that's not going to change ATT is not gonna push an update to that whatever that device was and give it well I think it was a ripe industrial scanner or something knows it was the phone LG it was a phone that they launched and immediately forgot it was the sharp FX plus or whatever oh my god the one that looked like a sidekick but running Android so anyway that's neither here nor there I would just says you guys are saying about Q&A somebody asked us is the nexus 5 a good upgrade if you already happy with the nexus 4 and i think the answer today is absolutely obvious know if you're happy with your device there is no good upgrade might just stay happy you have your device carry on with your life III don't necessarily buy that because you don't know what you're there are many kinds of devices where you don't know what you're missing and that like I think that the for me personally the ipad is the most obvious example no and more generally tablets but that that specifically because it was the first like really huge mass market tablet that everyone owned we're like you don't understand how it fits into your life until you actually own it and that was certainly true for me and obviously upgrading from one phone to another is a little bit different than upgrading you know buying an entirely new kind of class of device but still there are definitely features or like transformational differences in performance or screen quality that could qualify is like yes you don't know it yet but you need to buy this device but I i think it's a chess out here correct me if I'm wrong but that the Nexus 5 is not that kind of upgrade uh it is if you live in a place with LTE and you're not oh yeah oh yeah that's like if you got three or fifty bucks to burn and you've got LTE in your area that's compatible to Nexus 5 then dude spend the 315 you're gonna be pretty happy right but the point was the premise of the question was I am already happy okay I'll ruin that haha best of old deaf person is such a rarity in bottom world like I want to congratulate them and just say you know carry on whatever the hell you're doing and you guys like what about the opportunity cost you have to really consider sister such no I give you a happy carry on I one day why wish I could be my it with a gadget like that man one day you might just encounter LTE randomly and fall in love with it and have this you know runaway bromance together but let that be in your future and it just happened that's right I I say if you're happy stop just stop not i'll be happy i'm not i do not want you to be happy whatever phone you don't currently own is better than what you currently have don't care what it is what phone you currently have what phone you're looking at like you're not ready not as happy as you collect if you can i was actually trying to you know take to demia 10 20 in the nexus 5 together that would have made me happy so before we move on from google i want to touch on another subject that i think frankly has not gotten the attention it deserves and that's a this absurd like arbitrary 18-month limitation on upgrades that disqualifies the Galaxy Nexus from 4.4 oh yeah and Google is not trying to hide this there very very open about the fact that it is just getting forgotten because they have this 18-month rule even though you know it's there very two-faced about it because on the one hand they're saying 4.4 is great for low-end devices and then on the other hand they're saying oh but this this two-year-old phone that could very very easily run for this new operating system isn't going to get an upgrade and I think it's it's little it's it's it wouldn't be as weird if it weren't for the fact that Hugh you have apple basically on Anna running there is give me a rolling three-year upgrade path for all of its phones and then Google just hasn't even for its own line has no interest in in following suit and when you consider that the the two-year contract still isn't dead in the US they're basically saying your device will be e 0 elled before your contract is even over which is just kind of a slap in the face basically if I owned a Galaxy Nexus I would be super upset there's millions of these Galaxy Nexus is out there they sold a ton of these things to a bunch of developers and just everybody everybody they're everywhere they should really find a way to do it and the 18-month thing like I'm sorry that that's that any any policy that google tells you that they have about upgrades is a lie it's like it's it's whatever whatever makes the most sense than to say based on what they've decided to do that day and with the Galaxy Nexus the story is that it's got this TI processor and TI's not around and like they don't have somebody to like help them do the thing they need to do to make it work on 4.4 like that's I think that's the real thing it's that's got its got this TI processor on it but that's still BS because like TI still exists and they're still making o maps they're just not selling them to smartphone vendors you can't tell me that they can't like I first of all google has a copy of the of the omap three is a sitting in their lab like they can figure out how to program for nomad 3 like anybody has if anybody has resources to throw at it it's google it's receiving i'm out here now to map three and yeah we're not talking about some tiny startup manufacturer we're talking about one of the largest Internet companies world that has tens of thousands as engineers right and just man they got to make sure that they are putting either good guy resources into helpouts so that people can get their multi-level marketing MLM schemes running oh boy and with that we should director our viewers to go watch scam world again which is still a fantastic piece on our site so there are no MLMs on helpouts yet but there aren't any now because everybody gets back crunch ected and whatever from cool it's only only well you can only get your makeup checked with Sephora and have someone teach you how to spackle the wall or learn to play the guitar I don't want to talk about helpouts um okay we got a blackberry we gotta like so they didn't they do we have to have you as a strong word they just did we do because this sad blackberry is actually interesting they they they they didn't get that they didn't get sold they got an infusion of cash from the investment firm that wanted to buy them but couldn't pull in enough bankers to actually support buying him so it said they just threw some money at him which is totally insane and torsten Heinz is out and a new guy John Chen yeah is in and let's just be very clear that tourists in hinds was paid 22 million dollars to fail he walks away with more money than most of us will make in our entire lifetimes let's just get that out on the table so absurd I mean I've said numerous times about how he walked into a really bad situation and a lot of what happened with blackberry was not entirely his fault but at the same time in the 18 months or however long he was in term as CEO he didn't do anything to improve its situation it just got worse and worse and worse and so by all accounts he failed at his job and he still comes out walking away with a eight figures in his pocket right that's the guarantee with any CEO position this was the thing that I was thinking the other day while I was eating parsley I don't know I just had this strong association obviously partying thinking about my crucifix firstly is not an entree parsley is not now safer closely with the stuff but it was the strongest flavor at the time okay just personally has no flavor it's like I'm talking about my god dammit leave the posse of parsley has flavor posses beautiful I don't think there is anything that cannot be improved by you know little sprinters policy I think of all right but seriously so you can have sympathy for thorsten heins because rather like steven e lub he was left in a situation where they weren't that many right moves for him to make like whatever decision he was making ultimately he was also an issue execution with blackberry like yeah here's decision to switch to blackberry 10 and be aggressive and the earlier yadda might have been perfect if they actually could code a mobile OS if they were capable of doing that and you know doing things like an emo plan but they just weren't they kind of suck to their job wholeheartedly and university like I wouldn't just pin it on post Heinz I don't think you really helped things there was that quote from him saying we're innovating too much to have differentiated products we should differentiate it because they're like three years behind the curve etc etc he didn't help things too much but we can't have too much sympathy something so my biggest question is uh you know everyone's calling this interim CEO John Chen the fixer-upper guy but wasn't forcing the fixer-upper guy so is just a fixer-upper for the fixer open he must be well I mean John Chen has actually has credentials in doing that because his previous row he led what was the name of that company well he led the revival of a company that was kind of down in the dumps and was ready to failure basically so yes a perfect experience perfect cretaceous for this job whereas thorson hands was an internal hire for blackberry so I mean John Chen has at least more of a I didn't know if has more of a chance to revive things now because it's you know 18 months on situations gotten worse but he seems better qualified at least okay okay well since since that's that's all of a hard hard analysis I would just like to point out that maybe just maybe part of BlackBerry's problem has to do with the fact that it just appointed a new and give me a chance to read this in full lead director and chair of the compensation nomination and governance committee most of those words have been capitalized Alicia Keys and strange enough no this is a position that Fairfax is CEO prem watsa is taking upper to come at blackberry Fairfax being the investors that wanted to take over blackberry and just go to get the money together but it just kind of notes that there's like so much middle management going on and so much like senior vice president deputy of management for something in charge of etc and it just it just sounds like another terrible model to me but also notable in the entire blackberry announcement there was nothing said about the future even John Chen is an interim CEO yelled mmm CEO executive chair of the board so essentially he is the man in charge he's got the Steve Jobs position of PEG berry which is funny cuz see jobs never felt this bad but anyway he's got his pretty much as it sounds like he's got as much power as him but he's an interim position so blackberries are really committing to anything in about well they did they did say one thing and that's they are not gonna not killing the handset division dude that that six months on that yeah yeah we know Keane enhancer division today right right we're not eating a cheese sandwich today via every single um actually parsley out of cheese sandwich very good yeah geez purse I'm telling you guys parsley is just for decoration it has no flavor I'm like I had this full of vitamins it no it is full but I'm not disputing that I mean lots of things are full of vitamins kales full of vitamins kales hob tail has flavor ya know kayla is a lot of flavor okay Kayla's like really like you have to like either cook it or like blend it those are your only options you can t get it wrong oh you can well you catch I should not have this outrage spoke against raw vegetables Vlad I would just like to point out something you once said to me which was that you said to me that the only part of the Apple worth eating is the skin and and you you got rid of the rest so your opinion on like the flavor and value of fruits and vegetables is is just teetering on the edge teetering on the brink just to defend that I never throw away the rest of the Apple I just let some poor victim eat it because it's all sugar where's the skin of the Apple is where the good stuff is also the riot a pumpkin and squash and all of those things is the best if we hand started talking about blackberries yet that would be great because I could say speaking of threes and then start talking about blackberry but we're already an appellation so anyway the the z30 I haven't touched one I'm not sure I ever will touch one I can't wake up don't you do but every first take I've seen of this device across the interwebs seems to suggest that it is the answer to a question that no one asked which is it if you love the z10 what would you buy next so you know it take that for what you will whoo oh okay Segway Segway Allah this is the best speaking of devices and answers to questions nobody else the LG G flex yeah taking away Chris I'm give it I'm giving it the stage is yours you need to tell us about the flex so the the Flex is a it is not just a curved phone as we learned from the many people pointed this out to me the vaguely sexual video that is honor on our site right now there is a picture of a guy pressing repeatedly on top of the phone to flatten it out of his way with that thing man he really like if you looped it and set it to some sultry music it would be really over-the-top but but then my guys are like so god I thought it looked like CPR I thought he was giving the g flex CPR but you don't you don't think CPR is vaguely sexual any way back to the back to the G flex for one second the question becomes is so this this phone is actually flexible hence the name i guess but like it's just barely Fleck flexible it's like it's mostly rigid there's just a little bit of give in it so it's like what is the point of that M as Neil I pointed out to us earlier he's flexing it in the direction of just being flat so just make a flat phone what is the function of this device like this is absolutely this is like a the most crystal clear focused case I've seen of both Samsung and LG flexing their engineering prowess without putting the cart before the horse and saying is there actually any reason for this device to exist because the answer is no it's very clearly when I was watching this video the only thing I could think of was there was a spat of nokia flip phones that were really thin and they were you flip him open and you could put it face down on a desk and you could like literally like punch the back of the thing and the spring would just kind of like give so that it wouldn't wouldn't snap the phone in half and that's that's all i can think of when i was watching him press down on this upside down g flex we used to do the flex test on every phone where you would take it and you would put some torsion on it and then if it bent that was a sign of poor quality and I mean yesterday and that was a sign of poor quality and you know it's now it's innovation yeah I have nothing to say about the g flex other than no no thanks but as far as I'm concerned and again this is kind of like comparing Nexus cameras the g flex is definitely the better choice than the galaxy round that's fair although I haven't I haven't held the galaxy round I haven't seen to get somebody try and hold the galaxy round up to their head either I imagine would be ridiculous yeah cuz nobody's headed I'm working like an Islander the pocket ability I'm concerned about everything why does this phone like I've you I didn't think why didn't LG and Samsung just wait another year until they could actually put this component this which is an absolutely like magical wonderful like sci-fi component the the the concept of a curve bendable display why they just wait a year until they can make the rest of the phone bendable and then show us something really impressive you know that is a good point you raised Christian and it's nothing was thinking of we would go to smart watches and I think Apple Microsoft Google the big companies that are holding off on their smart watches the ones that we keep hearing rumors that the building one but they're not releasing one I think they're doing the right thing because there is a risk right now that people will see smart watches and they'll get birds by the fact that they all pretty much suck apart from the pebble and then the whole category kind of just picks up a terrible reputation and now this kind of that risk with these flexible devices you know if they all seem like gimmicks if they all seem like terrible ideas and just engineering demos the next time one comes out it might not get the perception that it deserves you know because somebody might actually make something useful out of the technology so are you blaming samsung for tanking the SmartWatch uh market before it began and Sony I've gotta to SmartWatch 2 from sorry it's atrocious yeah I had the the first one the live whatever it was called like yeah yeah live you who's it was a heartbreaker really bad the world of hurt um you know who's not a heartbreaker no like this is a terrell transition Chris talk to us about I'm ignant climber and it sounds like when we wrote a really good story about her and I just want to have us all thanked her yes we should all we all owe our livelihoods to this amazing woman no and look no even you've led even though you are not an American citizen we should say who she is for people who don't know yeah so Megan Clyburn was the interim chairwoman of the FCC for span of about five and a half six months between the end of Julius Genachowski tenure and the beginning of Tom wheelers who has just confirmed yesterday no that's not true he's confirmed last week we was sworn in yesterday and what and she was previously a commissioner there's there are three people on the Commission there is Oh what is her name hold on I'm getting it a lot of Jessica rosenworcel no no it does and I'll tell you why it matters dieter because Jessica rosenworcel who is a member of the three-person commission that the FCC is composed of is the sister of the lead singer for Guster so I want everybody to know that um this is a true story you can look it up so there's Rosen rosenworcel there's there's Clyburn and there's a Jeep I all of whom were appointed by Obama anyway long story short she was temporarily put into the position of being the the chairperson to fill in and she just accomplished a ridiculous amount in her very brief tenure typically speaking the FCC is one of the more bureaucratically challenged organizations in the federal government they tend to take years to get anything done and if you look back over a Jenna cows Keys tenure really what he did I mean look I can't take a lot away from the guy because you know broad wireless broadband use exploded and he had a number of like really important initiatives but at the end of the day the one thing that sticks out in my mind that he accomplished was putting the acts in the ATT tmobile deal right in the six month span that Clyburn was in office she uh she basically fired up two new bands of spy drum and we all know how rare that is like spectrum never frees up she is she freed up two bands well she didn't personally free them up but she like launched the the the rulemaking that happens before the auction she signed the the enormous sprint clearwire softbank deal which had been sitting on her plate for approval so she pushed that through which ultimately led to sprint being able to launch this spark thing which dieter will be talking about a minute and yes you will you will and she uh she pushed through some legislation on Prison long-distance rates which had been a surprisingly like big issue that had been like going on for a decade we're like but basically what was happening was there these monopolies providers in prisons that just completely extort people make phone calls so it can cost like several dollars just make a connection and then several dollars a minute and you can understand how like you know not everyone that is in prison is rich so it makes it very difficult for people communicate with families and so on and take it really that is the most politically correct Peggy door said not everyone in prison is rich it's true uh so she was able to push that through which had been on that CeCe's played for a long long time so she was just a very very productive chairperson i think that the FCC would have been well positioned to permanently give her the job if that was an option but it's not like obama can just say like oh wait nevermind on wheeler you can just keep the job it doesn't work that way she would have to be confirmed and it's you know it's a whole thing so now we get Tom wheeler who is a former lobbyist for the ctia and nacked i think if i remember correctly so it so in other words he he represented the wireless industry and the cable industry and now he runs the FCC so i think that we are probably in for a much more pragmatic and borderline consumer hostile rain as opposed to Cliburn's who did not come from that world and previously served on South Carolina's public service commission so anyway I've talked about the FCC for far too long no so saying the important thing to remember here is that you convinced me that her name wasn't pronounced minion Ming Ming gon shoot I just had it minyan yeah I was watching she's on she was on c-span and I'd someone just pronounced her name and I was right and now I joining us on but i believe it is for late for hidden is pronounced missionary go me on minion I was right I was right the whole time I've heard it pronounced look I've heard it pronounced both ways really uh yes um I just I refuse to refer to somebody as a steak that's that's my that's my core problem and when I when I hear mignon I think of beef and she just gets really weird my koala nobody really talks about Barack Obama just use her surname and pretentious as them first thing in cyber I guess yeah exactly so or we could give her a like a cool top gun style nickname like like fireball or I have to have to share I did I did have a vision in my mind when chris said that she opened up two new bands of wireless of like storm from the x-men just rising up into the sky just here somewhere way to say yes his super wireless we people that is exactly how it went down by the way um so anyway she is she was just unusually productive for someone who was never expected to really get a lot done she was effectively a caretaker right she was a lame dunk a lame duck who was just there to like fill the seat until tom wheeler got confirmed and instead she ended up getting a lot done so kudos yes okay sprint spark as so sprint they've got a whole bunch of like random spectrum that they've acquired over the years including stuff and clearwire and whatever else so they've got 800 they've got 19 and they've got 25 and stuff from the next hole and so they finally got everything cleared out that they can run LTE on it so they've introduced a sync on spark where they're claiming they can get speeds up to 60 megabits and it can go faster than that some day in the future and they say that they can achieve this by using all that spectrum on a single phone and so it'll the Brady pick which one it needs so if you're in building you lit up with 800 but if you're outside where you can get the faster stuff you'll get that and that's that's the story with sprint spark I've launched it in a few cities and my guess is that it'll be just like Sprint's has been for a while where they'll be like 10 people that have got amazing service and become sprint fanboys for life and everybody else sort of wonders why Sprint is kind of crap that's really a really hard take but I know it it seems like a big promise from them and we've been hearing a lot of big Network promises from sprint for a long time and if the wimax thing didn't already hurt their credibility they're like everything that's happened since then certainly has and they just need to start delivering and they need to start delivering really fast and hopefully they can hopefully softbank is going to dump some money in there and I can go back to thinking dan hesse is the most trustworthy guy in mobile but he's not because a crazy guy McGee over at t-mobile is that's a good way of putting it yes also dan hesse doesn't work neutrality that's right yes right i mean i will say that you know sprint good am I here yes i will say that sprint is in the best position now a better position now than it's really ever been in the past five years in order to do these network enhancements now that it has softbank's bankrolling and everything like that and the sport behind it and it got the approval from the SEC though so desperately needed um yeah it's just Alexis 5s camera is the best Nexus camera spring position silver linings theatre where we're pedaling hope you know it is a long game it's like most people won't see the benefits of this product until late 2014 at the earliest assuming they see it ever so you know sprint really has to come through on his promises and really just needs to you know deliver yeah if they can pull this off it would be amazing because we're talking about speeds that make you know my cable broadband look kind of pokey right right really Jen a bogus cable modem do you have I can get 100 megabit in Chicago well I'm getting files soon so don't you worry about me I get 100 megabit in the burbs man anyway it would be a huge deal if they can pull it off and they've got a bunch of devices they like tease the nexus 5 at this event because it was the day before and they like had it under a little thing and uh I don't know the other thing that happened was like you know if you're talking about speeds that fast at some point you're like well you're starting to look like you know standard broadband provider are you going to do the things that standard broadband providers do which is you know charged with different tiers of service or whatever dennis's know they're going to continue they're not going to change their unlimited plan all that's going to stay the same but there was sort of a whole I don't understand why anybody would believe in net neutrality doesn't make any sense to me at all I mean you're allowed to charge more for first class seats why can't you charge more for first class internet service ah okay look you're never going to get anyone in the wireless industry to tell you that they want to be regulated more heavily I guess it's just not gonna happen like so like I an on one level I understand what Dan sang uh pesi not seaford just if you clarify no um Chris Chris never understands what I'm saying no I never understand what what Dan is saying um I understand what he's saying from the perspective that like I do think the wireless carrier should be allowed to to investigate the possibility of charging different monthly fees for different speed tiers I would be okay with that I just like I'm okay with it on my cable modem like it makes sense to me I pay more for faster service like fine that's totally okay but when when you start up putting when you start putting up arbitrary barriers around services or protocols that's where you start getting into a really nasty gray area that the FCC so far has refused to regulate more heavily on like if you read all of their net neutrality language throughout the years like they're very very careful to carve out an exception for wireless yeah and that was that was one thing that that Clyburn didn't change and I'm like I'm sure there are many good reasons for it not the least of which is the fact that like you know they're just too many like lobbyists hands in the pot but it's yeah unfortunately there are no strong regulations preventing that kind of nonsense from happening but also these analogies is just bogus this is kind of like all the people making the argument comparing things like US government debt to household debt and whatever it's like the weather you treat and you manage your debt in your household which is like a few thousand dollars or whatever versus the way that you treat and manage you know trillions of dollars in us that and be the world's you know reserve currency know that those just like completely not analogous things they just kind of look the same superficially so this is where you know dan has his comparison like well if we offer such and such service is fine for us as I'll charge a different price etc like we just private individual is not supplying a fundamentally important lifeline to people I mean literally sprint so some damn bunch of a lifeline because count that many customers but still you know it's it's a vital service you can't just treat it like it's you know some luxury to people you know pick and choose angry with Chris different prices for different levels of service here fine but you shouldn't be prioritizing traffic right that's it that also is it I believe for the Virgin Mobile show thank you everybody very much for watching us listening to us and having feels with us if you want to if you hundred contact as you can we're on twitter i am back on dan's dtc for chris's that power Vlad as Vlad Sabbath not to be confused with lab wick who's also available on Twitter who's Bob suspiciously quiet for we are all at verge and you can email us and you can comment on this post right now or later as you wish you could comment on google+ some of you many of 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