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greetings mobile coppell sures welcome to the verge mobile show it's the last show 2013 it is December 31st I have a drink and I'm dieter bohn I'm Dancy for a knife hot cocoa i'm chris sigler and i have a delicious cup of intelligentsia coffee the other thing that you have Chris what I heard earlier is drugs in your system yeah so long story short i have ADD LOL how is this a long story what was the company cutting up uh okay good point it's just a hobby where he acquired the drugs well there's nothing illicit here but so I'm overcoming a variety of ailments right now which is perfect timing would see us a couple days away and so I have a you know a bunch of jars of pills bottles of pills whatever you call them on my countertop and my sleeping pills look exactly like the advil gel caps and so I I switched them and took two sleeping pills instead of two advil pills and you're only supposed to take one sleeping pill now miraculously I'm not dead but I have been drinking coffee all after all afternoon I feel a little Spacey but i've also been feelin spacey just because i've been taking a lot of sudafed this week so I yeah it's a mess so I apologize from if I'm not making any sense on the show or if I just spontaneously fall asleep either situation is entirely possible but hopefully it goes without incident but so okay so you just have like random jars of pills on your kitchen counter online i love how chris is trying to use the that i'm sick excuse to have random jars of pills just learned well it's it's true like i have i have probably 10 like supplements that i'm taking right now between like between like garlic and zinc and c and all this nonsense because are you trying are you trying to ward off vampires no i'm using i'm using every supplement that has been so much as rumored to possibly shorten colds by even a single minute I'm taking them all simultaneously plus I'm taking sleeping pills at night so that I can sleep through the the pathogen and I'm taking a number of different cold medications including new snacks so the bottom line is that yeah my countertop looks like I should be immediately arrested oh I mean here's the thing like you're patient zero for the CES flu the cccs SARS or whatever what would we call it TS ours maybe david has the same thing I think so either one of us could get everyone sick the other thing that this makes me think of is that instead of actually writing about consumer electronics at the Consumer Electronics Show i'm going to write CES vampire fanfic where we're vampires stock the night in the Las Vegas Convention Center I'd read it drinking the blood of weary tech journalists I'd read it by the way who's cockamamie idea was a dev a virgin mobile show today I'm using uh believe it worse I said no I was very skeptical oops like I came came back to me little quicker than I thought away yeah good job then Evan please escort Dan off the permit oh you can't you're not in the neither one of you are in the office so evan is is here producing the show because of technical difficulties he's not actually on the show nor is he hiding his face so you just can see is beautiful thumbnail down there it's really nice looking sweet are ya um ok so like CES coming it starts in like mere days mirror mirror days and I mean the common trend of there not being massive crazy phone news is continuing i don't i'm not expecting anything to you know change the game there hasn't been a major huge phone announced at CES what since the pre yeah i'm talking like 5-6 years no there was um was a three-year to three years ago when the LG revolution I repeat my earlier claim no no no no but those are important because they were the first phones with LTE to be introduced by an American carrier I think no yes no didn't provide HTC Thunderbolt was the first wonderful yeah that was at CES oh yeah it's not yeah was the same event like the whole room had like that like a surround screen and like lightning just kept on shooting across the entire auditorium over and over and over again hang on i'm pretty sure the Thunderbolt was at CES well I do know that Motorola showed the original droid bionic SE es which ended up looking way different to the droid bionic that actually launched nine months later yeah it was at CES it was january six 2011 no that's though 2010 it was dangerous the atrix was at CES the original matrix i still think that the original point stance no then so the original matrix was interesting dieter is completely wrong because the original atrix was interesting because it was the first device with web top or whatever that the heck Motorola called it uh it was the leave it was the first smartphone announced with one gig of ram it's a first the first dual core and it had the fingerprint reader right um yeah I mean I wanted to atrix so bad when they announced as like it sounded like when they announced that phone it sound like science fiction and it turned out it kind of was because it didn't launch for a long time and it didn't live up to the promises I don't right yeah but it was decent there was a decent phone yeah I am like the really exotic stuff about it like the fingerprint scanner sucked and the webtop thing was a total flop so like all the stuff that made it really interesting aside from the nerdy level of like it's a first dual core phone I like was it was a bust and is just like an okay phone on its own merit right so every year Sony has a big press conference and they usually save at least one phone for that we're expecting a bunch of wearable stuff that's going to be everywhere like so sony last year used CES to launch the xperia z which is its flagship model for the time but i don't think that we're going to see a new flagship from them this year I mean the timing isn't great and like the z1 just recently launched you know we haven't seen it in the US yet and uh but it hasn't been on the market long enough for them to actually like replace it with another flexion so I'm sure Sony you'll do something but I don't expect it to be a new flagship device you know they could do it is the z1 on t-mobile it isn't right no it's not not available on any US carrier yet so here's my prediction I think that it they will announce it this might happen at the tmobile press conference but somewhere t-mobile will announce that they're carrying z1 and I i bet that AT&T announces a weird nerfed version of the z1 for itself it's happened before I'm just like like agency takes the camera out it makes it like an inch thicker for no apparent reason yeah Oh AT&T like the highlight of a tease big ATT has like a separate like I think it's a technically a developer conference attached to CES so that's at the palms which is way far off from everything else happens and the only thing I remember is the highlight of their keynote was then repeatedly dropping gadgets into a giant bowl of water like here's a kyocera whatever it's called let's plug enough fouf pulling it out of the water putting it back in the water I still don't understand is it is it Vlad who always talks about wanting to be able to use a phone in the shower I think I was David David is a big fan of using things of the shower I don't get it like what it doesn't make any sense to me what are you doing on your phone in the shower apparently David reads books in the shower like you see he gets so bored cleansing his body that he's like you know I just need to take a little break here and read a few pages of a book she is really confusing to me and also you know maybe it's just efficient multitasking and it's good use of his time I guess I guess still weird me yeah I mean look I read the story this week that the majority of porn is now viewed on mobile devices so and we're gonna have 4k displays on phones here in what 2015 I alright what is that like a thousand PPI awesome yeah doesn't make any sense so we're also okay that's all you'll have something maybe they'll get t-mobile's got a press conference 18t does its thing and usually announces crappy devices verizon usually announces some metric about how their LTE is better than everybody else's there's gonna be a million wearables like just a million smartwatches a million crappy smartwatches and the flagship crappy SmartWatch I'm predicting right now is the one that our coasts just teased it it was going to be fabrication of a pebble and my phosphor I ink watch and so I'm going to buy it and that's a huge giant shame I love our coasts man they just they always are like they seem super cutting edge and then they never i I don't I don't think they seem super cutting edge i'm not sure where you're getting that baby i would I feel like they're like up to date on the spec race and like they get like they're like they're like mp3 players before the ipod we're like they did archos make something they make make a mp3 yeah marcos be decided right actually arcos made these um almost like five and six inch tablet like devices that you're supposed to let i put your SD card in and view your photos and maybe for the ipad way before smart phones either that really took off on the mainstream but they always had like some crippling resistive touchscreen or just like horrible software interfaces that made them like be cool looking when they're turned off but as soon as you like touch it and you try to use it all things fall apart yeah what else are we expecting from CES well so uh we kind of glance right over the t-mobile thing so t-mobile is having this press conference it's the Wednesday CES which is actually kind of like in the downward tail end of CES yeah most things but uh you know John letters been teasing it up quite a bit on Twitter as the next big uncarrier move and apparently they're going to be announcing it at CES so this is uncarrier for I think if you've been keeping count and I really don't know what else they're going to announce short of some people have been batting around that maybe t-mobile is going to suddenly start paying ETS if you cancel your ATT or verizon and you come over to t-mobile a tmobile baby will pay your etf fee which is really the big barrier for a lot of people switching switching between carriers so I switch the team's her week I had to drop it because I didn't have a signal where i needed it yeah I don't think that I mean I I don't think that ETFs are actually that big of it I don't think that there's people who are saying no but I mean sure there are some people that are saying that but it's not like there are 10 million people in the u.s. saying I would switch to t-mobile and heartbeat if it weren't for my damn ETF well well actually but there are a bunch of people there's there's a large number of people that would do that and how many phones on ATT can work with t-mobile's LTE the number is much higher now that it used to be and so if they will pay your etf you're DTF is now paid which means that under the new rules that have gone through AT&T needs to unlock your phone for you probably I mean that I know there's a little bit of confusion about interpreting those rules but I think that might be the case which means that if you're an 18 key customer you can switch to t-mobile for a net cost of zero because they will pay your etf and get your phone unlock and you just for work switch over at this point is it will let you try tmobile like ETS maybe Chris may be right that they're not stopping people from switching but they are stopping people from even trying the service if you with verizon or ATT for seven or eight or five or six years or whatever your bedding contracts the entire time you've never had a chance to try tmobile or other carriers see what their services like a tmobile government contracts right so if they do this thing and they aren't very careful about how they set up paying my ETF and I could like get tmobile to pay my ETF be on tmobile for a week and then switch back yeah I do that there's and there's no way that's it that's gonna happen like they'll they'll do they'll probably do something we're like if you're not with with them for a certain number of months then you need to pay it back it's got to be that otherwise they go bankrupt or they'd so I honestly I think so fast that the softbank would have to buy ah i think that uh at least for the mobile world if you're not looking at wearables i think t-mobile's press conference will probably be the most interesting thing that's CES well there was a rumor um I can't remember where this came from but there was a rumor that we could see a galaxy gear to at CES nuts yeah I know why though not naughty river I I agree that seems implausible but how am I galaxy gear life that didn't have a camera on was thinner and lighter there may be a lot of other things fixed with the galaxy gear before I even consider that yeah and also Samsung would be more likely to make a galaxy gear note which was twice the size of a stylus and you know I'm right yeah yeah no see but Sam's Samsung is doing something at CES Samsung well they've got a million toaster ovens and microwaves and crap that they need to announce new Samsung who does a Buddhist a blast chiller that's LG right at s LG yeah which is still like an awesome product that everyone should have look I went to Samsung's press conference last year at CES expecting craziness and it was the most boring thing I've ever live blogged in my entire life what did they focus on nothing it was just like here's a refrigerator here's another TV this TV has a slight curve to it which you saw yesterday so whatever here's a thing we showed a couple months ago here's a phone with a curved screen oh wait we showed that before too here's another refrigerator and like I literally was typing as best as I could for an hour straight and not one interesting thing just like product gadget product product product product product well LG has a new line of appliances that will SMS you so that's exciting that's not a new concept though like wow jeans okay don't you two have webos on a TV I guess we should talk about that briefly oh yeah yeah but no I just to wrap up the Samsung thing I know that samsung mobile specifically is doing something there and they it's it's been speculated for a long time that they are kind of nearing the point where they need to refresh some of their tablets and my guess is that we'll see some of that at mwc and some of it at CES and maybe there will be one or two tablet announcements that are tied in with a carrier because American carriers love them some tablets so they don't sell any I know I don't get it there's a verizon commercial i'm sure you guys said is a verizon christmas commercial where this woman is using a verizon tablet and like the entire back of it is a giant Verizon 4G logo a trend right yeah i sum of all of these verizon commercials and they would be like red tablet red galaxy gear red smartphone yeah it was the worst don't buy that tablet whatever it was I think it may have been a UH nokia um which meant all ah the 2520 which does come in very very bright red yeah so anyway I'm sorry what were we supposed to talk about I before I interrupted we were going to be were going to briefly chortle about the fact that webos is coming back ah lie here I just want to say this that I was at a friend's house this weekend and he has an LG Smart TV and it has this crazy remote that's like a little wand it's like an air mouse and you can wave it around in front of the TV and it's got a mouse pointer and stuff uh which is it just kind of cool and a smart idea and easy way to input things like your netflix password and stuff but the rest of the software was absolutely abysmal so maybe webos for LG will be a good but it's like that's predicated on the belief that webos was ever an appropriate operating system for a television listen man is all I'm going to do all I want to do is like be watching megyn kelly on fox news and then swipe her off my screen just like it's like they're swiping their giant touch screens yeah exactly i like and like show that they she could be like sitting at the desk and like I a channel frame doesn't even disappear I just grabbed her and swipe her off so rumor is gonna be a card in her face still you know if you could have like three or four recent channels and be like slave up to a card interface and see what the channels are and then pick the one you want maybe cool and you know what's going to have a situation is gonna be terrible like it's gonna be terrible well I mean the app situation on any Smart TV is pretty terrible right now so yeah can't be it can't be any worst that's a good point but here's what's going to happen LG is going to announce a line of webos TVs and then in a few months because they like to do giant and miniature versions of things are gonna do a TV mini that's it that's actually a tablet and then there's gonna be a new webos tablet no crazy do you remember at mwc last year i remember you and I were walking around and we stopped by LG smoothly this like 21 inch widescreen monitor it was like three monitors like stuck together yeah you buy that with webos on it no i mean i buy that as a monitor in fact i've wanted to buy that as a monitor and i've looked at it in several occasions the problem with it apparently is that it doesn't work very well with OS 10 i guess there's oh yeah so i haven't bought it but it isn't like a really badass looking monitor or not like i would totally use use the heck out of it just on with webos on anyway if you're not familiar so yes technically I believe that the show floor opens on Tuesday which means that the news actually starts like Sunday or Saturday yeah so month there's a million press conferences on Monday so whatever your plans are from Monday cancel them because you're going to want to just hang out on the verge and refresh and see a bunch of live blogs and a bunch of we have a bunch of video content both hands on analysis from the studio that we have both like right there in our trailer right in front of the convention hall it's going to be a ton of stuff so what will you can work what phones are you guys bringing to see us so I have been waffling i'm waffling super hard I'm going to bring an iphone just in case but switching to it as a huge pain because i have to call AT&T and talk to their customer service reps for a half an hour just to make tethering work because ATT is horrible and doesn't believe in free and open data and their own sim card system you actually need to call them they suck i I've never had that issue well that's its data works tethering doesn't but like when I like on my account I've got my iphone 5s and regardless of where I put my sim uh-huh he's my iphone 5s and everything PG tethering works on Android and Windows Phone and everything like that and then when i go to use my iphone everything works but that's not my experience friend oh i didn't sorry um so I was actually tweeted this that I was waffling between the Moto X and the Nexus 5 I was leaning towards the Moto X because the Moto X gets slightly better battery life for me so I put my sim card back my Moto X i've been using it for a couple of days and i know that we all love the Moto X to death but after using the nexus 5 think feels slow thing feel slow a little small to me so I'm gonna probably use the Nexus 5 and I just bought an anchor like 10,000 oh yeah battery it's like this big and that's I'm just going to keep that my back pocket and i'll use that charge my phone all day long i'm just taking an iphone nothing fancy I I put my sim back in my iphone this weekend after like months and uh I'm kind of happy with it yes I did I think I might I'm gonna burning my iphone you guys use prefer gmail to use mailbox teeth by just use the gmail app I use your lap it's been really bugging terrible know it's wrong it's really okay it's okay it still gets it gets there it gets you use an android phone for a day oh no no I mean no argument no argument that the android gmail app slaps the iOS gmail app up and down like but it still gets the job done on iOS the problem is that lately it's been super buggy for me so I might have to go back to mailbox if you will if you want to talk about a steaming pile of hot garbage try out the gmail app on the iPad it is not so bad I cannot handle it so are you using an iPad air or a mini or what I'm using an OG ipad mini right now well there's your problem obviously yeah because I was thinking I might actually buy mini retina just for the show so I have a giant hot spot well so that's what I I was debating buying the mini retina with verizon I've got an OG meant mini with verizon now what my thinking was maybe on would flip the script and be an iPhone guy with an android tablet which i know is insane and stupid but i was thinking it because the Nexus 7 is so much cheaper than the ipad mini but verizon and google can't get their together and release that version of the tablet so I've haven't done it but it's your obsession with tablets and Verizon you like you're an AT&T customer like yeah my obsession is is that I'm an AT&T customer for my phone and I want to have verizon for my tablet so that I'm garant I have a better chance my guaranteed but I have a better chance of actually getting a signal when I need it when I'm in dire straits if I'm if I'm you know I'm doing my job and I gotta have as many different ways to get online as possible put all your eggs in one basket that's the rule you know what one platform seriously if I were if I were to I wouldn't get an AT&T tablet go with an AT&T phone I just get a Wi-Fi tablet because what's the point I like dying tethering your phone to your tablet is a major pain in the butt not ever buying a Wi-Fi tablet again not that yeah yeah agree like I used to be very strongly in the Wi-Fi tablet camp and then David wrote his beautiful piece on the original Nexus 7 and then I was a convert after that no I love having LTE on my tablet I just like if I'm gonna pay for LT in my tablet I'd rather pay the extra five bucks a month more 10 bucks a month more to have it be on an alternate network so I've got options how does that actually cause like I can add a tablet to my ATT account for 10 bucks a month and there's no way that you have a standalone yeah so it's 30 bucks a month it's 30 bucks a month that's a lot of money but your attention I want to get extra 20 to have to be it it's worth twenty bucks a month to me I mean that's at least said news and information teachers and scholars why don't you care about the people that go to the verge that's I I care about that one Oh Chris today you're awake you you were looking down there I thought maybe like well then my very unusual monitor setup here makes it look like I'm nodding off at all times basically apologized so I'm currently in my brand new apartment in Brooklyn in our office which is yet to be set up which is why everything looks weird and strange I only minutes before the podcast started got like my keyboard and trackpad working there's also echo here I guess so anyway I'm also not in a setup that I'm comfortable with so that's why the show is going so great um anything else you guys want to talk about with CES I mean you're both bringing iPhones well I'm bringing an iphone and I'm also bringing my moto x and x HTC one because invariably a battery will die and i'm just gonna jump my sim over to yeah well no I'm bringing the Moto X and the iphone and the Nexus 5 and someone the nexus 5 dies and i don't feel like charging it i'll switch swap it over to something I've got I've got one of these battery packs I got one one of the knock off ones it's looks horrible a no-name brand that i paid like 30 bucks for for the iphone and then I've got like these crazy like I once took a picture of all the batteries that I have and it's like 10 inches high stacked of external batteries yeah I carry all of them you know what I'm not bringing is my old mini hyper mac laptop charger as well for the win and it feels feels really nerve-racking to not have a giant freakin battery in my bag to back up a laptop yeah plenty of heads up when you're getting low one thing that's been worrying me about my iphone actually I didn't even think about this for CES is gonna be a problem is that it's now completely unpredictable when the phone will turn off between zero and ten percent it's it's the worst like I I had it happen once and I thought it was because I was outside it was really cold and batteries naturally have less capacity when they're super cold so I didn't really think about it but then I was sitting on my couch last night and I had like eight percent left and it just turned off so that's not good you want to know what I'm doing right now what I am buying a charger for a sony nex-6 camera you know why because despite the fact that this in claims that it charges over Mike your micro USB literally not a single adapter I have plugged into it has worked only the one that comes with it works and I've lost it in the move you know I can't charge my camera I've seen Sony's praises for its cameras so many times but it continually urged me and rice drives me mad that they don't pack an external charger in their camera well it axes it's not just it's not just the lack of the external charger like being a charge over bluetooth is actually really amazing are not bluetooth I'm shopping while I'm talking here over micro USB is amazing that's a great but the problem is that they've got like they they had this wattage requirement where if it's the standard what is it 1.1 on an old-style USB and then 2.14 is it 1.5 it's whatever it's one point something in 2.1 and the next six is like to point 0 and so I pads like the edging level or Nexus 7 yeah yeah ipad charging levels won't charge it anything less than that maybe we'll trick retarded if you're lucky and so like it's it's they may as well made a proprietary plug because at least that way I wouldn't believe that it would charge over micro USB and the problem is if you're charging over micro use but you can't like really use the camera and charge at the same time right you know changes this is me ordering a batteries and an external charger and having it shipped to the hotel in Las Vegas right now you know I actually left my charger and see us last year you know what charges over any cable in any situation whatsoever and iPhone 5s oh that's no the rx100 mark to like Billy yeah you can look at that camera and it will start charging like it's I've never I've never been in a micro USB situation where it didn't charge hmm i love that camera it's the only camera in tampa to you see yes by the way this is a huge film okay well we talked CES to death get ready but we should talk about blackberry in the two weeks since we podcasted they have announced their quarterly results which were of course a huge fail they only sold one point 1 million bb10 devices they sold way more blackberry 7 devices which is of course an embarrassment they called off their life blackberry live conferences they mike lazaridis like cut his sold a bunch of stock so that he's not going to pursue a buyout of the company anymore they decided they're gonna stop manufacturing stuff by curry actually manufactured most huge portion of their own phones and now they're like nope sorry to get rid of those factories they're going to have Foxconn make everything for them which is a huge shift a huge I don't we can we can talk about that when you're done wrapping a beautiful well it's actually an important shift for them because to be honest one of the things that they like to brag about is like they own the whole chain and end and that mattered for security of like you know do any levels and they specifically always like to brag about how nothing was made in China and that they manufactured things in Mexico and other places yeah as a security selling point and since we all know that Foxconn is based out of China now that doesn't look like it's going to be upheld Oh bless you that that told me you're catching my cold over the air to attack um I'm infecting you yeah by looking at you look deep into my eyes dieter um and then the last thing is the new CEO John Chen decided he was going to for like the fifth time in the past month tell everybody hey guys BlackBerry's cool we've got a plan and this time he enumerated the plan he the CNBC published this letter that he wrote this commentary that he wrote and his plan for blackberry his like his here's what we're going to do we're in a trim around we're going to focus on the fundamentals their fundamentals are sorry their core business drivers our enterprise BBM unix and the hardware business it's for uh and looking at them like Enterprise yeah like yours you still got a big install base there but you are like one upgrade cycle away and it's fading fast and your Defense Department contracts I know that you've got like more security clearance and most people but it's not going to last very long bro sorry uh next what do we have next ah bbm you think you're gonna make money on messaging next ah phenix yeah okay we'll leave q nicks you'll make a little bit of money there you'll been in some cars you'll make rtos is you'll you'll get some stuff there but it's not going to be like a real business but we're gonna hang onto QX just because yeah that's a viable business hardware business selling blackberry to consumers this is your future blackberry those well planned eater for those of you not watching the video portion of the podcast I just flipped John CEO blackberry the bird does anybody disagree with my analysis of John Chen's plants a blackberry like you shouldn't picked four core things you should have picked one or two and Ben and that that should be it no good but I look this is cowardice this is him like refusing to like burn the things that need to be burned in order for the company to survive in a real way i hears well here's why i don't agree i mean like III think that jen is in the city was built the same impossible impossible hand that torsten was was dell and you can look at any single one of those businesses and if he had said we're just gonna focus on this we would we would have been laughing at him I mean there's no right answer for this guy blackberry has been at the poker table for 10 years and for the past three years like everybody that's been sitting there and the guys I tap out play my next hand for me and the new guy sits down to play the next hand like torsen hind comes in looks at the hand and it's a two and A four and then he gets a tuna for again to 24 again and he keeps betting and whatever he doubles down even though it's different a betting game wrong metaphor but stay with me John Chen is getting that same two and four and at some point what's going on I'm playing the gambler Kenny right oh yeah but so this is you know and this is when we get pulled from you it's not you should no one to hold him and no one to fold them it's you should know when to hold them and no one to flip the table and blow everything you are losing you took like enough things off and that is what he's refusing to do here like you should not be doing like BBM sell it it's not a money maker let it go sell it to who whoever wants it sort of what I bet Samsung you buy it for 50 bucks ya think don't say that these four things are the core of your business just say we're going to do enterprise and there's a bunch of other stuff we'll see what happens with it and that's it you know nokia went from making tires and boots to making cars why can't blackberry go from making phones to making a fine china you know maybe they just need to look for a different business just throwing that out there maybe they need to be a maple so they should have kept their name rim then if they were making glasses in China yeah research on muffin it's true okay yeah it could have made cars yeah all right you know freedom preserves the names appropriate fruit wow I guess you could say they're in a real black know how you're gonna say pickle and it's gonna be like it makes no sense that was actually women way better man listen two weeks ago I had a lot of great cheap owns I need to keep that streak going what are we talking about I don't care anymore oh no I was just noticing like we should have when we were talking about webos we should have brought up the fact that HP is gonna make phones again they're just going to make like basically glorified tablets call them phones and launch a vagina that's the rumor this is hilarious this is hilarious to be on multiple levels first of all they they first of all they have been making this like ridiculous low end android tablet that nobody cares about it like oh yeah it's it's so bad in like i was buying it uh secondly this is the exact same strategy the dell took with its mobile program after it couldn't make a dent with the venue pro in the US yes old low end android crap in china and that went nowhere and then they shut the business down so no why HP thinks it can succeed where delphin each patient just taking microsoft money and make windows phones yes i'm not kidding like they did that back in the day before they about webos that was their mobile strategy make corporate phones that nobody cared about but some businesses would buy make a bunch of money off of those enterprise customers and Microsoft paying him to make those windows mobile phones and it was a win-win and you know some consumers bottom because they love QWERTY keyboards or whatever um they should just do that again like you know there's the rumor that Sony is cozying up and might maybe launched a windows phone in 2014 the information published today tom warren is a little bit dubious because of course sony's talking to microsoft's are talking to whoever they can but I you know I guess I believe it but Microsoft I'm sure is desperate to have anybody be like yeah we support Windows Phone they would give HP a bunch of money to make Windows songs and it would differentiate them because there's no way that HP can compete with anybody in making a quality Android device it just it's not going to happen right yeah they've been down this road too many times at this point it's like it's actually hilarious how many times they've tried and failed to make phones like it because it's not it's not just it's not just webos right like they've they made windows they made windows mobile devices on at least two different occasions Oh more than two I think they probably made a half dozen of them over the years right but I mean like I mean they bought connell compaq had the I packs and then HP bought compaq right no but you guys don't remember their messaging phones they made like three or four qwerty keyboard messaging phones like like moto q knock-offs right yeah I never was they had a really bad name for him yeah was it Glee more glisten the glisten he's gonna listen that's what it's called HP glisten Wow oh man memory is really bad um yeah that was on AT&T right i mean frankly i don't really care what HP does with phones like there's never going to be a thing that HP does with phones that's going to be interesting to me as a consumer as a paying customer I well you don't know that what if they went underneath cybot HP phones I have HP phones a few feet away from me and I'm never going to forgive them for it yeah I've got a vir 4G over there it's branded HP hmm don't your six do you want one yeah bring it bring into vegas i'll take some off your hands uh uh yeah i can't actually really one really have a little party phone man I still have never they take they take the big sims so they're a real pain in the neck to actually yeah and if you if you screw up your sim adapter to put a sim in it it's gone forever you have to destroy the phone to get it out of the little spring ejector thing well there was a period when I like woot or somebody with selling veers for like twenty bucks so f be a huge loss actually what I'd like even more than that those in a t-33 I have that too well of course you do but like I help me yeah um why are we talk about web Alaska and we have to stop uh never never stop never forget we talked about the xperia z ultra and z ultra google play edition on the last bubble show don't know you we last podcast a damn yes so um I've got them got them here they're really big I'm just gonna block out the Sun uh with with these just because they're so big oh I open the camera yeah they're total Lola caca coasters like I've played with these phones they're completely hilarious and yang good play I mean they're like they're super niche products look these things are sold unlocked online you can't go into a carrier store and buy them and they're expensive as heck and they're obscenely large and you know if you are into that type of thing if that gets your fancy going and you want to spend seven hundred dollars on a device like this by the Xperia edition I really do not understand why the google play edition exists because it is literally a blown-up Nexus 5 with a worse camera now don't you think that a z1 google play edition would actually do really well oh my god see what Google Play edition would be amazing i would love c 1 google play edition the problem is this device here uh the Z Ultra is is so big and it's so close to actually being a tablet that when you put like a standard phone interface and phone software on it it just it's like goofy and it's not a great or efficient use of the screen size here and that's what the key difference between the Xperia version and the google play edition is is that Sony actually bothered to do some mate like even the smallest amount of customization for the screen size whereas the google play edition is none at all it doesn't run the nexus 7 software doesn't run tablet apps it runs phone everything just like the Nexus 5 so uh that's why if you want to go down this route more power to you by the Xperia dition is my suggestion they should have put the nexus 7 software on the google play edition right yeah yeah i mean just add a dialer and you're done yeah weird but they didn't so and nosy one seriously the fact that there's no Z 1 actually I think lends credence to my theory that we will see some American one or more American carrier announcements for the z1 at CES and there's probably an exclusive involved I don't think you're wrong but I mean it just goes back to that that's a that's a follow-up announcement to a flagship product that's already been out for months it's not like they're unveiling their new flagship device right right what if we had a SmartWatch 3 at CES is that possible the SmartWatch to hit market in knocked over I think yeah but it was announced but it was announced when a tifa or before then uh it was a sativa yeah okay so yeah that's not here right uh uh whose theater worst eater um they're trying to make an appt work and it's failing so uh let me add it I was gonna I was gonna play the am I here yeah you don't hear yes yeah i was gonna play the criminy this is the worst my god hey guys just let me get back the video what is happening i have no idea how to get back to you guys right now i hear what happened to you I aight i want it i click the youtube app to try and play the ridiculous horrible galaxy gear commercial from youtube and having done that I literally cannot see what's going on right now I would refer to that creep mercial so yeah I wanted to use Google Hangouts to display a YouTube video but it won't let me at it so I'm pretty sure that it it's not allowed to be brought to rebroadcast nevertheless this galaxy gear commercial is an embarrassment it's an utter travesty you know it's super awkward it's super creepy and it's super doesn't work for the market that it appears to be selling to and saucer siegen a PC Mag wrote a piece on this when it was when it came out and he kind of nailed why none of it works in my opinion he was Alexa no I well you gotta what he said he said that uh you know nobody in the video is American it's clearly obvious that they're foreign and English is not their first language and the people that are making the marketing and ahead of this are not from the Western culture and that's why it just doesn't work and it comes off as really awkward and it doesn't fit in with the American market look I mean I get cultural differences and I get that argument and I think sasha was right to make it to a degree but at the end of the day sexism of sexism and churlish hassles or Trish assholes and churlish is a great word the as bad as that is that's not my real problem here my real problem isn't like here's this creepy stalker guy although that's a big problem my real problem is that jerk the pain in the ass guy gets the girl in the end I mean you've seen better off dead I hope if you haven't stopped what you're doing stop watching this and go watch better off dead because using John Cusack is supposed to get the girl the the guy who's clumsy and in the background and isn't sure of himself and has to like rise to the occasion win the day that's who gets the girl in the feel-good commercial not the jerk who's already you know when his samsung ever made a feel-good commercial okay their last commercial what was the privet the the note 3 was about a soccer dude walking through post-apocalyptic yeah like land filled with like homeless children the only good ad i can think that came out of samsung in recent memory was the first galaxy gear ad which was it was it got hit there almost good well I mean some of the switch at some of the iphone lion ads are pretty good and obviously the i believe in a thing called love ad is amazing oh god I forgot about that that was at a superbowl that was a super bowl hyperbole yeah what was it what product was it for us were note it had to have been enough yeah okay it's a samsung Eddie yeah it's it's unfortunate that that they their most recent good add the galaxy gear head was for such a terrible products but what can you do yeah oh they and then they're super glad this year was that the Paul Rudd ad which was terrible yeah oh yeah I remember that and Seth Rogen was in it right yeah yeah uh yeah now they're not letting me find the other commercial I must have been for a note it was I think was a note too because it was a year before last year so maybe there's a note one cuz last Super Bowl the note to would have been on the market so that it must been the original this 2012 let's see if the YouTube app will let me play it play this thing I bet it won't how ironic is that that it won't let you what Samsung's not letting you spread their marketing yeah it really is actually add videos of playlists search darkness no it's a fail whatever well after you watch better off dead go look for that yeah but mostly just go watch better off dead because it's the best what else we have to talk about Oh Sofer Aizen oh no go ahead I was going to save verizon confirmed today to the LA Times that it well best buy confirmed excuse me that it will be carrying a verizon version of the Moto G in the apparently very near future for a hundred bucks off contract which is awesome price great price for a phone uh-huh no LTE and it's prepaid which means that 99% of Verizon customers will not care about it because literally nobody buys prepaid phones on verizon so yeah that's true hello I want to believe that's going to change soon it's changing on t-mobile it's changing on sprint for sure in fact there was a rumor that they already have a book both of them which they really ought to both anyway but both of them offer really like a lot of prepaid options and their competitive plans and everything whatever verizon's prepaid plans right now they were so terrible for so long I don't even know if they've changed or if they're updated or they support smartphones in any decent way that you could buy a lot of data on um so i'm not i mean the Moto G is an important advice and it's a great device for emerging markets and it's important for Motorola and it's cool that you can buy one for 100 bucks in the US without a contract but I don't foresee it being a big deal among actual buying consumers in the US no but it's a big deal in concept it's a big deal you can get a pretty decent phone for honour Bob you so like and then they you know right now cyanogenmod is the thing that you if you're you're into hacking then you put on your phone or if you've got an old android phone that hasn't been updated by your carrier or your manufacturer cyanogenmod gives you a newer version of android and things like that but like say if they want to be a successful company making a profit and all that other fun stuff they need to be just like another HTC Sense or another samsung touchwiz just another option under the Android umbrella for four people so they've got a long lot of work and long road ahead of them I just I want to know I want to know what they're going to do with 23 million dollars I really do because like I could I can see them okay i know i could see them spending 23 million dollars to make something amazing no question i understand that what I don't understand is how they are like the people investing in them think that they have a really good chance at a return you would I would do with 2,300 million-dollar 23 million dollars if I were signage in mud I would rent out excess in vegas for a night and just burn through magnum after magnum after magnum of dom and it just blow it i would get in like afrojack and like who would who would play at that show would you would you get to play pitcher like tiesto yeah Tiesto yeah Afrojack maybe like Gareth on your CV yeah it would just go the party would go from like 6pm to like 6am and then at the end of that the goal would be to have to have not a single dollar left so so to answer deters correct question I think investors are not looking for cited Ramon to turn a profit ever I think they are hoping that they get bought by a bigger company and that's their payout then they hope that Google will buy them and absorb them into Android or an actual smartphone manufacturer will buy them and use them as their self yeah I think that's from your video dan is blowing my mind like just watching you just like sitting there listening to somebody when you're actually talking I know it's driving me nuts and cuz its link layer avatars not updated at all and I a few says they from in frame or not in frame where if I've got a booger hanging off my nose I'm sticking with black and white from now on by the way this pretty awesome I feel pretty boss right here this is aces I don't know which way i remember i think it was last year i can't remember who i was writing about but I i wrote a post and used a black and white picture of them and everyone thought that like that was like code for the person had died haha there were a lot of commons they were like oh my god this person that I gotta find the post now i cant member who was i'm black and white and no real time Wow telling you man black and white is where it's at you guys are going add you should get with the program I don't know how to make it black and white you click yourself and then you have the drop down on the upper right underneath a little thing that says it's live no I only have no i only have profile and mute no click yourself yeah and then when you're big underneath the lie yellow line oh oh i see now you're changing colors compelling radio ladies good so Wow chris is really bad at this so we're getting word from our producer that the stream went down for a couple of minutes to summarize what we were talking about um when did it go down I mean I talked about like I could show you guys how big the phone is again where'd it go it's such a big phone I've lost it we talked about gerbils and Richard Gere Beyonce to you I'll get that reference and we talked about this is big phones the correct pronunciation of the word do GE we talked about why would anybody give cyanogenmod 22 million dollars not that we don't believe in cyanogenmod but we're curious as to how they're actually going to recoup that money for their investors that's fun also we talked about Google Hangouts because we're egotistical maniacs and we only care about the things that are directly in front of our faces oh I also talked about how to throw an insane private party at club XS in vegas for cyanogenmod star yet yes yeah um and with that I think it's time to wrap up the verge cast at the verge cast the verge mobile show we someday we will be as good as a verge cast but that day is not today clearly if you want to follow us on Twitter you absolutely should i am at back Montana's DCC for chris is said power lad who we missed dearly is let's have of Evan who is watching over us I guess I'm looking at his his avatar on the corner it's freaking me out is it Evan R Rogers is that right I think it's known as we centers it's just Devin Rogers okay just evan rodgers with an R it turns out oh and actually you should check out somewhere big stories we docs Doge today we've got a great video from Jordan oplinger on how to take pictures with your iPhone you really should check out super helpful these are their stories of 2013 too so take a look at those follow us at verge leave a comment on this very post on the verge post something in the forums and happy new year everybody bye bye 2013