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greetings mobile accomplishes welcome to the verge mobile show I am dieter bohn i'm dan seifert and i am chris sigler dan and Chris were expecting snappy patter from me before I just dropped my name so that they could get ready with their cover repost proposed proposed I usually I usually like to take a long drink of whatever beverage I'm enjoying while you're going through your opening spiel and you really didn't give me enough time to enjoy a beverage this week little upset about it well normally you have more time to Chris cuz there's it goes it goes dieter Vlad myself you where is flat what's led story we don't know where that is Vlad he's busy he's on the streets of London he's busy air quotes he's not letting so harder there's a werewolf in london maybe American and Vlad has to fight it uh yeah yeah so uh mr. mr. Ziegler do you want to talk about the environment next week actually there are some logistical issues here that maybe our viewers and listeners don't care about but I'm going to share them anyway which is that we don't actually have regular studio time in New York booked for this program which is fine because we don't need studios because we don't but uh but next week I will be in New York possibly for a very long time I might die there yeah um it's a risk it's a it's a genuine risk well no I'm just saying like of old age right like I may just be there well I mean London's got werewolf sand and New York has as Chris tickler yeah you can't leave you just either right Lakers like Hotel California so yes I will be in New York next week uh with I am a little shall we say skittish about having been in Chicago with easy access to delicious pizza for the past 11 years of my life so this is a Chris if you really get homesick there's always a unos dan we already went through this the uno in New York and elsewhere in the United States is a licensee of the uno name if you want real uno pizza there are precisely two places to get it way way way way way way there are few places to get uno shouldn't there be just one ah shouldn't it be called like it should be called do oh no dieter I almost feel like you actually know that the second one is called doing because it is really yeah and you're just setting me up but yes there are two uh wouldn't it be derision alunos there's uno and do a their local would we dos Chicago pizza might not be new york pizza but it's not mexican pizza manish pizza I what I needs one right well no yeah we know me it's one dude do a means to in Italian oh okay see I'm when i see you know I think one in Spanish yeah so oh well who know is one in the right for confusing that fantastic chain restaurant with fantastic Chicago pizza when I want to eat stuff that doesn't taste good like me or feeds welcome to the Virgin Mobile show ad nauseam if flag comes later aqua carrots and avocados yeah an avocado we've actually had requests for more avocado banter really more avocado banter I hope this is enough avocado burger eating avocados is like last ones that aren't paint stained with blood like there's a lot of there's a lot of bad avocados out there that come from poor working conditions so I do actually think there's an opportunity a genuine opportunity for a fresh foods podcast not necessarily hosted by the verge but in the the podcast world in general I think there's probably a good opportunity for that but anyway the getting back to the original discussion here yes as of next week I will be in New York which kind of changes potentially how we are going to record and present yeah the show to you and yours answers yet there's an easy answer for that you just need to go to a place where you can record and obviously the best solution is for you to get in the car that you own and drive there uh I know why you're you're trolling me say I no longer own a car which I also feel very weird about yeah a lot of weirdness in my life this week don't worry name is car ownership sucks yeah it's kind of like home ownership just a big false lie you guys are killing me any mob speaking of dying flappy bird yes flappy bird like has been around and then it had its glorious moment since we last podcasting and then it died unless you happen to have a phone or what I'm outie made by the expensive phone that they're selling that has flat for where are you using android phone you just Google for the APK I do not endorse yeah what dan has suggested or you have a windows phone in which case you're using the clone that is identical to be real game the kerf that's in the Windows Phone store yeah uh so I flappy bird was discussed on the ridge cast I don't really don't have a ton more to add other than it's remarkable and I kind of can't wait until the next thing to seem like flappy bird happens and also if you had any doubt in your mind whatsoever that there is a very strong correlation to draw between apps and pop music hits you need to let that go because one hit wonders are here flappy bird is the nasty I don't want to go with bye bye bye it's what's a good ones I wonder we can go fine I actually they're never going to give you up of apps no I I actually argued exactly not the perfect rickroll I think I think your point is flawed because the developer has like four apps in the top 10 most popular games on united's so who's in who's a good for hit wonder that we can talk about um but the other ones only became hits because they discovered their back catalog right I don't think so I think he's had success in the app store before not to this extent no obviously flappy bird is like you know Metallica wrote for great albums and then had the black album where that took off at everyone Metallica's name but you know that's the first example I could they go as far as i can tell the phrase for hit wonder doesn't appear on the internet anywhere Wow um what was the point ears wonder podcast formerly known as a virgin mobile show we are we clear today how do we not have fun here we go here we go third eye blind is a four-hit wonder thank you they do the semi charmed kind of life song yeah and the the jumpers own yeah there's any charm kind of life is about doing math but you didn't know that says cool fact bro anyways I don't want to talk about bad games I want to talk about Three's cuz threes is like the best game member and yes actually really good game and I hate dieter and Chris because they're really good at it and I'm not very good I'm not got it I don't know what you're talking about deters score is like three times mine well that's like 10 times mine so yeah no matter fun oh my god forehead wonderful he's and gentleman has some time to talk about threes so here's my experience with threes I've gone through yeah I think whenever you you have a new strategy game and I'm going to disclaim this by saying that I'm terrible at games in general and specifically like uh you know games involving like logic and strategy like chess anything that is in the same vein as chess I fail at and 36 flappy bird like you know no flappy bird is is is not it's like a action / platformer right exactly really simple I don't know how you play that's exactly our chess how Chris totally avoided deters troll by not by took I didn't I I I can only be trolled so much in one show anyway I i I've gone through phases with threes where I keep changing strategy it's like first as like well you know the best strategy is to just make sure that you're matching color you know you keep tabs on the next tile and you make sure that you're matching colors as much as possible note that was my second strategy my first strategy was just to push everything into one corner my second strategy was to match colors as much as possible and now my strategy is just yellow I basically just like do whatever and that seeing actually seems to work best that's how we've got all my high scores so if you're not familiar threes is a game on the iphone where you slide numbers around on a board and when they match they double they so you start with three than 6 12 etc etc and our own andrew webster wrote about it and we've all become quickly obsessed with it and the the high score amongst the verge staff has been passed around a little bit j crash snack has had it for a while i believe i have it right now but yeah it's a it's a good game and it's well worth the two or three bucks so yeah I think it's a buck 99 or something but yeah the UM the thing with threes is like there's a lot of games like this on the App Store there's a lot of games of great gameplay there's a lot of games that are addictive and fun to play but like it's these little things in threes that just make it like a real joy to play even if you're not having the best game you've ever played the cards become little characters that say things as you play the same thing Lee I gotta turn the music back on I've been with the music is awesome turn the audio on because the music is awesome they say things like hello and like bored if you like don't make a move for a while and it's just like these fun little nuances of the game that just make it a fun experience yeah it's good it definitely reminds me like there's this entire class of games that concentrate as much on design as they do on gameplay hundreds comes to mind yeah letterpress and you know what's what's interesting about both of those games is that they were flash flashes in the pan right like they they were super hot for like two or three months and they disappeared and I suspect 3s will be the same way because if I play more than three or four games in a row I start to be like this stupid and then I want to throw my phone and eventually I'm gonna get to the point where I feel that as soon as I open the game but right now it's super fun did you ever play a hundred thousand or is it a million I figure what it's called i can't i can't read how many zeros are out here it's a really great game like that i'm not really match symbols and as you match symbols this dude running across the top kills monster it's great just trust me well whatever you do don't play dieter again don't play against eager and again ever evil he will ruin that game for you very quickly yeah don't add him to game center unless you want to be really depressed yeah although I don't know if I'm easy to add on game center because I I've switched my apple ID to a different email address so that it be harder to have my identity stolen after mat Honan had his identity stolen via a vector that included a apple not that it you know it really saves me but I think just searching for an email address might not get you to me on game center no not a lot of people are pals with me on games they're also the process of opening game center waiting for it to actually load hoping it doesn't crash is so painful doesn't really matter also speaking of awesome things this nexus 5 it the red orange is it is i still haven't seen in person is it as awesome in person as it seems it is it is fu red or orange but in a good way right in a great way it is a it is just like shockingly shockingly beautiful yeah I don't understand why they didn't that this from the get-go and I'm very mad at myself for buying the black one because now I can't buy this one ah with it then that gives rice it important question which is is is back the same texture as the black one of the white one black and the sides also equally as important well really because I had heard the opposite um okay well hmm I don't know no it's totally it's it's totally soft like it's not quite as like soft touchy as the black one which is really owes a nebosh to the palm pre in terms of its soft touch feel actually technically there's ladies and gentlemen is your weekly webos reference well if you want to really get into soft touch polycarbonate on phones the phone that that really started at all in my opinion is the treo 750 it did the best job of like proper soft touch diener just leave Assad cast right now of course it did the best job in your opinion look we established before the show started that I began podcasting in 2006 and it was the the trio central trio cast and so yeah that's like if I'm podcasting I'm talking about trios that's just what my life is but we can move on otherwise but but like honestly like this thing is really am awesome and you should you should buy 10 of them hey you guys use pebbles right early some of you do I don't currently because I am waiting on my shipment okay I wanted in front of me and the battery's dead so here's my question and Vlad used one to right that's right what out let's there okay so do you guys have this thing and it's been doing this ever since version 1 point 0 where every once in while the iphone is like a pebble wants to communicate with pebble technology corporation blah blah blah and then like you have to unlock your phone and then it automatically opens the pebble app and then everything is normal again do you guys have that I've had where the so on the iphone it's got two connections it's got a bleep standard Bluetooth connection than a Bluetooth le connection which supports the notifications and sometimes the Bluetooth le connection drops and it will ask to reenable that yeah I think that's what's happening it's super annoying because of like it forces you to open the pebble app like there's no way around it you can't even like just hit pair and then move on with your life you hit pair and then the app opens it's insane anyway I'm gonna have to talk sounds like the absolute worst Chris it isn't you guys what's right for both of you that applies with respect to the iphone you talking about yeah yeah yeahs android it's just straight up bluetooth at least the the versions that i'm using and like I've used pebble way more than to it than I have an iPhone because you can be with at least with the supporting apps not I don't know what to point out but you'd be way more discriminate about what doesn't doesn't get pushed out to the pebble and you can change it when you feel like it what 2 point 0 is way better non-iphone way he bet my promise I I don't want email showing up on my phone screen I'm uncomfortable with that for whatever reason but I'm totally comfortable having it show up on my watch so there's about education that I would like to have my watch that I can't on an iPhone because I don't want them on my phone screen actually and I don't know if this is a bug or if it's intentional or what and I've been meaning to Google around on this and figure out what's going on but for some reason that's exactly how mine behaves I don't have gmail set to show on my lock screen but it still shows up on my watch mmm well it depends I think if you do it if you set it up inside the app it used to be then it would work because it was a direct thing I don't know it's been a while yeah through Notification Center that it follows those roles and um speaking of notification centers oh nice 8.1 leaks Technology Center do you remember back in the day when when Trent produced the podcast and if there was a really good segue he'd inject the sound of a segway scooter do you remember that I do remember that it wasn't a segway scooter it was the Jetson yeah I was gonna say the segways don't make noise no it Lisa Jetsons no no there no there's at least one occasion where he actually used like a segway scooter I'm sure of it try it if your list in Trenton isn't listening I know why it's okay I'm gonna email try to ask him about this either deters right I think it's the jetsons amp yeah well I the important thing is that I successfully derailed eaters pretty good transition so Windows Phone 8.1 seems to be kind of awesome like support for soft buttons a proper notification center which is called Action Center which seems to actually like perform or do the way you'd want it to slightly improved camera interface they've changed the way that multitasking works so that apps don't fully quit out they can they can still reside in the background but then you can quit them manually by swiping them instead of hitting a tiny stupid little X you know just a slew of stuff that there's improvements all over the place sec I haven't seen a pip update for a phone this big in a while I mean I guess seven to 7.5 was um you know of this caliber but this this seems like a really nice update for windows phone and I'm excited to see phones running it yeah i was talking to tom about this earlier today and he and I both agreed that like this is a lot more than we expected microsoft to roll out for happy point one and it really feels like it should be called windows 9 but i mean i guess they're keeping 8.5 I mean whatever but I guess they're keeping it in line with Windows 8.1 which you know lots of signs at this point to Windows RT and this kind of merging together all right finally so so that kind of makes sense that they're calling 8.1 but uh you don't know when what Windows RT is by the way like I have no idea like what it is who uses it what they use it on it's not a clue there are currently like in two devices that run ever I know the surface 2 and that nokia tablet nobody else makes RT devices anymore so it's essentially Microsoft's own operating system for its own devices yeah but anyways uh you know it like dieter said it looks great for windows phone 8.1 made uh it's bringing a lot of things that we've been asking for for a long time which maybe should have been there a long time ago but you know they're finally coming and it seemed i think the word is that we're going to see this around april which isn't too far away Wow that isn't far away at all um you know what's kind of what's going to cause complete havoc and I'm just gonna throw out a completely hypothetical situation here all right I'm imagine if microsoft says oh well you know uh the lumia 1020 is going to get a point one uh and like one or two other phones he isn't yeah the 920 isn't like all these other phones aren't going to get it like it's gonna be windows phone 8 verses 7.8 all over again that was a huge fiasco yeah it was about timing i I'm sure that Microsoft eventually rolled out 7.82 some phones but where are they waiting for it for like a really long time nobody cared what it finally arrived right so i am going to say I trust Microsoft not to do that that if your phone ran windows phone 8 that you're gonna be able to run 8.1 I wasn't that the whole purpose of moving from seven to eight yes it would but they don't like it modern a kernel modern infrastructure in the whole shooting match yeah I guess but it's like I'm sure Tom's yelling into a screen right now like that's my goal in every pot because I know that Tom watches us so I just want to make sure that Tom gets upset at what we're talking about at least once per show yeah I tom I because Windows Phone even have Instagram yet right which the wait for that right and vine well though they got fine is really important yeah I must really dumb okay so cam Aaron Cameron Cameron Cameron cam Aaron wants to know does it matter how good windows phone gets can they dig out of the hole that they're in so we kind of talked about this last week where I was like we need to stop thinking of them as being in a hole they're definitely in a hole in some markets but in other markets they could actually do okay and they just need to focus on those i would give Windows Phone another try if they could make nice with Google like I would give it like more than like a you know I'd give it the old college try I'm just said Tom just tweeted that he's upset you think that's that's a very you don't know what that's about us though he's just generally upset i would baby weight yes sir is there is there a footy match going on because he's always upset about sex oh I love it when people talk Hoodie match what yeah he does treat about podia Lannister it's always around like four in the afternoon my time and then like Tom starts complaining about some some soccer game so here's what you need to know about tom he's a huge asian so you're not sure if tom is it's Tom Warner resident Microsoft expert who is he's an enormous Manchester United fan you should tweet at him like things about man you you should send him man you like in products and souvenirs huge fan anyway yeah I'm sorry guys sorry it's late it's making the day I I overslept which is the reason I have a red nose and I'm late for the podcast so I'm already in a position to defend Europe at the moment this entire assault I'm the good name of Tom Warren and our entire continent I just don't know what to do about it just ah yeah I'm just gonna shrug and say on top just let it completely start by just a dentist's point about Microsoft as a chance to make scoop of Google I mean that if it's just way too big for me I guess far as I'm concerned from what I've seen since the beginning the real problem like google has with Microsoft is google doesn't want a competition what do you say google is afraid of Microsoft getting in oh who has some other disagreement that's kind of taken out on Microsoft in this way the fact is reason there isn't a good YouTube app from with this phone there isn't a good gmail app etc is because Google doesn't want playbook and I don't think it's we wanted to do so ever since the beginning because I mean to me I just see it is google being defensive on a mobile front what do you think i mean it's its defensive but at the same point it's like like google so far ahead that it doesn't need to be defensive in this way I mean I think like maybe maybe this has to do something with how much you know oft as you know gone after Google in certain areas for search dominance and claimed that Google has a monopoly and all these things and you know actually gotten somewhere with especially European authorities and things like that so I don't know maybe this is Google's way of taking out I don't know but yeah it's not the google support it does make it very difficult at least for myself i know a lot of us a lot of people that rely on google services which seems to be growing every day google gmail subscriptions are growing not shrinking so that's a big thing that makes it difficult to move over to windows well absolutely but but i would also say it's a little bit different from the search situation where bings existence actually helps Google because it keeps Google out of antitrust situations at least even more severe ones that already exist because at least is some sort of sort of I book that's you know somebody you can say hey Bing exists those guys can take a bit of the end trust heat of Google doesn't read the case with their mobile strategy but I agree with you I think that Google is way far ahead and can afford to be a bit more relaxed about it but then we can also say that about Apple in the iphone and Steve Jobs used to spend Ernie schools talking trash about Android and now Tim Cook is just taking up the baton is doing the same thing like every chance he gets he talks trash about Android you know crappy tablet experience um whatever it is formally disease companies up one was he got somebody asked about the google selling off motorola and he had an acerbic thing he said that google isn't committed enough yeah i think it's it's really hard to do hardware and software services and link all those things together that's what makes apple so special it's really hard so I'm not surprised that they're not going to do that I mean in all honesty that's that's just kind of like a slightly meaner way of what we've been saying that Google just didn't have the patience to ride that out yeah well it's not I mean that's not the only factor but I think that it's one of the factor there's is that Google didn't want to wait for it was a pretty well toned I gotta say he gets he gets credit from that for that from me same interview he also was pretty evasive about what the new categories were and he's like you know there's going to be two categories and no reasonable person would say that this isn't a new category which is a weird way to couch it but whatever categories being new products that apple is expected to rice that new front not another iphone not another ipad not another mac not um maybe i don't know like i would say not another apple TV but maybe it is something in that zone doc to say anyway we should actually get back on the the Windows Phone horse because Nokia's got news coming up we're expecting that it's gonna unveil the Normandy ironically not windows phone news they've also got this mystery Windows Phone that we saw the YouTube video for which there's been speculation that it's the verizon icon I think yeah this has been talked about for a long time a rumored or something at least yes'm uh go ahead dear I'm sorry not so i don't know normandy and nokia phone running android so i think Tom's not to not to bring the talk back on to Tom but he summed this up really well the other day in a tweet he's like if you don't care about nokia Asha phones you're not gonna care about nokia normandy phone even if it runs android right yeah so that's that's pretty much what it is and i think like you know we've talked about this before about how it's a great way for Microsoft to bring its services to the lower lower markets where Asha is that where they currently don't run extra phones don't run bang they don't run out look they don't run a whole host or onedrive now whole host of services that android phones can run so it's it's a good way for that and the other side is that you know no key has had these kind of subversive factions that have managed to push products to market before so it's I'm not hugely surprised at this is going to market um a lot of people have said its egg on the face of Microsoft maybe it is I don't know I totally is I if they can push their services though that's like all that matters right man if it's an android phone I mean like it's it's not a win for Google because it's an android phone that wont run Google Play so it's like Google doesn't care uh-uh and if it's able for Microsoft to be able to push ping and outlook and all these other services to a whole new audience in a whole new market then that's a win for Microsoft and bear in mind that from the consumers perspective they will never hear the word android like you don't hear with from amazon and you're not going and it looks like a windows phone like the interface that we've seen the leaks interface that we've seen look like Windows Phone interfaces right which will clash jarringly with the android apps yeah whatever well I mean that's the thing though right because they are not going to have google play I'm nokia presumably will be curating app availability very closely um so with that might end up being a non-issue to some extent yeah I mean to mine so something like the Amazon App Store on there just make it essentially a paradise of great apps yeah amazon appstore and Yandex those those eruptions on the yola phone does your phone have Amazon action I know has unix anything hasn't pretty loaded but it's one of the recommendations that they make well regarding Yandex and not just not just Russian but also Chinese app stores it's probably safe to say considering the market segment that Normandy is going after that there will be an opportunity for them to load a lot of asian and russian app stores on these phones right yeah so that one fly in in the US but you're not going to see the normandy on any US carrier i'm assuming i think so we don't we don't see any asha phones here so right exactly so okay we saw a couple Samsung leaks we saw there's some some icons and well they had that they were teasing these new icons that look very decent but I think you made the point that they look flat a flat was wow that's pretty good actually no I'm like that but notice you're here's the thing when it's the last time I mean we still make fun of samsung for TouchWiz but seriously when it's the last time anyone at Samsung has said the word touch woods oh you've been a long time and they are they always jump on me whenever I mentioned touch ways or tweet TouchWiz that like we don't call it TouchWiz anymore yeah okay fine whatever I'll call it i'll call it life companion self wear whatever you want Susan listen they stop talking about TouchWiz and they started putting s in front of everything yeah and now there's another girl instead of putting s in front of everything they're putting five after everything yeah everything to the power of five so life speed curiosity everything to the power of on it so having a cup well I'm sorry blood go ahead then go ahead well I was just gonna say there's been a couple of reports and samsung's new software is going to be toned down that they've had these agreements with Google and those part of the reason that Google sold Motorola was that it made these agreements with Sam something that Samsung is going to back off of all of its s software or a lot of it at least and promote the native google apps and we seen we've heard those reports samsung itself released these icon sets today uh but other than that you know we have no idea what the s5 looks like there haven't been any hardware leaks we saw there's been some very kind of sketchy leaks saying the specs of it that it might have this processor and a 1080p screen or whatever but we still have no idea what the design looks like which is pretty remarkable I think we mentioned this last week or whatever that's pretty remarkable we haven't seen any leaks of it with it supposedly but it's not it's not remarkable the Samsung has done a tremendous job of keeping its phone secret for the past like 20 18 months it's remarkable it's still remarkable in the whole scheme or the whole world of consumer electronics were literally everything leaks I mean yes it's samsung has done this before where it's kept everything quiet up until the release it's still remarkable that it's doing dan can I live vicariously through right now and would you do me the favor of eating a cookie dough oreo which I still can't find in Chicago I will actually need to leave my seat to go get them I love this I want one so bad but i can't find they're not good man they taste like day-old coffee not good i don't recommend uh while we're on the topic I'll give my quick review of the new special edition Oreos the marshmallow crispy ones which have a golden cookie are edible they're not bad I would not buy them again the cookie dough I once which have a chocolate cookie are not very good and I definitely would not buy them again that really sucks i had high hopes for the cookie dough on yeah me too it sounds like a great idea I mean they should what happen if you put a cookie dough Oreo in the oven and like baked it perfect right you get like a solid cookie in between two like overdone way through no I mean maybe maybe cookie dough Oreos would be awesome like broke it up and crumbled into vanilla ice cream but on their own not very good and what they should have done is just taken like raw Oreo batter and put it in between two cooked oriya wafers I don't know if anyone wants to really know what rod Oreo batter looks like that's true I'm trying to decide if i woke up or if i'm still go for a nice are you talking about anything right oh god I'm just gonna drag this ride back to icons I don't give a damn if I was gonna go to your deviate although the oreo and see is the iconic cookie so I think that's an appropriate segue yeah enough quick quick quick mention the icons somebody in front enough in our facebook comments mentioned this and he was spot on they very much remind me as well of symbian the latest versions of symbian buy nokia's things like Symbian Belle and they're very clean so all the gradients have been taken out it so dual color so and so circular so Symbian Belle had this kind of squared circle rounded square shape this is a these are circular but they they keep that same sort of flat design and just two colors what a would say chance of you to say that they're pulling this stuff from Simeon when the obvious obvious thing is that they're pulling flat this flat ideas not of the icon iOS 7 yeah by 07 does a lot of gradients there's no gradients here Samsung's icons is specifically the thing that stood out to me is that they've eliminated the gradients at least in the ones we see now the having some leeks with show gradients which are much closer to iOS 7 but in general I have the strong feeling that well they've got gradients in the icons on iphone anyway I have a strong feeling that the design of the software on the the next Galaxy phone from samsung is like just now getting pinned down from radically different visions I think that they had that weird stuff on the tablet there's rumors at Google you know making them tamp stuff down we've seen various conflicting leaks we've seen these icons that don't seem to match up super well I I am betting that like what we're gonna get is going to be kind of a hot mess of a bunch of stuff that got like finished last minute but actually does matter you wouldn't give that was sensing anyway imagine imagine Samsung just like releases the s5 it's got killer cutting-edge hardware and that it's just like running stock Android 44 and then it just like drop some I can walk to it that'd be pretty awesome instead of websites money for a google edition just saying it would pretty awesome so did you see this rumor over at the information that they're creating an API where it will track stuff that you type and then i create a service called context so that other apps can see that you're completely obsessed with oreos and so when you open up amazon it will know that you search for oreos all the time and it will suggest REO stuff to you that's like that's really speaking as someone who loves to be targeted by ads that even terrifies me yeah okay so hang on so you live your life in a browser on your desktop and you know Google knows what you're searching for it's got a text box that you're typing stuff into all the time in your browser or on google's homepage and that gets used to target stuff to you all the time so if is is a difference that you don't trust Samsung to be a good steward of that information I don't trust the apps that Sam's that could potentially be requesting that is yeah but hang on google shares the that like target information with the sketchiest of sketchy websites I'm sure when you're doing stuff on your browser like the only difference between what Google does and what Samsung is doing is that this is on your phone and it's Samsung and they're like targeting more than just what you type into a browser well I think we don't know I think there's a lot of unknowns here like like you said they're targeting more than what you type into your browser so is it reading all the text messages that i send is it reading all the private email communications that i said because it's is it capturing literally everything i type into the keyboard and you know a lot of people have take issue with like third-party keyboard apps that you can install on android because the the biggest permission that they have on them is that this can read everything you type and you know what are they doing with that data so that's the kind of lesser evils it's not just a party keyboards i was just going to say that is no different to what google's keyboard available to play store once permission for yeah but we don't believe that Google is using that information for ad targeting do we well it is a matter what the information is being useful the point is using keyboard because that goes well yeah but what I'm saying is it doesn't matter for you to be you know upset a word about it for you to know whether it's for ads or for some other purpose it the risk is there that's my point so you saw the google keyboard and first mission you give is this can record all the information that you type in doesn't matter what application what you're doing start typing wicker record of this data so that's sufficient for you to have a security work to ask you a question I think speaking candidly yes you we don't trust Samsung as much as we trust Google I mean Google operates of the United States even you know people in Europe we're more familiar with the u.s. previous regime and you know the ethics that Google is subjected to whether it appears to them or not and Samsung frankly is okay I'm not gonna say it because I like to be alive and everything but yeah it is this big octopus like company with all of these subsections and samsung Display company which is a separate company but it's also subsidiary and there's always stuff going on and it's just unfamiliar so it's kind of a scary proposition I think that the challenge for sams like will be if it does indeed plan to do this is to show the value that is going to provide to me the user with all this data that it's country google has 10 like so well i mean google has whether you know it's it's actually providing value to me or it's convinced me that this is valuable you know i find things in my google now cards all the time for stuff that i search for that you know is kind of interesting so you know if Samsung's able to prove that to me that letting it capture all of this about all of this content or all of this some information is going to be valuable to me and it can do all these cool things and grey that's going to be the hard sell Google's already proven that it's been doing it for years it's you know improving the searches it's improving things with flight recommendations and airline status and all this other stuff that it already does so listen but I think the way to summarize this is first of all these TouchWiz icon so whatever Sam so it was cool to software well those are the okay guys let's do this let's let's right now here now decide are we gonna just keep calling a touch waves in the same way we've decided that with we're calling it metro and I don't care what Microsoft that Microsoft Fitch elated I mean it's going to like pin TouchWiz on samsung forever because it was terrible once or do we want to come up with like the other option and I think the one that Samsung prefers is Samsung user experience no no go ahead like denuded words that have no I'm sayin reference and passion like meaning samsung calls it i mean i think we should go a lot of such ways we should call it life experience or Life Companion move on overwhelming support though I wanted Samson said a word samsung Simon look we can go to send them softly lately samsung weeks is here to freaking burn it seems like software sinner face sinner face is pretty good sooo trophies alright so glad finish your thought about this interface okay and I'll focus on the sim part of this interface but yeah I think yeah is versatile you know you can read it a whole bunch of ways I think first of all I'll take your comments okay i'm going to try finish the centers here ok coming from comment somebody said whatever alternative you give me to the currents in the old TouchWiz icons is an improvement so we don't need to be too picky about these and after we still just talking about an icon set it's just teaser there's two weeks into over 24 when Sam so very much seems likely to announce this galaxy s5 like Danny saying we don't know much of anything about the hardware we started to build an idea about the software what I would say is even if Samsung like teacher is saying is working to scale things back customizations try me cleaner and more basic as these look suggests it is really going to build into a hot mess because right now one of the icons that is being shown is a style icon which again is simplified but its graphical representation is the same thing as the stock Gallery icon in android so the very least is going to happen there is that people going to be compute it's gonna look like Gallery icon yep but it's called style we don't know what the hell is going to be but if that's your photo gallery then we got a problem John ledger asks in the the hangouts Q&A I don't think it's a real job under again but hi do we realize that if it is called the samsung user experience the best abbreviation for that is su as beautiful that it actually be su ex soup anyway look I I am I am willing to reserve judgment on this thing until we see it right like Samsung has a very checkered past when it comes to this stuff both and throwing way too many features in lots of weird little corners and just having like ugly design and I would love to see them turn that around I think it would I Connor actually the seconds are actually a step in the right direction and give me a little bit of help oh I think we can consider that there it will have been made progress if they just took it out the option where you can choose Comic Sans as your font that is progress yes please please allow me to do that hey and you know what else the Sony Xperia z1 compact from Saudi has a white balance adjustment that is the first phone of seeing white balance adjustment I would like more companies to kick click that out and just just have those extra tweaks available because particular with Samsung enters AMOLED displays sometimes they over saturate we discussed the whole blue tinting with displays etc so that would actually be kind of a nice bit of new functionality for me rum ok we gotta talk about HTC so they just signed a huge patent agreement with Nokia they stopped suing each other which is great but they also had a quarter where they broke even ray but they're gonna lose money again soon boo and then cheaper phones that's gonna solve everything for them which knew it would we move it is they're gonna have they they have to provide phones across I mean they can't be can I got the number gene whatever I mean I'm telling me it depends on the market that they're going for if they're going for the market in China there cher Wang in her comments made a very good point that the phones in our stores cost five hundred dollars or more and most of the phones sold in China are 152 like $225 so if they're not like selling phones in that space uh and they want to be uh in that market then then yeah they're gonna have to release cheaper phones yeah maybe they don't have to they don't have to spam the US with those cheaper phones but well is the idea that those cheaper phones are like gonna become a profit Center for them and like save the company I mean no no no I think there's a lot of other things that need to happen as well but well no but hands like I do you feel like HTC is just kind of out of ideas at this point and it's really making me sad because it's a glorious company with a glorious recent history and well no that's not true they've got one idea is it was realistic about wearables and it's not going to be just another wearable right yes they're talking about but that's my point what I've seen over the past and four or five years is every time a mobile company has got a desperate its design decided to retrench to emerging markets so nokia would you still go with symbian was like we still got all of this market share we're going to work in the emerging markets even love just kept talking and talking about that until you've got the company pulls out and the whole device you know division shut down and oh by Microsoft now BlackBerry has been doing the same thing i were really big in indonesia it's like no emerging markets and a high volume of low profit margin devices like these says i'm not going to say so that is really a common idea that HTC trying to retread wearables are common idea that HD is trying to jump on and you know good luck to them out to see HTC you know capture that market but again it's nothing new now and finally the really disappointing thing for me is Peter chair with a quarterly results that would just announced that yesterday in fact let's say we're going to communicate better with the consumer it's like that's a marketing was your solution this time last year and now you're just rehashing the exact same solution that you haven't done anything about over the past four months I mean what I mean they're they're in a really tough spot they can't fight samsung on marketing dollars they're not integrated stack developing a ton of their own software they've got you know they got blink video so I they there is a steep steep hill that HTC has to climb in order to be successful and I don't know I don't know how they climate I don't know like what like what possible innovation unless it's wearable is the bee's knees if they actually had a wearable that fit on the knees of bees that could be interesting yeah I mean something around Scott croyle is a is a pretty talented industrial designer and I have a pretty strong feeling that whatever we see out of them and the wearables department is going to be unique yeah I don't think that they're out to replicate the galaxy gear and if they are then god help them but you know one thing really the only thing that in terms of their high-end smartphone game about the only thing that I can identify at least in the US that hurt them last year was the extremely delayed available the of the one on verizon but other otherwise there really wasn't anything that I felt like they totally stumbled on well I mean I don't know if it was just a funny image of what they didn't really have great marketing or a whole lot of marketing yeah but I don't think they could have done any I mean just considering their marketing budget i'm not sure that they could have up their game their much all they could have gone be list instead of paying for Robert Downey jr. that's really you know they could have had carrot top the thing that I noticed different uh in 2013 vs2012 is is even though uh HTC didn't really sell it anyone exes there are quite a few AT&T commercials for the 1x and I don't recall seeing the same for the one yeah something all right so what HTC inevitably fails Schumann wants to know who's going to buy him actually I'm not gonna say they know you feel but if they were to fail and decide on something I baloney lenovo already got their company right they they shopped around they got rejected by Canada for my blackberry like a scorer we'll just go with motorola's that like yeah but lenovo already had a a smartphone business so I'm do you know when I continue collecting smart phone companies that's just like there's something boltron just like my beloved attorney to a giant awesome company you get the motor then you'll have the moto 1 x yeah just saying throwing out ideas I mean think about it can you imagine a 1x with HTC's industrial design sensibilities that would be a truly epic product here's my oh my here's Mike 1x advice that it exists no one comes motorola 1x are you ready yeah you ready I am sorry I Moto X naught when I I always do that I always called the moto one ex I mean the Moto X here's gonna here's who's gonna buy HTC are you ready you guys standing by yeah think about it it was Isis yeah that's right think about both in Seattle I mean it would make sense yeah make perfect sense yeah that mean there are but then amazon puts his calls in the table and essentially announces to the world we are building a smartphone if they don't know which body she see because they already built the Smurfs oh well i mean they could wait until so the rumor in late 2013 was that HGC was partnering with amazon for its smartphones which i think there are two or three that that are in the pipeline or at least there amazon is playing around with so amazon could wait until the first generation kindle phones come out and then by HTC to thought I mean it is super convenient it is serendipitous that HTC has a large facility in in the Seattle area and of course amazon has head headquartered there so that would be there would be some synergy there that would work out very well yeah by chance I wanted to it could buy t-mobile well n HTC and then it could have a smart phone company and a mobile network to run the smart phones on and never leave Seattle ever ever is t-mobile being run out of Seattle as well yeah yeah t-mobile's at least until print buys them oh but that's not gonna happen is it but just briefly I just want to say and it just builds and do just points about what was it you say say the help link video I mean that that to me is the point with HTC you you have you have a company and you have a budget of energy and time the UKISS man on developing your proposition to people so if you spend your time on blinkfeed if you spend your time or things like HTC watch and things like HTC Sense and five point 0 + 5.5 and I don't know what it's going to be next version 6 photo and those things are not compelling to people they are bringing new consumers in and getting people to buy you know to make repeat purchases of HD devices well this is where you end up I mean Tim Cook is right you can do the hardware but you can't just do that well you have to do the software as well and this is where HTC has consistently been fighting me would keep saying this industrial design is HTC strength it keeps naming it keeps doing it well well and write it like okay so here's a great example Zoe's right the HTC the the one has got that little thing where you can take a picture and then it's like a moving image and then you can upload it to their service but it won't stay there forever because why would you want that to happen and then you share them in there like flash and like it whatever the little movies are look like if you don't have the chops to run a cloud sir this and like distribute your brand new media format and don't run a cloud service that takes a Zoe and converts it into a gif or a jiff if that's how you prefer it's pronounced how cool would it be to have a phone that has the jif camera that like it takes a picture and five minutes later you've got an animation of the best am so that you can embed anywhere right I fear something you kind of job that they didn't know disappoint with the latest version of Zoe I do think that you have a built-in jiff creator well I'm not Zoe I think it's in the photo gallery app that's fine but you're absolutely right data it's is the most convoluted jiff maker in the world so your pitch to people isn't you have a juice maker now in your gallery and you can get it on your HD phone you can stick it on Instagram and everybody would love you for it because you you look pretty cool no they're like we do Zoe photos and yeah people need to understand what Zoe is they need to decode it and it's just so convoluted and messy that ultimately puts people off an editing body using it and and then the end the other thing they're sharing service you're absolutely right is so over branded as well as not being more functional than all the other ones its own branded so HTC Zoe I'm sharing a Zoe with the world like they assume it's kind of like set from my iphone in order for anybody to want to have all this signature that identifies your device they need to feel proud of the device in the first place and agency just is in that position anymore it's Apple does the case you know you need to give people reason to want to push your brand and they're not doing that right I mean if I told somebody that I was standing in with Zoe they'd be like no thanks and I ready to have kids yet right like or all I know thanks I've already watched the West Wing uh-huh where I'm not a big fan of new girl there you go I actually haven't watched new girl at all that's a good shot I'm actually I'm a fan of it become I was just I was mad at her because like Ben Gibbard really I mean come on but then she left it right she like yeah she left him yeah she's like I kind of want to be a movie star so see ya so I know what you'd be waiting so the star of the grill uh zooey deschanel was dating ever married actually start their season the names ooey pronounce away death cab for cutie and death cab for cutie had like three great songs or like oh man these guys gonna rock and then they got super emo and then psycho they're just as more conventional over again and then I gave up on them but like that they she managed to be cool enough long enough to land her and so I was always just bitter about that that's all she I better and she is now so there you go I have literally nothing to contribute to this kind of I mean the challenges HTC faces to you know get back into business when you have even just the name is yeah exactly like they's if you see married Ben Gibbard right and they just that was a mistake who should they have married um oh I don't know Robert Downey jr. but that came too late it is but like in his coke fazer in his clean face either definitely the cook face he'll either way you know I have to say thanks by buy low sell high goodnick open early just to extend this whole thing this whole stupid terrible metaphor of ours Robert Downey jr. as a for as a you know a promoter of HTC's trying to me is kind of yeah as a fisherman for HTC it strikes me is kind of like Jennifer Aniston in her desperation phase where she's trying to prove that she can you know have a hot boyfriend she's like just find me somebody you know to I don't think they're you know Robert Downey jr. is one of the most well-known movie stars in Hollywood right now he the the Iron Man franchise remade his career uh and you know the fact that he's so well associated with iron man and like high technology and things like that kind of makes sense that he's at work is she eating bushes energetic fun um I'm just saying that agency is desperate and it's just show it look the highest-paid movie star of 2013 was in the rock Johnson rock and what are you know drill yeah it's true and and so you see she should have hooked up with the rock really yeah man I mean he's definitely the guy who works at at the most you can tell they all right but why didn't he I believe me like 66 million dollars last year yeah his packs are larger than Vin Diesel and that to every every fast and furious movie that the rock is in like he can make it bigger yeah his arms bigger and it's like chest gets bigger and he just like because more towering and menacing and they need like smiles and he's like oh I'm a nice guy but I could crush your face it's really tails done all right just wait ski this guy scarlett johansson spunk mrs. johansson johansson are you Swedish now Johan yeah maybe she is a case of deal with her sound like a Swedish name I mean it's certainly no dick I never hurt anyone's getting me on Hanson before I have currently well my publicist is to me you know the biggest failure of this year so far all right I have the most marketable actress in Hollywood and you associate her with freaking SodaStream well okay you associate her with the israel-palestine conflict which is the most intractable conflict that nobody should be commenting on if they don't want to have you know the head yo dove by one side or the other and you stick your actress into that I mean she could've the commercial whole market in anything the commercial also sucks like she's like I don't know what they're trying to prove but but she's like I'm gonna make this go viral and then she like just stands there for a minute and then that's the end of the cover it's terrible hey man we're talking about it so musta gone viral yeah stream that was the plan all along do we want to talk about how a sprint thought that they could go roll into the FCC you'd be like hey guys how's it going the answer is like nope not virgin nope you're not buying about by and t-mobile it's like I could have told this look I mean all sprint had to do was bring me in as a consultant like a month and a half ago gave me a hundred thousand dollars and I could have been like nope isn't gonna work no matter what out of the border like walked out of it yeah what do you guys want to do is nope nope okay but they could have saved so much time and effort and money if they had just brought me in in December to tell them this yeah like did anyone think this this was remotely a sprint chairman masayoshi son and CEO dan hesse accorded the wall street journal they were shocked by the opposition within the FCC well then they should both lose their jobs because anyone with half a brain could have told them that this wasn't going to happen yeah and why is that Chris because the market is the market dynamic is completely different now than it was in 2011 when the FCC shut down 18 tease acquisition of t-mobile and it has become much more competitive now so if they shut down that acquisition in 2011 what would possibly lead them to believe that a more competitive market 2014 would see regulators approve a sprint purchase of t-mobile just didn't make any sense well their their idea is that they would be a better competitor to the other big to that right now it's the big two duking it out on top and then sprint t-mobile kind of on a lower tier and that if they were to combine then they would like get up to that upper tier and then there would be a true three-way competition instead of a two-way competition with Sprint t-mobile well I would you be the chairman that's I'll be the first to admit the den dan has it dan has he is a sad panda I get it but John ledger has created this arsenal of quotes that would work against him in any merger scenario right like he has done nothing but try to convince people that they are the most hyper competitive uh like you know fu 18teen verizon carrier on the market there there is nothing depressing about their message there's nothing depressing about the prospects they're growing they're adding subs like it just you then he's working against the whole deal not to mention the fact that even if for an tmobile did merge they'd still be something like 25 to 30 million customers smaller than AT&T and Verizon so they they wouldn't like be top tier competitive they occupy this like weird third place that can't quite reach yeah it's terrible i dinnae already so to curse this point is at some point in legend right so that's that that's that is that and that also is the entire verge mobile show we want to thank you so much for listening and watching and we want you to comment on the post on the website the verge calm where the show appears you can also tweet at us I am back one flat a flat Sabba dan is DCC for chris is Z power we are all at verge could also head into the forums and talk to us there will be back next week probably maybe definitely yes good night everybody see ya