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hello everybody I am Justin McElroy welcome to the Future yeah you were in the past what this is the future we're not we're no longer on the same timeline I'm actually having schisms yeah old time we'll jump Diane Torrance slaughterhouse-five star exactly my grandma died again this guy that's not cool but maybe you'll go back and see her be born again would be beautiful in that mean is my symmetry I'm Josh Topolsky and this is Justin McElroy of course who else would it be it's not like I mean this could be Ross Miller but it's not this time your schism your time water your rocks we see when we cross streams anyhow so we're back after following the incredible breathtaking emotional emotional definitely Xbox one event TV heavy what do you think may not me I am ready to watch TV again I stopped watching TV for a long time but now I'm ready no you did find what you're looking for I can finally find some shows you're good with no it was a very it was a very interesting confident first off we didn't get into games for about 30 minutes yeah game it was very light very relatively why I mean very known quantities Call of Duty FIFA that was so that was interesting with the features they show the connectivity and stuff like that is is definitely much more of a mass-market play I think then Sony was was showing up during their should we should we talk about like so they started the event with make sure the hardware before anything they show the hardware and the controller they kind of like got into it and then they very quickly went into TV and Kinect functionality and there was a big emphasis on gesture controls voice controls and I feel like the thing that people hear that you and I seem most excited about at the at first and other people in the room was the whatever the pinch to get that something was like so the Kinect is always watching you oh and always listening is that is the Xbox off connected and carrots gonna keep watch the so but in the Xbox's is you can it's always on mm-hmm like you wake it up by speaking to it but it's never fully asleep remember fully out oh it's always so it's listening to you all the time at home perfect and watching you perfect 2013 dude yeah why'd you strike your limit Jay man fully nude yeah he's gonna be like that's a great outfit hey listen I'd like to recommend this new fitness game we got you you just said for me to order your pizza are you sure you want me to I'm not so sure I don't know the ones still over there look I mean but they didn't really address that better that is no case it will be like sort of a way so let's start with the TV stuff yeah the illegal interest what do you think um it just seems so strange to me because first off the the first TV integration they showed off was actually the ability to switch to live TV right which is interesting from a perspective of like connectivity I'm it's cool that onto switch input I guess that's kind of neat right one controller yeah that's cool they have a guide a guide yet built into it but who is I just didn't know people were watching live TV I mean I know that I know that people are obviously still watching live TV I shouldn't say that but in terms of like a forward-looking trend that we want to get out in front of I mean they used gesture and voice commands to switch to prices right Wow it was like that when they first demo it how amazing it was you could switch in a live G it was like the most dated right program that you could possibly come up with and and you know it's not their fault I mean it was live TV mm-hmm but that's I think you know it was interesting that they had such an emphasis on that I mean first off it's HDMI pass-through so there so it's not like there's somehow becoming your cable box like you still need your cable box like that to get the content onto there I think that their their whole deal though is like we just want to be you don't want we don't only have any other boxes right if you can help it in your living room besides this thing and it even kind of has like the design of the hardware's kind of looks like it was like a VCR I'm trying to get excited about but that was the main sticking point that I noticed early on was we had it and the controller looks great I looks very much like you would you would expect like an Xbox yeah and the the I the the the brand-new Kinect looks it's a lot sleeker a lot more you know compact it seems it's hard to tell scale yeah but the box itself who look I mean maybe this is the baby this just sort of reaffirms Sony's decision to not even show a box yeah like does the Box matter I mean the truth is it doesn't matter when the Xbox is ugly the old xbox the first the first the three sick no the recall Xbox one original Xbox crime is that was ugly the Xbox 360 i think is pretty ugly you like it no I mean I like the black a lot more than I like the white inhales okay yeah but but yeah the newer one you mean this yeah was it called yeah yes yes and then and then so this is like actually kind of nicer but it also it looks like an HTP see in the very looks like something you might buy a new egg if you're building like a home theater it looks like a box that anybody would be comfortable putting into a home theater senator it doesn't say Kitty it doesn't say you're right right but but you know anyhow that's that's beside the point inside x86 eight core GPUs memory it has memory Oh storage definitely USB 3.0 oh yeah I know that rated blu-ray drive they caved on that yeah they gave in Microsoft was like look if we're gonna be the center of your home entertainment situation like we're gonna have to give you the blu-ray drive up or else you're gonna buy so many probably in a tough meeting you're gonna get yeah they're like luxury we the HD DVD thing didn't go great for us I'm just gonna try putting it in what does this live is in there baby but yeah I don't know I'm a little underwhelmed now I crazy for feeling that way you're a games guy your video game is definitely not a there was I would not say there was a big idea in terms of of gaming I mean if you're if you care about gaming primarily I mean it apparently will look better the the integration of some of those other services into games but they the the even that wasn't really shown for gaming it was shown as a backup to your TV experience what I think that people want more than a supplemented gaming experience and that's that's pretty odd and they really emphasize the voice control and the ability to switch between things and even have that little split screen sort of experience where you can check some stuff out or make a Skype call I don't know to me it's just like are people just like man I wish I could be making Skype calls while I'm watching and move it it was weird about it as it is in a in a press release it says something like you know watch it play a game play like your favorite action game while watching a movie at the same time and it's like future areas that I'm missing that people are having where they're doing that thing because to me that's like I want to watch a movie or play a game and like those don't need to be happening I get pretty on the attention span especially but when I'm by myself I wouldn't mind having another diversion on the side of the TV and the guys I'm serious yeah yeah yeah right while you're watching TV well I'm watching TV I want to be doing something else let me play real bad play a whole scene here have a Skype call while you watch a movie yeah that doesn't sound that well maybe TV sure maybe not a minute but a TV show my dad wants to call and ask me how the episode of justified I'm like that guy are you watching justified I am I watched the first few episodes I don't know I'm not didn't catch it take more time let's just talk about justified yes what do you guys think of Jeff hey just what is your take on it I mean Olaf and by the way to see other I've said this for a long time he should have if he doesn't have a fan club called olefins yeah to make that happen but so a lot of TV stuff which was great I mean the it seemed like the voice control worked really well the guide seemed really great like the discoverability of content and like recommendations and all that stuff seem really switching between all these different applications yeah very fast and then they got into gaming I mean there's not a lot to say except like they're they've got a hugely improve what it looks like hugely improved entertainment / TV watching experience yeah and then which looks great yes like a great way to experience TV and then they got into gaming I gotta say I I did not at the at the ps4 event I felt like I said there were glimmers of actual gameplay and I was like this is really impressive like this feels what was it was Killzone is that the game that they showed off that somebody actually played on stage yeah that seems Cystic elite Killzone is killed in an actual name of the game franchise I just make that I have a memory condition where I actually instantly forget Killzone Killzone related well I mean how they showed off gameplay at the PlayStation event I was like you know guys say this does look vast and really detailed I didn't feel like I saw any of that today it's a Microsoft event and no e3 they're gonna have all the games you know that's a Call of Duty if that was like the most graphically impressive stuff that they showed well it's also hard because the only things we saw saw that they were cinematics I mean even if they were being presented in the gameplay engine right you weren't seeing what it you know you weren't able to they're using jump cuts or using music yeah they're you don't get a sense of what it would be like to actually play the game here's a footage from this is act this looked really good this is quantum break which apparently is part television series part game yeah it's like unclear like if this if this is rendered if this pre-rendered or rendered in real time if it's in real time it's pretty amazing yeah pretty awesome you guys seem to think this was not unattainable for real time but we don't really see there's a little bit of we don't know if this is game play here or not this is like a cinematic this is by really that's actually human that's a human this is not an actual human remedy who made Alan Wake which actually integrated a lot of FMV into the game itself so an integrated approach for these guys is it makes a lot of snow and I have to say Alan Wake I played like crazy yeah and I thought it was very all done the way they blended those two things I mean I have no doubt these guys have the capability of making a great game it's just like getting trying to get a sense of what the games will be like what they'll look like what the exactly will feel of it how it'll be different from what we've already seen is tough and I think we talked about this a little bit it's also tough because we are all we've all seen PC games on really great rigs and this is basically what we're looking at well it's part of the problem with waiting so long in between two generations is that pcs have had such a long time to sort of advance beyond this that I don't think you're you're gonna be wowed by a lot of what you saw and and you and I were talking whether that's during the stream the jump is just not gonna be like it was when we went from sd to HD or even you know 16-bit up to PlayStation 4 that was a huge I mean that was a big jump we're not gonna go into coming from 16-bit to PlayStation that was mine rice was a huge deal and I don't think you're gonna see it's always gonna feel more incremental from this point on because you're also running up against the cost to actually make all these right assets may God draw the polygons that seem like I mean it seems like you know there was a period I mean a long period where off the shelf wasn't an option there was no like off-the-shelf testbed for this stuff you couldn't just come up with hey we're gonna put these components together and we're gonna have an amazingly powerful gaming computer right I mean people had to actually custom build I mean they had to custom build the components to make a great video game system right you know is it gonna take I mean I wonder is there gonna be some quantum leap when somebody actually says look we created something that nobody else has and we're building for this game system you know dude will that happen again are we always going to be on the track where it's just like the iterative process of PC hardware well there has to be some sort of as long as we're in sort of a to console fight there's always going to be some parody like it's gonna be hard to have anybody make any sort of Titanic jump right without the other person because it doesn't make sense to develop games that I can only be played on one if you're not an exclusive deal speaking of exclusive deal that was one piece of gaming information that I was actually pretty excited about is that they said they were gonna have in the first year of the system which is is actually before holiday of 2014's holiday and the next holiday 15 exclusive games 8 of which are new this is a little disheartening they say new franchises which boy charming whimsical way to talk about video game a the new McDonald's for you right I'm transmedia is going to me yeah it's like it's like why not just announce the four sequels now tell me about the novel it is that is I mean that is exciting I mean the franchise part but not the franchise part but but the idea that there's gonna be some original and we're gonna see it some of that at e3 of course they want to keep something in the tank for their I just it seems to be that when you're looking at something like this and this kind of like tone setting event and you they actually started out which I thought was smart with with a sort of tone video with lots of celebrities and people who worked on games my man Jay Allard was up in there and if they're setting a tone with this kind of event and the first half is TV you know and then there's ten minutes of games and then they're back talking about TV again like that to me as a gamer primarily it's kind of a worrying tone I mean I know that it's just that but if that's the turn there's I mean I think it's obvious that they have to Microsoft has to own this space right you know clearly Google wants to be there they've tried with Google TV they then you want to be in the living room Apple is obviously like supposedly gonna try to get there Microsoft hasn't been you know they've not had a great couple of years in terms of like stamping out space in new markets or in markets where they used to dominate right they're not doing great with phones I mean they're in third place now apparently but still not like doing what Android and iPhone are doing tablets I don't think the surface is that much of an impact PC sales are on the decline and a lot of people aren't crazy about Windows 8 you know solid OS but they're not it's not like Microsoft is just clearly dominating everywhere you know search they're not dominating like they're not necessarily like as robust on the internet as they want to be like but the Xbox has been just a completely separate product for them so right duh well you know maybe not dominance but just a superior excellent product that many many people millions and millions of people love and want to use and have a tremendous affection for so I feel like you know this is a place where they not only have to keep that moving right they bring all those people along with them but they have to say like we're also this is a place where we can and will succeed because we know how to do it in the living room becoming like this entertainment hub so today's announcement felt very much like it was you know it was almost like hey you know we can do games like we've got great franchises we have great hardware like that's a foregone conclusion but we really want to say we beat people to this solution for TV which i think is like weird because TV seems like I don't know I we're doing a live TV I don't watch that much live TV I kind of hate flipping through channels and most of my watching is like I heard something's good or I know something's good and I want to go find it and watch it or I've DVR'd something I'm gonna watch it so you know this doesn't necessarily add a lot to the I mean to the live TV experience like I'm not gonna watch more TV now because of it right and and I think that you're right in that I not a lot of time spent on gaming but as you say they I mean if you're if you like video games you're going and you're in a financial position where you can afford it you you will buy one of these like they don't really have to sell that market I mean they've proven concretely I think that they are the channel for that now are they are they showing me a strategy that says how they're going to continue to and this I think is one of the things that was missing outside of specific games are they showing a strategy that says this is how we're going to continue to stay relevant in a gaming industry that is moving right so fast right I mean they show stuff like this illumiroom demo which to me is you guys are talking about on the pre-show to me is like really like if you showed consumers that experience and you told them that you could make it happen and it would be easy I feel like consumers would be like whoa this is a completely different gaming experience right I've known before this is a weird immersive gaming experience they didn't really show we know the Kinect they said it's more here footage right here we know the Kinect is going to be higher resolution more sensitive you know I don't feel like Kinect certainly not far penetrated I mean I think it has a great penetration in terms of consumer adoption but it's not like it's a brand new home you know new world graphically speaking I don't think we saw anything that was necessarily better than what Sony's showing off so the question is you know how do you do that is it is it those franchises just like we have the best content I feel like that was part of the message yeah another part of the the the message that was noticeably absent was any mention of the the Xbox 360 yeah and how that that fits into the overall Xbox world wired had a report that the new Xbox has no we actually have do we have a report on it you have a report well yeah I talked to Marc Whitten and one of the questions right I lost him and he was very clear that at this point there's no backwards compatibility for the 360 and this I know they're actually gonna be selling the 360 they're gonna continue to sell the 360 alongside this new X the Xbox was called one why ya know what's that the year doughnut and so I think that's I was a little surprised I guess a guy who's invested a lot of money in xbox 360 games and as a guy who wants to reduce the amount of consoles that I have in my living room it's a little disheartening they don't have some option here obviously it's different Hardware right by some streaming option or some kind of like we're gonna be back filling these title eating some way anything at all yeah or like here we'll give you credit for some new games like throughout me a bone I thought that was actually really surprised I mean I know that the expectation was it's not me backwards compatible but I just feel like there should be some little like give me a little bit of a breadcrumb towards some like me not trashing the entire life I said it before it's really it's bad for preservation it's bad for keeping gaming relevant it makes it seem so so much like a commodity the you know I usually stops the box of Peas yeah and I play them like I go back to old games and I do that and it just seems like I don't know it's maybe the minor thing maybe it's for nerds only maybe we're gonna be the only guys in the world who are pissed off about it but if you're gonna have me spend it they didn't have the price we should say no price no release date yeah they said this year this year so they mean I mean like November Black Friday it'll be in stores yeah if not they blew it if on the same doubt if this is it in stores for Black Friday Microsoft blew the console words never like I mean Bay Inn in some ways would be very nice November it'll be definitely in November but no price probably gonna be like what five hundred baht no $4.99 so you know I spent a bunch of unny on my games now spent five hundred dollars on this yes the experiences would be great it just would be nice if like I'd have to retire my entire library and I understand there's an argument to be made for well people won't buy as many new games if they can play all the old games on this system right that I mean that's a very sort of weird to me that's a veneration to watch I mean that's a reason to buy it's like I get all the new stuff plus my old stuff why would I keep why would I continue to have the other one sitting around I'm gonna buy this new console and move slide into the next generation I actually have a lot less patience for the downloadable games not being backwards compatible I mean to be able to download my I feel like I bought those and I feel like I own the right and they're not even like a disc that I can like what about the Xbox like what about the the arcade stuff I mean all of it apparently yeah that's in see that seems crazy that's pretty especially since they were like sort of harping on you know all of their you know all of their you know this operating systems they kept talking about three operating systems yeah that was odd there's three os's there's a Windows kernel and then there's the Xbox oh some variants and then there's the thing that switches between them and that sounds like kind of to me it sounded like the that we're explaining the technology in the system the way my physician wife explains medical things to me like you basically have to it's like a train that's in your body it's take on a sick way no it seems like an oversimplified I mean it's abstracted so far that it doesn't really mean if you're running though so it's Linux mac and windows on this like you know they're all running things yeah like are you yeah anyhow but so I don't I don't really know I don't really know what that means completely no we have we have somebody that we're gonna bring in who's for who we bringing in as a guest here are you hearing something Oh Brian % it oh I I know something from a polygon no look at this hey there is Brian can you hear us no again yes you can there's a massive delay so this is gonna be awesome yes Brian what was it like in the room it was it was actually a surprisingly small room it had about eight rows not a lot of people in there and a lot of Microsoft people I think in the back because there was a lot of eruptions of applause that odd and like odd moments in the presentation perhaps even pre-planned moments in the presentation possibly possibly they had people applauding for specific things I couldn't tell what they were applauding for but yeah it was it was an interesting sort of setting where it was not a lot of people there but enough for us to kind of get an idea of what was going on and then just sort of this backdrop of what had to be I think employees who were sort of filling in the silence with applause now game journalists are incapable of not beginning to critique something like literally the moment it ends I have you talked to anybody else was in the room is there a sense of the tone of the of their reaction to the to the announcement so far yeah you know actually the people I've talked to have all been pretty positive I think a lot of people I ran into some of the Penny Arcade guys I was talking to them they really liked it there one critique was why they went with usb3 and not some other sort of input so that was I think a joke critique but I think in general people were I wouldn't say confused but they're basically they want more information this is a very a presentation that painted with very broad strokes so we got a sense of some of the stuff going on but there's still a lot of questions we all have about a lot of the particulars I so we were talking about the game kind of what we saw of gaming did you you know was there a moment did you see something that felt like real gameplay to you where you got a taste of what this thing was capable of from a graphics perspective because it was kind of hard I mean watching the stream of assertive hard to distinguish what was pre-rendered or what was a cinematic versus like any gameplay they really didn't show any gameplay was there a moment where there was a kind of like oh wow or a gasp and people really got a sense of what this thing could do there are no gasps at all but I think that that wasn't because people were not impressed with what was going on I think again they were sort of just sitting there absorbing I mean there was it was one hour and they didn't just present a new console but they it presented like something that obviously touches on a lot of things outside of gaming in terms of gameplay what we saw a lot of it did look to me like pre-rendered stuff for is up I think there was a moment where they cut to real gameplay because it looked real I mean it looked like it's something that was happening in a game the EA Sports stuff to me looked a lot like CGI I think ghosts though gave us their best look at what some gameplay is gonna look like and that was pretty impressive but honestly for me at least as a gamer I'm at the point where I'm not gonna buy a console based on how pretty the graphics are I'm gonna buy a console based on the experience and what else they're bringing to the table beyond just you know what the game looks like so so what's your take on this versus the what you saw the ps4 is this was this more compelling than what Sony showed off yeah I mean I think they told us a lot more about the console than the PlayStation 4 than Sony did during the PlayStation 4 presentation I feel like the Sony sort of went into that and I kind of think their philosophy is hey entertainment hey TV hey movies we can all get along let's see how we can all work together we're gonna we're gonna sort of figure out a way where we can share the audience Microsoft went in and said no we're gonna be the experience and if you want to do anything with our users you have to go through us and whether or not you like that I approach it's certainly a very direct approach and it's one that can add something to the experience so their idea is I think you know let's take TV and add a little bit of gaming experience to TV and let's take movies and you and everything else and essentially it's a game a fight but give it an element of gaming so essentially gaming becomes one more channel one more press button on your remote you know you go from watching King the game of thrones to watching you know Mad Men to playing Call of Duty ghosts and it's as easy as just pushing a button I think that's what they want to do Brian let me asked you something first off I wanted to tell you that I took the notepad from your desk and I borrowed your pen and I didn't ask so for that I'm sorry I want to apologize for that up front sorry about that that's it I used a whole page scribbling up what are you getting ready to go into e3 here in just a couple short weeks what do you feel like you still need to hear from from Microsoft about Xbox what are the big lingering questions for you these two one answer well I mean the obvious one is the price and the release date but I think also today it sounds like looking at the schedule we're gonna get a lot more detail on some of the broad strokes that they already sort of laid out for us so we're gonna find out a lot more about how Xbox Live's gonna work we're gonna find out about backwards compatibility something that they didn't talk about I would assume because it wasn't brought up that it won't be in the game in the Xbox one that they won't have a backwards compatibility if they're probably today gonna be talking a little bit more about oh do they did they confirm that it snapped in there yes nothing affirmed yeah it wasn't in the announced we had I talked to mark Whitney so duh see he confirmed it and yeah sorry that's not surprising I mean it's disappointing but I think ultimately it's something they'll only hurt them for a small segment of people for a short period of time they're going into e3 what I really want to see is I want to see all these bells and whistles they've been talking about and all these great games no one's even combined I don't want to see a fancier looking Call of Duty I want to see a game that I could not play on my xbox 360 not just one that looks different than my Xbox 360 but something that's so compelling that would make me want to buy a completely new console so make you feel like it's a new game so I question actually going for both of you sorry and this delay is insane but and I wanted Brian I want to hear your take on this for developers I mean we didn't really hear anything about we know whether the barrier to entry for developing for the one will be different than what has been previously the city the state of xbox 360 which is like a pretty high barrier to entry this is not a nap story you know this is not like submit your stuff and it gets on there and you know this is clearly a super-powerful computer right it's not just this is a you know has many many functions that go way beyond just gaming so did you have you gotten any impression from anybody there do you have any sense of and this is for either one of you guys any sense of whether or not they're gonna lower the barrier to entry and make development for this console more straightforward than it was particularly for small developers I mean I think I think they have to I don't know if they're going to they it's interesting that it's not something they talked about now on the one hand they could say look this was supposed to be a presentation that wasn't about games oddly enough they snuck a lot of games into this presentation but they didn't it all address that question which is I think a question that's incredibly important to this coming generation of consoles and that is can it really support indie games can it find the next minecraft or the next you know Angry Birds and support it in a way that doesn't require developers to put so much effort into trying to get their game onto the system and yeah that's a huge question it's something they didn't talk about at all so hopefully we're gonna hear about it either today or at e3 well Brian I know you need to get going to more coverage and Justin I need to get back to our hilarious banter which was and are justified recap so yeah yeah we got a lot of justified to talk about but thanks for taking the time to to talk to us and obviously you guys are gonna have more stuff today so we'll keep our eyes on polygon and I expect a full deep emotional editorial from you by the end of the ride was Jay Allard in the room can you confirm for me whether or not jaylen was in the room I I saw Phil Harrison does that count he's like a tall jailer does that work doesn't does not count that does not even in the vicinity of county naughty thank you for leaving us on that sour note Brian thank you thank you it so so something that something we should talk about is there was this sort of controversy about always on you know if the console would need to be connected all the time to the internet if it would be a requirement to play games that apparently is not the case mm-hmm according to Wired I'm reading this on polygon but you guys you guys are citing wired here I think and I don't know this to me was not an issue everything in my house was connected to the Internet mmm-hmm am I crazy do you have any devices that aren't connected to the Internet well the that are required to be on the internet or are you know that have the ability to I mean I'm just saying like every new device you buy connects to the Internet anyway exactly these are problematic for you have you ever thought like man I really got to get this thing off the Wi-Fi - to me the only problem is if I'm unable to play games when I lose right Internet connect that would be bad that would be bad but other than that it doesn't it's not a huge deal for me right this part one of these reports is come out since the event has has finished is that all Xbox one games have to be installed and if you're a secondhand player you have to pay a fee if you're if you're the second person to have the game you have to pay to install if something gives you their game or more more likely you buy it if you buy it used you have to pay to to use it on your console is that confirmed that that's based on the same Wyatt report yeah that seems insane I'm also being told by one of our writers that developers can require that games are always on yeah so yeah which I mean that's a development choice in and if they want to do that and it makes sense right but it will impact that will impact players yeah absolutely that fee stuff is insane no this is insane to me thank you so you're telling me I just want to be clear like I go to a store i buy i buy a game of $60 right i go home i install it then i also so I can still play it is that what they're saying you can still play it even if I sell the game see that is where that's that's the interesting question because if there's a fee if there's a fee and I can just sell the game off and continue to play it that sort of makes more sense it would seem this to that you could continue to play it without the disc which seems really bizarre that seems completely crazy to you but like it what it does mean is that if I am at a you know if I want to take a game over to a friend's house to you know not that I do that Oh cuz I'm thirty T or it's all good but like if I you know wonder that I don't do things that I have any friends exactly but I would have to throw my whole console into my my backpack and lug it over to his place because I'm not gonna be able to just put the disc in to his right and and play it I mean that is a scenario that doesn't exist for most people I don't think people can't bring in games every maybe younger people I think they think I don't know what people do these days I think people do everything that's the weird that's quite angry so so so but we don't know if if if you can play the game if you can actually get rid of the game and continue to play it's um he's just paying a fee by the way these are are your pieces are like very loud here through this I just unplugged yeah I was a say we could turn it down it's not important to the viewers at home but they couldn't care less they actually are glad that we're in pain but you know it is it is you know I think we need to figure out what the case is that but if it's like you can't play the game and somebody has to pay an additional fee because they're buying a secondhand game that seems crazy troubling it's probably that's a very kind way what's the end game there what is that like you they don't want you to ever sell your games well they don't they want to make sure that they're making a slice off of every game that's sold which again that I think that's a legitimate issue I mean that's why we had the you know that's why we had online passes in the first place is because they use a slice off of I mean you know once I buy the game I've paid the full price for the game the full retail price right and they do value on things does decrease over time over time right so it's the same thing you know is there I guess the reason is like we expect everybody to buy it at full price but I mean even they don't sell it at full price two months after the game comes out well the problem is that when I buy it initially they're getting you know they're getting a slice of that they get a taste right when I buy it from Gamestop a month later for five bucks cheaper or what have you the the they're not getting any of that they want their flavors with gamestop it's not real well this if this is accurate then this is a this isn't just a shot across the bow GameStop this is well but this to me by gamestop was an indirect assume now that all this opens up a whole new like market forward like consumer to consumer salad well no because you still would have to what's the fee though well that that's a good point actor the fee into the price of their profit margins are not going to be able to remain the same they're not gonna be able to sell it game at five dollars you got to cut out the middleman is what I'm saying right cuz you have a new middle net right before his game stop is the middleman and they would like take your stuff give you a little bit of money for it and then sell it to somebody for more money and make a profit on it just pure profit now you could sell it directly but somebody's still going to make a profit on it I'm actually more comfortable with that scenario because at least then my money is going to people who are making games rather than right noe maybe that's the goal maybe the goal is like they want people to sell them on eBay not a Gamestop oh man oh that's wrong with that it's not I mean it's just I'm gonna Pierre who can online retailers let me go into a big forest or Detailers when pets.com for example what I need pet knows what you're gonna get from there right business anymore right what I put in there but it's better it had a puppet have you look let's see I don't I'm thinking about buying calm it's my pet smart spats mark its Pet Smart yeah yeah it's part of them to buy that I was actually really upset dated that we were doing this live stream because I haven't been able to register any Xbox one related URLs we're thinking which if you say the money now they will be gone they will be gone they disappeared like you can you can you we could convince people to buy bad domains like Xbox Xbox one stuff calm that's actually pretty good it's box I'll stall all on games nothing else appalled all right what else what are other things we need to talk about I'm looking at our I mean and really it's kind of light there shouldn't be more to talk about well okay there's a there's a big NFL deal of the big original content original concert doing original they're doing a halo show executive produced by Steven Spielberg like a hit shows a smash or Terra Nova they're doing they'll be reopened smash on other of the xbox they go you know here's the thing about Microsoft they know their audience and they said what does our audience want and the answer is another season of smash I'm gonna do a musical about halo nothing you say it's gonna stop a musical about halo I would see I would watch harpy the hell out of so they have NFL a deal with NFL which is gonna be it's gonna be live games right Plus augmented stuff stuff writing me things around the game the football players look out and play the screen say that one was for a year over me and then they turn around and on the back of their jerseys there's a huge ax box load your day but it it's all automated reality NFL games is what's happening I love it I mean look don't get me wrong look I okay so II heart looks over the halo show okay halo show is just a show right it's a live-action TV experience starring Master Chief I don't know that Master Chief court on oh okay if the back and said like like an actor's name Master Chief Liam Hemsworth to be he's not in it what what was that wrong sorry sorry okay so ready how so but they are doing original content which is they're sort of doing a Netflix thing yeah where they're like we want to make we want to be a channel so they they want to be your cable box they want to be your original content provider they want to be your game system and you really happy if you and see what it's not that big of a deal okay um so we have dieter bone live from the event there he is hey dieter can you hear us hey hey how are you you little quiet I can't get her up we jam jam up his balloon I'm doing great we were having up his his DBS dieter your initials I can I can talk about loudly what what happened today what did you see I saw a short compact incredibly dense hour of a ton of Xbox one news this was the the polar opposite of what I remember from from Sony's ps4 event they just they just they got on rail and they just ran they ran through a ton of features super super fast do you think that do you think that this was a reaction to this shortness of this was reaction to the ps4 event or maybe generations also the world's best commentary what's happening also maybe commentary on on Google's three hour like insane ioki no because I know that I know that between about that yeah no I would be surprised at all and it it was almost a little bit too fast it was a little bit hard to keep up and there were a bunch of features that I wanted to know more about especially the the NFL stuff I would like to see a bit more of that but overall you know I mean they sort of were much better about like giving you like specific concrete things you could grab onto like hardware they showed the hardware I think within the first 10 minutes maybe even sooner than that they they put it on stage right away dude how did that hey it's Justin macro we've never met but hello how are you what did that look like important its we were as we were watching the presentation it was hard to tell at some points with lights and things if it was silver if it was black whose glossy how did it look real and in person since you've seen that we haven't so it it looks like a combination of your 1980s a VCR ladies in jail in 13 introducing it it it looks like a thing that's meant to fit under your TV like any other console box like like a DVR I kind of say it's a little bit uninspiring you know it's it's glossy black plastic it's pretty square and the right side there's events all over the thing there's vents on the top and on the sides and across the back so this is not something you're gonna want to set anything else on because I imagine it kicks off a lot of heat it actually looks like two different boxes glued together yeah there was actually a moment where we were we saw one of their interviews where it does kind of look like they did click and when I when I first saw I almost thought for a second are there two components here is there like the drive component and the rest of the comments I think it's like a CD yeah well like Sega CD or like a mini system you know where you can put it side-by-side or you can stack them put sonic Knuckles summit convenes right beside you cut that thing down the middle Kimmy Solomon style you probably couldn't but I mean dieter was there anything today was there a moment where you were like I'm surprised about this I didn't see this coming so the you know I'm not a huge gamer i don't i don't play PC games so I mean I was expecting to be blown away by graphics which is you know once you expected an event like this but when they started showing the the stuff from the new Call of Duty ghosts there was a moment when like I was watching the cutscene I knew it was a cutscene and then I was watching gameplay but I was like am i am i watching gameplay yet I wasn't sure and that was super impressive it wasn't just like the faces look more real it was also that like the the movements of the characters and like they just didn't seem like awkward video game guys running they seemed like actual humans running which was impressive for me and and other surprises I guess the biggest biggest surprise really is this multitasking feature where you can switch immediately from a game to a TV show to launching ie when he said launched Internet Explorer and it popped up and you weren't you didn't have to wait for it to load at all that was shocking and if they can really nail having you know quick switch just like switching a channels with these interactive experiences on it like it genuinely could be a really important centerpiece for the living room so did you feel like any of the any of the gaming stuff I've been at I asked Brian this and I'm gonna ask you you just can't escape it did you feel like any of the gaming stuff I mean for me I don't know I was a little bit underwhelmed in the room there was there did you feel like there was anything that was truly impressive and and didn't even seem like did it just feel like this was just you know we got III come in and it's not I mean it seemed like they kind of brush it out of the way pretty quick yeah I'm pretty sure I heard people say that we'll tell you Marty three six or eight times and you know I think we saw four games and you know the better graphics but you know better graphics is fine I want like a different experience and they hinted that they're gonna do that with that quantum break game you know they had like actual physical actors and then they cut to a video game thing and if there'll be some interesting interplay between that that'll be cool but if it's just like dragon's lair where if you make a choice in the game then they show you a different like acting scene afterwards nitrogen alright Peter I know you have to get back to covering this event and so I appreciate you taking the time we're gonna have more on the verge from you there live none of those words made it he says the secrets that I just said them but get mad but the peter is peter is at this moment going to do more coverage of the new Xbox the Xbox one which I can't get used to saying by the way poor HTC dieter I'm sure you feel their pain right now but yeah but thanks for joining us and we'll see more stuff from you on the site later on yes stay tuned guys thanks bye that delays it's too much Rose can handle yeah I have such incredible technology all around us I mean we're sitting we're surrounded by there's at least one TV here that you can see in the shot there's this thing and yet we can't fix the delay yeah where is it going where does it come yet like what are we shooting that was shooting it into space we actually are actually yeah they don't know what's happening so I feel like I'm weird but I'm like hard pressed to think of things that we haven't talked about with this console like it just felt like a very brief compact like he said compact mm-hmm it's it's got a new oh it was actually one thing that we were talking about during that we didn't get answered for us was the the controller they showed off oh my god we have another controller at all yeah yes yes - yes you're not as I said before you were good for nothing and I take it back back I didn't hate on the air but I said it repeatedly before we went a little bit it got off the controller so so it's an Xbox controller two buttons on it do you understand these two buttons I'm not totally since what I did not understand there's the there's the square with a square on top of it okay uh-huh and then there's the lines there's a line line button what do you think those buds do I think one we probably could find out if we give to the internet right now yeah we put outside of just browse yeah this is the speed of things we are in because our inability to read internet right now we're like babies we're lost in the wilderness really are and so we don't need instead and the old days people just gone and gotten an encyclopedia and they could've told you all about it I mean here's what we know it's got impulse triggers so that was big one for me whatever that and there's a Wi-Fi stack inside of it there's a stack of Wi-Fi in there yeah is that good in the in what in the control it you got a thing backups like is there Wi-Fi in the controller it looks like there's Wi-Fi in the controller that says well you can control the game from anywhere in your house Oh perfect right if even if you're not in the same room with the system okay Wi-Fi direct radio stack yeah that's like guys are weird that's a pager to call out okay but I don't know I'm sure sorry I sure there are uses for it I don't know what they are but there's got to be something I open my fridge connectivity to things some using Wireless of the line dala day the lines and this I'm assuming that the because any of the functionality that they have in the system also has to work without connect right because you have to be able to disable it well I think I don't know it doesn't work without connect to see that would be my question maybe they ship the consoles with connect so maybe those buttons are filling in some of that gap for when you're in a noisy I mean room or something yeah I also wonder if there's a if there's a microphone in the controller at all or something because I feel like the voice recognition particularly if you're in a crowded room or you're in a room with a family or jerks that display their game huge dicks I don't I don't know yeah I don't I'm at a loss here I don't have an answer for this question I don't know what this begs today they know at home I one takes you to something what does something now we've got the Guide button it's a little more oh it's definitely there are definitely answers I'm sure people are tweeting angrily at me right now the default looks nice they've done away with the weird circle pad thing oh boy that is the circle at the top an actual button that looks I would assume that's the Guide button right that is the Guide button yeah I think that remains and it glows yeah and it hope you can turn that off because I feel like for dark room late night scary game dark room playing you don't want to light on your they can make what if they can make it like pull Rob red Rob and Paul's watch I'm into that I don't know if it's colored or not no in there hey that's a free ID that's a freebie for for Microsoft and then of course we saw call of duty ghosts yeah which they just got damaged they don't want people to take this game seriously they want you to feel very emotional I love it I do love that they're like talking about like the deep they have this director of the writer and director or Syriana of Syriana which is a great movie actually and and he's like they really wanted this call dude a game to have real emotion they want these character of real emotion and then it's just like that bobbing gun it's just you see the hand of the gun and it's like look at that way you can interact with the world you can shoot now you can shoot besides people you can shoot schools of fish can be shot at you can shoot actual bricks on a building yeah what I'm gonna show you is get the texture of bricks it hits actual bricks and then they actually try to brag about the emotional connection you're going to have to your dog which is a is a is a classic phone or you know that the dog is brought back the dog is the worst part to me it's like if you're gonna make me have v to feel pain for I already struggled with you know I've been playing far cry 3 gonna take a little detour here going I've been playing far cry 3 and and in order missus hang glider in order to in order to get ahead in Far Cry 3 you have to kill several thousand animals right to make pouches for yourself so why don't you sell me the pouch at the store like I'll go get money I'll kill humans happily and take money I prefer not to get us a lot of this beautiful leopard but not like they make the animals all super aggressive so they always attack you which is nice this is a hell of a segue out of what we were talking about but I feel you know I feel bad for the animals in Far Cry and I really know that I'm gonna be feeling emotionally connected that's with a K by the way okay connected to to this dog that I'm gonna have to take care of and he's gonna go scouting for me and then so we can take him hostage well it's assuming it's easier because there's more and I think that this is sort of telling is that the fact that they say we want you have an emotional connection and part of the way we're achieving that is that we're going to put a dog in it it really what to me speaks to the how difficult it is to create those emotional connection there's still that valley you know and it's easier to abstract a dog out to a point where you can write where it can be believed I might as well basically we're gonna put the old guy from up in the game exactly he's gonna be your companion to horrible career but we don't really want an emotional connection and we can't do with the phases here yet so here's a cake here's a dog there's a dog and the dogs gonna whimper he's gonna get shot in the leg and whimper and you'll have that choice is gonna eat him it is it's gonna be one of the missions where you have to prepare the dog that's how just how realistic it is but it is interesting that that you're right it's kind of this it is totally abstracted it's not you know they didn't show how the humans are going to a moat in some meaningful way or that the story is going to be boat captain dog and man they were maybe they showed them the motion capture of the dog back in a bit guy and they showed the arm detail and this is what arms looked like a monitor horn 430 these arms those arms look good I like that they won't compare it to what ghost looks like on 360 because they're still gonna try to sell you that one make sure you definitely start by that and they're still gonna sell the 360 which they haven't they haven't really talked about but we have from from Marc Whitten and and they're selling the 360 alongside this I don't know if they're gonna change price points it seems like they would I would have to raise 99 yeah that's what I think that if that's gonna become they're like Media Console you're right like they're there with that well no but it's like if you just want to like do basic stuff and play some games mm I feel like right of course that is what the new one is so what's the what's the matter what why would I buy it perhaps why is anybody buy anything to say Bob let's just go to the teepees oh I don't know CP like like a the one you would put out in for camping yeah exactly or whatever the teepees are done whatever people do in teepee give me a Wi-Fi direct stack put it in my TV I'm said yes as long as it's got that stack and we know TVs would make good Wi-Fi enabled devices when you think about it cuz they kind of have an antenna they would be pursuit have got like a structure that's built for transmitting Wi-Fi data that's gonna do it for us yeah are we wrapping up yeah we are think that's you brian croissant a yet d dab on your bone bone zone as i do refer to him everybody and yeah Ross Miller all the crew here everybody yeah you guys prefer for witnessing but it can only be described as a thing an event and it's an exciting time in in gaming I don't excited and I just want to say I just want to say that polygon and the verge will be doing a lot more coverage oh boy today of this disgusting way more in-depth coverage there's stuff coming you don't even know what's about to happen so continue to rapidly or I would say obsessively refresh your tabs the only two tabs you should have open at this point which is polygons in the verge just man just briefly refresh next box polygons Xbox the verge the Xbox but that's you that's you at home and then you're gonna do this and it's gonna all go away and you're gonna see the smiling face of Steve Ballmer hovering waiting in jail or guys thank you to everybody yeah I'm gonna do for us goodbye thanks you