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The Vergecast 010: Vergecast at CES 2012: Day One

2012-01-12
hey and welcome to the verge cast from CES 2012 day are we going on finally the only day we made it no we paid it I'm alive ah I'm Josh Topolsky I'm Paul Miller I'm nilay patel and i'm joanna stern yes or no the morning you did Las Vegas morning news TV and we are here from beautiful downtown Las Vegas yeah right on the Sunset Strip where my joke just fridays on on bed midtown New York yeah no actually town New York uh the fake bitch on New York well I'm in Paris New York yeah we're very serious from different casinos and just being different we're here from beautiful both the Bellagio on the sunsets what is the one with the face with the fake sky I really like oh that's the Venetian it's a Venetian dude where'd Scott I was baby i was there tonight I was there tonight and it is truly office it's awesome and really surreal yeah when you're there at night they've the gondolas yes they have the gondolas but but just the sky effect if you guys don't know we're talking about there's a hotel here in Las Vegas that has fake sky I think in a fake clouds yeah it's fake venice right and it's a fetish yeah your specific it's got to get struck out it's got a kid has got a little lost there's gum it's got a little caesars it's slowly sinking it to the ground yeah I was walking the leaning tower piece is nearby it's the Leaning Tower of Pisa has a Domino's in it uh no but what I say I said I got in the car today and I said to Chris and Michael or editorial assistant I said that um Las Vegas is like one big cheesecake factory and if you really think about it that is exactly what Vegas is like there's so many things because everything is phony so much she's getting is fake it's like fake bricks I mean like cake factory there's a lot cheesecake cheesecake factory at so much anyhow we are we are live we are live on the official really just puzzling food we're live on the official first day of CES and we are we're at the sony booth right now so your contentions on cheesecake factory somebody look somebody's is young man cheesecake I think that was carmen was that Carmen I was thinking about anyone say Carmen yelling I don't know it was a Howard Stringer O'Hara's favor house tree was yelling like a woman on stage heavy oz yeah we're actually we're on the show floor we're at the Sony it's the broadcast tower yes we're the Sony broadcast tower and I'm gonna read it I'm not afraid to say that it's fairly dope yeah sony has a lot of money apparently and they have spent it on a beautiful by the way we're not sponsored by Sony but I will say this is a beautiful nice to us I just stay here I don't want to go back to the truck and trailer when I we at home i want to buy all of their product i'm gonna get a sony blu-ray player no question but we're here on the first day of CES and we're going to talk about divine do you mind we're going to talk about consumer electronics mmm we're gonna talk about technology we're gonna talk about i would put our chances of talking about those things that like fifty percent and that's why i would put my chances i'm drinking wondering last night after the podcast the verge cast if you hell i broke my new year's resolution to not drink and I private any real and I don't feel it felt amazing well then the alcohol started coursing through my body I knew it I could just I just said to myself this is this is where I'm supposed to be yeah I haven't time for anything that's been a good day to you today no but let's so let's get in the news we shagged by the news Joanna you did a ton of stuff today yeah I you know I actually spent the entire day with intel i think that's like kind of what the news was today there were some other thing I think Intel was the big no-no there was other news i we hoping but I think today was the biggest news of today by far yeah well Intel's fun stuff they showed off what one phone or lenovo phone and then they got and there any other motorola chat and there they have like a yeah yeah intel showing a prototype for you i know it's like so can you don't make me go down this road again what they announced yeah so they announced medfield which is actually been announced with that it's finally over time but by the way it's very dry in vegas i'm just gonna flexible lip balm are you talking about that feel glad i go on really you're getting ready for it weird there's many jobs talk about medfield go uh so yes they talked about matfield what they talk about like a million times but they're finally ready to ship it in phones like Paul Otellini came out during the press conference is like it is ready for phones we're gonna be in phones and time they've been tell you a man feel for what like three years meta fields Ferb in the year they had the morristown phone which never came out alright more so never kids I don't think we're trying to take out yeah so is it I mean they said here's the phone this is going to be a shipping device with more things they first showed it like their reference design phone which is a pretty high-end phone in terms of specs and I like this is what we're like showing people this is what you can do with it's running Android it's got Medfield that's like so thank you like done that for years that's the concept that will never ship yeah that's the concept I'm that will never ship then they had lenovo come out what I don't even I don't know how Trent everybody read our podcast producer what else happen Ellen whether you run game and chat or now and I tried of like I'm gonna make you turn it around so it's a keeps on going lower lower their you how long ago why don't you put on the other side though oh that looks pretty good actually yeah hi Trent alright see your hands they had another phone did another class then lenovo came out right oh you're like EULA we are making a phone we are gonna be done trash it huh we got a problem here come back it fell off I don't know it's a nice oh well joy my Intel quickly happening Intel couldn't release a phone because Trent kept coming on yeah surely the the moorestown of microphone placements oh god you can do can you see anything on yeah I get to fine I got a guide really I don't leave our problem tread I can you come back his car used to golf man can you hand us the glasses on the way back I can't talk to Josh for that glasses go on this is I feel like if you can I don't know no reason climb up on ball and then hat my god oh look at you want to give Trenton his happy for you and keep try you ready for this wow yeah wow alright guys so there was horrible guys there was another ideas I don't Thomas lenovo yet right right they there's a prototype yes and then there was a real phone so then lenovo came out whenever lenovo came out another lenovo came out on the stage and they announced their phone and they're gonna be the first to ship in medfield phone it's gonna go to China only cuz lenovo doesn't like to ship phone ring wait so then over here you have found yeah it's not called a little fun it's called the k800 that is the worst much sketchy well the Lumia 800 Lumia 900 decade and have a hands-on about it we look like lefoux no just think about so now so 10 there's no indication that we're gonna get a Medfield foam in the US where is now them getting to the next part all right but wait there's like a children's book yeah let me show it to you here at my transformer prime oh yeah you love the Ice Cream Sandwich guys scream Sam I think I think he knows you get the update he has his OS he is although I smile skeptic I was trying to push a firmware up to update to me but the bat last one was really bad song a lot of fragmentation yeah so then this was like it was actually kind of shocking like I think a lot of people at the in the audience were kind of like why is Sanjay Jha showing up here and so you just had to wander around yeah he was all around in vegas it's late he took the stage to announce that motorola is going to well they've signed a multi-device multi-year deal with intel they're going to bring tablets and phones with Intel's medfield chip out of the next year and which is big did they mention any devices they didn't mention any questions but I did meet with Intel's I board to support I met with Intel early early day I wasn't as bad for at the Intel press conference was I kind of knew about it but I met with Intel earlier and they said they're going to talk more about it at Mobile World Congress ok but so I asked you a question so Motorola has been like pushing super thin sweet make obviously super thin love your razor it's best run ever yeah and then they have the razr maxx you're gonna love it oh my god the razorbacks is a 3300 milliamp battery yeah I just say one more that's in the nez insane well I 3300 is like a wagon double everyone my ex ex ex or maybe XXL I was a lame Johnny's access the question well that's pretty good those things are like Motorola's like Kayla phones flagship phones yeah are they gonna be able to build those phones with Intel actually do them with our the question I'm not worried about the speeds like I they whatever i saute like looked like pretty fast as off i was running stock android so you really don't really know but the big question is no it's running too much well and this they said ICS update is coming oh yeah this one oh my god i love the coming I this is a noble phone like we got hands-on and this is not the thinnest phone no and others are the references Jackie right both are chunky and they said like we can we can get a say in it school like they were yeah I don't know they hope the hell yeah eventually yeah we're having our about another yeah I do i do yeah i want to go is very serious music oh my god wow wow we're gonna rival you guys we're gonna LG booth we're gonna have a way better skin than you guys yeah hmm are you is that racism I think it is that was aunt Frankie better skin I mean thinking I think you should be very fragmented I'm finding some soup i watch hey I me I'm excited about but what's behind that excited I'm just happy to happen is it because you know if you're in this industry you've been following right doctor are you as the biggest Intel is finally gonna bring something to market it's a smartphone like yeah a chip on a smartphone yeah I also actually like I was so for like consumer like appeal there's something like you know they were showing some stuff working like with laptops and that sort of ecosystem I think Intel could like sort of make a dent there they have like their wireless display technology and they showed like swiping something to a TV and they're now selling these tvs with y dying in them did they mention why died on Medfield they did that the lenovo they said might have they had would have wireless display my why would it was the CEO said we'll have wireless this way it was a little bit okay not best english but look we have it he said it he said it during a live blog I just one thing to say like will make all of our chipsets play together yeah why does like one tiny feature of Windows laughter so much that do people don't care about NFC they can put the Enzo so I all ready to go and I don't want to say wait cuz we're gonna bring chris ziegler out here but we actually had that chance to sit down with sanjay jha and some other people talk about what Motorola's doing yeah and he talked about intel wait and well he you know he didn't want to say he couldn't say everything obviously that he knew about their relationship but the indication that the vibe I got was that they're not so much interested in medfield as they are stuff that intel has down the road my the sense that i got was that they're very interested in the technologies that Intel is developing right now that you're not going to see for a few years rent in phones or maybe a year or two years in mobile devices but that stuff would be like leapfrogging what other people are working on the one they're getting in now like they're they're opening what why you give me that look I Chris what was that what's the technology that he made reference to many transistors yes 33 transistors he was like that technology we're very interested in and the road map looks really interesting down you know a little further I signed something now because they want to be in there and partnering with them or Lee on the ground well on the ground floor so they can see an explosive growth and profits oh I feel like I feel like well their own hey Google I feel like we're talking about the moral right right the question is how does google play into this relation I think I think don't wants to be free of the stranglehold of money over TI meni Mendel is money I definitely think it's money Motorola is struggling yeah exactly right i mean cash rules everything around this industry I see my routing budget I was the next one is gonna be HTC and Intel was like like look we got we gotta get these processors out there and if you're a smartphone manufacturers like look these aren't thin enough the power saving isn't good enough let's wait for the next guitar I forgot I've heard I've heard the battery life is on pause they say it's on I've heard from sources from oh you're at the matter on par normally means work no no that's right i was gonna say that I've heard rumors that it's not the performance and the battery life or not as good as the better sound ragan the dual core single hora person that says dr. savage make up alarm but hyper threading hybrid well I mean okay so this is another thing that butter all talked about was the hyper threading was very significant and the dual core the multiple cores are largely be a sensationally isn't messy what's that's a big thing to say I mean a motorola was like first on the dual-core LT i'm paraphrasing here crazy for the indication i got is that of course huh hardcore that's probably the intel soon that's pretty good um but I'm just saying clever see the indication i got was that the dual core quad core race and everybody's been saying this by the way here at CES there's a dual core versus quad core and whatever is all essentially garbage yeah that it really isn't about that mean for the interesting thing you're not even with that with them and that with some of these arm chips is having a really slow low power cord yeah that's a technique that they can switch to your low power mode I think that's much more things like things I give me until and I don't know what that means and does have some stuff where it's dynamic and and the boxes until can clock the cores down like that dynamic these cars the cook strait clock is credible how do you know what I'm talking about I don't know if that sounds sexy yeah it's x SXT threatening I know desktop processors Intel can kind of around noon right what maybe we should start a band called the sexy threatening I work I'm sorry you've done it I don't know oh yeah we got hey we have a conversation to scrap it see where D line I are able to have a separate conversation you guys are so far apart problem with four I'm just gonna mmm cuz cuz who you know I talked to after she was company three's a crowd good talk to his story is upsetting do you sometimes talk with your imaginary friend when I'm not on the podcast yeah yeah yeah you have another it's called my rabid fan base and sorry Josh our bags of direction I'm Tara we're doing great we're doing that was a great what is issue I would have to run a play now no i don't what do you do i owe you man what is that definitely all right dad that you've that airplane why did he wants us to go past second base on the third base oh right stop it yeah yeah all right let's talk about all trucks oh ok look if human story of today was uh in tow on phone talk about my ice cream sandwich tablet no I don't talk about else book oh I'll talk about Windows PCs what are those we doing there this you're extremely strange I know like that ah again sexy you're threatening who knows um else rooks give it on phones I thought I find that threatening I find it sexy yeah there yes see who knows I'm gonna go now goodbye can you talk on us remix for two minutes ultrabooks are I am so tired of ultrabooks why how many altered or a laptop person didn't have any ultrabooks I'm sammad is named them all and tell us about I mean maybe at least ten you this is Wow how can you handle all those all tables how is it possible you bet even take in so many ultrabooks at once that's a lie lenovo has at least ten just on their own well that's just like now iteration no no it's a you're not excited about the Ultrabook i am very excited about your book so after you love laptop tomorrow I do love laptops and don't fact about you do if you would if you had if you had a trading card one of your factoids on the back of me that you love laptop you should get a tablet until it looked like a laptop this isn't mine oh wait I will kill again um so arable today dallin Ansah I don't your book which I like a lot um that was the what is it what is it now announced today is called the XPS 13 yeah well the only important really dering dering naming scheme there yeah I mean um the double care so that's why I should have gone what's been going on with ultrabooks at the show is like there's sort of these different categories now within the Ultrabook category so people are getting into lower end ones for like nine hundred dollars or less something even around like seven ninety-nine this is like the pc market yes I know but it's it's spanning now to ultrabook category well cuz cuz right right off the bat like when they first showed them up and Aoife like yeah none of them even broke a thousand right right they were like right around a thousand so is this more oil subsidies here's my question they didn't talk about that today at the press conference where they talked about it yesterday yeah um and yeah they are I mean they were talking to 30 million dollar fund and all that sort of stuff I mean Intel's just pushing this so hard so is this the answer is a CS basically like Intel struggles for extreme relevance across the industry right because they're pushing ultrabook as you don't need a tablet it just tells definitely trying to wedge itself back into the yeah there is a yen to the conversation and I mean of course like people are talking about arm and Windows 8 they were like apart like I would say half of the presentation when they were talking about windows 8 and like what's coming with ultrabooks today they kept emphasizing like you're gonna be able to run your old desktop apps on here so they know like arm is coming out so they're talking about ultrabooks in the sense that their future proof yeah yeah that's I mean it's strange yes like they mentioned it like a number of times you're gonna be able to write soon some batteries like you know the same cell saying yeah you tell her all the men oh you tell your apps will work on here they saw that like a number on ultrabooks that's good so that's no I'm window so they're basically hinting the desktop a bitch that's trim windows right an intel on intel but not on arm yeah implying like when you get an arm one you're not going to be able to that we know that's a photo you know that's a lie that Intel's making that their marketing we should they should be is all they have to cling on to at this point yeah it's the fact that when you get an arm tablet or ultrabook or whatever it is it will not run the stuff you paid for for Intel for x86 but this is the same scare tactics we've seen with every big OS change where they go like you it's not backwards compatible and you know I think there's like backwards compatibility is an overrated quality who wants to go backwards let's go forward you paid for photoshop fu paver photoshopping medium I would be upset I don't we wants to go backwards let's go forwards is like I'm just wish that you might walk around see every day I'd be pissed look yeah I would you be pissed about what like I just had to switch my lap to have a number of times in the last month and if I wanted to switch to a new OS and some of them didn't work you know if you're using an open source OS like a boon to that wouldn't be a problem cuz you guys download whatever you need it are you using that now no I wish I were 10-foot pole because you compile your bun to all day I write my own applications they can pile up for whatever system with you and whichever process with our whatever whatever architecture all right yeah yeah Michael just lost it yeah why that was funny it's like he put all the Vegas home his face he's turning red yeah you just love that no nothing thing i don't i don't get DP elders damn huge lols i understand that Intel needs to you know seal up this messaging and scare everybody about going to arm but at the same time shouldn't ultrabooks sell themselves we're gonna get laptops now that's exactly right but there's another regular person I feel like people want is just my people a year and we want to destroy people at mainstream yeah but the macbook air is probably one of apple's best selling computers of all time did you yeah yeah the current generation what I'm saying is is like they're not just going after the air and that's what I was trying to talk about going on your laptop you're going after lap times they want to make mainstream runs so like the ones that are like lower down like optic they don't want you to say and they don't want you to say I want an ultrabook they wanted to say I want a one of those thin laptops well they want you to say ultrabook because they love that name so much stop interrupting me okay they want you to say I want one of those thin laptops and then your buddy says Oh an ultrabook that's exactly what you like me to the car is illegally divorce your body this was an you go by the laptop laptop it's an ultrabook that was a quote from the privet that's just marketing okay will.i.am said that ultrabooks will.i.am is a puppet I didn't tell puppet okay what are they the new what did they point i gotta feeling and will.i.am came on stage yes go ahead it's just like all the guides obvious What did he say the new ghetto what's the blasters what he said this well I said what we had a blast ultra little ghetto blasters will.i.am was on cocaine drunk and also getting paid by Intel you say whatever I say whatever what it is on his strength that is true vlada got very mad because he said these have the worst speakers and I don't know let's be honest let's be honest that's a load of okay legends juice there's one by is it no I don't I don't wanna I don't wanna I wanna cut any sony booth you know what it can you swim in this air today so she's raw Sony's very raw yeah it will smith on stage the other day carmen carmen was on series let's just talk about the celebrities I've seen any I don't wanna said that that's been the highlight I don't want us to base our opinions of the ultrabooks on what will I am said funniest script for sony so are they gonna be able to marry I'm sorry I'd never sorry for Intel the six hundred dollar windows laptop which i think is the dominant laptop like in the world wait is that gonna be an ultrabook next year probably definitely so that what is really in telecom but I do want I question I don't know but I want to talk about some of the other ones that I like yeah what is in accomplishing their would be great they're pushing the entire industry towards I think they want I think they want people to associate altra book the way they think of macbook I think they want it I didn't want to have a brand a thing they go like this is when I had an tell they had to discern out of PCs the neck this right now but noone a pentium in century no are from like the nine years ago this is the next one I get it that's their trademark know right but ultrabook is is more it goes beyond a processor yeah it it reaches into know I bought you think they wanted a brain in popular hotel is popular marketing these things until inside pentium india these are brands of people and they want ultrabook to be the thing you say you're going to strain say i want an ultrabook i will definitely get an intelligent but we're not getting buddy but the trunk door but the truth of it is based on what we saw today are starting out today by the last couple of days there are gonna be a couple of regular regular laptops and then everything else is gonna basically be an ultrabook because you don't need you don't you don't need to make the gaming pc anymore for the average consumer you're making it runs windows it's great with ie it's great with running you know basic gaming hey we made up we made a windows version of cut the rope or whatever you know god I've seen so many cut the me office great your boom you're there right that's enough that they don't need to and they're talking about ivy bridge is gonna have better graphics so you're not gonna have to get like a wrecker laptop so yeah I mean they strongly want to create this idea of the Ultrabook as a thing they've accomplished yeah but my question and I think that when I say what are they accomplished is they're just selling more laptops yeah I don't think they're gonna sell what if he gets all once okay thank no no yeah let me explain how this worked wed winning nobody ships to the laptops Todd then then OEMs I laughed I was always laptops I mean that's great they did ultrabooks they're not if they're not fighting this they're not getting that well I like Mayfield I'm corrosion you that you're gonna do but that's not ultra bug that's what I that's I'm saying this whole ultrabook a bad fierros not ultrabooks I agree with you so this whole initiative all this money all this effort ultra gonna they're gonna bunch of tabs they're gonna tabs on tablets when they have the right chip job looks so much you're gonna turn it down I think the reality is that it doesn't matter of intel says we have a great prostitute for tablets because until apple laptops until Apple adopts their great tablet architecture Apple's sa lappa but I know but I or if Intel pulls off like what they did with ultrabook where you they've got like four or five manufacturers ready to go with a great intel no but have no Macon's there Brandi no but I I disagree because I wouldn't replace the laptop they don't think that's gonna happen well what are you doing what's happening you walk towards happening stop right um a video started playing I don't think you can bring up tablet to talk about what Intel wants to tablets and have it mean anything because their business is right now it's laptop okay so here's I'm saying that's a great business for them and they're obviously moving they're trying to push that business but I think overall in the industry that business is diminishing overall laptops right yeah well in so I do need a laptop I think people still need laptops but if you try baby a truck yeah not everybody needs a truck anytime you don't want a car if you accept the biggest growth cebula need a motorcycle and other people want to just use a scooter what is it jet ski boris and yes he goes I want it why have we had this conversation water is liquid liquid is available at this conversation a variety of forms mostly just gatorade though how did you later it don't worry about you pedialyte assocd away yeah good uh when she's at that age women's our thing about babies or when they're hibernating pedialyte i have a friend that really what you think you know what let's be honest you're thinking about babies it's fine it's a big deal i love me I accurate read in the olpc XO post that i do not i am not pregnant what is very hard teensies stern is not pregnant way you're not I said that this wasn't meant for my children or my unborn children because they're not it's not meant for Bulger unborn means that you're pregnant but they're not and then I put in parentheses I am not pregnant well then you should be using odd for my own poor children wait what sounded right can we quickly just unpack what you meant if it's not free exo lab we'll just look I think the clock is ticking tablet for kids in the unborn on the unburnt better world the developing world I think unborn world developing world but enjoying the saying let me open chord she say honey she's one reckon one on set and her children are gonna be proud try can I try to a pair for and hopefully our children are gonna have ultra boy thank you anything I can't turn have ultrabooks and unfortunately kids another arrest of the world are gonna have exiting would you announce a mad talent where unfortunately they'll have XO time because they live in the developing world what's wrong exit tablets they're not I mean that's what they are meant for they were built for that what's wrong with him though there's nothing wrong with well then why did you say unfortunate I mean I wouldn't want 10 so what's wrong with them yeah there I mean let's get your party right now by the way they're like it's nothing like feeling they like knees here yo Jerry is there like the size of a encyclopedia I think Joanna's right you say is i am not pregnant i stated with today time is limited to make this thing happen she's looking for a guy the right guy and I'm going to leave CES pregnant oh my god it's like this puppy there's literally like a large group of people here who it's an awkward conversation awesome is what it is I feel not awkward or what it said I agree I'm also leaving CS pregnant yeah let's do it oh i gotcha by da real charge I'm gonna find another guy what is going on first off Yuki I don't want you guys to do it unless you're legally very big we on a star I'm gonna turn around you know we gotta either get it across to commercial are an interest Dominus sis crib just a baby she getting more shine right way we did not get a chance to hear what ultrabooks you actually like yes I can either go ahead let's do it but all that feeling what don't you looking to buy a child quiet go ahead the XO laptop so you're seriously ministers your Ultrabook pics over my ultrabook pics so i really like four of them it's kind of hard for me to point what is wrong with us that we just transitioned from talking about you guys doing it you know I never talked about Ewing to use your dirty mind is it yes yeah is it my dirty mind everyone or it was that what they were talking about yeah you okay we go ahead am real quick Joanna there's no credibility yeah there yeah not now juicy okay side Joanna auto stern yes I'll jumbo packs all right I'm gonna name for we're gonna have something up on the site tomorrow some more pics yeah he's a proud he you name one and then say your stand out about each one yes go happy one more ever get it you can say like a frame just do it I rang words for the cheaper one not that cheap it's 999 the dell XPS 13 I like it it's seems like a screen resolution yeah you're not gonna be happy with that yeah it out of my face with that I know I know but it's it feels nice go on all right second one a little bit more expensive series 9 good resolution the samisen copies at it ultra that's 1399 yeah I just said I'm glad to say Matt 30 inch macbook air like fully SPECT out yeah is like what that's pretty sport 17 yeah it's exciting to you you're saying the series 9 what is it what does backs core i5 4 gigs of ram 128 gig sse so the Specht out mackay 13 is core i7 to know you sex SSD yeah its core i7 256 for weeks away 128 starts at 1399 yeah it's the same price they're going to tell you I'd keep going so it's and what do you like out at Utah oh yeah it's always nice it feels really nice really fast as the trackpad the trackpad is a little bit better than the first one it I haven't played it if that gets your juices flowing like the type that is a little bit better than the first one it's definitely not macbook air quality what do you what is right and what is the track what is macbook air quality the macbook air what else in terms of trackpad I don't know not even going to say Joanna into pcs freely admits I was not ripe add up to stop with the macbook right and something i'm going to write it also is like how much better Windows works on air like the touchpad works perfectly fine with windows so I most doing something great with the hardware and I don't know what's going on I wanna drive and they make the divers continue okay we did the series 9 this I I mean this I really like the env the env constructor yeah i mean it is thick and it is heavy because there's glass all over it that makes no sense hey don't you you know the best way to protect something gorilla wrap it in glass Gorilla Glass rabbiting glass gorilla is that the same glass that breaks when you drop an iphone yes oh yeah yeah no life under that robe lat yeah it does yes yeah on the back of their own I know it's grown on the back it's improve in its grill glass it's an adoption I don't read this one it's grown really Apple I don't have I don't have a large enough dude to put that book away well get it on ebook that one is your laptop nine and I really like that but I just like has a lot of cool stuff in it and then displays awesome subscribe i900 gradients this way really nice display so those those are the three FFF 10-4 it's like not really an ultrabook it's that Lenovo yoga what about the VZ I think it's really weird but the visit I you don't need a video you liked it the 1600 by the high-risk visitors of 16 by 9 yeah yeah I'm all over that yeah I videos I don't think we can like sweet there it's really interesting they did a good job they feel nice we don't know I think like we use the keyboard and like they're coming out I mean yeah I thought I realize you're coming out easy won't be on again yeah how do you know I know for a fact what in st. hey what's coming up you I don't trust them I we never saw their phone the phone phones are hard it's really bad laptops are easy no the laptops on the bar not anyone can make a laptop oh really yeah not anyone not anyone you ever been to China have you ever been to see yes yeah I've ever been to you can make them a not good well that wasn't our question was I think they look I mean no look yeah they put out the tablet because they'd have to go through the carrier they could not put out the phone because they had to go through carriers just too hard yeah they told me they took all their engineers and put them on the from the phone to the pc other pieces are coming out my only reservation about it is that cuz it looks showing what about the touchpad on though I mean it was all wonky but it's not coming out for six off when you're like doing a quick hands-on well that's insane yeah I mean they said like made hanging somewhere that shot look I'll fault I'll forgive them like a walkie balti Tata implementation during the demo CS they get honor but when that thing comes out yeah it's fair when I think comes out I mean we have to know if the keyboard is any good and if that track pad works but overall it's like it there's promise on that note I what are ya and it's the lenovo yoga which like Ben's nothing's not like the future how do you like relax this cool form factor after school yeah I mean I'm great aim oh you know that I mean you don't have a keyboard like I don't want to have this keyboard glue to the back of this tablet every time I use it as a tablet like that is gonna be annoying like this is what it's like so why do you like it this is just cool and windows 8 works really well on it i I'm really excited about Windows 8 you don't like how it were it's really really well yeah yeah we should have tom tom warren come on tomorrow yeah I mean we were we've been playing with some windows 8 stuff that we feel you got it he got 80 got an awesome exclusive ok any new windows a beta Joanna which is a few what's your take on it on Microsoft like not not even caring about windows like they're hiding windows 8 at the show basically i mean i think they not time you that's why they're bailing from i think next month they have a big announcement it's time they don't want to ruin it right now they want to be the focus at next month and they're not talking about hardware anyway right now you're not gonna talk about hardware till the fall or end of the year I mean end of like well I think what's her later I mean but and last year at this show they announced windows on arm it was I mean it went use the word one of the worst of the house was every yeah it was a physical at apria now a year later I mean a year later that I think that announcement has like kicked in Intel like indie gear right they're doing all the stuff well yeah but Microsoft actually saw I mean they're like here's some windows 8 it's gonna run it's really fascinating about show it's really crazy about that is that you know we went to Qualcomm before the show and we've had to Paul Jacobs the CEO and he was talking about that you know Qualcomm can now competing with Intel yeah like Windows 8 devices and now Intel's is reversing it and make totally android device you know give me power android i mean i think i was talking to it crazy woman who I've known for a while at the Intel thing we were he started covering this industry when they were um PCs and mids and I was like it's on the stretcher wasn't it wasn't Thomas Ricker but it was the 70s steve payne chippy and he used to cover it like me and um pcs and i was like basically this is like Intel coming full circle just realizing it had to put a phone and that they were too early like they had to make a phone early on I think you're being a little apologetic on their behalf no i mean i think in telling you that like mobile was a thing that you said what I took too long to get here if anybody else I didn't have the technology and right or the idea it's all if I'm happy buddy you know Intel owned read the mid own desk we had an armed license and they blew it yeah so it's what they were talking about these terminable internet devices and like like they have little nap things they were showing all these things a while ago they just did know how to do it right then you're right they didn't have the technical guy 92 hours about it you know you can't actually cute get out of my face all right on that note I'm gonna get out of your face we should take a break Joanna thank you for being here yes I mean even though we're with each other 24 7 yes I mean not ask you got you and me yes I know don't worry hey yeah but I mean it'll be bad we're gonna be back before i'm born child yeah i'll come back on a true my baby good a father for this my bieber baby well i think we know who is Marja bieber day tomorrow i'm on bieber happy today meeting tomorrow Bieber I don't know where I'm talking anyhow we're going to take a break you're talking to jacob apparently we're going to we're going to take a break it will be right back with justin bieber if we have it under 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can tell the stories better than anyone else in the industry and we're back so actually it's only ten baby I would love to have a baby I don't say that the thing we just saw is you know forward is sponsoring us and they they we got an opportunity thanks to their sponsorship to shoot some behind-the-scenes stuff yeah which is really cool and we can actually our planning meeting but yeah we were planning to yes on some of those shots where I was actually you know figuring out what we're doing here but um yeah I think it's very cool yeah it looks like a movie trailer no no it looks like we're doing a really serious yeah she's already what he's talking about Joanna having a baby it's you yeah developing world anyhow chris ziegler is here are one of our senior editor senior mobile out of there very happy together I'm painful but i'll just give us your spider house is why not okay why you dont clap yourself I'm clever dog photography for the cash okay not for me lie down he's caught me for Chrissy lot a lot of mobile news where are we starting with this for what we have you guys had a meeting so we had it so we had okay that's good so I thought can I just say one thing today was like for a meetings day we took a lot of meetings there me metal with water world there were intimate gatherings yeah there were what I would describe well I would ascribe to this page of like a long car ride pagan rituals yeah a doe see the high dosing of acid yeah mushrooms ecstasy 1i PCP you guys can't see is there's a guy driving a vacuum busy here bony this guy's going three blazing up and down the aisle it's gas engine you can burn like he's putting her down on the batter now alright so we had a meeting with Sanjay Jha the CEO of motorola mobility yeah and and there was a Maloney and a Maloney yes who runs their home home connected home right and and there are a handful of other journalists there and Sanjay got into it hey Monique of it but uh but no he said some really i'll say this he said some really interesting things he was very honest yeah straight up on the record very ken what's happening behind me there's a Zamboni it's just boy I think this guy's just message every time you think I do you think he's messing with us um if I don't have to drive that thing I look freaked out alright that guy's high and drunk you got 30 seconds before he comes back i do right but but a week but there were some really big things that he said I think yeah he said so I pressed him on the skinny and stuff and that really set him off you really what we published a quote yeah it was the quote Eddie so I said you could do smart actions as a nap why is it necessary to skin these devices and he went and by the way i think was was very clear about i don't think he was upset about the question he here's a quote you verizon an eighteen t don't want seven stock ice cream sandwich devices on their cells we have to make money and then he said there's no way to make profit on Vice that isn't differentiated yeah the vast majority of changes we make to the OS are to meet the requirements that the carriers have so which is so the gist of what he was saying actually was not that we don't want to release you know we it's not that we don't want to release a stock phone a lot of it was the carriers have they need things put on the phone they need to do their testing and that's all like part is nothing's all worth it well like superfluous animations you know serious passing the book no no but but I think they're saying verizon saying don't bring us a stock android phone because we don't want it I think they're saying verizon saying you better come with something original or we can't market it in our crazy violent act right right and for a company like Motorola the thought of verizon saying no we're not going to take that device is a pretty scared that's debt that would be death to them right now hey motorola was dead three year two years ago yeah okay and they've been saved by android and verizon well and they're in no position way way way that they've been saved they've been revitalized but they have not actually been saving they are still struggling well they've beta been purchased but they're on their way no he's your buyer just if thats not purchase what's here between a con and a great business deal the wording think about that just like that's due by everybody for a second uh let's let's let's be very clear google tried to do the unlocked phone thing with the nexus one and even google failed so i don't think that Google buying motorola legal wasn't really trying they were just riffing right but why would they were definitely there definitely just like let's try this out to it first of all first of all Google's public public statement on this whole situation is that they're gonna be hands-off with Motorola and for all I know that's true I still don't know that that's necessarily untrue I think it's untrue yeah I got there's my god speaking they're gonna give out access devices I think that I don't know about that but I think they're gonna a little does a lot why do you want to own motorola pens patents yeah they bought Motorola to own patents and they're gonna let them keep making the same phone as a change to Google what's that again what is this it's jump yeah okay haha alright I just love the idea of like Sanjay Jha like Larry page's making it right Thank You strange image actually Larry Page has a cannon so I is it you just like throw him in its hundreds and yeah it's like a helo todavia flower on his own battleship yeah yeah he pushes a phone by the time the money comes out is just an attractant care what goes he goes in his face and kind of burns upcoming re-entry the atmosphere it's quite a powerful making rain can sin beta it's it dirty see how it feels you know what happens what happens if we all make it rain with this cannon do you think I wish I can be sweet there right now but I'm podcasting so I can't stop here yeah what is the verge cast don't get too precious a national here yeah really profession well what we're in a broadcast out my galaxy nexus does a lot better than those other fault the other stock phones I do you think that might change some people's alliance I don't think so because now verizon still looks at it as a very each product each device is a very siloed device i think that they look at each each phone in a vacuum and i really don't think to be honest I see Sanjay's point I think that that is the message that carriers are delivering to him I don't think that he was if you see each phone in a vacuum why do you need a differentiate because Touche because just when you get out why don't you come back when you have some real information if you're it says these these empty is empty you can show a distraction if you promise you get pregnant by the way yeah tamanna did it's a great effect guys just don't do it well write my words I will be pregnant by the time I leave Las Vegas yes with the lace beeps will you let your children use it all people owner rolling with a motorola ice cream sandwich that's way out of my wheelhouse I'm not equipped to answer that yeah go ahead will resume I have no idea could be very differentiation uh give me back a vacuum all right everybody back right right so sorry i think that the galaxy nexus and the nexus line in general is a very specific case for verizon and for other carriers and it's almost like the iphone and that there's a lot of pressure on the part of the for nationals to carry Google's flagship product and there's a lot of reluctance I don't think that Verizon I mean look at the marketing campaign that Verizon put forth for the Galaxy Nexus versus the droid razr for example the verizon put out like three like feature-length movies for the droid razr fees are exploding motorcycles and well dudes and you know and this this is the whole thing is that a stock phone has never gotten a fair shake so how can they be so sure what will keep it really fail here's the other part of that equation is that a stock device cut completely cuts verizon out of the the arpu picture the revenue picture so you know beyond the plan they're screwed and and they want to minimize that as much as they can there's so they're so screwed because they're only getting a hundred fifty dollars am I mean yeah daddy's house picture I'm sorry what how does the stock phone cut him out of the picture because they're not getting the phone isn't filled with crap no but I can't you know my argument is not you can fill the phone with crap put the crab on there those are the apps yeah their apps or apks they don't affect exactly the operation like on windows right so put the crapware on there and let me have the option to delete it or use it and I would say most people probably end up using it but don't reskin the phone change the way it operates change the mail client and do all this i mean i know they have I know there's this exchange issue but let's say they include an exchange client don't change the basic operation of the phone and that was my argument today when we were talking was smart actions is great but isn't a some kind of a crazy system level thing that cannot be done as an APK they have it as an APK in the market you can download it for you know the appropriate motorola devices so the issue is and what they would sanjay basically said was we there are pressures from carriers to differentiate and we're not driving you know what i think is at the end of the day I mean we've had this conversation 100 times at the end of the day that means there is a huge gulf between what consumers want and what the market is actually dictating for these devices well there's a lot of what they wanted to do but that's over reaching consumers don't know what they want to be very fair no that's exactly right and Steve Jobs said this and and and and so did so did Henry Ford well I mean essentially here's yeah he's quoting and by the way I know this because we talked to for tonight but the quote is something like if I ask customers what they want they'd say a faster horse yeah now that's right that's that's not what I mean not at that level like yeah consumers gonna mail you a picture of what they really want I'm saying these skins the overdog touch Jacques touch yeah I'm saying there's not it if the carriers are saying we want this we don't want that that's not there they're placing a barrier between carriers are saying make it different I don't think they're being so specific no I think they're being really special i don't think so i think they're saying make it different but i think they're being very specific III mean I've heard really they're giving about about LG and HTC and yeah they order the phones basically right then they building i got like on a fast food menu look nationals absolutely do the regionals don't they picked out of the regional these guys are just yet exactly but that verizon AT&T tmobile Express ordering Philippa tweet their rap are they ordering having a very unhealthy diet or billing look you got to get all this crap on there or did they say like feature changes or no I know but like oh is there a usability expert at the carrier level that like water was nothing I know that's what I'm saying like and I think that's kind of what you were saying like there there are market forces that are dictating you know for them to make a profit or a bigger profit they need to put crap on their phones but but there's nobody at the carrier who is responsible for this ultimate product because they made themselves responsible if you is actually completely focused on delivering a well functioning perfectly usually me like like a really smart like a designer who know like yeah like yeah you know I get Johnny I've who works at the carrier yeah that did the person who sees no sense no I don't know why was it doesn't make sense but if they put this they put themselves on this I know why even though they need a wider on the pedestal because the past will make some money like no that's what I'm a hair like they're excited this is the model so at least they should go ahead and do a good thing let's consider something else which is that that I know once I need to do if design and usability ruled supreme the world would be rid of Comic Sans if you you you think of how many so much and I'm what a dream you know wait how do you non-threatening Lisa wait how do you how do you tell the world how passive aggressive fall okay tell like somebody has some yes yourselves refrigerator door in a jokey way that's a comic Sal can you tell what looks good if Comic Sans ceases to exist so you're saying every carrier needs one really crappy phone yeah yeah every carrier needs the fascinate with being on okay no the continuum yeah but the one with the total right that y'all gonna member that huge innovation yeah what happened gonna be it yeah can I ebi for the little ICS touch screen buttons yeah they got that from the continuum that's right they ripped it off Google's look at this on Andy Rubin was like that that's what we need yeah do that no multi-touch but I want that hey I go on do you want to talk about you talk to Steven oh yeah hold on wait but I wanted to squeak latempa Sanjay job the other things that he said was really interesting um he said so they don't want it they don't want a bunch of unskinny phones they also said they're gonna make fewer phones in the coming year that's right well it is exciting because what it means is that the industry is waking up to what we know to be true by editorial yes which is on day one good job is not not only my only is the demand not there but you are selling yourself short as a make a phone maker if you're like every iterate you're like we can make the screen 1 inch bigger that's actually big point point 1 inch bigger let's make a new phone on that one it should be a huge butt but like it's like we found a way to have a ripple back instead of a curvy back like you don't I mean it's like every innovation they keep issuing a new phone I think you're starting to realize that that doesn't exactly work in the market at this point right and well I don't think it will work for a long time I don't I mean phones aren't laptops laptops are rocks are not motorcycles motorcycles are not cars stone but but phones aren't they're not it's not the same thing that we've been playing that same game it's seeming with tablets so i j-just said you go into a store and there's 24 they're exactly the same android tablets and nobody's buying them Chris can you say the gist of your editorial against people read it yeah I would love to actually which the main overarching theme in that editorial is that by releasing a new device every two to three months you're alienating your best customers you're you're saying to the to the people who are supporting your brand and springing products f you know like i said but you know what it's funny motorola said that today right Sean J I was like we want to put out fewer phones yeah what he's doing at this show is giving the finger to everybody who just bought a razor cuz they put out the razr maxx exactly are you kidding me well i think i put up an idea but i did enjoy hardcore no but shud i think that's a hard to the joint but i think this is part of their abing right 17 but i think this is part of their abing situation yeah sense that they have been just iterative and tiny changes in just so many heavens but you don't accident your way into the razr maxx you're like oh that's the end no I think they did I think it's exactly what they did I think they talked about it he did he said an engineer said hey what if we made the back like this we could do and he was like what's the battery and it was like 30 300 milliamps and he freaked out or somebody freaked out said that's awesome and it's for the power users right but I think that but I think that we're at the tail end of that for them at least with him saying we recognize the droid bionic the droid razr the droid for the razr maxx in the span of three or four months or something is an untenable way to run their business their phone business because the truth is there aren't enough people out there to support it what they really need is like a low-end device a high-end device about once really about once a year maybe twice maximum well I think I think you could legitimately a low-end device and then to Honda a couple form factors yeah like keyboard you do keyboard no keyboard but we're talking about substantial differences right not like this one's thin this one's slightly less than because that's not substantial and consumers aren't gonna buy into that and and this this phone has ever slanting corners right this she'll just be a trial did anybody grill Sanjay on these horrible corners know Butch Jones me corner himself really yes he said he said in retrospect I wish we had we had made the the the razor a little less edgy and I think he bent he meant the curve on the back where it where it comes up so extreme writing on the camera and I think he actually was saying that he wishes it was more like the max in a sense that you can it doesn't feel as a continuous yes instead of this kind of weird break yeah but I don't find probably the corner I'm seriously I have official I saw hammer I would never buy a device with those corners why they motivated came out with the best phone of the world I would not buy a device with the corner that they have on the xyboard on the razor like they're putting on all orders are nobody yourself accidentally liners I'm tired of like weird oblique angles those angles are important well that that is no it's the essence of a useless thing yes that is the perfect example of meaningless differentiation yes where they're like whoa but then they didn't change the edges to differentiate they change it because that's their design language I mean it's purely aesthetic and not at all functional right well lots of things are purely aesthetic all functional like the glass back on the iphone 4 yeah right your earliest attic and not at all functional unless you consider both know there's no functionality to was well i think i think what Paul's getting added there's also an aspect so simple to see her flu asst that's right it's not a simple design you can't argue that that super superfluous design that that that a design element is superfluous just because no you don't think it needs to be there the altar exam I I it's superfluous oh it's like gavel tunes on a fifties Cadillac yeah but superfluous to do is it is but it's exactly what but is what's making I tailfin sure are you kidding me there's nothing like help it off like a black well the xyboard is not yeah if you took those tail fins off it would be it would look like a different totally different car yeah yeah 50 years from now you're gonna have kids fixing up a whole Bible they bring into Santa ratchet and they're like okay guys and by the way I'm not saying that I like the edges but i will say that design is designed and easy but it's there so you don't like it nobody figured it's either good or bad I mean I that's all there is to this is an awesome segue into nokia because i love the Lumia 900 years are gonna go see you in every deal up today wait soja just said one of the new deal of today wait soja just said one other thing I want to talk about kan ons in chrome that keeps on Chrome yep on the one stop chrome is coming to web top that's hot and it looked casually it was so weird we were like we said I've asked monroe LA questions sewing we said I was just bitching about the software and I said you know the sovereigns not good you know are you to put chrome on them he's like that's coming we'll continue to offer a Firefox option or something like that and more generally he said that ICS enables a number of things that's going to make the webtop experience more affluent yeah exactly so i don't but i don't understood the firefox offering yeah why don't you continue to know how to offer that yeah that's that no but so so segue into nokia um okay uh say we know yeah I did interview with well we saw the n900 yo the Lumia 900 900 is the Mego device yes that's rough late well their fault they made it I just you know I gotta kiss that goodbye you guys got a safe for a while what station now Tizen Tizen no that's actually harmattan no no that nice all right oh we can sew sew sew sew nokia introduced the Lumia 900 and we had an interview with Stephen Elop today and I go I mean which he was he was I think I think he's legitimately psyched about these devices but what's interesting is that what I think what i thought was interesting was that he we also interviewed Erin women today did that go up I don't have a gym we've seen so many yeah it didn't go up not on please well we interviewed air will be from from Microsoft I news people yeah yeah by the time you guys do this but but he said that what i thought was most interesting is that some of the innovations in me go they were looking at they would consider as you know something they wanted to bring to mm-hmm windows phone yeah and I feel like that's I know he may have said stuff along those lines before but it was he was very candid about the fact that they e that there was a lot of innovation there and they weren't putting that necessarily to bed and they would be looking at it but the other thing the things he had trouble answering were why is this the real windows phone as opposed to HTC or Samsung his answer was because the dokey is fully focused on it but that doesn't kind of skirts the issue which is he's basically trying to say that Samsung and HTC and LG are making they're not the real thing clearly he said the genuine article he's saying because nokia is the only company entirely spoke entirely focused on it yeah except for a bachelor we're making that megaphone and simultaneously with that and they're still selling like Symbian devices other than that stuff it's completely their laser focus land but he seemed legitimately excited and the only thing I I walked away from was that you know they really think they've got this is there he was reverie buddies were lucky to call their halo device but this is clearly the Windows Phone halo device right but I I wanted to talk I wanted have a longer conversation I think he's got a lot more to say and I got it but I'll say for no kids a big deal to have a guy in charge who seems legitimate invested in what they're making yeah I don't think they've had that for a long time think I've really said no but they were legitimately invested in things that that were obviously not going the way they in their minds they thought they were supposed to be going I think it's a dangerous there's a dangerous difference between liking something and trying to get it to go in the right direction and liking something trying to get to go in the right direction it's not going in the right direction and not seeing that mm-hmm so we don't know Elop has that we haven't we have yet to test him yeah to see if he's seen it or not you know hopefully it goes the right direction because for you competition sounds like you like kind of bro down a little bit I mean we we there was a period of growing down no I'm at it with a brief interview and spoke we fist pumped a few times I don't know but the thing is that he's fairly down to earth when he talked to him and I thought that his attitude about there were some PR stuff you know some scripted stuff yeah but I think that generally he was fairly loose and talkative about the device and their strategy and they seemed really happy to be back doing a North American device hmm you know and they recognized the importance of North America are they bringing something to Mobile World Congress well they haven't said well he intimated that this you know he keeps saying this is just one of many things Microsoft is gonna have big announcements right they haven't said I thought I guess my place is that they are gonna do you yeah version yeah the thing is it that the Lumia 900 not the amenities mascot not his job like he's just coming out and then Mobile World Congress is gonna happen like like these specs are getting really yeah specially specially the screen now the resolution in the display I mean that the Nokia display looks what is it called pure black clear by looks clear black not what was our thing sure sure black it looks really really good yeah but it's like I have to say I'm really drinking the Microsoft kool aid of specs not mattering with with these phones because every time I've used a Windows Phone going all the way back in the original launch last November with the exception of the surround best reliever it everything feels so fluid it the software is so well matched to the hardware that I think that makes a big difference that's one that's one thing that has really hurt Android from the beginning is the fact that the software is so decoupled from the hardware that even extremely high spec phones are quite often stuttery right we've seen it on 1.5 gigahertz dual-core phones yeah that's I mean that's in the basic UI windows phone but when you're launching apps and the you know the game performance is pretty low right now really though I mean like there's some really good xbox live games on on windows yeah okay xbox live games I mean there were not new one announced this week I want to check it they should be solving for they should be solving for a real-time multiplayer that's ridiculous they own an xbox live it's the most popular multiplayer gaming service in the world there's a ton of those apps online and and there's no reason why they can't do phone versions of apps that you can play against people who are on a console so you think there's so many so much opportunity will see it the next generation chassis well I mean where are they gonna wear skype integration yeah no I don't know but but what I would say they need to do next generation chassis next generation software which includes skype integration you know better multitasking notifications which i think is still rough on the platform and in better heart whoa i said better job of screening in the screen but but also there's something else I have to put a blanket on it but I think they need to they need to come to us from Jon touch each other they're not at a competitive level but they're not at the I don't think they're at lost level that's the problem when I when I was like oh the gaas a 720p display that to me was a bump yeah I know there's this argument about this and that you know the technology it looks better than every other 800 x 480 screen abused I'll tell you what I spoke with chris webber today and what that interview up soon too he is the president of nokia's North American operations and he made a very interesting point to me which is that you have that cyan Lumia 900 in this in the store right you have so many people that are walking in the store they don't know what they want they're gonna they're gonna you know just look at the phones and pick what what looks good are they they're gonna buy what the the sales rep tells them goodbye so they see that Sian Lumia 900 looks frickin awesome and even if you don't buy it even if you end up going up to the counter and saying yeah that's a little dangerous for me I'm gonna get the black it's that that blue phone that bright blue phone on the Shelf that talked you into the Lumia and i think that's it that's a an interesting play well I think that it's the the question is how many people are really psyched about a bright blue I Lumia and I think that number is it tracks your eyes that I I think well yeah you plays a pretty weak argue and roid might have done that a little bit with like the large screen it's not so much that because I don't like you think that's a good problem arch screen but but man a story you're gonna notice that it's true you're looking at the different phones and all the sudden you see a 4.3 inch next to the 3.5 and it's a notable difference I mean I we it's not a notable difference anymore it's not a no difference anymore i'ii crime except for the note oh god it's just I mean I we keep talking about Android like Android as a holes successful T strategies it's samsung samsung is accompanied this out I think motorola motoroi dural blazing motorola blaze the patent a large we had a lot of fights out there what other metrics do you measure performance on bc is struggling right the only the company's always a struggling they're struggling now they're doing okay no latest quarter is little bear naked yeah but we've had enough but but the entire economy is taking except for samsung which is blown up that's an order ever yeah i mean there's one company that's really succeeding with android its samsung yeah the other companies they had an accelerated growth curve because it was a new platform people were switching the smartphones yeah was on verizon you can you could start saying doom and gloom for android app I'm not saying do you include Frank ya know what is the platform seem to include for motorola and I'm saying I'm saying there's one company that is like these strategies have worked for one company it's not for android no I think that's we don't need to early it's too early to call this it's been like two years sure I mean what technologies can you call it to you whether or not that's part of this it's part of this how I got to be if you last what yes what technology remember you're buying webinar the vast majority of smartphones sold in the world can you call it two years now I'm not saying that I mean I I just want us to be more careful come out like new what Android is doing or how Android but if you do but it's me real no but if you look at the aggregate you don't look at you know you don't look at this quarter as the as the when you look at her freights you see didn't just go like this it's been going with you well okay fine same for motorola means like that then we'll know that it that that piece of it has failed but you have to look at a longer sure somebody playing party rock anthem right now i hear it no you're just hearing no i'm saying i'm hearing it somebody's out here playing it um under saying that that that that you need to watch a longer curve that they're not one or two years so you wore one or one or two quarters it's that's the longer dude don't get me wrong there do what a cc yeah that their profits have been down yeah they didn't try my were they up last quarter no the most recent corner a quarter they were down year-over-year by a lot a lot like i was just saying it's what we're in a recession sure then you seized from you may be right i I don't you know who I'm bullish on LG we're scanning I actually can I can I talk about two piece of news I know where yeah we have to wrap it I want to talk about to last piece of news one of which i think is totally self but a huge huge piece of news are the cs but actually real quick on LG I think it's really interesting that their android phone skin is a totally unmitigated disaster so the ugliest thing I've ever seen but their google TV skin is like oh that's kind of refined it's kind of value it's like hot where were these guys been why do you just haven't make the phone Jeremy asked you for a miracle I think their remote is really wonky and bad I'm not getting your remote discussion anyway I thought you know I talked to to research Anders ahead of Google TV today and I was like what's with these remote seems like I know we have to figure it out and it was like but the big pieces are sure to be that is it unmitigated disaster let's be honest no it's the i think is one of the stories of the show man I mean they're all have them their honor that someone's doing another google TV they're all pushing it it was an abject failure it was an object and everybody admits it totally but this is never just been just more magnanimous about the fact that you blew it yeah or whatever the emotion i'm interested in the reaction but but whatever being like yeah you know we blew it doesn't mean that somehow you've like captured some special moment of success workforce coming don't you what's coming about you blew it yeah yeah more scott me not magnanimous that's just like being religious yeah right there forthcoming about the fabula yeah you know what we screwed it up that's like saying like yeah you know I killed a guy in a hit-and-run I I wasn't really paying attention where I'm getting back behind the wheel I'll get back yo the guys dead yeah kill them and you could never take that back yeah that's what google TV is but but it's no different from the android phone right i mean that the g one was not a runaway success no but it was it was also wasn't a huge failure it's true right room there's a difference between not a success and a failure and and what we saw was the g one was that the the uptake was slow but people weren't like this thing blows get it out of my face i hate it yeah true well there are only two things about the first google TV that we're really terrible three right 30 for real you know i was three it was three very specific ones one they didn't have apps so everything came through chrome and all the networks block prone mmm second their performance is bad in general because they're on intel processors are underpowered and third they're utterly reliant on flash and for what about the IR blaster well that you know that's all bad but that's like it was it was just bad and like homicide you're like oh velocity no I a blaster you love I mean you overprice bed four or five hours reflectively talking about the IR blaster I'm how much you had a problem right that's like I agree that that was a problem it wasn't like a fatal flaw problem that was this is clunky problem this is revisionist history so that's also an issue with with the review specifically right now Google TV as a platano it's a problem with Google TVs a platform I'm saying like uh if you I I thought I think our blasters are stupid i think it's very clear but those three problems are fatal problems for everybody flash flash slow performance no contact and that makes that make sure my learned dead is that what they say they have tried to address this wrong I'll believe it when I see it yeah we all know that until until and by the way I saw Walt Mossberg earlier tonight and we were talking about smart TVs mm-hm and he was saying basically the same thing that we were saying Walt wasn't talking about remotes he was talking about search and discovery he was talking about the the fire blasters he was talking about our know he was saying he was saying any of the problem is the content you can't get the content from the people who make it to the user because there's a bunch of bottlenecks in between it yeah and that's an unchanged google TV or no get out of my face we can have this entire yeah we all right we gotta wrap up one more piece to do that's actually think guesses please ultraviolet and i think this is great movie I think really underrated you know the generator ultraviolet a lot of great Ronnie effect I Josiah is actually a bottle necked week it's a bottle each week but I'm telling you describe it ultraviolet is it's a centralized drm system Hollywood like basically decided they're all gonna use the same dr any way they want all the retailers to use the same year so like Bob's Bob's digital video store I'll not Bob's you buy from walmart and you know why i use it as i walk into a physical store and then put a flash drive in something walk out with well maybe actually could do that now but i don't know that you would that standard drm for video with a standard drm for all video providers right instead of amazon and apple pie around today they announced amazon is supporting the standard so you buy a movie from amazon you can play it back on any device that supports ultraviolet you buy a movie from walmart you can play back on any device in sports Ultravox notable and they're doing this thing where Samsung there you blu-ray players you put in a DVD it says we're authenticating the DVD we're giving you a digital copy with ultraviolet erm if you want to uh pres it to HD you pay quote a nominal fee nobody knows of that fee 55 it'll be some else no I feel like you know if i get if i get a player that has ultraviolet technology yeah i can put in one of my old DVDs yep and it'll say on this topic you want the blu ray here you are the HD version i'll be another 50 what ifs what if like what if i buy that me that is like that is a columnist right and but i'm saying their problems thus far has been the major players of an apple and amazon and if you don't get apple on amazon nobody cares right because you're not gonna run out they got a mistake out amazon and once you get amazon that means every other so goes Apple I think I but every other retailers gonna run on board is this primarily gonna be movies or is there a chance shows its ultraviolet mean it's Warner Brothers means you don't eat that solves that solves one problem which is like could this when the movies are out I can get them in a digital format could this be a netflix a competitor in a way they don't have rental yet um and they and actually I talked to you somebody who works who works on the what happens if I borrow my friends DVD I think they're just letting it go everybody has no until they're working on I kebab are a bunch of dollar DVDs then pay like 15 bucks and get HD versus those movies I don't know how this is gonna worry but yes this is my DVDs it must be one activation per DVD right you subscribe to netflix yeah they're doing stuff ready doing some uh Peggy like I owe this they're like you five dollars get the HD version they are you want the HD versions good between in the center of the DVD there's like a copter code and also also netflix dvds are like wholesale rental DVDs or not retail DVDs please stop countering my awesome plan with logic I understand what I'm saying okay we I know you want to do not that but but we got razor Fiona oh the gaming thing because like this cut this I'd say why can I see it I want to talk about it can I not saying I was in a meeting Oh massage a job yeah usiness what is it it's a tablet but the genetics on the side it's a core i7 really bizarro gaming PC that isn't a tablet form factor and with joysticks on the side it's a Wii U but it's a PC allegedly designed by the oqo guys as I understand it really yeah Wow God knows that wasn't a total success anyone yeah yeah come on no I'm not well the problem is razor comes out with these insane member lies your reservation array and ever release him it turns out this isn't the final design ways you may just be messing with us haha it's my favorite messing us with us it a really expensive high-end yeah you are there a billionaire troll there's some guy they didn't put a Photoshop up on a wall of their booth they like built the edge off their grandpa's car like Sean running Italy yeah Sean played war hammer on this thing it's got a 10-inch like 1080 x 800 screen if this is it's really crazy and and you know it's fun because it's like you can kind of do the wii u thing hey tell me again yeah okay because there's been two stories or the cs that have been completely over then we have to wrap I know but so you can tell thing until did a demo but this morning last night of ultrabooks gaming directx 11 they faked the demo mmm they played a movie instead of him playing the game right you like drove the car with no hands he's like it's running backs age it's not working screw it hmm i would i would call it the mat press jumped all over intel for faking the demo hmm right for faking that they couldn't do what they said they were going to do and then later on they're like no we just did it because everybody lies during demos and they showed on and shimpi who runs on in tech they showed him the game actually worked what it definitely worked so it's like shocking news demos at CA CS get faked all the others right of course because you don't want to glitch out while you're crazy stuff happens like it's like--there's hikers in the fight you're saying it's it the microsoft keynote they try to show voice control right and it did didn't get it right and that that isn't indicative of every time you do it but when you're on stage there's a bunch of videos and weird stuff going on right come on great that's one like crazy fake outrage story the type of us yes the other one is this ridiculous Samsung swipe it story which has been driving me crazy God but it just didn't it's like no it's like people are library more like Samsung as he described yeah yeah yeah so there is a completely unsourced like random investors blog post saying I got an update to my samsung smart TV with this app called swype it it's a competitor airplay what's called swype it haha samsung huh also at the bottom that he says Apple yeah here's my prediction apples gonna buy samsung totally everybody the mac presley runs i mean literally people people were source on this random dude yes strategy of horse as if he was as if he was the most the most senior reporter at The Wall Street Journal yeah you know like like look at what's happening and apples gonna buy samsung like you know in bold lettering at the top of a page it's a completely insipid I saw a roni that it could came out and corrects no company like we call them we talked to them they're like you know we built this platform to run apps on samsung loves I've been on stuff like a year yeah they want a competition for mega TV apps it's in Samsung's they're like we love that they're promoting but we're not defending it the point is it doesn't have things that are similar to airplay yeah every single company it's been around for a year it's not new it's been on samsung devices really weird yeah there's a issue devices for their airplay competitor doesn't issue sorry does it issue updates on their devices it like you know it's a tuesday night at nine thirty we're gonna issue our airplay competitor has an update to your Smart TV right before I round Yeah right before CES no they come out and say they say you like airplay you're gonna love swipe it but that didn't happen because this story is amazing I've been having all week I mean I published the story of a sir actually actually doing a rip off with with a circuit out yeah yeah you know Ezra cloud is its own thing and it's a service and it has whatever feature that it has but they use a slide that was clearly a direct copy or whatever the late and so for us it was like oh this is a funny thing like they use the same slide we put it up it's been one of our biggest stories and see us because because there's this sort of this circle circle vultures of people who see CES as a vacuum of Apple news and they're just looking for reasons to hate all that one place where or two legitimate rip off that is that is but but some of these I'm there's no serviceable but I'll say we tried good i try to be critical but but i think there's there's a lot of people out there that don't like see us because apples not here right and then they hate the others of it is an apple right begin because it's not apple and because they're not getting their hit of apple news they're ready to just hate on it so no but but but and we said about this little bit last night in I think you know we can wrap up on this point but there's like this real back lash of like all the stuff is derivative and iterative and you know it's no you're not you know changing the game involve lot and it's like things like ultraviolet and the push of ultrabooks and these kind of hybridized ultrabook tablet things and then what Microsoft is talking about which is which I which was what clearly they're talking about is tablets that are you're doing these tablet apps on and then you doc somewhere to become a windows pc you know people I'm not a winning this fan everybody knows that but I am interested in windows hate I think it's a really I think it's really potentially awesome operating system if they do it the right way if they get away from what Windows 7 feels like but but in the windows before but but I think it's I think it's a really unfair you know technology is iterative I think I think it's a difference between being a technology enthusiast and being an apple into right you can be a technology enthusiast and have mostly Apple products because you like them because that they're delivering the best technology yeah or you can just blindly love apple and hate anything that's my thing I think it's like an integrated beautiful coherent cohesive experience is great and I love but you know it's actually really funny is that the most iterative come the company is the most successful being iterative is Apple well right but hit out your own question but their marketing is very different and frankly their products are very very different forms of execution but but the idea that that like the only way the technology advances is through these breakthrough revolutionary moments of utter beauty from Apple is a false now it's a false idea and we know it's a false idea we've seen as a false idea we're sitting in the middle of a I mean I'm not cheer I never falls like yeah I'm not right that's a pretty wrong i'm not writing cheerlead for any company here but we're sitting at the sony you know in the sony area well the Vita's the media limited the Vita is back here no but like something like yeah no data is great we'll push mobile gaming forward in an iterative way not in a we've never seen it before way but this will make apple work harder to make their names like a trick is a haters gonna hate sort of it is that their whole commercial for this should just be that haters gonna hate animation of a dude watch yeah that's it San Evita and that's the end of the commercial that's a freebie so you can at this right we're gonna wrap up that is our podcast for tonight that's our first cash for tonight we'll be back tomorrow night yes from here from here from here yeah and talking about what we saw at CES and if you wanna get in touch with us any number of other things any number of other things like pregnancy and drinking but if you want to get tensions you can email us a podcast at the verge type at all thank you i'm just so out of it ah ok you can leave a comment on the post when he goes up or you can find us on twitter i'm joshua topolsky nila is reckless paul's future paul chris ziegler is z power and of course the site is at four joanna and joanna stern is at joanna stern and the site is at verge and we're ready for any of twitter we're all over twitter the tweets are just added load up twitter.com your phone it's all eyes 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