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hey and welcome to the verge cast from CES 2012 day 22 jos feels like day 50 yeah hi I'm Josh Topolsky I'm Paul Miller knew I yeah and we're back and to talk about the what's been happening in technology and well what's been happening at CES real yeah a technology show and I just want / I want to start by saying we are overlooking the sony booth here on the CES floor in the north hall of the Las Vegas Convention Center and we've been what central oh we're in central I'm sorry we're in central plaza central hall just in case you were gonna go come on um but I just wanted to I want to tell the viewer that this could be potentially a slightly slightly just slightly shorter verge cast because kellie pickler who I'm told was on American Idol at one point is going to rehearse with her band behind us we might get blown out to stage my rock but I I think we can really get a chance to jam out we might get a chance to really enjoy kellie pickler right yeah like I'm I'm prompt to free here here's what I want to know will these mics pick up kellie pickler or can we keep talking over can they handle the amazing power / voice will we be okay / Pickler okay yeah so we may try to battle Pickler we may do that with Pickler by the way this Pickler cool is that ok to come on that yeah and yeah we just get into it because we were topic we actually we have-we I to hear a lot of time 0 topics it is we have topics it was just this is like you know the show's cresting that it's like the show is new I didn't to the news how the news yeah different kind of vibe yeah now it's all about feelings and it's a it's a you you started this and now you got to finish it yeah so you know ride it out you beat the guy within an inch of his life and guess what you got to finish the job pink respond and then you gotta test roster they lose drummer is now juninho his drums uh little flat so sounds a little empty to me a little hollow give you more of a ring we have a we have a special guest we have a guest we do a special guest it's kellie pickler yeah kellie Pickler's joins joanna stern out stir stir now sure to starting sternum stir them who I consider to be the backbone of this operation that's why did they first started which is Friday right oh my god i have you brought us a baby Brock oh my gosh what is going on oh my gosh this is my oh my god brought us a remaining strong or we get out Karen wait you gotta get do that at your turn in arrears happy that ago just happened last night guys you had a macbook air yeah of course imagine wow wow oh my god wow what is going on Wow can i buy that dude again wow this is a stroller from for moms cool and I actually ran into them on the floor today and they were like we love the birds wow I'm a had this stroller and I was like what I need this what I like what I do there's a QR code does that mean if you lose your baby and follow fine I want to have a baby so bad because of this stroller no I think you won't ever be I would have a baby so miss you so you touch Justin Bieber today that's true oh yeah I'm happy to be down and tell us the beaver story yeah by the way that is the most arresting how much how much is this yuppie my way this is not a prick I no idea she was pretty yes no it is not a promotional placement this is yeah and I had a baby it's the macbook air because it's still the best ultrabook and that's obviously what i would have had oh you're such a fangirl Oh Eli doesn't love to do it yeah my god I kill the baby in my baby all right sit down here the macbook air no they promised to protect the child to the entrance yeah well also the baby's in there no baby won't go down it won't go down there's actually a little thing where it has a picture of a baby can you if there's enough weight in there you have your a really skinny baby you're screwed yeah I hackett so it will go down number watering I'm bringing it over won't you sit down here yeah I want you to Elliott tim is your brother cuz you're insane yuppie yeah afternoon no this tell us how fast it's going there's batteries inside yeah we could have a baby Joey and I gave birth to the edges empty everything about having right now shatter ease in this as your charges when the wheels are Caroline I see here no no yes and shouldn't you spend your money on food whoa no you're just mad you're not pregnant I well I mean and I'm like waiting here my clock is ticking yeah no way it's gonna work at a Hagel oh my gosh I was proof completely like rap no guys who think role or not to my microphone is the optimus prime of oh yeah it has the ice cream sandwich update is how much how much is this literally I kind of want to have a baby just to get this yeah how much is good penny cuz pity I've no idea yeah oh yeah so much about this thing I just me trying sure let me catch my nose like I need to bring a sonic I try something that works wow so sorry so you had sorry you had a you both had a serious today that was very special you Etta you met Joseph I can tell us about that tell us all about the baby oh my god I forgot my autograph um this isn't justin bieber okay I'm a frog Never Say Never it's gonna be an awesome podcast is totally it was it like I want a terrific I saw Justin Bieber I also saw dancing robot I have no idea what happens I asked you to tell me what happened like 15 I was so starstruck by dependently or what's going on so Justin Bieber there's been there's been talk all week from this weird it's apparently a Vietnamese socially OC they're making a robot a dancing robot that plays music and they've been talking about how justin bieber is gonna appear here at CES because a lot of celebrity indoors and warm robe oh ok so anyhow so we've been waiting all week to see Justin Bieber because joanna is has a sexual crush on justin bieber and so much sexual it's highly sexual okay and it grosses everyone out and she one time accidentally tweeted from PA and gadget your name Gaza she tweeted from the edge account I accident like I I got your 21st of it was like using is it wrong to think justin bieber is sexy it's actually does it make me a pedophile if I oh yeah yeah it would have been fine i think if the engine account was tweeting is it wrong to think justin bieber say it was one of our most embarrassing and shameful moments i actually thought I cannot believe I live that's why we all had to leave anyhow that's why we all had to go cuz of that message I actually can't believe I was screamed at understandably so you were screamed it might be the first time I really screamed to you you definitely yeah but not the way out but but but today you finally got to touch and see a talk what can your hero but come out of this fugue state and just kind of yeah what happened what time was he to the front I was there for hours with Jordan we went to go fill me George one of her video guys yeah he's amazing we wish my way to the front the PR lady recognized me she said oh the bird she loves the verge Oh what she did this is true my beavers BRB ville no Jesse yeah Bevers Bevers is like you where the creepy gadget reporter who's trying to Hawaii burger the one who tweeted say like yeah and so she was like you can comment like I didn't had no idea this was gonna happen so like within seconds I was then shaking his hand or I don't even know did I touch his hand I don't know what happened I don't know what you told me that you said to him that you loved him no to the billion says what did he see no no no no she says do you love me yeah it's what she said you love me right oh yeah he's like yes okay yes i love you i think he said of course but you said if I love come out of history is that when you black down you know what's interesting before I do I even asking about a robot I asked him what phony had even though the iphone was getting their position I think you see what I be removed and you say what's this your favorite hobbies like I don't know said he doesn't know yeah and then and then he said do you love me and he was like yeah and you were like of course it was real it's worrying about is that you were weird you were weirdly jerky to him like do you love me not like Justin Bieber I love you yeah you like tell me how much you're a fan of life that I love him yeah you're like a mugging hold on me back so we got something for you to commemorate this oh really event it's him yes John we just come out here to got you this photo of you yeah Justin Bieber you gather it's a little pixelated because we took it off of off at a booth of yet but this was that you can hang this there's like a quick print their sessions booth you're like I print this real with there's some stuff here you can hang you could hang it from your above your bed or whatever you want to die and you're gonna know honestly honestly this is Nina needs doing so thank you I don't take credit for it though I did tell her to go get it really no I didn't head here that's for you and I can put it in my stroller yes yeah that's a really weird thing to have it that's it you could you fooled on let's get the stroller yeah we get it we put in the strap Jimmy but can you put Bieber in the stroller yeah this is such a weird confluence I mean it's an awesome stroller but like I think your baby I mean my baby baby is right here I gotta go I'm dying over we we have reached a fever threshold but I cannot don't don't that ruin that it costs six dollars there we go you guys got this happening yeah what's going on are we not filming this all right okay yeah you can just sit here for the rest of it that's cool I I don't know hey I don't sit down I have no I started talking about gadgets no I'm just gonna rock him to sleep I can't I can the robot was really bad the robot will send you do the room there's robot it was a robot nobody cares there was a robot it and Bieber did a very suggestive move with the microphone on the road we yeah I'm rocking him to sleep okay just making sure I'm a natural-born father for Bieber Bieber daddy Bieber day tell me what happened in tech news assigns a value on it please the LA like we're saying the the news breaks are over now it's everybody just talking about in the news I think Josh and I'd we did a panel watching people today have fun today we did good time we had a we had Ryan body from samsung mobile Erin woman from Microsoft drew Bamford from HTC hey by the way how much is this music getting picked up no no not a lot I got it all like wishful baby but if they like break out into like a really sweet guitar so we can turn that up right Yankee we all right all right anyhow but we had um Ryan Biden drew Bamford from HTC and and Aaron woman from Microsoft and we did a super session called argue the future where we talked about what was going on in technology now what was coming we talked a lot about mobile we talked a lot of its three film guys three phone guys but it was a really it was a really good conversation I gave Ryan Biden from Samsung a ton of crap about the commercial they did where they're making fun of Apple you know he told me I asked him about the feel free its galaxy note he was like that that might be an international oh that crunch then crunch Bieber a little bit are you beaver Scottish yeah but imagine anybody Ariel cuz Bieber crunchies okay all right what do you see you were giving himself hi luck screams coughs you know right away all right let's free its Galaxy Note right you're slow again might be changing as it comes to the US Ryan bond was like that's kind of an international slogan does he they could go he knows yeah these like he kind of knows that it's like it doesn't really work in the States I'm sorry I'm so distracted by the fact there's a band trying to stay behind and there they see me playing dire straits yes no yeah it's yes money yeah I mean I think I think there's a pretty good chance which ad can you hear this there's a pretty good try now there's a pretty good chance we're not going to continue the podcast like this yeah and we may have to change location some great bubbles me back to see this has been not great for us for the verge cast it's been we're trying a lot of different things trying new things try new things you're not working out well Oh something were working out well you just go to our hotel rooms in the sky we should yeah what do you think about that I mean that's not they will just play money for nothing I did I would be I would except these little pink wings and money for nothing are you a new stream right now what's going on over there let me look what's happening a stream let's talk to our guys that Chad's off raising no I know you entered a jaws getting into a fistfight with Pickler's manager look I don't even know who this Pickler is kellie pickler she's apparently a d-list american idol he lists why don't know they can't cheer Paul they said hi to me what's up yeah what camera along m.o.e we should keep talking ya know obviously um so promise we can barely hear each other guys talk about the super session okay yeah well done so anyhow we have this great super session oh you know you were giving ryan Biden crap about looks feel free to go freezing the tampon Galaxy Note yeah but I think they'll change me come to say see they know but you know I think was interesting to be like feel free to rock yeah we was HTC and Samsung HTC Samsung line to stop Microsoft you know I I think one of the most accent there he got along but you know drew we pushed him on skins a lot and drew first he said since it's our skin it's an experience that he relents it makes me explain to him that it was a scared uh he was very insistent that HTC believes they're doing something better yeah I mean he said I said I said I said I said you'll skin it because you believe that you can make the big Android a better experience he's AG absolutely but what about when Android becomes a great experience or you go that's what I'm seeing with ice cream soon yeah they don't need they don't need you anymore they do need your t9 dialer and then you can hit the rim that's it like I don't know why people aren't doing but then you know they won't do 2nite dialers anymore on standard phones like apple doesn't do it yeah what do you mean still you start yeah on phones now like on stock phones like a smartphone yeah yeah I don't mess my I need that I'm yeah won't super could be when you go to the phone start typing a number you know or know when your magazine numbers ya like like predictive dialing you know nobody does it really yeah maybe they have to be amazing at t9 texting yeah that's the day their answers oscilla dude that one how much is this being picked up trying yeah I think it's just really distracting I think it's more distracting for us that is it okay that's what they're saying on you so gay are saying the audio is out of sync on ustream I don't know if there's anything but it's cuz we're rocking to hard guys okay it's possible Pickler's bandage uses a lot of bandwidth yeah what they're probably streaming this vertical six jams someone says the HTC Thunderbolt has t9 dialer no no HTC he's saying HTC has it agc puts it in cents which is great but no one else then maybe TouchWiz has it too but I'm saying like on stock OS is from right i mean webos didn't have it yeah android doesn't have it stock and iOS doesn't have it stock right and windows phone doesn't have in stock and I don't know why it's like the dumbest best thing in the world I can't say I've ever wanted a feature phone yeah don't you want to dial people in a hurry I mean no I put everybody my favorites list and what about your car service if it's less than one kind of one percenter do you think I am a car service my government Evan no I use metro line mmm like a crappy Brooklyn cart like laughing like an eight dollar ride somewhere i'm not talking about like a limo everywhere you know I know you mean yeah I know you got your saying no no I know you think I'm so sorry high-class one percenter yeah well I am I am actually in the point five percent I'm more of like an eight percent richest of the rich i'd like to think of myself as like an eight percent ER you're just above the boy boy in the ten just above the poverty line but so what else we have you don't that price of it though you gotta really about that stroller 300 think it's probably like that's not no no no no a nice a nice one of these is like fast like five hundred thousands of thousands at least at least a thousand if not two but my sister really don't have a baby so we find out Michael do it do for moms for mom well you're number four yeah what's this type in robotic somebody started my foremothers I bet it it should be except all about dealing with every guy your mom's by moms all the people I've been dealing with on this or guys for for moms 400 400 moms and then the multiplication symbol mom I think for moms or dads for baby Joey I don't even know what don't do anything didn't nothing else happen to superstition I mean we won't we had a grill Ian conversation I mean I i dropped the S word okay during it it was a totally twice actually not one time I was totally packed yeah it was a packed house there's even people there even people in the overflow room and no it was weak I mean it was a very deep conversation we talked for an hour it was like a podcast with a bunch of different people right it was really good so people should check it out ya know it's gonna be up on the ca yeah thank you he'll be up on the CL put it up tomorrow and we'll put it up on on the verge tomorrow okay oh and its really an and I can I can learn well how can learn what happen I tell her life I didn't get invited the super social well I could only have so many people so it's not super listening Paul's not as cool as drew but good how about we can have a profession you have a great one great great night I 5855 out a great session we interviewed a lot of people today yeah there we have an errand women at her trailer yep yep we had trouble Fiore Jill belfry much microsoft just hazel head all everybody asamblea de los del fiore and wouldn't men who else well I I interviewed I change from right here I chang from light rail yeah which and I i we should watch them about and we're gonna do a post I'm actually been to put something up of like some of our best video and we have so much video content and that Lytro interview is really this has been like a really fun thing at CES to just have people come over and interview that we've never really been able to do before and oh yeah I mean you guys want to talk about electro because we should we should go okay so that two things have I don't know if you've heard of light row but it's a it takes pictures and then you can refocus them it's a light field camera and so you have you can view the photos in 3d you can like do parallax stuff and you can choose your focal point on the on the photo after the fact and that all that stays in there but he described it in a really interesting way that it's kind of like a 3d engine in Reverse where instead of of a 3d rendering engine tracing light bouncing off of objects back to a virtual camera it has all the light coming into the sensor and then it traces it the other direction and it like extrapolates what the scene is basic blue my mind blowing my mind because I've been trying to figure this camera out for a while so that's the hardware right and then they have this like secret software that's yeah yeah over here basically like almost like a rendering engine like does all that compositing it takes all that crazy data that they're getting and then it converts that into what looks like a regular because you can do it on the camera right then you put it on your laptop you can do in there together so the laptop stuff is different really that's like you you don't get the full file when you do the embeds like I'm face you can refocus on that yeah you have the full file is like is like a 16 mix and that's on your computer and that has infinite focus and then yeah embed that you do on Facebook or something three or something yeah like a limited number and they said that you could do a video camera yeah no technical reason why you couldn't do because he said it take it's like a shutter system where it takes a still photo at one time the thing is it's a it's a processing thing as the big thing right right now the camera which if it was shooting a fast sequence it would shoot it like vga right now but what's really exciting something now I mean in a couple years yeah exactly and one of the things they said we had a red camera in the trailer that's kind of been floating around hey Anna you can basically said that would be one of the sensors that could actually work with their technology their as they tried sensors yeah they have a standard CMOS sensor and red has one of the best a 4k CMOS sensor and then they put like a filter in front of it it's a prison to do all it was a really fancy but really feels protected to send all those angled things but then it's received by a regular see mom I mean this is truly it's just truly innovative camera turned on and what what they really need what they really have to have to actually do video is insane like GPUs right to render this stuff in real job so what is that what is the resolution you can do this of still photos now on my trail it's it's not that it's not that I don't measure in resolution oh yeah it's like mega raise your spirits like death rays some weird Chad I don't like you when you smiling that way oh great story and to quickly put off the Micra what is happening so this is chad milan here about to start the broadcast they get the mic up to his face so we went over there i got one over there better when they handed I'm just look like this so we went over there Stockholm today we went over there and we said they were like absolutely we're starting right now all of a sudden this girl comes running up from the back hey yo what's the problem here it's kellie pickler she saves the broadcast yeah my god hey Chloe why you a little it for 20 more minutes so you guys got 20 minutes but you saved us Pickler why the day I'm gonna buy me a couple mom what's our hearts that i'm using Elena she is first and 945 know by time use Sony Music Unlimited oh yeah yeah you're right Sony roti boti 920 yeah let's run that let's let's run in and out I do that okay so we should do we should run up this is a new one I'm saying okay cool so we want we're gonna take a quick break we have this cool interstitial that we did it's kind of behind the scenes look and we reach a break we'll be right back and we have 20 precious minutes here at the 17 / yeah I feel like a like a like a squatter yeah well we basically are squatters anyhow we'll be right back they're gonna turn the water off if we have it under embargo do we need we really really need is like to try to get a hands-on or some live pictures of whatever they're announcing what are they announcing so bring it absolutely time people to see assets our entire team from around the world got people coming in from the Netherlands the UK the west coast New York Japan we should request interviews with people that we think would be significant or interesting to get our hands on because we'll have a set up at the trailer please say a command we have the best technology powering our site things like storystream and the video technology that we're using and our product database we're really good at taking a lot of information making it presentable making it readable and still showing you what's important what really is going to make the coverage great is that we have a staff a big staff of really smart really talented very sharp writers that are putting these stories together that are building narratives out of these stories they can tell the stories better than anyone else in the industry alright we're back kellie Pickler's a new record she's got a new album coming out on genuine 24th and I'm pre ordering it right now right let's get totally to talk about more technology lytro latro when is it coming out and yeah it's art yeah yeah yeah you can pre-order yeah coming out like februari march and review what's the maximum resolution egg erase they don't say mega pommy mega ray it's like kind of looks like you know yeah two or three megapixel so like print out it's meant to be viewed on the internet but I'm saying on the internet that's like a that's like a fold it will generate those quick today give you like that's like a full screen on a 40 90 x 90 yeah yeah printing out a picture that you can refocus i think i think they're letting that one go I'd all been worried if I want to find a picture but no no but you can you find you find the egg you find the focus you like and then print at it exactly you're living in the past the point of this also like you take a lot o my god focus you can refocus you know what they need to do they need to create an accessory that's the Lytro frame yeah Harry tap where you destroy we could look at your stuff we have him on we had them it's a freebie light rope on the verge yeah and before that they were telling me that they're building an entire ecosystem yeah they know that this is a patented technology yeah yeah Susan Rajan I'm invented it last time you saw such a wildly different technology I can't think of its brand it's a brand new kind of you know what's really interesting like this in China this is theoretical in like the 90s yeah yeah so like there was papers published that guy kept on working on it kept on being into it finally started a company the cameras been built over like a few years as an actual company and now it's about to kill American company yeah yeah made in the USA prayin amazing and say he's fan ever yeah you American American company American innovation Chinese money and I think Chinese money Chinese parts I think I think there's no better way I such terrible the channel I'm gonna channel my any inner inner Gary Shapiro right now yeah there's no better place to revitalize the US economy right right here at CES in Las Vegas it's starting right now if you have an idea party right now you have an idea setting right now and publish a paper on it in 50 years 25 years you can make the product no but it's pretty cool I have to admit it's really cool that that that this is a brand new type of camera no one else is doing it and it's a real thing like you hear all the time about you know we play my 4k display saw there like concept cars right now and you see a lot of 70s that's like a concept car this is what we just saw concept car become the car and now we're gonna be able to drive it and that's exciting and I have to say you know people and I know this isn't a CES thing when did they announce it actually what was the first Oh while ago we said sean BTW this a year yeah it's been a while but i think you know people should talk about this last night there's a lot of people like going negative on CS but this is cool i'm glad people come here to talk about stuff like this yeah i don't know i think i'm sure i'm the only guy cheerleading CES well no I mean I think since we're not like talking about hardly is that I was thinking about this hey like are you gonna go home from this show and be like this was the best product we don't have a this is the best product that's a good question actually what's the coolest thing like last year I feel like was the HIV like this is the best pradhan Oh last year didn't last year before we do beatrix would it be like that the rough it was a cool we were like that's a cool idea that could be no one's going to that booth to see that Yannick this year there's no everyone's going to that butta see ya gotta be honest with you we talked to Sanjay Jha and Chris and I is a group of other reporters and he was talking about you know they we actually wrote a post on you guys should read it if you haven't we talked about this yesterday no no I know I don't know no but the but the chrome sure the web he mentioned that like that there was gonna be a web top with chrome and you know I think the idea would be that it's like this like a Chromebook yeah I thought for a second that he was gonna say you know we're announcing later today or something no because I think that would have been like this is a big deal you know if you've got a android phone with a Chromebook when you dock it yeah that would be a big deal I think but he didn't do that right so I guys already know there's there's a quote along those lines um Eric Schmidt today you oh man wrote this up his ship it happened my dear it is so good it just busted ago I mean it's a it was a shitstorm so he basically said I don't know the verbatim banana story he said that she might not survive this transmits good transmission yeah barb did with radio way okay I tell you story so Eric Schmidt's here he's on a panel they're talking about how many projects microsoft has going at once how this is molly wood from CNN saying microphones cross street project to me at once they find it hard to align them to make a cohesive story google has all these projects going at once how are you aligning and avoiding this problem and you basically replied and said well we're a lot different the microsoft microsoft is going through this architectural transition and it might not survive yeah which is that's windows to arm right and that's nuts that is it for google for the chairman of Google to say Microsoft may not survive as a company survive the transition transition it's making over oh yeah it's not even really changes like it's adding an architecture mean it's almost like he didn't fully understand they are also doing still doing Intel windows which is status quo which everybody can go by and everybody will buy on day one you get a windows 8 laptop you find it but I I think there is something there where if if chrome OS was really compelling which it's not and.and you had a visit yet it isn't yet but I do hear a very compelling aspect if you had a phone or tablet right now that you could dock into something and and just be in Chrome OS and it was hot and it was good why don't they just say that's not gonna kill myself overnight but that would be a really compelling about just chrome to android Wi-Fi not happen I think the problem is that with oh well I can tell you that there's no chrome made for arm at this point and by the way can I just show shoot something you're working fine is are the Intel chips are making their x86 right now they're doing android on well i would bet dollars to doughnuts because motorola is partnering with intel on android device I would bet dollars to doughnuts that the reason they're going to do chrome later on it's because they're gonna take whatever Medfield based phone and it could be x86 so there's no harm just blew this wicked there is no chrome are known for linux yes but not for arm okay so they have x86 chrome you've got x86 and phones that's all of a sudden doing a chrome laptop is not to be that's so hard by the way we should probably write a story on this right now if I don't think anybody else's put that because fire that up yeah I mean yeah it's a great theory no I aging fear because unless you know of them working on an ARM version of Chrome which by the way you say just bring chrome to Android the reason they haven't done is because there is no arm crown don't do it are you Betty's gonna be are more crumbs open-source me motorola could just do it right yeah boner l is not gonna put developer resources in there doing you're suggesting motorola won't put developer resources into some insane idea like what time i think i think the developer reason he first saw wet top is a boon to with some modifications and there whatever little ate whatever they're plugging allowing you to see your phone on it you know a little like essentially the iframe for your phone whatever it's a good minute just do something like that in the browser why why do I build it when when intel goes hey by the way we're making x86 chips for android devices that makes it really over bara and that plugs into their home right it's not now it's in the future right now because i said and also i mean they know they talked about how they really were looking down the road it wouldn't tell it's literally what I just said and I know that's what I'm saying I'm agreeing with you it plays in no a minute ago I was like it's on now it's in the future that right but I already said that they weren't doing it right now that they were doing it sunday guys disagreeing no but I think we're having a heat ray future it's not agree minimum but I you know science I that's not that but the answer is where it'll be free with everything that's not agree with you know if this thing needs it needs a smartphone app where i could just tap it you know it leaves the smartphone doc does it have one no i don't think so it should charge i would get the motion by the end of the wheel my gosh ours oh my god it does it does it does what is the charge the mention of the wheels I don't know if it's a dog it's a pouch that's just like a fanny now and that's a USB wow oh wow I think I were just wow wow do you think what's happening there's a board here I don't know this also you know my mom am I going to this for my major I did that Johnson good at sports like the Segway I realize I have I have some sort of Acts manpower Oh like oh I could catch things really well yeah I'm a catcher catch bad as me my new mighty superhero names catch mad to the rescue officer others rescue people who are trying to commit suicide or trying to get on the Bernie John yeah we're trying to throw know what are you okay just to fill you in you spin around what so this insanity is joanna is now simulating a baby by pushing on the seat so that a picture of a baby shows up is it coming up there it is there it is there it is maybe cake baby stroller anyway I got quick it back yet I know hello arm she was very kind to give us and you're blowing it with this stuff well you could we put him down yes although I did pre on her album so I I shouldn't feel bad I don't know what I was thrown are you made any money oh look laughing you know one dollar and ten cents out of that I dudes gonna get cut her so much conditional oh there was actually one big story a lot that not at CES today what's that no it's the google doing these google+ search results in search this is a huge story yeah and i think mostly texture said about it is distracted from it because we're here that's why they started doing it like they'll never notice but i think it's actually a key a big deal because explain the problem so Google it's hot I don't know if it's a problem can you explain this situation listen yes a scenario lessons wheres and the scenario xem soon ah sad area that's just a bunny call that's acid area prolly met Snooki last night Jeff I Lee did meet Snooki lastly I have to say can I just say the one thing we have Joe I'm getting kindness yeah we have joined the one thing you know technology is hey the level of Chris are you okay it's everything all right here it's just wanna keep talking that you know you know that in time you know that you know that technology is moving further into the mainstream because I think you're seeing an exponential rise in weird celebrity celebrities appearing as yes it's normally you get one or two lady gaga last year this year I mean I guess stuck he's not really a celebrity is she want to throw money in celebrity yeah yeah no but I think you're seeing more and more of that definitely you know not really David Caruso is here is this a member with yeah you know that David hung out with him yeah wired cuz he was going on g4 like the seconds review a new website he was investing in summer yeah not make money I guess they've always had so uh no I want to say this Joe flatly on our team bunny flatly has been experiencing an entirely different CS he's been going no don't go don't don't tell me we should have much just you'll know why soon it's all just just on the direct email of the Snooki last night yeah he didn't he did say what I made love to you he did say he didn't say Howard how would you take me if I'm s really used to be a family friendly yes which I respond yes to which I responded I think it's just be family friendly to you google google made love to stinky last just like they do go ahead in search results Google is now directly integrating Google+ so you see google+ results on the sidebar and anywhere in results where you go to youtube or any other Google product those results now show Google+ links directly use other than like when I see the little plus like Oh so-and-so plus this yeah this is in search their core product the monopoly like and Twitter was pretty pissed twitter is super mad about it you know it's getting really socked for them is when Microsoft gets to fifty percent with being being just passed yahoo it's the thirty percent being is Yahoo is powered by days like we're totally recur still you know who is powered by somebody else Alvin was powered by Google yeah maybe one yahoo at own search engine yeah everyone else got its own searching my google what any well how to search search engine haha words all right go ahead no so there's been a lot of talk about this yeah twitter is really mad I mean this is google taking the big monopoly right search and using it to directly promote their competitor to facebook and twitter which is nowhere near Menaul and Twitter and Facebook are very upset facebook is so far said very little twitter is I think we react yeah twitter is raging I think this is like and everything how do we know their Twitter issued a statement I got pretty vitriolic statement Google responded saying well Twitter and just open up and let us search everything on Twitter would be great but that doesn't work for Twitter right i mean for twitter to just become another source of data for google kind of ruins their model i think you you're right because twitter wants its revenue to be a search waiting yes you i think the issue with google is looks like Yelp for what it's more the more you move in seem a little hypocritical yet the more you move into well that's a good point too but that's another story it's all bad it's waiting on wait wait if you search for something in twitter right are you gonna find google results no no no no but yeah open up the Twitter service wow these are searching twitter right i know i know and we go when you're searching google what google results would you find well know exactly you wouldn't but when you're searching google and and twitter isn't as open as and google would like for searching those results but twitter if your twitter you don't want the primary method of control the people come to you from to be your competitor right that's weird for twitter all right also globalist and use all these companies but if your google+ you would want that but it but here's the deal the prom for google is they've done from being this kind of plumbing the search service nutritious power which is powered by ads so it's kind of like there's a sense of neutrality there I to trying to provide the same they're trying to provide the same services whether it's a social network y lr humor microblogging service yeah I'm going to be detrimental to Twitter to open up their search well that data because if you could if you could search all that data you could mine in the same way the Twitter wants to mine it and sell it back to people to take the money because because if they're going to be profitable is likely going to be through some scheme where they sell their it wouldn't get on traffic to this I'm not seeing I'm not saying they don't need try and trap traffic's not the problem yet people they need money right and in order to do that they need to have something that is valuable and what's valuable is their data and if you give the data to Google it looses what I'm saying it's not just twitter if I guess oh yelp right it's every service that collects data from users right segregated oh wait yeah but Yelp is also has also didn't they file suit yeah that's right so okay so here's the thing yes I understand no it's different but they're there I'm sorry no I'm so she said they are Yelp it's different but in the sense that that the same problem exists which is google has a service that emulates or replicates we don't know what yelps uber it's a consumer service it's not the Plumbing's not search and they're basically mining yelps data to power their data which does the same thing that Yelp does so it's kind of like stealing it's exactly so what they're showing that Google I'm not saying Google is a saint here but Google is obviously its whole thing you know we think of it as the plumbing of the Internet has been you know mining other things and making a centralized place where you can find all the other things right ah if there's been an emerging model and people have talked about the lot where some people's whole internet is facebook they do all their stuff all inside the face down when they have the majority that is already a Twitter and operator isn't like that with what Twitter does have a certain thing where it's trying to keep people inside but especially if you look at facebook at Google wanting to compete with Facebook any service like Twitter or Facebook that's really hard to index and Google candidate leverage fully that's that's scary for google and so it makes sense that Google would promote its own thing or doesn't in sizes which results and I don't think I this is Google's Microsoft moment this is the moment where they take their big monopoly and they say oh my God we're siffredi big monopoly we're afraid of the next wave of services will use the gig monopoly honestly I agreed if your premise that's why that what I'm saying is everything they've done around it this looks like Microsoft no but but but what's the parallel there I mean your Microsoft had the big monopoly in Windows they saw the web I saw an emerging platform right browsers that would take the share away from oh you're saying is he put out IE and I did bundled IE and they said we're gonna kill Netscape right and you know what they did they killed nuts yeah they've dudes that company is gone right if aided away because Microsoft killed it well and they because they were worried and you know what they were right I mean Microsoft was a hundred percent wrong and Google's I'm picking up where Netscape left off right and now they're began bikers off yeah well this is you know you become what you despise that's there's always you live you die as a hero or to be Microsoft doctor died here well you become microsoft behind these things but I think that this is a dilemma when a company gets what like when do you stop growing right right and when do you decide I've we've accomplished the things that we mean to accomplish I don't think you're never sure that as a couple but if you're if you're if you're also if your google I mean does it seem like they made there was a definitive sense that we needed to be in X Y or Z I feel like they've been doing things trying things out this is another one of those things where they go I think they're very seriously well I think the race I think they're very serious about it they've been so slow facebook facebook is taking so they're eating their lunch facebook is taking their bread and butter which is which is it's becoming the place you land on and go where's blah blah blah and you find it on face I think of what Facebook is doing like like and also the way integrates with being well is is that they want you to instead of searching google for the good thing they want you to say you know what are my friends recommend for music for movies for four restaurants or barbershop like they want your friends recommendations you know obviously yep does that in a different way but but they want to mind that social data and make google little less relevant and I think they're also worried about their other services like Facebook keeps trying to get into messaging they keep trying to get in till these other services which Google's like have that ecosystem of right yeah photos all that stuff Chad's giving us I a right now where I think the big point here is not the google shouldn't try to do these things not you know if you're gonna run the dominant search engine on the internet you should make search better I think algorithmic search like what's have a computer figure it out is slowly being augmented and even replaced by social like recommendation and Google should get into that but the way they're doing it with this is so tone-deaf and like varies it's so Microsoft in the night it's just it's a bully it's a bullying so total believe they're being a bully and and Microsoft is a lot of bully tactics and you know I think it's come back to haunt them i do think that that there is a kind of karma wheel in technology that aren't works you know yeah man i don't believe in karma my new i I've heard of I've never heard the term karma wheel well it's you know cyclical you know yeah and I think that it is good today thanks accelerated I know what you did today I got a guy got a gun og og because you killed who was waiting in line to get a Justin Bieber agra autograph hello boy I didn't Bieber got a 16 year old girl up Justin Bieber otter girl yeah didn't she cry through girl crying cried and she cried with her why was it crying I'm pretty good I can't think of so many ice you can juiciest just to get the out of there I thought it's so weird so so I thank you i was saying is that i think that um that's me good i think that in the tech world the being a bully can come back to haunt you quickly you know i think it took I think it's taking a little bit longer with Microsoft cuz they were so he's such a huge bully but i think they reap the rebate a little bit what they've sown with what something is that google's are under scrutiny and europe about search and how to promote search and whether or not the algorithm is really the thing they've been you know that they need to open source are out there some way that random congressmen are like you know the calling for antitrust investigation of google here this is just fuel to the fire you know this is like there's sparks I've isn't it and Google's like you're some guess I think I think it's an unsustainable situation that Google has pure dominance in search and I don't know how you deal with that my thought is though a government search engine provided by the US government and it's just a gray just it's just a great in with a cursor yeah and the results are I don't know what their where the results will come from anybody will be you have to have it it'll be the default search on every browser I'll never lie computer public service employees who will file newly yeah no no this is how we can ignite jobs in America we could hire people to add things we can hire able to add no listen it's not socially now hire people by the way it's so the opposite I have government employing everyone thought social thanks it's not everyone I've to say to the state controlling the means of production and the meson Fornaio I only produce links i upgrade any of them so i hope that every does that I being facetious now I hope that everybody knows that I mean facetious about this but let me disappoint me search can I just can I just roll with my idea big gray blank page and then we'll hire move Stoke jobs in America by hiring people to find things on the web and add them to the database as long as human-powered how do they find government regulated they just type random URLs and it would have to have an awesome nice Jesse jazzy uh it would have to have a really awesome name like search gov huh I got I like it I certain as long as you're still guitar riffs in America I don't know any completely free breathe easy yeah by the way my god I wish I excited about this this red and black out if you heard about this reddit ready guys are going everything so the blackout yeah so the black Irish of a blackout soundly in the foyer pictures of kitties where am I gonna sign Miami girls they're just good I mean kara swisher is not blacking out they're going down this right well what is the plan what's the reddit things yeah I blacking out and some day to protest sofa yeah they're shutting shutting down rented from 8am to 8pm not long enough yeah did you go full 24 hours why don't they do 24 hours you know it's just weird about that they really wired 20 money is right about the lost revenue yeah the SAT just gotten a support OBO they probably I'm sure we'll put they didn't I any media companies my throat's all the big meeting all the big oh hell yeah like what pretentious josh is in a rodeo rodeo rap we gotta wrap this up all right we gotta wrap up in Forks leesburg howdy that's what sharpies I really want this this like be a screaming guitar solos you wrap up and now it's your side so there's two can you owner of a lonely heart no they're not gonna play huh oh my god oh it certainly are never lonely heart that be amazing anyhow we should which camera look at this guy here we should wrap up unfortunately but luckily there wasn't that much news today so it's like sweet child of mine is gonna be playing Israel but we'll be back tomorrow night with more you believe we're hot licks find a place that doesn't have our playing music tomorrow night here I don't know help it somebody here Sonia but if you want to get touch with us you can email some podcasts at the verge calm you can leave comment on the post when it goes up you can find us on twitter i'm joshua topolsky joanna stern is joanna stern eli is reckless Paul's future Paul and the verge sports at kellie pickler 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