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Hey and welcome to the verge cast for the week of October 8th 2012 I'm Josh Topolsky I'm Neha Patel and we have a very special guest with us five by 5's dan benjamin hey how are you doing hanging out good how are you stop I came to New York and I had to come you're in New York I am in New York and now you're on the verge cast I'm on the verge cast where else I wouldn't be in New York I can think of several great places to be in number Melissa's right here well that's that's very nice if you did lie about coming a little preview that guy Dan of course is a is a well-known and well-loved well-known and somewhat most well-known internet personality yeah your personality beyond the internet that would you say that's true to some degree friends and family you know if you only are in our feel that you are as some kind of personality or like you know one thing about then is no personality off the internet now I think if you if you hear my shows if you know me on the internet that's what I'm yeah that's I'm like off there now you're you're based in Austin now Austin Texas you weren't always in Austin no we don't need to even I want to talk about it we don't have you were in Florida you don't want to talk about it he doesn't mute when he cautiously I never okay cuz I heard it still in the mic well I think you heard I'm just saying it's not personality you know Larry I'm used to the headset and we got this ear thing but it sorry 27 I like the pr3 I'd like to say that Dan has been in the trebles way there's a fine he's a fine man from what I'm told why they ain't he's been complaining I would say almost non-stop since he got the lights are too bright they're very young seem to be so bright in here nobody wants to see I hear he's when he ready yeah there was a microphone wasn't adjusted to the right height he's asked me if I'm gonna shave for the show for about two and half hours and he complained about your cough not muting your comment look we do think a little differently all right no it's stylist do you like it New York style which is raw and real real this Ariel deal do you feel I'm ready the school take me to school I'm ready to go - I'm ready - coated by the way this is the verge Castro discussion where we discuss the week in consumer technology technology culture culture culture and and damn Benjamin's complaint list this is great already I said it's you say 50 of FI the urge cast 5-0 out give us a round of applause I was literally just doing a clap of like you dig all have no idea what I'm doing yeah yeah this is our major 50th episode I think you can tell we prepared we're very excited about it 50 episodes deep and you know I feel like we're just getting started yeah just right now dan how many episodes have you done of your of your my show you use multiple show yeah we've got a lot of shows what about what your what do you consider to be your main show you know that's a really good question there the the show some right now are really personality based right so we've got a handful of different shows that are I guess I guess each one of them appeals to kind of a slightly different audience with some overlap so we don't have right now a main show that I could sell listeners it's the main show again why don't you say what would you say is your my least favorite you know what would you say it's your what's the show that's most raw that's most out there Oh to work with me Merlin Mann for yeah yeah you met Merlin I've not met him yeah what was a good chef you listen to the show no I don't know to any course a podcast my what now what would you say is the defining characteristic of that show Merlin Mann would be the defining he's the that's it yeah we're helping people it's been such it's a show about helping what is the show can you just tell me helping people in what way so you don't have like an aunt like a con camera light so I have to look over here at this at this TV yeah to know which cameras actually see another of their flippin turns you need to address the audience is that you guys are trolling it I'm just saying yeah it's called the troll cast do you want to address the audience is that what you're trying to do you know when you when you go to this one this one right here you want to talk to the people there they're laughing and they see they like you they like that you look at the camera when you're doing the intro sometimes yeah I try I vacillate between looking at the camera when I'm addressing the Aussie but they pay attention where you're looking and they switch it for you they know they'll be well they have a camera that's alright on me you see that that's my that's the J th - JJ h - very funny I mean it's nothing anyhow we we should talk about some news you know you've got topics for us what do you what do you have I do well so Eric Schmidt how's the brett has the bright yeah it's on the caffeine Schmidt Schmidt who is at this point now become he's created the Schmidt just a character within the industry he's created a total Schmidt story based on his comments yesterday at the Y yeah 90 92nd Street Y here in New York no that's where he was I'm not getting that up so first of all he just opened the door he said Apple should have kept our maps they're clearly better and they even speaking on behalf of Google at this point I mean he's like a cartoon character I had like another conversation character and the person to be meeting with just was just referring to Schmidt who was Schmidt was here I can't tell you how do we know what happened it's in a well I don't think Neal I would lie anyway so then he also said there's a gang of four that consists of Facebook Amazon Apple and Google yeah notably not including Microsoft right he said we're all different were all competitors are all making enormous investments he said Microsoft is a deliberate commission from the list and said it although it's a well-run company they have not brought out any state of the art program they have not brought any state of the art products to market and that's which at this point to say that about Microsoft is you could say it about the past right no you'd have to ignore Xbox I mean but you could say sure but but they're on the cusp of redefining - well two enormous platforms attempting to redefine but they're they are going to redefine did he mean in for all time or just like recently just before I think he's talking about the four movers in the industry now yeah Apple Amazon Facebook Google and there's microphone I'm saying and Huawei and I think what he's this is a Denis Eze it's deliberate omission yeah what he's conveniently forgetting to note is it sure you might argue that Windows is a bit of a staid product right the Microsoft is about to redefine Windows well which is an enormous move I mean I think this is a PR move on his part I think he's trying to downplay the look everybody's in a battle right now there's this like battle of press releases yeah we're you know we're ending we're about to end October here with like a flurry of it's gonna be Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 and now there's this rumors about iPad Mini and Google is gonna do a new Nexus device and everybody is like trying to to to suck up the air right they're trying to like how can I make people forget about these other products I feel like this is Google just going like I mean they know Microsoft is about to have a big one he's tweaking my crystal I just feel like yeah you know it's also like they're very competitive they're not competitive in mobile devices with Microsoft but they're you know desperately trying to take the office market away from from Microsoft doing that and Microsoft is running ads for Bing right now yeah Google Bing what is it called Bing Bing this out Bing Bing time to being bring it up no it's like being something's like that's Bing it on Oh big it on it's like it was like being in place of a regular word you know this is this is this is their chance to sort of grandstand a little bit and it's like they can finally come out and say finally Microsoft isn't in the club anymore is there no I mean Microsoft is is has been so dominant in PCs now everybody's like relishing this opportunity to go like they're not where we are yeah right like this is we're here and they're here and that's you know hey cool PC market right like cuz that's what they're saying right like you own 95 percent of the thing that's dying yeah you know it's like you're the it's like you're a dinosaur and when I'm a space alien yeah it doesn't make sense because most people that make sense to you when I do say no no you're a dinosaur you're a dinosaur makes sense and I'm a predator and then you can say whatever else and Yoram you're like a rat and you're gonna like survive the Ice Age who's the rat you caught me right I do is write your own Google's a rat yeah it's like Apple is a cockroach yeah Google's our rat my guys are big all over the planet and about to be wiped out yeah the problem for coming July 2013 I'm just saying the problem for Google and that metaphor and the problem for Eric Schmidt to say they haven't brought any innovative products to market yeah Schmidt's problem is most people get to Google through a web browser on a Windows PC but it doesn't matter because the wet because the they know that they that the thing in the browser is more important than the browser or more important than the thing that the browser is that true the thing inside if I handed you a Chromebook yes and would you just use it I mean if I had your book or a piece of paper your choice was a Chromebook in like that Lenovo that orange Lenovo PC that you've you know talking about the orange yeah deep in the u3 yeah well you can't buy the orange one anymore yeah they're like out there out there anyhow going what's your fight to ask you to pick one which one you pick you'd pick the Lenovo you would pick the Windows PC why are you answering for me gives a chance to answer the questions you don't know what's in my mind I know what's in your mind I would pick al it up and that's like that's still a problem for Google they have not reached the point the point where their software beyond what's good enough yeah but I understand that but you know look you've got Android is extremely strong and mobile and Apple is extremely strong in mobile tablets smartphones he said Ice Age they're gonna be more smartphone owners than then computer owners pretty soon or there already are I don't know what is I don't think there are at this point anyhow but the point is he's looking at where are we strong where are we going to continue to be strong and where are they weak and where can we hit them I mean I feel like I feel like this is I'm not saying that what he's saying isn't necessarily true I mean well I think he's being willfully he's willfully ignoring the Windows 8 thing that's about to hell yes but I also think he's attempting to from from was trying to derail in a no he's trying to derail it he's trying to like downplay the impact like this is just more of the same the same thing that happens whenever there's gonna be a big Apple announcement or something like that and you get you know Amazon Kindle roll something out right before it's the same thing he'd they're DS trying to take the attention away from that well there is a lot of that that's the kind of the thing we're doing trying to suck the air out of the rooms I think your own news or whatever right but but it's also more like a he's trunk it's like one of those planting the seeds of you know that's not that big of a deal like yeah we don't care like we're not worried about you know attention at the end of the day like Windows 8 is like I'm kind of like look you they're gonna release Windows 8 now devices the tablet market is is you know everybody's trying to battle for it there's no sign that then Microsoft will do better than yeah and then Android has in the tablet space no sign at all as far as I can tell me are you more likely to buy a No you know Windows RT device or a surface then a you know presuming that like so you don't wait a minute you don't you don't think that people that are already entrenched in Windows are gonna say well there's a Windows Device I don't want that Android nonsense and I don't like Apple well the window device is I mean the way my understanding is that the Windows Pro devices am the ones that are like actual windows x86 right those are gonna be like priced more like towards laptop pricing like yeah right yeah like eight hundred nine hundred thousand they're a match for those and then and then and then the if the other ones are coming at the tablet range yeah they still do some window stuff but not really they do like office mm-hmm and you can't make apps for that they don't want people making applications for the desktop environment they only want them making them for metro yeah so I mean the question is like is that a better bigger proposition like are people more excited about that than they are about an Android tablet it's a fair question I don't know yeah I don't know there's all like how well has the zoom sold yeah it's a $500 $600 Android tablet but you know the only thing that managed to sell is a $200 Android tablet yeah the Kindle Fire and I think some Nexus Evans yeah I don't think they're selling a bunch of anything else but the thing is that it's only like in this past week the Google put out like guidelines for making good tablet apps and it's only remember sorry go ahead no but I'm sure read that anything from the Chad these guys have pretty good comments in there Oh God don't you know this is now that you've acknowledged them that's all what are these you see in there that you thought was a stroll pass and he's got a tiny little fun but my more complaints complainer by the way so took for me to notice we know what I'm saying is Google never solved they never gave anybody remember this is the guy who said that like oh he's made a number of crazies these will be Google TV's by like summer 2012 and you know what is it like Android Tyler Android tablet statement that was completely you know like I think Schmidt's deal and we keep referring to his Schmidt I would just like to thank him for that that present a gift Schmidt's Schmidt's strength is that good strength strength is like oh so we're doing like the sequel convention is like he's like the Batman movie where they're just getting a new name yeah Schmidt strength is that he he is he says crazy things and nobody holds him like accountable for them yeah yeah I think that's why he's not like in a real operational role Google right yeah like you could say Eric you can say whatever you want just you can't actually like be in a role where and yeah right CEO and then immediately he's like we're good we'll be on well I'll be living on Mars for the next year because he might say that yeah you know anyhow no I mean I just Google never gave anybody reason about a tablet they never did I never said xo7 the Nexus 7 runs phone app please stop and say hey down has landscape you please stop dissing look they'll figure it out to find look it's a fine product in its brightest price point you know but unfortunately the iPad Mini is coming yeah or the iPad Air's as some people are calling it yeah which is where did that name come from no I haven't heard that one yeah Gruber used it the other day iPad air iPad air he said it all like nonchalantly like the time that wall Mossberg was like the iPhone 3G that Apple's about to introduce the news on Twitter is like it was a guess um those are they're gonna call it yeah I don't think they're gonna call it iPad air I mean it just seems like a what's your what's your vote on this what do you think you had to put your money on it I think it's iPad Mini Mini I mean it just seems like a heir is like it's the regular thing only smaller iPad sinner I never know I don't know I honestly maybe mini I guess they could call it air I just think it's weird to refer to that product as air and then you're like ultra-thin one right is what you're not that's not the air yeah like you I guess what I'm saying is when they released the third iPad the new iPad they really were like look how thin it is yeah it's like so thin it's thinner than a phone right right thinner than the iPhone not the new iPhone with the previous eye the f-4s now it's like you introduced one that's will this be thinner than that yeah you think it will oh yeah no I think it will be thinner than the current iPad what if it's as thin as an iPod Touch no and I support that I don't think they'll call it the air but yeah I don't know it'll be really fit yeah I think thinness is like every and also I'm not that yeah thank you Tom we know they didn't hear that well we ain't heard it go on I mean the Nexus 7 is like whatever the Kindle Fire is like they made a small cheap thing he's like whatever is nice David but no it's not you don't buy a nexus 7 because like oh this has great apps you buy a nexus 7 because it's cheap it's a web browser I guess or you like Android you want a tablet right yeah no but that's why I about an exercise yeah I didn't my great-great gmail experience great calendar exam all Android stuff great you know I read I read on it a Kindle great Kindle experience great Kindle app it is a good Kindle app but me it's fine what do you want that's what I enjoy it those are the read right you know but Microsoft may have a nexus 7 right I do usually I thoroughly enjoy one exercise I go through yeah - you're not you can't we're not fair yeah you give that we have a what is your progression every day where I comes out a lot of people come up to me and and said you know I got this Nexus 7 I don't I don't use it they come on you on the street on the street lemme side and the like walking through near and Delana Bay they'll be like 10 this nexus7 I usually said it was pretty good but I don't you know what and I the people that I know have talked to it do they all have iPads some of them have iPads some of them do not because I go through a progression every day I come home and I read email on my phone yeah and I get frustrated with that and then you switch to the Nexus 7 because it has a really good impression with that yeah because I get something real done you go to its invariably there are links and an email like webpages and things I need to look at and then I go to the iPad okay and then I need to respond to the email yes yeah and then I go to the laptop to me every night deal with it I feel that both the the Nexus 7 and the iPad or whenever I have to like I kind of now have skipped the step that you're talking about where I'm like I got to deal with this I got a look at this yeah I'm just like well to me it's like I don't want to yeah here we are I'm working how do we get on the topic of tablets he's Mike what basically is David About Schmidt Schmidt state what Google what he's saying and I think what Google would love to say is the future is mobile and we have a clever sir but but they in one they have a claim in one space on the phone also established also in in the on the web but that the but nothing the percentage of mobile search that goes through Google is all right 90 because of the phone yeah they lost 100 million maps customers in one day yeah like it's it's because of these family or do they make do they make a bunch of even better maps customers think about it yeah I hear what you're saying but that's just doing that for me when they put that app out we'll see but but they don't have a claim when they put that app out it'll be like they have a claim blessing totally sucks it'll be like the number one happen I'm saying they have a claim to phones they have not really established that claim to tablet yeah ok and I think all of you know but I'm super eager I think that Microsoft actually proves and you know we had this what is it the acer is acer convert not convertible but like hybrid of 5 sin things the windows 8 there I think if anything what that woke me up to was you know you feel like Oh tablets we stopped there yeah that's like we're stopping there you know that maybe like a small off-ramp - like a small town yeah but like I'm not sure that's the only one stop on the innovation what's happened know we have this it's kind of like long-running conversation about gadgets and like smart the smartphone is a gadget it's kind of like it's run its run a very fast race and now now we kind of know it's mark now it's coughing and wheezing right but you know like the age of like slider QWERTY keyboards and like flipping phones like we've settled on basically this right well it's how many slide-out QWERTY phones droid for check it out no I refuse I will not check out the droid for your last market but I think that the PC and the tablet because of Windows 8 I think we're gonna see an enormous flurry of form factor well that that's the to me like I feel like the look I see people on planes all the time with those laptop docks yeah you know what for their iPad yeah where you're typing with I feel like we're not anywhere near what we think is they actually the best use for I mean I think I will say this you know like oh they're making that the like the service of 16:9 right I think that's a weird screen like I don't think you want to hold this screen in your hands what is this a 13 no it's a 15 well you definitely want to hold but uh but like an 11 inch macbook air screen yeah would be awkward I think even now we're kind of like hey you know what's weird to hold in your hands as a 10 inch screen yeah I think that's like why people are like even talking about 7 inch tablets it depends is a very comfortable form factor I think that was the first thing I noticed about the Nexus 7 when I got it was that it it's super easy to hold this it's the perfect format it you can you can take this thing with you and sometimes I'll be there saying I don't know if I want to take the iPad it's a little bulky with this you chuck the single bit and I think that's and that's that's a beauty I think it's part of the reason there's the 7-inch the 7-inch thing is happening and I was doing it all so I'm sure they're gonna be like my guess is 249 yeah whatever price point they're gonna have they're gonna they're gonna do 49 to 40 really is really like a forget about it yeah sorry who's and who's not gonna buy that yeah poor people I mean mainly no in the context of this she'll listen to this show everybody's gonna go buy some people for some sort of political reason yeah but you know they'll probably do thing where it's like look it's the same size as a kindle fire but we've used a smaller bezels right a larger screen or saying you know whatever kind of fancy stuff that they'll do but I think that um they're saying in the Jackals in the chat room there's no way they're gonna do it last shackle 300 what they're saying people they were gonna sell the iPad for $1,000 yeah and they did it for 500 I think they're looking for another like blow your mind price point yeah I think they have to be on this and does how does then you keep holding this up what thing I you know the importance of then is it's a decision between they're not gonna price it lower than this never problem we've been arguing about I think like having these conversations and I've kind of come around to the idea that like I in my mind I'm like but then it would be the same price but it's like where's does that matter because you're not gonna go like well I want a tablet but maybe I'll just buy this rince you're saying it's not an either/or you're not since it's eight inches for now they're gonna make a decision eight inches versus four inches they don't do the same thing now you don't slide them into your front pocket right you know one is like you throw in your bag one is you put in your pocket I would I would say the major cost center of this thing is this play by the way it's great it's keeping that little bracelet thing on that thing has like the brand-new insell touch Retina display and that is the the best display Apple can make right is it the same exact the same exact way as the phone it's a that thing is great everyone knows to love the strap no but the smaller iPad will have a much cheaper display right it's gonna have yeah 1024 768 so that's a good reason oh that's a great point it's not going to be retina we know that why di beyond that nobody 168 same as never that's not gonna be random so that's that's the thing you want you want super portable and you on retina get the iPod yeah any of you just wants I think it's a cheap thing the cheap thing yeah if you want to render that it doesn't make cheap things well okay let's talk about this do you see anything no no that's cool yeah it finally is happy yeah I know I don't know if he's happy I'm sorry so what is this thing here see iPod nano so he's in banana it's a piece not a piece I mean it's really nice you're upsetting it's not a watch anymore I'm upset because it's it's such it's got a clock I do see that's so it's this is the best iPod for audio listeners or video listeners guys I'm perplexed we don't we don't you know we don't think if we don't split our listeners like whether we give them all as listeners okay because here we can't we send they can't see okay you just roll with it alright cool but here's my thing is I would describe what's odd to me about this is that yeah I thought that the the square form factor was very successful and popular and people were really into the idea that they gotta wear it as a watch and a super miniature and a touchscreen a lot of companies based their there here's our beautiful video of it what is the reason you know again like with the for I know I know the ones are green here I know the answer to watch kwazii's no no it's not sold on the plane if they are I pity them I am a hundred percent confident the reason they change this thing every two years it's a city ground is two nets on the playground it's to juice sales this thing is a trifle you buy for a hundred fifty bucks you throw in a stocking you say I bought you the new iPod Nano if you may change the way it looks it's new I mean this is the same argument that we've making with the iPhone I mean everybody's getting a mint green but if you think about the things they took out of that dodge from two years ago this video man our videos are really nice this makes me want to buy one yeah this is the Apple should I are you guys to make these but so here's my thing about it and I review this we're talking yes we're talking about our views of these things and every say Gwaine but so we reviewed the touch Dave interview that and the touch is like it's expensive it's $300 but it's also clearly a spectacular product right it's super thin it's beautiful it comes in these colors it has the same display as a video I would say I've talking about it ever top I mean if I if look if I if I had an Android phone I wanted to play with with iOS the iPod Touch is the placed mm-hmm right it is a great product it's just a little bit expensive this thing is like the Nano is a product from two or three years ago it's not it's not the thing that people want what kind of numbers do they do on these things how many of these declines every year and that's always half the sales like that's the touch yeah the iPod numbers of decline every quarter yeah and the iPod Touch is generally half the sales so this isn't this is a there are things I really like about the touch and there are things that I don't like about the touch like the new touch there's a little too much going on in the back of it there's a camera there's antennae you've got the camera and flash and everything feels it then you get the logo and then you can see a little bit of it the headphone can I just feel like I wished some of this I mean obviously you can't move the camera if you take out the strap that little button is like how do you do this you just pull it off I don't think it's supposed to pop up man yeah it's awesome it's done it's you know it's popped up there you oh that's cool like it's like a little apple design flourished it's like cool right but it's awesome we're only days away from stories of these being snapped off I mean if you definitely could it's like one that we first came out and people kept on throwing the remotes through their three TVs and windows yeah you trying to break it no you're just seeing how much it takes I mean if I was would they be a problem I do we have to bail this back but no this is nice what colors that come in Oh God green green red black yellow yellow black white white white silver silver what color would you get black it looks awesome black I feel like I would get yellow it's another one of those colors that it's like the Nokia phones I think I get the pink in the middle it's pink and I think they do a red one but it's like the HTC phones where they look one look as a set yeah thank you anyhow okay we're just I don't know we're talking about now so I won't talk about this for one second okay cuz I gave this a very great review but a fair review yeah because you know the thing about the Nano to me is that the the equation for Apple is not just iPod it's always iPod plus iTunes mm-hmm and this is like an extension of iTunes this is made a lot of your intro is actually really funny in the review where you're just kind of like it's all about reason AAC yeah that's we do but like you know what you know what I don't do anymore I don't use iTunes so when I I went home to review this I had to boot up iTunes and like plug into it and see what files were in my iTunes and it's like oh I stopped listening to music in this way three years ago I feel like you did that because you're an iPhone owner and I what do you think the percentage of people who buy one of these no but so the problem is not this that's what I'm saying the problem is is the iPhone this is the promise iTunes mmm that Apple's model for distributing music to the world right and then putting it on this thing is completely backward yeah but it's backwards in like five years right now it's extremely profitable I mean I hear what you're saying I use REO and Spotify and I want to just have a subscription service and we've talked about this like like there's a lot of people who still use nine Tunes no I mean that's the thing the majority of people are like they're seriously pre-ordering the new Britney Spears record right now right and they're like cannot wait because that available to download I think so no I don't think so but I know she's doing one but like they cannot wait to download the mp3s yeah AAA sees you know we're I think we happen to be in a what are you okay what are you listening to on your on your iPhone my iPhone I mean I listen to Spotify and then I have like my library and then like I don't you know like I enjoy where does your library come from but I get we say it's files yeah I understand my tunes right no no cloud yeah I mean Spotify streams you the files yeah but you see yeah I'm testing but is VIPRE now that's it's oh it's up there on that yeah see I'm old-fashioned I use iti use the heck out this is a right here you go regular user it's a kind of it that's what I'm saying is that regular people know how much music you know not a ton of it might buy an album every week or two you do that much that's an extraordinary man that's a lot of music that's like that's like you're spending you know do the math I don't know 40 bucks a month possible times 12 as possible what is that forty times twelve anybody maybe it's less than that 480 it's a bad habit like that much money you know I'm music it's much less no I know but here's this variable here's the things a month I mean what maybe I don't exist I know you Spotify but the point is this sometimes you don't have an internet connection you don't want you can sync your devices you can download it on yeah I'll have an iPod why and I'll why because I you know it's small check in your pocket you don't want a device you want to use anything if you offline a little bit you've seen one of these right yeah these are designed to go in your pocket no I have it in my pocket right though the phone I mean I having a phone in my poverty of the five yes you like it it's great have you used the maps I don't like the maps you need yo nice caffeine this is by the way our office every morning comes in and everyone has compared PTSD look at worries about scoffs can I tell you I like the scuffing yeah that's cool I think if this is what happens when you look Kenny gonna get a shot of this looking at a beautiful look at a beautiful I can see that like a camera okay god no but I mean it's got it you want it to have a little character yeah you know it's like leather is not cool until it looks like beat up that's why I applied when I buy I love a jacket burnt burn CDs anymore for portable listening burn what burn a CD what B so you remember this nothing data there's a listen there's a lot of people and they're their mo is they buy the music they download it they make it a mixtape essentially as you guys might you may remember oh yeah and that's a CD and they put in a listen to that in their car and they get a whole little book of them what you do is you take the CD player you get a cassette player yeah those are my in my Honda's there are a lot of people that you love me too yeah and my Honda so what year was your so I think it was a late late 80s I had a 99 yeah which I loved yeah Mike one which my mother let me tell you a quick story story let's hear it which is similar but my mother stole it I know my mother my air condition was broken I went home to visit my parents and my air conditioning was broken my mother was very very hot summer yeah and she was very upset she was like we have a guy who does because they had a Honda just like we have a guy who fixes Honda's like leave it here we'll take it to him we'll get the air conditioning fixed so you know we want to do this for you and I fought with her I was like I don't need the air conditioning it's not a big deal whatever and I and finally she wore me down and my friend Nick was like look just let her just let her keep through things you'll want to do this for you I think it'll make her very happy let her fix the car for you you know it's a small thing you can take a you know ride with me back to wherever you're working I don't know you know to New York I guess and so I was like fine I left the car there and then like two days later a landscape or backed his like rig into into my car totaled it nice and that was it my car was gone your mom did a nice thing for you then yeah was wonderful she convinced me to a guy yeah I inherited my sister's 94 accord this is I like this is brown and brown brown so we caught like a off the lot like it was older or that like a brief parents my parents like you know she was the the oldest child any but you know she was the a plus student yeah it's a good the good she was the good one no she's impossible to live up to and they were like your you know we want to get you a car anything you want and she picked a brown four-door Accord weird because she was brown vegetables you know I color that they won't pull you over no matter how fast you go yeah but she we both she wants to universe reality which is a bad neighborhood in Chicago and the car got broken into so many times that by the time I inherited it the area where the Styria would go was just a blank space and we just had like in it yeah and I would just tell you could amazing car had a button on the shifter that was labeled sport mode about this I think I think in the in the and I don't know when this was but I think in the in the late 90s early aughts Honda's were the the most broken into because you could disassemble one of those and have the parts sold in like now is that right yeah I'm pretty sure I just bought somebody else's put it right in there all right we should move on from whatever it is that we're supposed to be talking is what people tuned in for to your show this is 149 you know how much they saw the iPod Touch for 199 the other but that's ago that's the Delta between but I'm saying if you're buying this you should spend the 50 bucks and buy the touch it's the same storage the same features you want to sync it and play files you ever let the guys in the booth and talk Mike I can't hear them Michael's like dying to time people that Brian they're part of your crew they're the team in the air oh I just realized Dan brought you brought your Hattie is your she's my producer producer back in there and she was like making a crazy face and thumbs up in just a second yeah but but I realized Hattie is a real name I accused her of having a fake tan it's a real name but I just realized that there's a character on the show Parenthood named Hattie that's a Georgian that's short for something yes it is not her you have a real name what's your real name no that's our holy you use the medicine or license I think I think how do you vote for something did you ask your parents can you mic here can you put her on the Micah Micah no there's a mic right there yep John is shaking his head you just like to apologize to the listeners for The Verge casts existing you know we tried we thought we could do it the right way and this is the best I gotta say some listeners guesses and what how do you might say it stand for why can't they get a microwave a charge carrier table yeah that's rude Henry yeah Ray Charles wanna be one of these O's loved artists of our reach I have an album that I bought a night to use a single great Charles out to DS you think oh okay that is a fake name that is like Maddie but you messed up the first letter like we wrote in him but they thought it was an H so I guess that's her name how do you deal with these later why don't you have a nice headsets III I prefer this because I think the headsets are gross looking that will no I monitor really well and we do we've actually done we've done something like broadcasts where we don't use this either we don't use these either we use the lab now which I actually prefer I prefer to have as a mic Oh Hattie as a mine yeah it's Hattie is really her how do you give a middle name yes what is it and that's not a real name that's that's that's short for something okay thank you Annie yeah patty had that's a great note we agree anyhow so alrighty you're from you are you work with Dan down in Austin yes I do we should let her out here I don't know it's fine we're something as a visible person here I'm sure our chat room is now freaking out because it's a new show but we've had women on the show and they always freak out they always freak out it's a little weird it was how you get ratings yeah now how do you why did you when it don't work how do you ready to start working with it you know it's common enough about two months ago okay and and does he complain how much does he complain in Austin about what see you all the time they're cracking up these guys are fun and many people I don't miss a party in there and so he complains a lot would you sale in 60 70 percent I'm er its complaining not really babies I be honest to be honest be honest but you don't have do people in the in your studio who come in occasionally and you mostly do people remote most of the gifts that we have on the shows are remote people we bring in with Skype and but you know we're in there and sometimes we let other but it's like you like for the people who are like this is a really you've got this great space out there but this actual recording room is quite yeah quite your cozy we are thank you like ours is also quite cozy we are we don't have these awful like we are move light so we are moving to a new announce this publicly yet I guess I haven't but I 1500 time to do it man it's our fiftieth show I might as well tell everybody more shows for now but nobody cares it's because it's like they're not gonna be there like you can just come in well they don't come in by the way we've had some unannounced visitors we prefer that you didn't stop by and unannounced no we're moving to we have a new office in Midtown that we're moving to hopefully in January sounds great with a brand new studio we're actually on two floors of a building so we'll have a big floor for editorial and sales and development everybody's gonna be in one place downstairs yeah and then downstairs we're gonna have a big new studio with very we just weak finalize some of the we actually met with contractors today was very excited very cool yeah it's it's cool and yeah I will do a tour and stuff for people and what the video is or a video tour not like you're gonna have people work so we're sort of what could even be described as a topic right now yeah that I don't know what's happening I frankly am a little upset and confused alright well at some point you guys asked that I need to leave yeah you have to leave alright yeah is this well since you brought it up maybe now's the time now what I know these lights are bothering though they're great I know they're too bright for you what else you got on here anything good about what do you have oh you reversed you you reverse your trackpad yeah cuz I'm a normal human being oh you use the reverse try just try to grow with it man okay Dan and us let's see if we get anything out of the wrestle any personal topics right I'm just saying personal any-any China you want to share it talk no man I'm just happy to be here any or any guests you have coming up that we should know about when are you coming on the show Josh when when are you inviting me I've invited you yeah I was on your show I know but the new one how many times can I come on you can come on every week when would you like me to be on every Friday noon every Friday at dude and what kind of money can i what kind of compensation can I expect for that I would think it would be a great way to promote your shows you'd be wrong I don't want I don't want your audience you don't know actually what I don't want is your nice clean normal audience audience you know when a kid goes to any tech news today the I says you know what I think you know what you know what you know you don't involve any of these great people you get work and man goes to they go to juvy and they learn how to like blow up a car in juvy that's like that's like what'll happen if the bad streets even 5x5 listeners come over to the vert they'll be like yeah they like DDoS your deck trust will happen trust me there's a lot of overlap I think maybe well I mean you get these you get these great people in the chat you love I like how you're so excited about all the other people that are not on the show like what's wrong with us Dan by the way on cue they should ease through me 920's to film it's good idea we have like two more topics that's it yeah what about it was a Ross gonna come on I feel by don't I don't want to send listen thanks very much thank you for coming really fun a wonderful new surprise I just found out I was well on my way over here that you were gonna be joining us and I didn't know I was gonna and I and I think my exact words were you know what the yeah this how did this get them out of there again here this is it now this is an outrage yeah but we'll bleep that in post yeah well I apologize for being here all of a sudden you're like real nice yeah all of a sudden now I'm not how you do now I'm leaving and Benjamin's how to do a podcast look they're saying they're saying please go and the other guy says don't come well welcome to our chat room yeah what you should write a book how to do a podcast I just gave you a free idea no I react five by five thought TV such after-dark / 75 where I discuss such a book wow really seriously that's a URL yeah committed to memory you're like I already have a new podcast about this book yes that I haven't written yeah that is right how many shows you have personally or total in the network both how do you how many do I do do you know you're on the mic on the mic six mic I think personally six or seven total total is like 20 on 18 or 22 and we're always adding stuff tweed stuff changing it up five by five that TV thing what do you think what do you think will be the next show you add I don't want to give it up I don't give it away can you just tell us right now no can you give me an idea of what it would be don't take that off I'm not taking it off you mean I do hang on today's gonna be more about like celebrity celebrity culture it'll be celebrity culture it'll be a show about you know Hollywood celebrity and you know other than multi-millionaire what if you're written to France French celebrities and French celebrities will be more later you're know now what are you gonna put your planning new shows yes absolutely yeah what does we win weeks very very soon well I suppose shows that I want to tune in tune in to any shows okay do you listen to any podcast other than this one I'm gonna say yes I'm gonna say this is be right up this would be this would be right up your alley do I listen to other podcasts yeah do you listen to anything did you listen to the interview that I did with you on the pipeline do we have a number an episode here do we know what number I was on when I applied they haven't that they're googling I uh I use I think was a late one it wasn't a like in the evening and it was late at night what do they finally did it you finally we're on the took forever the story behind that I have very busy that's awesome check it out that is weird that does this I mean you look like weight held on can't hear the guy teabag it was a number 30 33 30 33 is that was Michael 33 Michael's been waiting yeah that Mike this whole time come here to get these guys in the mind 33 is a mystical number that's the secret number on the Rolling Rock bottles 33 is the age that it's an important age I think can anybody tell me the mystical meanings of the number 33 in the China while we figure out what the mystical mean I would love to come back and and be great to have had II everyone okay Michael room right now so you hear this guy's you're gonna set this up quite figure it out alright know your people are meeting his people no promises the president we lose or I gotta be on Jimmy Fallon now alright guys I'll talk to you later thank you thank you pan real troll late rolled his way right off it right off the set Ross now that he's out of earshot I'd never liked that guy as Tara really didn't care for him I didn't care for him on the internet and I liked him even less in person yeah now he's great Dan that was very nice to join us very nice of him to join us indeed and frankly nice of us to allow him to join us when you think about it Ross okay Ross Miller's getting in here for the final 15 minutes yeah how long how long we been doing this 55 minutes what time do you have 555 I'm a minute off yeah that's not that worrying no it's fine for an old watch I do anybody Ross Miller can I can we talk we address something just for a second I want you to yes I'm using natural scrolling I want you to be over it I want to take a Vision Quest with me get a shot of raw we get a shot a rock okay now just imagine for a second that he's very pale and that this is a shear it won't take this years and sure that that's his flash underneath there just imagine I just think about it I wish I could we do said let the record be sure that you're thinking of me v del v elements Leeloo Dallas outfit team like you you're like I'm just a name drop a few characters from Fifth Element like it's no biggie you you don't know that's fine is actually a pretty bad movie can we all be pretty great movie it's actually it's like a real what year was fifth album made like 1998 is from the future there's no time 1997 it is defined our generation and for years to come it will define a generation of of sad people wearing sheer shirts and stripes on it's awesome yes 97 I would actually say that was more of a Freddy Krueger flesh flesh flashy Krueger yeah so like if pretty crew use the flesh of his victims say a movie and I'll tell you a year was that hmm maybe it's a mad 99 it's a mad mad mad mad world in 1968 oh sure wait 67 that's probably the first was 69 is actually thing it's 68 but I know it's actually 63 okay fine when was failsafe release oh you haven't seen failsafe to you okay but they all save is based on a book I believe called failsafe which is the same thing that dr. Strangelove is based on okay but it's like a serious version kind of of it it's really good I think and we think it was released in 1958 I could be wrong could be 59 this is my thing is 50 64 No well do the same range you know what the important thing is we all learned about a new film failsafe no it is a great movie though and you should see it who's the star of that Jack Lemmon Walter fat I don't think so really Frank Overton Walter Matthau Henry Fonda damn Jack Lemmon in there are you leaving all right it's great meeting you that's Haddie ask your parents about the name because I think it's a real it's a real problem all right these I don't think that a good idea all right really do you can slam it yeah there's one more thing to talk about yes and it's a topic of did we talk about every week the nexus oh yes big rumors are the next yeah I see rumors a truly disappoint me the rumors are that LG's making the next Nexus phone yep or a Nexus phone there's pictures all over the place they don't know a shot but there are there are pictures of a phone which looks on the front on the face kind of like a Galaxy Nexus on the back it looks like a disco Barbie or something and don't mind the weird pattern on the back what I mind is everything else about the phone I think the shape of it is ugly it looks like it's using cheap plastic garbage yeah I I actually hope this is not I hope this is like a device but not the device like if this is the flagship like if this is the best that Google if this is Google's a game like by doing this device like come on guys I thought you're part of an interesting point actually on Twitter you mentioned data it says with Google a on the look yeah raining that's not what the Nexus phones do so so the the original g1 so he pointed out to me says with Google on them yep but that was before they even had this concept of like of Android phones as like these flagship phones you know do you want to wipe that down that was actually a Olivia and wiped it down for me so it should be good to go this is not dance earpiece as far as I can tell the phrase Olivia wiped it down for me doesn't sound washing the studio man polite I'm gonna I'm just gonna risk it um you know this is the last time you see this ear well you know where did we say hey remember that verge gust was the last time you saw Ross is here it's just hanging out but this would be van good right after the right after the verb yeah I was saying yeah we just went through this with the iPhone yes you you know that's like hearing Apple fanboy say it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't it and then it was it I don't if Apple can't hold it down I don't think LG can oh well let me offer something if let me oh you're showing me let me just well actually first let me just suggest to you yeah here's the thing nobody's checking out LG's production lines and no he's checking out Samsung's production lines and the scrutiny is there's no not in anywhere near the scrutiny that Apple has on their products like you know so I feel like there's so it's possible to keep a secret in some ways maybe even easier than Apple because there isn't this intense all right green oh wait may I finish no by the way is the vice presidential debate on tonight o'clock Eastern oh my god oh my god yeah oh my god yeah oh my god anyhow I was just thinking of what it would look like in my mind's eye my brain page no they're gonna be saying something and it's gonna be crazy okay the other thing is that that it is possible this is one of we've heard there were gonna be multiple devices I'm not trying to like be an apologist because like this very well could be the Nexus phone but I do think the with Google thing is interesting it's one of two one of two things makes this factoid interesting one it's either for some for some reason Google is changing the way it addresses these phones as like a product like with Google versus Google as a nexus this is a Nexus phone and it's with Google that to me is highly suggested that there will be other with Google phones that will be didn't do this once before the whole with Google Google experience go yeah it was when I first launched it okay right so that was fine but nothing this is what I mean it also says not for sale and giant letters on it they could change the branding I know but this is well but it's odd though with Google will be on there at all so my feeling is like it could mean that they're changing if this is the next as they're changing the way the Nexus program works right or alternately this is not the Nexus but those two things are possible what is that that's the front they mean there are pictures now of it next to an iPhone but you think here's why these things out there and it's running jelly bean and doesn't the I is there so much room on the sides of the icons in the dock can anybody tell me does that seem odd to you I'm gonna area yours maybe you should have one more icon in there know how many icons were there five yes it's like that's the same yeah the screens right bigger no but that's what I'm saying isn't that odd if you're making the Nexus phone was it have like well when you'd be like well jelly beans gonna be perfect oh there we go that looks weird to me something's weird about the screens water it's is it you're saying it's wider than this yeah why I mean why would it be wider than this can you LG get this Square fun can anybody tell me why this it's a it's a phone who knows which to me switching to me now I mean like great job on switching I'm just saying LG does what it is why would you want to make it wider than this god this looks actually kind of small in my head doesn't have a big head give me your give me that iPod Touch yup my iPhone give me your iPhone can I get key unlock this it broke down and perfect like I'm just like standing here like oh I turn this off here yeah that's fine that's not gonna be quite the same here I'm gonna be that person in the picture yeah see these these don't look crazy different to me they totally do a little bit one looks skinny that is not in focus hold that by your head yeah don't make me do hey do you want to do it with this thing now I'm over this it doesn't matter who cares you know what guys it's not about what's on the outside except it is no you're look you're looking at the with Google logo and I'm looking at an lg phone that's running stock jelly bean so what anything could run saw jelly bean but here's the thing nothing does he's know anything about this is the phone why would they keep the exact same basic design language as the Galaxy Nexus like why would they make they like had glue in the photo year your dad LG that made a phone that look like Samsung's phone you're asking why LG made something that looks like Samsung I don't think LG's that look they have the optimus 4x or whatever it's called the four acts HD or whatever then the stupid name of the product is but it looks like it's actually like a pretty nice looking phone it's a square but it they're saying this is based on the the Optimus G or whatever it is like there's two reasons well I give it an honest F google has been designing these phones for however long and they all look like that right no no looks like that they're both Samsung products who said they have to look all look the same like a cheap piece of plastic sure but like Google's drive well there are even as Google's driving businesses if your argument is that LG's driving the design LG - I don't think this phone is like hideously ugly that the Galaxy Nexus when it came out when it came out yeah this was this was a much classier thinner variation on like the plastic he Android phone sure I actually thought like and I went back a look to my review I say like it's like one of the nicest phones on the market and it was at the time and it was nicer than most of the other Android phones they were out there and it is it was really thin and whatever you know but like this to me is like so iterative of the other like you know it's so I mean I don't these two things I don't don't make me here I want to answer a question really about why you thinks calling you know what can't make can't keep a secret I got an email someone's giving you an forget it you know everyone when Apple makes a phone they know what factors to look at you know who's making the hardware rankle makes the next device we're all assuming it's LG from one point at what point did eligible it's always Fox one factor everyone but like what point did we start assuming LG was the Nexus device maker the next round this is just no we heard this rumor has been around well the Wall Street Journal actually reported like in of course you know this report I don't know how true or not or not it is but they reported there were going to be multiple Nexus devices multiple phones yeah and I in a couple of tablets yeah my hope is that this is one of multiple are there side shots now yeah pain like that's what I'm saying this out this device is out this is like total control bleak they never have and I don't know why I was like sure whatever but here's I don't know and this is not a Nexus LG has so much marketing potential for this phone now because everyone assumed it was yeah it's I mean it's so boring its yeah it's so boring like it's so so boring what do you expect the next next is going to be I don't know I saw a bunch of really beautiful Windows Phone devices introduced the HTC in the new Lumia is that I would like oh one of the 1x yes the 1x is better-looking in this phone yeah and also like I'd rather have something made of polycarbonate than these like cheap pieces of plastic to run together well it's also like a Devon you know or whatever yeah I mean whatever notes its Sparkle by the way at the back is glass would be really funny yeah like all things considered like oh cool you the glass back is everybody loved those on the iPhone they never broke and sparkly it's made of sparkles be cool if it lit up maybe lights up yeah yeah you know this looks like this looks like a club bathroom yes yes it's exactly what it looks like it looks like one of those weird like it like a karaoke place it's like a weird light wall or something it's like that material we should make it out of that AAA game officially not brought yeah well alright any other topics that's it that's it really I mean you want to we can keep hanging out no was there anything we miss any big stuff no what about what about oh the note to you I actually think is kind of an interesting device I think okay hear me out yeah if it was not running this custom Samsung software mm-hmm and you know there were like just apps that really took advantage of it like paper they took advantage of a device with a stylus so there's like paper for Android right for like a 5 inch phone what is it 5.5 inches or something it's enormous yeah yeah and it's like you don't think about it that sounds like a phone or you're not using it like a phone you know you're like this is my you know I'm using it with a Bluetooth headset or you know it's my in-between kind of I don't know I think it something cool about the stylus like that not for like using the device that's the old stylus yeah idea but for doing things with the stylus like drawing or editing something or writing this is what I went through when I reviewed the Note 10.1 yeah well that was it that's a that was like not a good device no but it's that shift the contextual shift between using the stylus and then using the device with your finger is like a need a stylus but this stylus does both it says no it's an improved stylus and improved a screen stylus combat look there's a somebody nice may use this man your Smee it's a smash bag but I'd say that so try to tell you your reference or do people know what we're talking you know actually talk to someone who like knows their Atlantic comedy group who made something oh that's not a real thing yeah turquoise cheap yeah yeah what the sets is the joke yeah it's all joke Oh Flint flossing it's I've lost all excited about it yeah I thought like Maggie was a thing well know it can be whatever you want with the treatment you get the concept of a smash bang fusion is insane yeah girl oh my god and that's the verge cash for the week of October 8th 2012 there's one thing we could have talked about we bring up now we're talking about it well we ran as it's magnet I think been ran a really interesting report this week on cloud clout and the thing is like basically we were trying to think of headlines for this and all I could come up with is like the apocalypse is here everyone hates this thing but it's going to happen whether or not you want it to happen yeah and I it's your claim it must be greater than 35 to read this yeah but there are like people like companies who will only interview candidates for jobs who have a certain clouds well I think what's motorcycle II because I think what's most amazing about cloud is they have yet to accurately Dem straight that the Klout score is has any has any like I think that my cloud scoring kim kardashian's are like relatively close yeah can you find out I think that I'm like 76 and she's like 79 or something which is like I understand we're in different professions but if you're just going by the score number which most people you you're higher like 83 but yeah where did you see that I just remembered I was I don't think I'm a your cloud stalking I'm not your cloud sake we ran there for the night is anybody hold my clouds chorus Michael just look at who could get my Klout score fastest yeah so I'm a 78 and then you're an 83 what's Kim Kardashian can I do this yeah today is the day that Josh made me look up Kim Kardashian oh yeah cuz you never look up Kim Kardashian anything 8888 Kanye West's 92 okay so whatever so you're saying I'm not 84 I just want to be clear folks from a cloud perspective I'm within nine points of Kanye West and I'm and I'm very boarded by five points away from Kim Kardashian yeah I mean I think that I rest my case the show's over I'm leaving goodbye verge I'll see you I'll see you it Hollywood where I'll be wearing a diamond robe yeah by the way anything I can give Kim Kardashian plus K do not give her plus K on celebrities photography and money oh yeah another option money give her a plus K on like a vandalism you do that give you a makeup I have no idea how to use this service I can't believe I and I are in such a rarefied space another Yeezy as I like to call him in casual conversation good friend of mine I don't even know great collaborator I'm closing this window and great at Twitter you know he deleted a lot of his tweets recently really you look at Twitter meltdown alright that's the verge cast for this week I know but this Klout article is really good and you guys should read it but I was gonna say is like there's no there's no scientific data or any data whatsoever that I can that I know of that says like clout does now look I'm not saying that maybe it does have it maybe there is like a real meaning to that number no but I think any service that puts me in Kanye West and spitting distances their sulfate something he's got horribly right with the world and I'm very excited about it they're all asking about the car we should tell them what's going out the car the car that were giving oh my god yeah oh yeah we have a winner we have a winner we have a winner now and and we we were gonna do an announce post I think we're planning for tomorrow we hope so yeah we're gonna do now is post we have a winner a person won the car who made a gift and it is an awesome gift I don't want to wear not gonna say here are we know I'm not gonna tell you what do a post amar Michaels like shaking his head like furiously now Michaels just trying to get on the mic it yeah you just right to get up on the mic you really want to what I can't hear you I wait you're trying to say something I have nothing to say that's how you've what you sound like you just sound like Buffalo Bill the serial killer from from is that his name Buffalo pollution no no no take the mic away from him take that mic away listen Dan Dan Benjamin wonders why we don't allow them access to their bus have some rush right here I can feel animals animals in there in any cage where they should be it's the verge cats for this week if you'd like to get in touch with us you can email us at Virg cast at the verge calm you can leave a comment on the post when it goes up or you can contact us a contact us on Twitter the verge is at Virg I'm Josh Topolsky Joshua Topolsky sorry I'm Joshua Topolsky on Twitter neela is reckless yep Ross is oh no Roscoe Dan is Dan Benjamin Dan is Dan Benjamin he's not a standing member of The Verge team but he is on Twitter Michael Shane is Michael B Shane that's his real middle initial front I understand um and I think that's it we'll be back next week of course and until then you know I I hope that you enjoy a safe and secure weekend in your homes Paul