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hey and welcome to the verge cast of the week of February 18th 2013 I'm Josh Topolsky I'm Nilay Patel yeah Ross are you are you anyone's Ross is not with us we just have a frozen Ross Miller Ross Miller would have been with us today but he died tragically five minutes ago he died a terrible his bandwidth died as a human he's fine anyhow this is the verge cast we're doing to hang out because this week has been insane and we're all incredibly busy and oh here's Ross is joining us now Ross's back he claims to be back no didn't Ross get a new apartment recently oh I'm actually no I first I have not number two I'm in South Georgia right now oh that would explain why your bandwidth is so terrible the South yes I apologize to all of our southern listeners or viewers for where you live can you oh we're not on yet no no isn't like where the South we obviously they can't stream it right yeah yeah I have no idea what's great so anyway this is the verge cast where we discuss the vici technology culture and what a week by the way it's been in technology culture really pretty monumental and and by the way not over yet in fact I'm working on a story right now for tomorrow which I'm not going to talk about in detail but I will say that it is a very special story that you won't find anywhere else and I'm very excited about it it's about giving birth yeah your tweet a c-section I did it I'm going to go to tweet live I'm gonna buy the c-section oh god that's 18 hours of six 18 hours of six I mean that would be that would be something like why don't we where is the feature-length film done in six second installment yeah here we Storify a vine I know Adam Goldberg is doing these little bits but I'm saying like let's actually film the scenes as you would in an entire film but just let them out you know distribute them in six second chunks yeah anyhow this is not what we're here to talk about all right Ross what is a what are the one of the topics of the day you you're the list holder here what do we have to discuss well we will have a special guest later talk about some of the big events of today you're boring everybody fairly late station for about last night's ps4 okay you guys did it and you did a live thing afterwards which I really enjoyed and by the way you both live so you and Chris Grant look so sharp yes we both had green dress shirts on we're very worried about that green that was the thing last night great green plaid I outside of the ps4 so I were there I was there that was cool I went David Pierce and Paul Janos there was a party I have to say really like mismanaged chaotic event right so that's weird I think they I think they realize that ever happens I was it's very strange for Sony in New York to like throw something together that that felt that just chaotic so like there are literally like journalists like lining up for like hours outside in the cold like they had bouncers who I didn't think realize it wasn't like a concert it was at a concert venue so bouncers like shoving people like you can't come in yet like we're professionals where where was it it was at Paris the hammer the hammer really above where we do on the verge it was it the Hammerstein Ballroom yeah yeah and we were you know people outside it was chaos and I'm like how was the visit venue can have concerts at it that are like well run all the time with hundreds of people going in and like Sony can't figure it out anyway so they started and it was very obvious immediately that they were trying to get a jump on Microsoft ahead of e3 because Microsoft's obviously gonna show a new Xbox this year Sony is you know behind in the race a little bit but III so even a ways off I feel like they're compelled by something that they know it's the rumors are that Microsoft is gonna announce something right that that's like the kind of like I feel like there's this floating idea right now that everybody seems to be sort of winking and nudging about that nobody really is confirmed yet or can get a good confirmation of that Microsoft is inevitably going to do something before e3 right and I think the sense is that Microsoft is also more ready right their console will be finished in some way so but there's also the other thing no silly remember to and if we want to figure out who the audience was for this like he talked 11 architecture it feels like a developer focused kind of event yeah right if the Game Developers Conference where they really have to hype people's like building base making games so that was a weird thing so they you know if you saw the coverage on I'm sure he did they went on for two hours two hours and 15 minutes I was long it felt like it was never going to end I'm he was so it was so long that I just like at one point just email and stuff and then he went back and they were still talking like so they opened with like Ross saying they open with the architecture you know it's a souped-up PC you know they're gonna use an x86 you know processes come on this is a big change few change the money they were making basically custom guts before ice and now they've gone completely in the opposite direction and they're basically saying we're taking off-the-shelf stuff we're gonna you know have a car I think there's something to do a custom GPU right is that right I mean it's gonna be custom ish right they're gonna they're gonna go AMD AMD is gonna make them AMD parts and make something custom I will say this about it there's been a lot of talk about that let's just like pause there for a second yeah there's no talk about that I actually feel like this is kind of a positive for the industry where you know if I'm a developer and even maybe this is an upgradable I don't know the system maybe the you think you can swap out a graphics card in the future you know swap out a GPU you know because they could do that in this situation and and I think it's kind of amazing that I don't have to if I'm a developer I don't have to think like I'm gonna code for xbox pc and sony now it's like I'm just like x86 is where I'm headed essentially you know there are obviously major issues you know you gotta still port stuff but it sounded to me like one of their goals here is making the port a much easier process so to me it's kind of like opens the floodgates for what developers can do in terms of designing these titles and trying to get you know great-looking and great playing stuff on every platform right so that I mean I think that's true except for Nintendo the ps3 was a pretty much more honestly difficult platform to develop for because it was so customs you know they brought out mark Cerny who's our ahead of like system architecture and he's famous on the game the polygon guys were really excited about it he was there and he's spent a lot of time talking about how they don't need to do the Cell processor with like blast rendering or whatever the hell it does and how they can use these commodity parts to to make a better experience but like at that moment Sony had immediately lost the plot right because they hadn't they were already into the guts of developer stuff with this presentation they were very far away from how will the ps4 be awesome for you the gamer right and then they tried to get back there but they they didn't ever do it you know they showed off a bunch of like in-game stuff some of which we've seen so should watch dogs but we saw that at e3 yeah they showed I think there was another they showed another trailer and somebody from our staff like I am to me to be like just so you know this trailer is a year old it was that it was the square annex 1 the square Enix month up and then what actually looked and that was that game look to the worst so I started off at this high point of like look at how amazing we can do with all these new tools and this developer stuff and then when they started bringing out the games the graphics actually in my opinion got progressively worse yeah I stuff got old or not I I agree I think there was this kind of cheerleading about you know developers in that you know this is gonna be you know an easy platform for you to work on it's gonna be really powerful we have the power of the cloud so I actually think just edit a if we just back up for a sec you know what they announced was anywhere I think you were kind of getting into this but let's like do the high level stuff right they announced that a new consoles coming it's gonna be called the PlayStation 4 the ps4 it's going to have a completely redesigned UI it's gonna be very powerful based on x86 architecture there are a number of cloud-based advances that they're making that I think are kind of fascinating one of them is games that you can play while you're downloading them with you so my understanding is basically they're taking the Gaikai technology which they bought which is streaming technology game streaming technology and they're saying like we're basically gonna stream this thing while you download in the background I mean that's my impression they also they also said that you could you know is try before you buy which is Gaikai again which isn't it kind of crazy to think about like you know when you wanted to try something before you're still downloading like a multi gig yeah yeah the other thing is and I think that's gonna lead to a lot of impulse purchase I mean I know for me like it's good well I think it'll cut both ways right but then they also said that the Vita you'll be able to play ps4 games on your Vita yes right you know just kind of in a way is like do I even bother introducing a console why not just update the software on the ps3 if that if the Vita can play the games I think naming the game I mean you know obviously I'm saying it's but you could conceivably do the same thing on a ps3 with a new controller right right so anyhow but I mean that was very interesting so they the cloud is a big part they mentioned social networks they basically said you're gonna use Facebook or Twitter or whatever to be your the way you connect with I mean they intimated that they were would be moving away from this siloed we're managing a social network more into were you than Facebook to Facebook can you stream are there two big social network partners yeah and there and they're doing stuff with like being able to stream your games to friends and yeah the controller has a share button on it yeah they they actually want you as you're playing with a controller in your hand to push the button that says share and either I think it's always recording the last 15 minutes of what you do so you know always just like send that and that bumps it out to you stream is out of the idea yeah so that's actually really cool I mean they they show this weird game that using the Move controller that was kind of like a you playing with puppets okay that's not a game molecule that's whatever it is I mean it probably will develop into something that is is some type of game probably it's a guy's LittleBigPlanet so that it's pretty close like what they always do and I think but I think that what's interesting about that is they were kind of putting on this performance and I think you can see some really cool stuff that could happen in the future when you've got all this power all this processing power and live processing power and you're able to do something like put on a performance like that using avatars and stream it live I mean I think there's a whole new world of weird crazy that they're gonna get into with that which I really love and so so any hi and then they they announce a bunch of titles for the ps4 and they showed gameplay from with these titles you know they showed some early gameplay they should live gameplay there no they only showed live gameplay twice they should kills for Killzone yeah and watch dogs watch dogs yeah I think more than twice then are you sure ok well at any rate kills down and watch dogs to the most graphically intense games that I've ever seen you know you were there now I was watching on the livestream was there any lag during those games uh when they switched so that these you know these demos are highly produced so what we saw as gameplay was like bracketed by big full motion video sequences but they but they weren't but those weren't those were not pre-rendered those were in-game we yeah it's hard to know so there was a thing I think that's what they were saying that was like a lag there was one moment of like very distinct lag I think it was during Killzone when it switched from video to the guy actually controlling with a controller ok and there was like a stutter that I think everybody in the theater noticed but might not have been apparent on the watch was it but was it it wasn't like a continuous thing it was just like a glitch kind of lag yeah I mean it didn't look it all looked great I think me when I when I took away from from these games was they all look amazing right particularly I think Killzone when they there was a sequence with an African explosion or there's like dust in the air and they had this like incredible depth of field and all this refraction and like that's clearly no console to do that now then there are other parts where it was like this looks like a slightly more clear ps3 or slightly more clear Xbox and then there were other parts where I was like this just looks like an Xbox your ps3 but what got to me was all the games are the same so like the physics in the motion and the stuff that you're doing still looks like the video games right it was beautiful and intense some of it looked real some of a little bit the same yeah all of it looks like video games well I think I almost named John was you see any force the shooter is the race I mean I think and I'm gonna get to that but I think that there is we're gonna have there's gonna be a couple of years here where were you answer this question for me they have a new controller they didn't show the console right they didn't show us the piece they showed us the controller right and one of the big features of control has this light bar on the front that that connect like depth camera sees so you can move that around I guess it has a share button and it has a touch pad none of those games used any of those features right well I think one of the games we saw use the features of this new controller I think I think beyond the share button why is it great but I'm not sure about that actually I think I think which game used any of the features they definitely showed the touchscreen being useful they showed it once they showed it once right at the very beginning when they were when they were ensuring the controller I don't remember who was he actually took he was holding it like this and he took his hand off and looked around using the touchpad and then what's the witness I think it was the witness well it wasn't a puzzle game I think it was kills him I think it was that one as well he was a little early he took his hand off he looked around using the touch pad and then he went back to standard controller configuration either way even if it had been using the whole time they were so subtle and so not important to what was happening the focus was look at these beautiful graphics in these games that we know are going to be popular not we've built a new controller and here's how we're gonna write and they didn't they weren't showing you know where is like Microsoft's last you know big announcements have been around look at this incredible innovative game played the Wii U was all based around this incredible innovative gameplay this was like look at these amazing graphics and yeah we got this innovative gameplay stuff too that we'll show you later on but it was like rad how awesome our graphics are and I think that is it that is a testament to you know somewhat the the history of gaming now that you they're kind of working against and I think this to your point Neal about how everything kind of looked like a video game you're working against you know years and years of this I can grain like here's what the motion looks like here's what yeah here's how characters interact and so you know I did think like and then killzone demo when it got into the actual gameplay I thought there were moments when it was just like just like wow moment where it just felt like the the amount of texture the amount of like atmosphere that was happening was just kind of overwhelming and I was really impressed by it and I think you know if you look at Jen I mean I played this is actually really good to talk about for me I play dead space the I've just finished the first dead space a few weeks ago which was made in released in 2008 I believe which is still like a like later generation Xbox game and I'm now playing dead space 3 and the the difference between those games in terms of graphics is like kind of blows my mind it's kind of like I can't even understand how they've been able to pull out like what they've done in the newest one first is like what they what we thought they were doing it that like the forefront of Technology in 2008 you know so I feel like there's gonna be a learning curve where people have to understand what this hardware can do that always happens but but I think what's most striking about the announcement last night is and what I was struck by at e3 this year when I'm constantly kind of like blown away by is the incredible lack of imagination the game developer seemed to have when it comes to when it comes to what their games are gonna be about like right no matter what it is the David cage games beyond two souls kill zone obviously the what was the what was the watchdogs a drive Club is the driving game you know you're driving games it was infamous and there's what I mean it was infamous right it's all like here's what's gonna happen okay you're gonna be somewhere you can you can shoot something out of your hand or you can shoot something out of a gun and it's gonna be in somebody's excuse that bullet or that beam of energy is going into somebody's head that's just going to happen that's the way the game is and like what's so weird to me is even like beyond two souls it's it's it's the premise of the game seems like the set up and it's like but it feels like the you know the setup could allow for all kinds of really amazing different things to happen and maybe it will but at the end of the day there it's like okay here's the hook you're gonna shoot people and kill people and like blow stuff up but this time it's a girl or like this time it's a little girl game remember me where it's like you're in futuristic neo Paris you've got to take down the government but this time you're a female and I just feel like there are so many things you could do in the game there I mean they haven't even has anybody ever tried to do anything different in a game okay it's either like shooting or it's like the the braid stuff where it's just like this whimsical magical weird like yeah I owe this and I judge the witness was right the witness we did it looks great it looks really cool yeah it's like this is the best update to missed that is that right right it's like why not show me a game with the with the visual complexity in the world of watchdogs where you know I'm a you know I'm a you know EMT or something and I'm like literally doing surgery on people at crime scenes or something like where I'm like driving around this like give me any I'm just like whatever give me a game where you do other things besides shoot people and then what's funny is s then the disconnect between the plots of these games and the system that they're running on so Sony is like they're deep in this social they're deep into obviously online distribution is gonna be big for the ps4 so they were going on and on about how you know there's a camera sitting there it's like watching you it's watching your controller so that's weird it monitors your activities and what you like and what you're buying and what your friends are like and what you're playing with your friends so it world right so it pre downloads games that it might think it thinks you might want to buy so that when you impulse buy the games are already there waiting for you so it's like learning about you it's like consumer paradise manifesting this consumerism no it's like all the games are like in a world where everything is a camera yeah I love the new theme of games now they're like oh we've been noticing this privacy stuff happened we've been noticing this surveillance like the best one was the game what was the game it was infamous 3 or whatever yeah where it's like a guy comes you're being watched all the time but and it's like all this setup like wow this is real drones and this is serious heavy political stuff I'm like ok this is political intrigue this is you know talking about humanity like what where we headed he's like what if humans began to mutate with superhuman powers like what what if we actually like I don't know I'm not saying like you're gonna play a game where you're the president or whatever though I have to say if you created a game with the visual complexity and the complexity in terms of the world of something like watchdogs and I had to play as the president actually doing presidential stuff like that would be kind of a cool game like I would be into that where you have a briefing every morning yeah take a breathing make decisions about diplomacy but like actually walk like to that you know the West Wing and stop like you know unless I mean actually walk into the West Wing each other's five minutes why the peoples are talking about walking around look real quick let's let's let's look dieter getting and start talking to you yeah very paper waiting for us to four-year can't here are you I'm new audio got on to meet yourself dude I'm such a noob yeah alright every shut up dieter where is it get it up get it up right now you have one they've got to Chrome pixel dude I'm going to say no here it is wait good dieter dieter open it up Oh touch open it touch the pigs awesome show us the money oh yeah show us that 3-2 screen it looks like this the elite book I love it god I love it look he's touching something look at this touch it Thank You Birds men Angry Birds VADs touching it's good look at this this is the future I think you have to talk so you're on the main one right okay so uh playing Angry Birds it's some know people can select me like you don't know you can do that later here's the thing like the the hardware that looks really good I mean it's like it's incredibly like square it's the same thickness all the way through from front to back Square squares in square it's making to come back it says gunmetal finish it's you know a chiclet keyboard and then comes back backlit keyboard backlit keyboard oh yeah the touchscreen I mean the it's what is it 2560 by 1700 I think is the dieter does it does it do this does it have them you notify all the stuff you read not does it have this new notification thing that we saw this notification pop-up in Chrome OS it is not and I think it's we're just waiting for like a update on it again but this is like the Chrome OS is the Chrome OS I have on my Chromebook right now yeah but I think things coming very soon so can you tell me look at all these hands you're putting on so it's some yeah so the the touch screen like they don't get how bad that yours yeah they're doing something weird with the inertia on it but it's terrible or you know chunky and it was the same way when they were demoing the photos live on stage but check this out when I go to the touchpad and do it it's totally awesome and fast and fun doesn't make any sense what is that what is the CPU in that so it's an Intel Core i5 I don't know the clock speed and it's got I think 32 it's got 32 gigs of storage I don't know the Rama let's discuss the most important spectator how much does that thing cost so this is the Verizon LTE version and so it costs fourteen hundred and forty nine alright so I only version is $1300 I want to talk about I want to talk about let's get I want to do real talk here for a second okay real talk why why who is the person yeah who is the person now look by the way I want one don't get me wrong you know but I have like a stack of things that I wanted Cydia next to my right you know that I regret buying who is the person like this Vectrex who is the person who's going to spend $1300 on Eric Schmidt pee all the people who work Eric shy yeah Google people readable he you don't put you don't push it on a production line because Eric Schmidt wants a once it 31 dude they did that that's my my personal conspiracy theory about the Nexus line on Android is they needed to make a high-end phone for their employees to use to develop Android on and they so they need to make like 10,000 of them so the developers nightmare what the hell let's just make a hundred doesn't anybody like with this a Chromebook pixel to me some sounds like a developer's nightmare no no developer uses a Chromebook right I mean how did that allows we be what web developers I mean if your Chromebook developers yeah exactly developers are using Chromebooks I just feel like it's kind of a crazy like I don't understand it I touch screen is there anything special about the touch screen like new functionality is there any it's a it's a touch screen they gotta wait for you know developers to support it you can't pinch-to-zoom I'm sure that there is somewhere that there's multi-touch unlike some Photos app or something that I haven't found yet no this thing is like it's a big middle finger from Eric Schmidt in Google to Microsoft and they could just turn around and crank out a laptop that's highly SPECT it looks good is a trackpad any good you know here's an idea why not try on this with a really good trackpad and I say something has a nice screen and they're like screw you Microsoft this is the future but like I say something super nice super nice design new hardware design right new design language for them kind of with this boxy look super high resolution display very fast for very responsive LTE I think they I think they messed up on where to put this the specs I think this is the Dex this is the new Nexus design people forgot they're like does that does the LT go in the Nexus or the $1300 Chromebook I can't remember oh the chrome buff is re 14 how do they convince Verizon and put LTE in this piece of junk right how about if I can buy this how come I can buy this off contract and use it on Verizon LTE but I can't buy an X's off contract and use it on Verizon LT didn't your dealer do they know what I don't want to ask them that question do they give any indication of who this is for who's gonna buy a $1300 laptop that only runs Chrome I mean everybody asked him that question over and over again and the answer is you know people who look want to live in the cloud that's their response people that believe in the cloud and want that terabyte of storage yeah by the way this is the Chromebook remember they very early on they're like you can drop it you can break it what if you lose it it's like what if you lose your $1400 writing book you're a book no this is really funny a few people have tweeted this a B so it comes with three years of one terabyte of Google storage and Google Drive which is great and I think that would cost you $1,800 we just like paid for it right but that is so arbitrary because you know that storage actually costs Google $0 it doesn't mean anything it's like that that's how much they priced it so I I there just tricking you so by the time my chance to ask questions came around I had two questions because everything else had already been asked the first one was are they making a profit on it they say yes they are and the second one is they eat it yeah there were they making it they're making it in Taiwan there it's not a us-made device the Nexus Q look you know what chrome can do for you it can integrate you into Google services and it can browse the web which has tons of Google ads on it why do they need to make a profit on this product well forget about that the better question is not about whether they're making a profit or how the better question is what who is this for like wow I mean yes they say it's for whatever but let's talk about what's going on in the competitive landscape okay for $1000 I can buy a MacBook Air which is a very cave it's what I'm using now is that for the 13-inch is $9.99 no that's the 11 inch okay well I have a 13-inch but okay for the same price well $12.99 for the xxx no I think it's 1199 for those really what is it can somebody tell me if all we had a staff of people who knew about technology Shawn knows a Shawn dieter you and Shawn actually behind us no pictures now yes it's 1199 1199 night for 1,200 bucks I can have a completely cable fully-realized Mac laptop the screen isn't is it a touchscreen it's not high-resolution yeah but it does about I'd say roughly a million times more things than what a Chromebook does like look I've tried to use a Chromebook as my main computer and it's just like kind of doesn't cut the mustard I mean yeah there's a bunch of stuff that's missing so people on our staff who used Chromebooks are Adrian and Chris Ziegler and both of them are I love it I'm like why do you love it I was like because it can't do anything else yeah I use it when I have to out I have to do work because I Google Docs and like all I can do is type and I'm like right here that's not a good reason so dear this is what $14.99 right now it's $12.99 for the Wi-Fi only model right or you can take 200 ollars more and get the retina MacBook Pro with the same specs right which is also bonkers like so what here's an idea just run full screen Chrome on exactly the same experience that you have with this thing I mean I like I like the Chromebook idea they just need to do a few things to make it more like an actual computer here's the things I don't have a problem with don't have a problem with using Gmail in a you know instance right don't have a problem with browsing in an instance don't have a problem if you have a good IRC client there now seems to be one that you can use in a browser don't have a problem with that but there's a bunch of stuff missing like ground notifications or notifications of any type you don't get anything like that there's nothing that plugs into the core services of of Chrome as a as an OS you know yeah so it's like you're missing all of this extra stuff all these things that I do like I use fantastical which is like you know a menu bar item that I can quickly access my calendar you know it's it automatically backs up my stuff to Dropbox you know I have Google Drive and Dropbox set up that's not something you can really do it's like yeah you can go get your stuff but you really can't yeah you really can access it like you would in a normal file system so it's like basically you are it's still very much that browser experience for 1,300 or 1,400 dollars I just feel like you're really pushing your luck on how much I'll accept a noncom plea I'm not gonna be able to run powerful 3d games like I could actually game on my computer if I wanted to they won't look that great but there's the option you know Angry Birds is whatever I can play that on any tablet in the world I think that Google is maybe hoping that this is they've got a chicken-and-egg problem with Chrome OS they need real stuff developed for it and they might have the hooks and API is necessary to make that happen but they don't have you know widespread adoption especially with people using it as their main machine and so I think they're just they're like who's this for I think it's for like developers to use Chrome OS so that they can move the state of the art forward on it so that it actually does become a viable competitor to other operating systems I think that I you know what they're hoping are located are they located within Google I've been selling this thing understand why if that's the case why are they seating this thing for free to everyone here's what I understand why don't they just take why didn't they just take the Nexus 10 what's the resolution of the screen of the Nexus 10 2560 by likes it's super high super high yes just take that screen blow it up a little bit and give me some option to be able to run like Android apps and Chrome on the same thing brand Android in like even a an environment so it was Chrome OS but then there was Android next to it yeah it would change the my entire conception now right I mean just something just give me something here you know give me the Android notification system in Chrome OS you know let me plug in like okay here's my phone number and my you know here's my Google Voice account or something like where Google Voice wouldn't be enough but let me plug in you know my whatever my all my accounts are that I'm already signing in with in some way does this you can't even do multiple account stuff in Chrome OS yet right you can you can log out of your account log into somebody else's account no that's not what I was talking about I'm saying oh my my on my Android device if I have six gmail accounts I can log in with all of them and I get notifications for all of them and they're all in my saying you know I mean like there's not a unified inbox but all that stuff is connected if somebody messages me on gchat on one of my other accounts you know it shows up on my phone it's all this like what's like kind of great about Android phones is that it collects all of your stuff into one place whereas you can't even do anything that basic on it on a Chrome on a Chromebook so it's like just give me some of the Android functionality just give me some of the ideas behind Android to make this thing better right now it's just you just added the touch screen and a ton of money right now maybe it would be great if the Chrome OS team in the Android team like hung out and had lunch more often did a hangout ride you know those things together if they actually got into a good what is do they have any answers beyond for people who want to live in the cloud people out man that's the same answer for people who have the other Chromebook yeah like okay I want to live in the cloud but I'm gonna spend like a thousand less dollars is that gonna what a complete I mean this is a fail and I just like this will go down and like I guarantee you you know it's fine everybody at Microsoft laugh to Google today yeah everybody at HP and apples on the floor people they have a day off yeah boy boys are the rest of the day like to laugh just laughter no in all seriousness I was talking to Michael about this yesterday and and we were talking about the pret can you hear me okay Tim I might just go out we're good hello can you hear me so we were talking he's like what do you think if this if you know if there's gonna be a Chromebook this Chromebook pixel we saw this video for do you think it'll cut be really expensive I was like man there's no way you know the whole thing about Chromebook has been like it's super affordable you know even at the top end of Chromebook it was like 500 400 500 bucks you know and I was like no they're gonna I was like if this thing's any more than like 600 bucks 700 bucks at the highest and like that's how they're gonna kill it they're gonna be like super high-resolution touchscreen and it's $600 I could not believe this price when I saw it today I was like how is this in any way like an advantage now like all of this stuff being the same if you said yeah and it's less than a thousand less than 800 you would start to be interesting so I'm gonna use this thing but like obviously well I'm excited to use it it'll be fun to play with but there's no like single feature that makes me go oh yes that makes it worth it if they if it had come out the main thing for me that what would make sense for me is if this thing had like legitimate 10 12 hours of battery life right this thing legitimately lasted that long I'm like oh well this kind of makes sense but it's just you know it's like it's just like a laptop only any one any one single thing that was better than anything else so we just got this tweet from ovo AIT's everyone I just saw fail they're targeting the creative class video editors photographers and developers yeah you're no there is no there are no video editors or professional photographers will touch who would touch a Chromebook with a ten-foot pole Upshaw's wait speaking of Crabbe do you see him taking photos and like processing with other Chromebooks speaking of you guys hear about this creepy feature you you plug in an SD card and it will automatically import all your photos so that's cool and then it will automatically upload them to Google Plus they're private okay I guess that's cool but then you can go to Google Plus to like the you know the event you've just uploaded and they go through and they analyze your photos and they check off the ones they think are good and they give you an option to automatically just share all of those by the way we got a really amazing hold on I want to put this tweet can I put this in our chat know if there's a way to get this image up on screen here but we just got an amazing yes I went to Queens rub from me from somebody who's listening he got a to D right it was addressed to you can we get this image on screen I don't know like there should be a way in hangouts to do there's a screen share option but I'm showing my entire screen no no no no hold on a second let's try something here I could I could pick up my webcam and point out it chill out I'm trying to hangout toolbox no lower third just put it as a custom overlay here we go hold on it's gonna be ridiculous is gonna end and ridiculously awesome one hired Josh for the monocle wait a second I get it I got to drag this my desktop well she can't do by the way in forever less so we've already gone beyond just this much effort here we go that work there it is that's pretty grainy oh there it is weird to me there's so few members of our hey guys it's Schmidt stream man this is it this is a final authorization I love the these crazy these pressures are so perfect for our the topic of conversation I look stoned yeah well are you stoned I mean maybe it's a Thursday you have it okay so so what else is there to say about the chroma it's a fail here's my question that's not a family lights facilitative class let me let me ask you come on let me ask you a question so we've now seen both Google and Microsoft proceed with their like hardware vanity projects right right what would you rather have a Chromebook pixel or a surface RT wait the surface or serpro service RT Wow yeah but price-wise they're the kind you get you get you get you get to pick one surface RT pixel that's a hard one I'm gonna say the RT I'm gonna say the RT is well yeah there is there is the RT has some okay I can get I can run do they have Chrome for RT yeah yeah you have to use IE 10 for arm and Bing and Bing it's a tough right it's not an easy start for starting to reconsider you can always break the Chromebook down into parts I mean hold on here's the thing honestly the I mean honestly actually what I'd want to do with with the surface I mean it's like I can't really use it because again ergonomically it stinks you know what Chromebook pixel Chrome I don't need I don't need I don't need a laptop to to play Angry Birds right or to run out look I need a laptop to do like work right and if I can't put it on my lap and type comfortably or put it on a desk and type comfortably that's like get out of my face and I know I can't with the surface and that's my biggest gripe about they RT you know besides its lack of any kind of viable hiko system at the moment yeah and its slowness and its house but you know but whatever I mean if it if it if it was just it felt like a good nice comfortable laptop to use I'd be like yeah let's do this so so I have to say I think I'd go for the pixel also let the brag the brag factor of the pixel radius it's like it's like buying you know it's like buying some hideously ugly old car and putting like as some sort of weird Porsche engine in it yeah I think it looks like an HP EliteBook from like 98 do you know which one would you if the 90s are back don't you know that that's really important do you I I would I would struggle over this decision I'm struggling right now it's fast the pixels superfast but yeah this is not gonna replace a laptop for me a real laptop and that was probably gnashing your teeth at the saying me saying it's not a real laptop but there you go it's not a laptop it's a Chrome yeah so I need if I'm gonna have a secondary device I want it to have a ridiculously long battery life and the when RT it's a little bit slower but it has a longer battery life battery life is battery life is better I gotta say that's the way from the pixel it's like ah they say ah they say it's over five hours and so realistically that's me through five hours I'm sorry I'm sorry could I just say I'd rather have an iPad at this point it's not a choice but it's it's a 500 it's 500 bucks and it does more than both of those combined yeah so what is actually here's a good question I can run Chrome on my Retina Display iPad which has pretty much the same pixel density sinks it syncs your stuff what is their answer for why you shouldn't just get a retina iPad well Chrome is slower on the iPad because it doesn't get the fancy JavaScript engine and yeah but on Chrome apps yeah but it doesn't matter because Safari is ridiculously fast on yeah and there's like a whole I can run Traktor DJ Emily iPad yeah I mean seriously I mean you know I got a Mass Effect game I can play on my iPad do they have a mass effect game there is a huge silent majority of people who desperately want to give all of their data all of their information everyone on the Internet is not the issue do whatever you want you don't have my take my data please but just give me something to like that and its really good to do with it like give me a place that I can really utilize my data you can get deep into Google Plus man sheep I mean look I honestly I would a Chromebook would be more useful for from a business perspective to me than an iPad okay like if I had to take one if they're like you're going on a trip you got a right you're gonna do X Y & Z you can have a Chromebook or an iPad I would take the Chromebook yeah as an iPad won't be as useful to me but but I think that but I think that that's not the debate anybody well the debate people are having it well whatever they're like should I get this or a real laptop right because this isn't I mean it doesn't do all the things my laptop can do it does a lot of them not as well which is like thanks for nothing yeah maybe maybe maybe Google just didn't want to compete with the Chromebook for partners maybe they're like we've got to not do what Samsung and does Lenovo make one we've got you know what everybody let's make a peep I'm not making a product people want to buy you mean that's how you don't that's how you you fail to compete right I don't know like you know maybe they're like Samsung has everything from Samsung makes my $300 Chromebook right right and it's and it's good that the 300 our Chromebook is actually really good so maybe Hugo is just like we can't make a $500 crumble I mean Samsung's Chromebook is actually the probably the third most excellent laptop in my house right now behind the is gonna sound crazy behind my macbook air and adele XPS 13 with the 1080 display running Ubuntu so here's the bottom line on the Chromebook from the old the old joke that we used to make when we were reviewing Windows laptops is for $100 more you can get a MacBook Air with the Chromebook for $100 less you can get a MacBook Air which is bitches bonkers like just and I get it high resolution but but was Joanna at the event at her head just explode there no there she was I saw she was traveling last night so I don't know where she is today okay but I mean this is just wrong I mean somewhere she's looking at into a mirror deeply into a mirror has exploded yeah all right so we never gonna I feel like we should give that we never finished our ps4 conversation right well we also like only has 10 minutes we guys have a couple other things too we have you know yeah everything is a fail can I just fail with HTC one Sony began the beginnings of a long failed process with a ps4 and this Chromebook is like it's like a comedy fail it's like a it's literally like Google's like playing jokes on people I think here's the things that so I don't think the ps4 is a fail at all by the way I can I just say that I they didn't show hardware but I think that in no way suggests that this is a failure for them I think that you know what it comes down to is how great is it when it's actually available you know if Microsoft releases something they're gonna show I mean maybe they'll show something like the illumiroom which is just a mind-bending thing and if they do that then Sony's gonna have to answer why aren't you creating a this immersive environment that's as different and weird as what Sony's doing and and and okay that's gonna be a problem for Sony that doesn't mean it's only can't capture the market that it's after and it clearly is after a hardcore gaming market here the question is when it comes time to make a decision here what's their price what's their content offer and look like what are their part of their graphic stack up next to the other guy and are they actually introducing any really truly innovative and useful and fun gaming experiences or is it same old same old I don't think they have anything is precluding them from from offering great stuff I think that so I think that this is a I think they're the way they did their announcement was bizarre I think that they let left a lot of people disappointed by not showing Hardware fiber Sony I would have showed a version of it a renderer it's not it's not even ready so they know I mean but they must have some idea what the hardware if look if they're if it let's say it's the end of February beginning of March right now okay we're in the week range here when they say it's gonna be holiday 2028 that means November at the latest there's no possibility they're doing this earlier than November or later then for Christmas shopping so we're talking like Black Friday right so so November 20 whatever the date is gonna be so if you're you know you only have a handful of months you don't know what your industrial design is going to look like you're already design the controller you don't have a pretty far along version of your of what your hardware will actually look like they could have shown an empty box it doesn't matter the only thing that matter thing is to say like here it is it's real it's going to go into your living room underneath your TV or whatever I think that's not a big deal I think it's a minor thing but it's a little bizarre I mean we we have a quote that that they gave to all things D Jack Tretton gave to all things D today that said we don't have final specter design that to me is more worrying than the idea that they write aa class well and you know you know my favorite thing in CES was Sony had a 4k player that was fake it was a it was a aluminum circle with a light and then behind it like hidden behind the screen was the devil PC that was actually yes and yeah so I was saying last night we we do like snuck backstage to find the controller because we were looking for it and like Sony had like NASA back there there was like an army of people like running all this stuff yeah and it was like okay like I get it it's not ready and demos but the reason I just don't think they didn't say anything beyond this we'll play video games I didn't say anything of beyond this will play video games on your Vita which is by the way the Vita is a fail right where's the piece where you get to play all the games on your Sony phone these a little more interesting the Vita is a little more interesting now that I know I can play PlayStation 4 games no it's even more interesting being able to play those things on Sony's Android tablets which are far more useful it's not gonna happen though yeah you can but you can't do that without the controller I mean once you lose the control you're in a whole another but but let's just say this I think so we can put a cap on some of these conversations because we have other stuff other fails to talk the Sony the Sony announcement was not 100% a fail but I have looked major concerns about their readiness to release a new console you know and and whether or not that consoles can provide a truly dramatic dramatically different experience so Chromebook pixel not a fail if it was 700 bucks 600 bucks not a fail to undercut the competition that it was the people it was competing against which is PC laptops the surface and MacBook Air and it doesn't undercut any of those guys in any way it doesn't offer anything they're not offering for less or and it doesn't say like you've got to have it even though it's a little bit more because it's got this crazy new feature there's nothing there I don't understand it that one's just confusing to me the laser oh the let's talk about a she say did you think this was a fail I why why do you think that cuz I don't need flip board on a home screen in my phone let's talk about the HTC One this is their new flagship phone I mean 4.7 inch 1080p super fast Android device with their new the big deal about it those they have a brand new skin called Sense 5 yes completely and what any other big deal is the camera right the camera ultrapixel camera the idea is gonna name stuff now yeah instead of going to a standard 8 megapixel sensor it's technically a 4 megapixel sensor but the the pixels are bigger so they can take in more light it's less if they can do more interesting stuff because it doesn't they don't have to spend as much time processing out noise I'm actually pretty excited for the camera i think that if as long as people don't get freaked out that it's only 4 megapixels i think it's gonna end so I'm not worried I think I think what they're doing with that is great you know actually it's funny because my column last night released the new version of the camera I have I have the d7000 Russa d70 100 it's funny because instead of giving it more low-light performance they increased the megapixel count and I was disappointed right like I get it I think that's really important on a phone camera that you can take pictures in the dark with it I think that that will become like the most important camera spec of all over being able to take pictures in any situation I think is right so I'm gonna I'm gonna get totally flamed for this but I use the camera for about five minutes and pretty in a low light situation and you know I was taking like I would take pictures in low light like a regular human not like I know what I'm doing with cameras and I'm gonna say that it in that in that short time it seemed to do a slightly better job than the Lumia 920 that's it I hope you know it's great knowing you can you can Lisa tell us where the funeral I'm really I'm sorry that it had this way it's tough to see you go we're only looking like you were only looking at on the screen right yeah that's the other thing so you're saying it's like ridiculously bright but when's the last time you looked at a high megapixel photo like no it's actually I think forever like you're never gonna do it like when you see a pixel it's gonna be upset right exactly but when I see a phone that has like a 13 megapixel camera I just know it's gonna be terrible it's always bad but we got to talk about blinkfeed this all the new skin basically it's Flipboard on your home screen you can check a box to have it be off to the left instead of it being your main home screen but I don't know it's here can I say this thing about blinkfeed and then point out to Josh's point one of HTC's big lines from this entire event with the one was we're not marketing ourselves correctly like nobody knows who we are we need to be more out there with a brand and what we provide consumers and the way they're doing that is by giving everything a stupid name like it's how you do yeah no but so like HTC blinkfeed is the new home screen Flipboard the speakers are referred to as HTC boom sound inner cats terrible also they have a partnership with beats so it's like HTC boomsound with the beats which is terrible they have like a vine kind of app called HTC Zoe which like is basically burst mode Lily is the word no Zoe's actually Chloe no it's basically a burst mode for the camera right no it's a burst mode with video that you record at the same time and it codes both at the same time and so you can take any video and pull out a still from it and it doesn't look like it's still from a video it's actually a full but they commit it but at the end of the day at the end of the day you know I understand it but I understand okay for the separate features aside I understand the need for naming a product you want people to know you want people to know you know that your camera's different I'm sound with Beats Audio okay boobs really sounded let me ask you this we just told you what HTC Zoe is what is HTC Zoe yeah what is it Zoe trope like but the better not doing this correctly the better question is what let's I mean this is the thing that I think we need to start the question that needs to be answered what consumers want I mean why is Samsung succeeding with Android and other companies are failing what are they doing the way they giving them I mean they're airing commercials I don't think that's it yeah I think it's but I think that first part right that that that first click when it was Samsung I don't think they're copying Apple as much anymore but I think for a minute they really did they were on Verizon when the iPhone wasn't on Verizon and they they they were that alternative to the iPhone on Verizon yeah I think that was a really big deal but so is Motorola I mean you know I feel like in some way Motorola murders but I didn't want the joy right the Droid was marketed against but I feel like and also in some way like this whole Apple vs samsung thing has kind of it's really I think it's helping people who already are predisposed to not like Apple or think that they don't like Apple for some reason they're like oh I finally have a company that can champion but you know my side of things you know I finally have a Microsoft in phones even though Microsoft has phones but Neela's me always points accurate like when it was like motor all over Samsung Motorola was the guys phone like it was the boss the wall guns out like we're talking commercial still have you seen them the new Droid RAZR MAXX commercial tear it's like what would you do with 32 hours of battery life and it just zooms in on people looking tough and they don't actually ever say that's the thing imagine nobody can think of something it's like I'm gonna wait here until I die like you just so I don't know like but I think but I think that uh I think I think that okay fine but I think that you have to start asking the questions these companies need start asking questions what a consumers actually want and why aren't why isn't it working for us you know there are real there are real questions to be answered but here's the thing blinkfeed like that's a strategy question that you're asking Josh and HTC is answering it with a tactical answer so the way to think of blinkfeed is a way that you think of the gigantic flip clock that they used to put on cents and it's all about the in-store experience someone walks into a store they see this thing on the home screen they're like ooh that looks pretty I want that that's what blinkfeed is it's so that when you walk into the store and play with the phone there's something cool right there on the phone that that you know the reps can't really screw up because it's built in like it's about selling the phone in the store and you know if it's actually useful to users later great but I personally don't think HTC cares there's thinking about the in-store buying experience but that but I think that's the I think that's their problem I think they have to figure out how to make a phone that's better than the galaxy s3 then I you know aren't we assuming the galaxy s4 is coming out next month yeah 3 March the 14th we had sources right March 14 the Samsung is like slowly but surely getting better at the software right like they're they know that it's their area of weakness as well resources against it HTC is like seems like rebooting right they're like yeah let's start over with this footboard thing and that's not you know what come on I mean I'll say this but you can do the home screen you know Laura as an HTC phone that that she really loves I mean I don't I can't stand what they did in the interface and sense there's a lot of it just bothers me she really likes it I see places where yeah I get it I know why somebody would like this better and it just works more like you expect a phone to look but she has the the 1s right yes no but you know why people like that phone because it's of a size that it's malleable it's a normal size it's a four inch phone it's a normal you know Vlad's question for Peter charity you know the C of HTC was why don't you make a small phone and he was like I don't know what it is like there's just a point I just want people to make it a reasonable size phone I actually think the BlackBerry the 4.2 inches like a pretty good you're in the range of like this is a pretty good size I remember thinking 4.3 inches about as big as I ever want to fight to fly home I I just want people to actually think about what what consumers really want in need in their lives instead of stuff that you think they want need I think that's the problem is like there's a lot of assumptions like blinkfeed I mean I don't know what kind of market research they've done but is blinkfeed the thing that's been missing from everybody's life you know I think this like this Live Tiles argument it's like let's present information better like okay I'm all for that let's present information better but you actually show me a better way to present information before you write you noticed is Flipboard you know people really love in it the red phones is Flipboard and sort of like you're like here's this crappy other Flipboard and then you're out of your way and like and also and also just like what is it what are you actually trying to get at they're like is news the thing that you know here's what I found that's most interesting and you know I have two phones now one isn't it you know I use full time iPhone and Android and and I have found increasingly just increasingly annoyed with the with the hunting and the weird like you know interface discrepancies on the iPhone right and and and on Android what I've noticed is that I'm less and less interacting with icons and lists and I'm interacting with my notifications I'm interacting with when i when i unlock the phone first off i see what do I have right my notification light actually tells me what I have before i unlock it right I have to color notification light so then I get information right away without having to think about it then I unlock it and I see okay emails from here tweets whatever other you know calendar stuff that is kind of the way I'm moving through my phone and then that's leading to other actions right that's a branch of action so it's like so you have this in somewhere in our forums I don't remember who it was I don't remember when I read it but somebody in our forums was like it's weird because I feel like Android is becoming more and more about in integrated OS and the iPhone is becoming more and more about apps pulling you in different directions yeah and we're just ballade like they're different no and not only that but the apps themselves are have functionality that is diff completely wildly different you know you look at an app like mailbox which feels you know it doesn't feel like it acts the way other iOS apps act it has a totally different like a swipe to delete is actually a swipe one a little bit to do something and swipe further to do something else and it becomes this like okay but I'm used to swiping and then I get the little thing and now I'm just swiping away and if I don't do it long enough it does something else and it's like but like and there's no cohesion there but I know not to bash iOS iOS has a lot of great look I'll say this if I want to take a picture or browse there is no better device than the iPhone there is no better mobile device in my opinion for straight-up rat web browsing and straight-up photo taken at this bright are you good you should you should download Traktor DJ for the iPad today Oh like I have time to mess with Traktor DJ you're gonna you should you should it's the weekend you're cracking me up oh you mean the weekend where I'm traveling to LA - what are you doing a plane what's the music I'm going to write I have something to write on the plane so thank you for this great suggestion I'm gonna DJ like an app that can't exist on Android but it does on the iPad yeah they you know they're they're all about how they there's stuff they can do an IRS - can't do an angel but I think that I think that right so but anyhow but the point is I'm increasingly you know my experiences in my interactions and I think this goes for a lot of people are increasingly cute off of stuff coming into them you know it's not like I got to go into this app and do X Y & Z like you know that's a very specialized sort of thing that you're doing you know I need to make a list I need to play a game I want to listen to music like these are not these are not what you do all day long it's like talking to people it's tweeting it's I am its email its browsing right and those are all like these weird branch and experiences where you start with one place and they usually lead to something else and and Android has found a way to connect that stuff I think better than anybody right now and and it doesn't feel disconnected when you're moving through iOS totally feels disconnected but the thing when I look at the one I think like you know what if this does all that stuff great then that's great if this mean I hate the one because it they took away the multitasking button Google now is like it's fine but they have a double tap to multitask I think that doesn't bother me right eater that's gone no it's no you come double tap the home double tap until it's in it's a much better multitasking and what the iPhone was - right so that's why and I use that all the time and it's totally fine it shows you a grid of nine frozen app states so dinner they hold it down to new Google now it's totally fine like anybody can get used to that the big question is does it connect all of my experiences when I do need to branch will it help me branch better and faster and easier when I need to share will it help me share better and faster and easier and like if you can't effectively and I think Samsung has done a lot of that stuff and it's one of the reasons people like what they're doing is that despite how much I hate their interface they actually have started to connect a lot of those branch experiences together it's like that thing where they did fake it'll find your Facebook friends and photos that you take it's that kind of stuff where that's actually a real world use like I could see people needing that and wanting that alright so dinner we should wrap this up here's the last question where you play to the phone this is a make-or-break for HTC right this phone isn't a success I don't know that HTC has a lot of shots left yeah they won't they won't like they won't go out of business right away if this wasn't a success but like yeah I think I think this is their best shot and coming back and I think that it's not gonna be easy and I think it's probably not gonna work and I think it's in large part because Verizon said thanks but no thanks to it so they're only gonna be on the other three carriers in the US Wow well Verizon will do they'll make they'll make them do like a Droid client D Ning Yeah right because that's what they have now is it aren't they like they're largely similar no they're gonna do they're all of you they'll they'll do some something with the D end I mean they've got the DNA now I'm sure they'll do some other joint brain thing but it doesn't help HTC is a company it doesn't help them build line share and branch share and they need that right now because people think I you either get an iPhone or a galaxy and HTC needs to just get back in that conversation and Verizon is not helping him do that by the way this somebody sent me this is this is apples apples reacted to the oh my god dave grohl your son coke invited Dave Grohl just hanging out there not even kidding either man I believe it liked it here and what's the price $12.99 boom oh it's later passed out on the floor from hysterical laughter lovely no we should start wrapping up so yeah we should I yeah we're doing a short one today because I'm in the middle of writing something I'm very excited about if you are a reader of the verge tomorrow I'm gonna have something very special that no really no one else I think will have and and they'll be awesome video with it and I'm excited about that so get ready and I'll probably tweet some hints tonight or tomorrow and 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