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Hey and welcome to the verge cast for the week of April 22nd 2013 I'm of course Josh Topolsky I'm Paul Miller ooh it's new it's excited freshening yeah who's that guy yeah I'm Neela Patel who's that guy and you'll notice that we've rotated for someone yeah I don't know why we had a I was like I don't like talking when I have to go back and forth that shuttle you look really great in that yeah it all worked out all those like different greys and angles and you're right I do look great yeah thank God you know this is my front I'm in love it's for the first time in my life I got great that's cuz you stole my handsomeness chair yeah I look terrible I have to say that this is yeah look at you let's also get that the face is way better the body oh god my hair screwed up I like we had this idea I had this idea like I wanted to be able to sit across from Paul in Eli yeah and I was like and they were like just sit we're Neil I sit and then it turns out that when you switch those seats it doesn't change the fact that we can't we still it's like well I'm like oh now Neil I has to do this you know whatever this is the verge Castro discussed the week in technology called your culture culture and and that's it those are the only things yeah and just other stuff that doesn't fall into either of those categories whatever we want and you know sometimes we'll just talk about what we ate today or you know who were dating you know we haven't talked to Paul in in in many weeks this is my first time in the students like I'm like addressing across you I'm addressing back there yeah you could get into my line of sight we haven't talked to Paul for there you are hi Paul you're really in my line of sight now that's really really in front of the camera really rude anyhow we haven't acted Paul in a while and he is coming back to the Internet mark your calendars mark your iCal jot it down on your G Cal's fantastic put it in your put it in your outlook do the other calendars it's the name of the microphone it is Cal what's the name of the Microsoft calendar outlook is it is Outlook there's no they don't have another sub name for the Outlook calendar no no those cow Bob cow can we give it a name I'm gonna call it o cow do they still make entourage remember no they're like those like their Mac specific version of Outlook looking to do any right now let's stuff right that's how more it is listening to this guy he's prettier a single tear this beautiful British cheek look I just use s calendar any how are you mark your calendars because it's Paul's going back to the Internet snow what's the date the first Wednesday 1st May vid night mate made a midnight Virginia legislature and it's May 1st May Day does anybody now are there it is May 1st yeah can I ask you a question I looked in Miami count we get my shot back on here I know it doesn't matter for the people who are listening to this podcast gonna get my want my single on thank you oh you can't even see it I'm just gonna go that I was gonna do it just gonna get some of this going how's it make you feel internet upset violated anyhow we've had an exciting weekend a lot of news going on but Paul's going back to the Internet and I think we couldn't be more excited about that now I want to button this back up we couldn't be more excited but this button is far more little thing to tap I heard on on May 2nd yeah hey you're gonna button not just that button the but a lot of more love to I plan to do annum buttoning till we get down to the navel right at which point everybody will become severely nauseous no but you're coming back to the internet are you excited yeah absolutely I mean what what is what is that what do you think the first thing you'll do when you have access to the Internet will be like like literally the very first thing will you check your email no you check Twitter I mean I've got to kind of planned out but I don't I don't want to ruin the surprise okay I've got like you know people have asked me that enough now and like started formulate a plan yeah like I think it's gonna get improvisational pretty quick yeah it's probably gonna be a lot of Twitter you're kind of an improv expert that's right you sure of a guy who thinks on his feet yeah you know you put you in a put you in front of a group of people right you never know what's gonna happen next juggling body I like to play Wallace to tell me a story using a variety of props body shots I'd you know I did something I did some body shot acting classes in in high school where each like you like you are like a birthday present so I could convey that can you through motion about some of that not really right now is that exactly you're a box so you do know like like I mean like what you're trying to convey is linear on what it is what is to be a gift you know you know it it's I feel like I know what it's like for you to be a gift no everyday hmm thank you yeah yeah so I took that for me it's like you're like a tie and a pair of socks and like man I really wanted a new Nintendo me for me you're the you're the diamond ring from Zales that I've been with from K ok every can we get to Z we've been a hell of a week last week look at we have a lot of phone system every time every time like some sort of a notification hits Neil I I know because like this whole table starts vibrating was actually free I'm in the middle of a period of great in this except for this GS 400 she's just here so you can play with it but I'm in the middle of a period of great indecision there should be no indecision well we can talk about it we should start however with Apple this week because W DC was yes so we had this you know we had this tech news is slowed down yeah we knew then we're about to fire right back up and we had this couple of weeks obviously the last week was dominated by the Boston bombing news and and you knew that your IO is coming and WDC yeah now we got the WWC invite June what's the date June 10th June 10th did I say that right yeah it's the 10th well so let's but the week started I think this is what the week started with apples earnings right you do that yes I just just did a high-level the week started apples earnings yeah like hotly-anticipated earnings yeah you know there's a lot of rumors that iPhone demand was low yeah that Tim Cook was not gonna you know they every we had a joke that every quarter of raffle was always a record quarter right like I mean I've never up ten years like 10 years like I'm rewriting the headline out of the post rival good quarter yeah and this one was decidedly not right and that just the top line out of it is okay it did okay they made billions of dollars in profit but the top line based on can you turn down my my earpiece a little bit just a little bit loud the top line is basically iPhone demand has slowed down they only went up 6.5% they only sold six point five percent more iPhones and last time yes like a problem for them yeah and they basically if not clap it but not flat but at flattening the a year ago iPhone demand was up eighty eight percent right right and the iPad curve is still up this year sixty five where this quarter it's sixty five percent right so this like massive staggering growth that everyone's used to from Apple has like definitely slowed for the iPhone there's obviously a lot of phone competition going on there's a lot of questions and then so the call then the an analyst call Tim Cook opened it by saying we know everyone's very frustrated with our share price we know investors are unhappy we're unhappy too we've got great new products coming in the fall and throughout 2014 next year he said something about categories and then and then he said twice and this was actually pretty funny at the very top of the call he said we have we're very excited about our range of products we have now an exciting new product categories for it for us to go into yeah which is could be anything and then there's a Q&A period and jean monster's been fomenting for an Apple TV for like decade he's like you could hear like a quiver in his voice she was like Tim might did you did you say exciting new product categories and Cook was like yes yes Jean that's all I'm saying Jean was like well I well and then I see oh TV ad monster so the whole thing here is it basically and I was I was been trying to write something about this but it's hard to it's hard to convey such a weird feeling but it was basically Tim Cook who's making promise we'll find another category of explosive growth and that good times will come again right and he's saying we're I know you're frustrated but don't worry it but then they're delaying I mean they very explicitly asked him do you mean there are no new products coming out until the fall and he was like well I don't want to get into timelines but we were very excited about atomic launches in the fall yeah which is for I think for Apple very strange and then the next day they put out the WWC invite mmm they explicitly say which is rare we're excited to have developers here new versions of iOS and OS 10 you know and then the invite has this wire design I thought this was the thing that was notable and people say like you're they're like oh their designs are always crazier than the invites you know the the design of the WDC invite was typographically very unique and I think visually I think meant to convey a Petain playful cleanliness yeah you know and I think that and they're sort of the the graphic on it is sort of apps shape and I don't want to read too much into because we don't really know if it means anything or not I thought the typography typically Apple will do like a Color Splash or something and then it'll be Apple typography that you're right familiar with I thought the typography and even the fact that they were using Roman numerals as opposed to yeah a date you know it's like this is out of apples brand yeah I mean I they not in the sense that it's like very stunning yeah this to me looks like this to me looks like something from like a fashion house or you know something from like a young brand and we've been here like H&M and we've been hearing all the stuff about I've is taking over the software interfacing the design is getting rid of all the junk so maybe it doesn't mean anything but maybe it does maybe I've fired up InDesign yeah and put together a little oh yeah the weekend yeah Johnny I have at home with Photoshop he's got though he's got the InDesign trial right and by gum I'm gonna use it right right and he said by gum I'm sure by gum but I do think I do think it's it's you know it could be indicative of a change I think that we know that they are at a point now you know it's tough to argue that whether you think they need it or not the public perception is and the user I think many you users at least in the in a certain bucket of users yeah there's a perception a vocal bucket a bucket that is like the kind of the forward-thinking group there's a perception they need to show something that looks really fresh I just I wish this wasn't so and I I don't know what it's like to be a public company I've never been a public company but I wish Paul Miller is not traded I've been buying stalking you for years I've been thinking about IPO but I just don't know if I'm ready for it yeah but this is so investor centered and like they're so concerned about their stock price and I know it like hurts when you lose half of your you know value but wait I think they need to be telling users that there's something cool to come right and give users something to anticipate and regular people something they anticipate especially as people are getting more clued into these you know upgrade cycles and as you know Samsung keeps on having these messages I mean I don't even know like is the iPhone slowing growth is that part of like a market saturation for smart I think I think that's a big problem in general for the market right I think people are smartphones and I think what was really interesting about the call was he kept on cook kept on going back to the iPhone 4 he brought the iPhone 4 more times not called in the iPhone 5 with a new iPad and he kept on saying in China and other places we've made the iPhone 4 cheaper to build so he can sell it at a lower cost we can you know maintain our margin and we can get into the low end of the market which you know everyone's reading that is like a sign that Apple will actually build this cheaper plastic iPhone people yeah it was weird that he brought it out several several times I think but I think the long I sure but there's all been all this chatter you know you see that the finance blogs and you know starting to say oh there's rumors that people want to ask cook and you know I think that Apple's problems are not as severe as they're painted sometimes in the press but I do think you know they kind of a painted themselves into this core I mean and you're bound to do it as an innovator where they paint and particularly the way Apple is innovated in the way they talk about their innovations and sell their innovations you know when we interviewed Andy Rubin we were doing a when we did the piece on the Nexus 4 and the Nexus 10 and sort of what was going on with their program he said something to me about how it was a hits business yeah that software design and sort of creating those products was it was a hits business and it was all about what's the next thing you can wow consumers with like what's next like an awesome feature they didn't see coming and you see with Samsung well I know we're gonna get to the s4 they added all of these like you know and HTC did the same thing that's like blinkfeed and boom sound and all of a sudden you're supposed to be like whoa the crazy innovative feature but you know Apple to their credit did real innovation big innovation that changed industries and they paid them you know it's not by their fault not their fault but they paying themselves into this corner now where the consumer is so expectant of innovation right and so it's so expected that at these events they will announce this game-changing thing and the market has has Ria's react to that you know and the market is now saying well you created these incredible products there's a great something in The Washington Post that great analysis of this but the gist is you know you created these great products you created an enormous consumer demand competitors had to spend years playing catch-up to you right the whole time you were just making money hand over fist and now you've got this situation where you haven't done that in a while well competitors have caught up right almost all respects what's interesting is at 2007 Jobs is on stage interesting first iPhone he says we think we're five years ahead of everybody right it's six years later yeah are you still five years ahead of everybody and I think the answer is very conclusively no yeah right and I think it depends what they come out with in the fall and in 2014 they could have some products that might take like one or two years for people I mean think they could have a product that we don't know about the current society I think that's where I think that's where you know they have to but yeah that's what we've always expected from Apple but at the same time like I feel like they've been getting trashed for a while that they can't compete with Android which is overtaking the market especially you know outside the US in terms of profitability right like but now they're like thrashing on Apple for for these low profit margins because I have had many has less profit margins and these cheap iPhones have less and by the way and the iPad Mini could be seen I think rightfully so and clearly as a response to the demand for smaller tablets that did not come from China to do without Apple does not typically have to do and I think we were all a little bit surprised that you did see Apple sort of respond to the market and the same with the the longer iPhone no the taller iPhone I mean they basically were like we made a larger screen iPhone without sacrificing what they were doing on the iPhone you know Cook addressed very gut asked a very direct question on this call you know what do you think of the competition the 5-inch screen size is landed it's here and the answer his answer was so it's an answer it's like he pulled it out of the Steve Jobs playbook but unless you're Steve Jobs you don't get to deliver this answer he's like there's a lot of trade-offs there you know we think some people want the size that's great for them but we think other things like white balance and color accuracy and yeah reflectivity that's what Arkham and it's no they're not do you know they're they're looking at the giant screen on the subway yeah and they're thinking man I wish my phone had a bigger stream I'm you know and I think that that probably is an indication that they're they'll do something larger at some point I mean you know it's one of those that I think a pelagic it's part of their playbook that they're going to say we don't do that then they go and do it because that's what jobs did so well yeah maybe but I think Steve Jobs does that he says you know these larger screens you gotta have a crazy hand to hold that no normal you know like he sells it yeah and cooked just like right off this list of like other qualities that screens yeah it's like dude HTC is making a LCD screen with a higher pixel density than you that's very very good right it is bigger but I think like those exists I want to say something else about the screens to be bigger I don't know what you're talking like to say now is about what Apple's been doing and talk about the state of the industry right now and and and one of the things that I feel like you know a few years ago particularly at the start of when the iPhone launched and when we really started to see the app ecosystem come together and you saw this huge inter this interplay of all of these parts of their ecosystem you know music and video and apps and it's all like the hub is it's so obvious what the hub is and how it all gets pulled together in your different devices and I feel like as competitors have caught up to that they've some I mean I think in some ways Google has done a better job in terms of management of applications they now all off you know Microsoft offers music and video Google offers music and video there are more competitors in the music space than ever with things like our do and Spotify right and people's habits are changing where they're using more streaming service I think Amazon's up to 30 percent right amazon has their app store and their devices and their their music store and video store in Prime and Netflix and HBO Samsung so there are five years ahead of every right well but everybody's like there but also but but but what's happened in that in that intervening five years is not only have people caught up but they've and I won't say leapfrog but they've altered some of the ways that we communicated the way that we think about that stuff and so it's really interesting now is you look at the landscape of of you know what is special about Apple's offering right because I think you could argue that their cloud services have yet to be no it's not sorry I think yes if to their end user or to their developers their cloud services are somehow superior to what the competition is offering you know and I mean Microsoft and and Google in this in this aspect but then it's also you know the App Store is there the music store is there so it's like in that sense the services side the ecosystem side still is excellent well the cloud it's not like fully modern yeah it's not fully modern and you have to think about Apple's aptitude in that the service on the services side and I think that it has been slower to develop and worse in some ways than the competition and so they have to not only have this hit of a product but then they have to also keep explaining and showing how their ecosystem and how it works is superior and it's tougher to do that now that it's but it because it's not superior I think there's a illustration my brother adds not much of an illustration the way the military thinks about like competitive advantage is you can be competitive with a country like if you are if they're one step below you and technology if they have a lot of planes and your planes are higher tech but you have fewer of them you know you're still competitive right that's a that's a more you might be able to outrun them but they can out done you right you sort of like if you're if you're two steps above and technology you just destroy them right and I think what's happened now is Apple is about one step behind in technology but they still have like the mass force yeah and and I they're just there and I also think that kind of might be they've got the numbers but not that right and so there's just slowly fading and and but if other people take another step forward apples really screwed and the thing is that I think yeah Apple has still has theoretically all of the talent no actually really disagree a lot of the talent that has put them where they are right at the top they have senior senior management is right but I keep hearing from like Valley companies like basically why I keep hearing is it's a little too easy to recruit from Apple right now really well because what I what I assume is that those people that were you know let's say the people that are still there that we're capable of creating what we've seen yeah they might not be able to create what's next and what I hope is that they have another good five or ten years in them of cool new products that I'm gonna be excited about maybe as an Apple fanboy yeah but they might not be as wildly successful as I think that to that point like you can't and we've been over this before and I don't think we need to belabor the point but but you can't you can't analyze who Apple is right now and what they do without saying you know it cannot be overstated how important Steve Jobs was to the what has what happened to that company right in the last you know 10 years in the last you know for that for up until his death you know what when he came back the change that was effected that carried that went all the way through the AH you know iPod and iTunes and in into like refining the Mac line and refining the Mac books and doing the iPhone in the iPad and and the App Store I mean that stuff is all you know it was led by somebody and it was clearly led by yeah I mean I think we know was clearly led by Steve Jobs and you can have the best people in the world but you need the you really need the leadership in some ways a leadership think about all right or and I might just but you need a second-in-command is the Trulie Lobby to cook you know people saying he might be out be like what a subtle burn might be on his way out my point is you can't discount that and you might have the best people in the world and you might hope that that that they have the the next thing but but it's gonna be really I think it's really really gonna have to come down to it you know an incredible mixture of luck and skill right to duplicate but also the kinds of things that happen under jobs also those ideas were kind of pre-internet ideas yeah well no not the iTunes Store not the App Store well not iCloud as well think about iTunes was to rip CDs and sync them for a long time your iPhone was still syncing back and forth with iTunes kind of like your ID I did in Walters for the iPhone came out with edge accredited like right no actually speaks to Paul's point when you think about it like you know I you know that it was anyway and it came out without app and you didn't say you did sync over a cable and right there but it is true that as an Internet company they seem much less agile no I completely agree with that but I'm saying that stuff right like they were they believed in internet delivery before the internet was ready for now that's true they built the infrastructure they were first they were first to that so yeah you know we're not question this week I've been doing we've you know had this partnership strike a Film Festival do you guys know and I did a bunch of panels this week and one of the things that came up and one of the panel's was was their avoidance of blu-ray as a kind of part of their strategy to embrace digital downloads into this go backwards you had blu-ray music I use a red box yeah and I can get a blu-ray for like a buck third buddies red box two blu-rays yeah and a lot more now and blu-ray still higher quality than in almost all day all night streams he didn't get it's like it's like three dollars cheaper yeah yeah we I by the way on one of these panels we talked a lot about this tecnique the technology and we talked a lot about 4k we actually had a guy from Sony who runs their kind of systems you know the guys who build the 4k cameras and the TVs they put his try to put it in the market and they were talking about delivery and and and what what they were saying and some other people in the panel is that the delivery yes that's right blu-ray still looks better there's no you know the artifacting isn't there the kind of like terrible quality you can get over streaming yeah but they're saying the the apparently amongst like film and video people though common wisdom now is or conventional wisdom now is that that compression is the answer it's not that better compression 1865 yeah and HVAC I think is the other one yeah we're gonna have these massive massive amounts of date the massive amounts of data but it's all about the compression on the Netflix had yesterday that was like we hit it and basically the line there was we're gonna stream 4k years decades ahead of the broadcaster so yeah I will I will switch to that the instant it's available it's a compression but you're right now Redbox has been a superior what I'd like on Zune stream I mean watch it watch it dark like a literally dark film like Blade Runner and over streaming 1080 streaming even on your in the white house killed yeah and you're just asked in your best shows in Aereo versus the blu-ray yeah it's like in not even in the same I mean I have to say I never watch blu-rays and I bought I've bought a few movies recently and I really love that I want to watch and when you put them on you kind of like wait my TV can look like this yeah now so you can streaming like and on our team it's like a criterion blu-ray guy like that's what he watches yeah and it's like you're right you buy a TV it's like maybe it's expensive maybe it's not and then you like put the worst yeah no not just you want a large acting it's got better colored right now Halsey and and and by the way I think that uh you know I have to say I would never thought I would become an advocate for blu-ray or physical but I was talking to a friend the other day and he was saying that somebody said to him you know you should buy the movies that you love on blu-ray because it's probably the last physical yeah medium will have of these and it's like the highest quality they'll be as a physical I think blue is a lot like my final yeah I think eventually CDs will die out cuz you know get the bit so when you give a higher quality 1080 it'll be it'll be completely obsolete right you know once you go to work I think there we talked to CS time about 4k blu-rays I think they will that technology will continue to expand but I think that they will end up well it's kind of their nature fork an itch product you have the fort 4k blu-rays that are just like my master you know but or downscaled and then upscale thank you but there's there's another like we did talk about this budgets yes there's another level to the blu-ray standard can hold more data and they can be right but still yes but that's still being that's it they're arguing it I'm cute in 4k they downscale it and that's now that's so that's what the current right right so they're remastering so that the upscale is better but they're gonna make a native blu-ray and they may have native a new form format what it the point is phrase at the point is if you pay more if you want to get the best version of Blade Runner you can get right now it's it's on a blu-ray and it's not anywhere else and so I do I got I just watched the the final cut of blu-ray yeah and then the other day I watched the US theatrical version that's my is that from what 92 or from original the original 82 the original 82 yeah and they re-released at 92 the director's I've mostly seen the 92 direct which doesn't really neither does the final I see I'm one of the few that prefers the narration yeah I'm a sick person it was a interesting is a very different film with the narration III I bought the blu-ray of the the most recently like the happy ending so the in the original version it ends with I don't spoiler alert we're about to ruin Blair's two endings that don't really spoil it yeah there's driving in the desert yeah and there's getting an elevator down the desert dry forest rising driving in the forest and getting into an elevator the getting to the elevator is considered the not happy ending right that's the too bad she won't live Echo's that's not a spoiler he says it in the movie right that no but we do you spoil the ending whenever it if you don't see Blade Runner why you lose what are you doing I can tell this is a good formula right I I think God prefers the sad ending yeah of course now do you think do you think all directors prefer the sadder do you think he's a replica don't think of the other because the final cut has really Scott has said that that he is right for a dream and the reflective eye and then the the unicorn origami yeah right right which is like saying so you think he's a report is almost as character whose name now escapes me for some reason knows that he's a replicant right well have you read the book I just actually read the book is totally different and crazy right right like like there's a part it has a half way through that book that that a completely flips its trip it has like a I would almost say directly contrary moral to it yes yes yes that's great I would say sitting in this chair is a lot like being on crossfire yeah I know I know by the way way off of Apple we can there's no debate there so let's let's move on because you have to here's the thing here's apples big problem I'm holding in my hand Oh big no it's a big big big here again next big problem so this is a galaxy s4 I'm gonna add just hand this to Paul because I played with it a lot and like David reviewed it this week a lot of other people reviewed it this week everything about that that's me no David's David's final word what does it have to do this thing where it's inspired by nature dude don't worry about a church um don't you love dimensionality David's line was this is a great phone millions people will buy it whatever the HTC one is better and that was a line he did say whatever whatever I will say that Walt Mossberg basically said whatever the HTC reviews you I urge you to look at the HTC One in the service yeah listen this phone is it's a it's a very oh what there's a thing on the side yes just in case you want more crap do you think you need so you can hover your finger over and like in flip what you can't look at that in a couple days I'll show you some cool stuff my finger over I think this is a fine high-end Android device that does everything you could possibly want an Android phone to do if you have to buy the galaxy s4 I don't think there's any problem so maybe it's not gonna be a horrible experience judge you know I got you in fact many people will buy this phone because Samsung has just staked out I think the gallery app just crashed by the Oh didn't know that nothing crashes all it's got problems but it's not like a piece of junk okay but let's just say this can by comparison I've been using the one the FCC won and and I have been you know I have struggled and and and had incredible hardship with trying to find an Android phone yeah that is on 18 T that has LTE that I'm not basically disgusted by right and and you know I'm very sensitive about skinny I've wanted a stock phone and I you're running apex though right I have Apex launch right here because I just don't like their launcher right but but you know I think basically everything else there's a few annoyances on here I think this is the finest phone may be the finest smartphone I've ever used no I think a lot of people agree and I feel that here's what the camera is it may not be I will say this I think the iPhone 5 the camera takes better-looking photos but I think this takes excellent photos it works very well in low light yeah and I've been able to capture some things that on other phones it's a complete like no go yeah and and even on the iPhone in some cases yeah and it's incredibly fast the screen is unbelievable and I have so this is a point of controversy maybe ever except for my the Droid I have a Droid RAZR Bax HD kind of that phone is so ugly encoder max HD which I have let die and not turn on for the last week that's out yeah that's has I've been using the one because it's just like I don't need it so I have two three responses yes one we shot for the screen I will say that my new metric for how good a phone is is whether or not I let it die and the phone that I am using most that I remember to charge the most is it a first so I'm like I have a warm using the first I have a one I have an iPhone I have a first and the first is the phone I don't like that what are you looking at he's just did a picture that let me just you can put yourself in a heart can you guys see this I mean I was I was trying to just take a picture of Josh but it put this heart of me in there they was testing dual camera so here's everyone so I agree with you that I think overall the one as far as like flagship phones go is best young I think it's really interesting that I think HTC is has made two of the best phones yeah I think the first is the first I would say saying but I'll say this about the first I've become very accustomed to a larger screen at this point the first seems smaller the first is basically in a Dave and I talked about this a bunch on top shelf which is next this is basically an Android iPhone that's what if it's it's no I think it's designed to look like an I feel like an I first had a great camera which it does it absolute miserable if it had a deck and that is a great camera I would very seriously consider yeah that as my main fun thing no but everybody just thinks there's like zero money and making a small high-end phone I think they I think well I think people want larger devices I'll tell you I said walk but I saw I saw somebody a director who was on one of my panels mm-hmm who had a note yeah and that's really popular say I was like this is you know here's a cool director guy John Dalli would you nobody uses the pen as far as I can tell you I don't think so maybe sometimes anyhow cool Hollywood director type smart guy stylish Qaeda uses an antic phone you didn't know and yeah he wasn't a big guy he wasn't like it you know yeah John or anything I just think it's interesting how often I see that now yeah I saw somebody I think they were really in the big screen and that's so you get back to your point so my voice lesson is play David gave the display a ten which had some controversy because it is like an AMOLED display I think it should have been its default its default setting the colors are really inaccurate like they're super bright red it's like yes hyper saturated Samsung it's pentile everything about this display is designed for me to hate it and I think our readers know that I am very against Penn tile displays I'm not a big fan of amyloid but if you put that thing in movie mode where it like the colors get more accurate yeah and you put it side-by-side in right now I don't remember tonight's Toby and you put it side-by-side with the one it is basically impossible to tell them apart and there's like some slight difference in color very I mean you have to be like a color scientist different so my opinion you should have to put something in a mode and that's what that's what David said to me he's like no one's ever gonna find this menu III just calibrator them it does above them yeah and I think people really like that screen and I I'm some people I'm the last person is say a pentile AMOLED screen is really good but that screen is really good man I have to say Sam software's Tara we talked about and we holding this in your hand is off can we on that something and get into that can we just talk for a second about Samsung's software design it sucks your designers are terrible I'm sorry I'm sorry I like you know your phone hardware is fine it's okay whatever it's very capable but just hire some designers who have eyes eyeballs was running a first step I'm sorry like I like I think this phone is a solid phone but how am I saying I'm sorry I'm not sorry our designers are doing a terrible job of making good looking software you know really and we deserve better people deserve better look at what HTC is doing they stepped up their game they had pretty bad looking software sorry drew Bamford yeah your stuff looked kind of lame in sense for and you know before that although there was a point where I was like since it's pretty good-looking I think it's like say she's always been trying just a little too hard too hard on they they pulled it back considerably and it is best flat now of all things be hyper amorphous in now it's really fun right it's flat it's not like abstract right it just looks okay it just looks nice it's not offensive you know it's well-designed and and right the difference between you know the the one and they asked for in terms of design is kind of monumental right I don't think most consumers are probably going to care but but they have and so what Samsung has its engineers doing is building this laundry list of features that yeah like literally as a con in the review David listed additional features can be overwhelming yeah it's like do you want a phone that when you're watching a video and you just look up for a second pauses the video and then you look again and rebuff errs the video blink zone look you don't need that do you want a phone that like you can wave your hand over like maybe I do blink but if you don't use it the right way when you put your hand back over it it like goes back a page to know who's gonna figure out how to use it's it's only works in servants working no it only works like 75 percent of the time you have to like learn how to use it so this morning this March day that is way better than working better than that's that's way better now that's fine I will say that the hover stuff is like you could see the potential for it to be useful with it so if you have Flipboard open and you hover your finger over a story it expands the story onto that page and then you can like click it ok and then it opens so that's like interesting but why don't you just tap it because maybe you don't want to so it's like a little preview I'm trying to be I'm trying I'm trying to find what the the Silver Lining not working so the dark storm cloud that is started on Todd now it should just be on maybe it's turn on and I mean all you need to know about Samsung software in their inability to focus and inability to choose is that you have the option when you pull down the notification shade to put up to 18 different toggles in there to try out the different feature it's ridiculous and it's like why but you don't there's an easy mode on this phone you can push a button and have it go into easy mode so that like normals can use it yeah which is ridic yeah I just think look here's the deal if this had really beautifully designed software with all those extra features yeah if I was if I looked at the UI and I was like whoa this is really well thought out and well designed and then also the hardware was nicer I mean the hardware to me is kind of I mean I will say that the one is gross so one is so so so much nicer from a hardware perspective this would be one of those things where like I apologize for the design but I could do so many cool things with it but but that I wouldn't have to apologize you just had look if you just had to say if it was just the hardware was like a little bit cheap but it was wet it was a it was a well designed cuz I think design wise it's fine I think if that back were were aluminum and this band were real bad it was totally different the back was like made of what a screen makes it look like you're this like this Mauer yeah you know compadre but this is like this is Samsung it's like what I'm saying what I'm saying this is what I'm just saying if the hardware everything was the same hardware wise but the software were killer yeah you'd be like this is a serious like I'm gonna really think about how much I like the hardware here because this is a great device because there are a lot of really cool interesting features and it's fast and it's capable and the cameras very good and the screen looks amazing but combined with like the shitty looking software and the crappy hardware I mean technically speaking the hardware so I mean the cameras yeah the screen is good it's fast cameras great action right the but it's cheap lean kind of made it feels kind of cheaply made you know that combined with the software to me it's like in comparison to the one which is the exact opposite in every way there's no there's no competition there right you know for me and I think that it for an educated consumer if you go into a store and you're looking at these two phones here's the deal they're basically the same phone I mean they're both really fast Android phones with the I believe the same size screen same resin a little bits just 4.7 yeah this is I think this will be right at five four point it's like four nine this is smaller than that yeah no that's not possible give me that yeah I think it is I think they it's four point seven I think they hit the target of the sure people are yeah yeah you know why because um you're right because they were trying to do it yeah that's my point is that that I think that the one is just some superior mice and and and you know a real really the kind of phone where you look at the iPhone and now it's fight it's like funny and by the way they just they did bite a little bit of the iPhone with the with the with the edges on the one why should as I showed this to back back he has a white iPhone 5 yeah and I showed it to her and I was like I really love the first and she's like yeah this is gross and I showed her the one and she's like this is super hot and so you don't think it looks like your I thought she was like I don't think it's anything like my - yeah I mean I think there's like an aesthetic sort of the the the chamfered edge is is well that's what it I have another would chamfer in a while it always makes me smile this is chamfered edge I've spent that I've invented we spent years trying to perfect anyhow it looks like it's in the same job but like this is the nurse I'd say this is truly I think maybe the only phone on the market right now well that I can put next to an iPhone and say and by the way I've had a bunch of people pick this up and say whoever does it yeah yeah people like random people are like what's that oh so it's the first it's really the first I can say that's on the market right now that that that either can go head-to-head with or in some ways best so here's the question and I really want the black one I need HTC needs to release it now well here's the question ya know you can buy an unlocked LTE version of this which with no deal with no carrier crap on it for a 575 bucks which is a huge deal worth every penny so but here's the question yeah and this is the question yeah so we I think the tech press he agrees that HTC is even well in terms of creating some people wall call has bested Samsung introduced this product yes is that going to save H are they gonna actually sell them Samsung is spending and I believe the number is literally in the billions yeah on marketing I think this and I just don't know that HTC can compete yeah I just don't know that they can compete with that market I think this is gonna be a really great test because I have stood by me a test of how we're relevant we all are I stood by a thesis for a long time that that great products cell and and bad ones don't and middling ones can do okay and it's it's whatever and that can be more based on marketing but if you want to have a huge success you did an absolutely great product and I think an absolutely great product with even a tiny bit of marketing can do usually way that you think that an absolutely great product even with a with a with a 1% of the marketing budget of the mediocre provi okay proud I think I think people give too much credit to marketing for the success of things and I think Samsung I would love that spending of mine to be validated I think what's unfortunate for you is that their their their market presence and their the power and money they can put into marketing is the sole reason they have been a success but the also the s3 was the best Android phone on the market for a while I think I think that that that it was the best Android phone that was available to everybody on every I found in the Nexus for Galaxy s3 was an OK phone it had flaws I don't say there's a perfect phone but I think it was the best Android I think when you walked into the Verizon store right the galaxy s4 was sitting with a gigantic screen next to the iPhone and he picked one yeah an HTC phone at the time was like the Droid DNA which is like much bigger right looks crappy that's in variety but but I'm saying at the Verizon store and what was the HTC phone at the AT&T was like the the one excellence which came out later which was like you know like the one was a good phone it didn't have also so now I just I was just reading that the there's some supplies constraints on the s4 and yeah it might be that it sounds like incredible yesterday so that Sprint and t-mobile are gonna be later with the s4 okay but spring its spring team oh that's right doesn't matter but but AT&T and Verizon here in America are the big dominant yeah the big shard but is the HTC One shipping at the same time I don't know their shipping schedules these I know the unlock one is is right now is I think I saw somebody at my coffee shop using one that's possible it's delayed I know that the unlocked one is too late 18 t I believe is selling them at the moment I don't know I I would I would so love to be proved right because it's always bugged me like this has been an age old thing where people would like to ride Apple products like well they're not any good they're just like they've got you know so much marketing and stuff like that yeah but but but you know there's an element of truth that's here right mean like the I that's what you people said about the iPod right and Apple spent billions of dollars marketing me I'll prove them wrong to create there and it's still don't like the best thing it was it was that it was oh you getting a creative Rio no it was the best thing but it also had marketing this is like can you do with a thing that's pretty good and has an amazing amount of writing right and I think the answer is yes I think that Samsung just blew every other phone maker out of the water with their last year of marketing I mean including Apple right I think Samsung ran the most effective most interesting set of campaigns of any put their own maker baby so maybe a phone that was more desirable than iPhone 5 because it's clear everybody just wants absurdly large screen well it's not just that but people know the iPhone they're like okay I know the iPhone what's next you know the consumer is very fickle right there's a certain consumer that's like I just want like a newer thing and so I mean just the idea of a doctor they also first I guess but samsung also smartly appealed to consumers who they drew a line and been actually in some ways I would say Apple helped them draw this line to lawsuit which the luck with the lawsuit sure which I think really if we step back and look at it was a huge was actually kind of the beginning of the of Apple's real modern trouble and I know that it was initiated by Jobs but I think that that lawsuit which was really to prove a point more than anything because the the the the result was that it did not damage Samsung's ability to sell product in America or anywhere else really drew this line where people were like apples the big bully who sues God there my Christine Samsung's the cool young guy who's like fighting you know big mean Apple and Samsung played into that with their ads and Apple kind of like by cheering their victory oh by the way I'm not saying they were wrong to do it I'm just saying that from a market perspective I think that it hurt them more than it helped them honestly I don't think either side has learned anything yes because I keep I keep poking around I'm like are you guys gonna settle there's another lawsuit coming up yeah right because they filed Apple the second one against the Nexus One and all these other phones yeah and that's a sideshow I was like are you guys gonna settle this and I keep asking you know the line I keep getting is basically if now there's no movement we're just waiting I mean I really feel like that so we're gonna go through another trial hope everybody's ready I think that's a mistake for everybody involved but you know nobody ever listens to me damn I said it the day that we they went to trials like they're gonna settle this because the topics me anotherjob we do there's actually another huge top know may May 21st new Xbox to be in my my which which which you know we've been at pains to not call the Xbox 720 because we know we have a pretty good feeling that it is not gonna be called the Xbox 720 but people are searching for it 2 rango or like I've gotten emails from you literally you don't have any Xbox 720 stuff on your site I'm like yeah it's because we are not calling it the Xbox 720 and you're searching for it not finding that the new Xbox the next Xbox with a new Xbox and there's rumors that tonight box the next box yeah there was a we had a we were we were trying to come up with a headline for Tom did a piece today because kind of like everything we know about it so far and and we were struggling to figure out a way like do we boots a call a 720 do we not I got it yeah Xbox 720 right yeah how about just Xbox seven I was like oh that's great it lines up with Windows 7 ed with those folks and you know what you've been off the air so that works so so so yeah Microsoft basically said we're doing it may 21st we're gonna show you our new Xbox YUM and it's it's very interesting it's it's you know clearly Sony knew that they were I feel like Sony knew this was coming and wanted to beat them to the punch with the four yeah the page four which is why they didn't even have a physical console to show and which I still find very unusual consoles have been launched without the physical console to show they show you something yeah literally didn't show us anything and I don't think I've been able to discuss the PlayStation 3 on this podcast yeah yeah the PlayStation 4 we haven't probably talked about too much but yeah I think we did well I am I am actually I did really bullish on it why CPC they built the piece yeah they don't the PM right you're excited because it's like it's PC because because global the most exciting most fun thing that I've had in gaming recently he's basically twitch TV is people stream not recently well not for a year but but in recent years that's so crazy yeah is people streaming games and sharing their experiences in different ways and and you know there's a share button I know that's why I'm excited about the place that we finally gaming is finally about to get social yes and you know what like I really ain't getting social again do I play fewer games than ever I hate social games I love playing by myself also also basically also this constants worst kid on the playground this console generation this console generation is totally playing in T Valve's hands basically because they're gonna be a PC but they'll be a little more open and it will be awesome for alpha to be big but I see issues well it's you know it's got an AMD x86 CPU it's obvious yeah right so very PC base as well mmm combines obviously the graphics with AMD so the GPU and CPU it's the same chip that Sony is using which is crazy which graphics or processor should I be a little bit aim it's the same on 100 same board should I be a little bit should I be a little bit bummed that we're just getting like gaming pcs like I could build this right now right yeah basically right it's got a blu-ray drive it's got a hard drives that's right I actually have been you know I had Evan Rogers put together a list for me because I want to build a gaming PC right and he put together pretty good list and I have to say like I'm planning on doing this in the near future but I am a little bummed I guess the one thing about like the ps3 was you know Sony was like super computer you know we are creating a new architecture that the Army's gonna put a thousand the whole reason this is happening is exactly because of what happened with the PlayStation 3 where basically the Xbox 360 is more successful so you design your game targeting the Xbox 360 and then you port it to the PlayStation 3 so it typically looks a little worse unless you do some extra work that's that's even ya know and now it's like pretty even yeah but I think the decade later its yeah the thing that sucks though is is but but is also why consoles I think will still be pretty successful is by having such a specific hardware target and this is awesome that it's the exact same yeah is is that that developers will be able to really just hone just hone and hone and hone and okay you've loved it when developers home man those developers gonna home but like the graphics on like the most recent console games yeah are about as good as some of the best graphics on the PC and no matter how powerful your computer is other than the frame rate and resolution and some extra little effects you can get on the PC the basic concept of the graphics is all constrained by the consoles and the consoles have gotten so much better and I think having this single hardware target always knowing what you're going for the graphics so let me get into some other stuff here cuz that's great but then it's gonna have a connect to it's gonna have a new operating system obviously that is more focused on entertainment and then the big piece the huge controversial got a Microsoft employee fired piece for saying it's going to be contributed to it's going to be always on with permanent DRM so always connect to the internet so much Xbox 360 this year and that would not have worked right Microsoft director Adam Morrison got on Twitter sorry I don't get the drama over having it always on console he said before adding a hashtag deal with it every Microsoft issued a statement did that guy they follow I apologize for him in orth immediately I open it spilling the beans how do you how does that work I mean I guess at this point it's kind of hard to imagine the next box experience without the internet yeah like I can't imagine I'm always they don't not be it not be online like right I mean I know you can imagine it but it's just so unusual it's like your computer without the internet right so I kind of get it I mean when they say always-on that just means but these needs acai right so I think that might be the big and maybe this is just the game's community being crazy mmm the big piece is that Microsoft and Sony antennae have always hated used game sail yeah so the the step one is you're always on step two is you have to activate your game with a code when you like just like EA games yeah to use the way you buy an activation code if you buy a used game and then the last step is you're just gonna do all the games online you're gonna kill the use game they'll do streaming game gaming I mean Sony is leaning into it I can't imagine Microsoft I've got to say I'm gonna say it you've got the idea of being able to say I want to play you know what's again that they they previewed at the PlayStation 4 event can you think of one probably a Batman game where you kill thing I know it's probably said you know they were all games where you kill things yeah don't worry about that as a new Killzone yeah it kills out you know kills that which I've never played any Killzone it's by the way but you can start playing it straight a wallets downloading in the back you can be like I wanna I'm gonna buy the new Killzone play and then you're like five minutes later you're actually playing the game you're not downloading a multi gig file and waiting for it that to me is kind of mind-blowing it's like the funny thing about on live and these streaming should get Gaikai you know when you first heard about the one we've been talking about them that you assume a a particular type of use which is I'm gonna get their service as a separate thing I'm gonna stream games on the Gaikai controller or whatever and you kind of thought of it is this as its own thing when you think about it apply to the ecosystem of the PlayStation or the Xbox so much more scene it's a crazy amazing new idea and I'm so excited and I just can't hide it I'm about to lose control and I think I like it mmm-hmm I'm not I'm so so you to say by the players with the DRM stuff it's annoying right now that you get these codes and you have to enter so at least would be nice like if this is what we're it's a lesser of two evils if this is where we're going with the industry at least it sounds like Microsoft will deal with all the deal with it now the hash tag deal with it yeah for all your activation codes so that's a nice that's nice but they just there's been so much I mean I think this speaks to fundamentally what we've been talking about like I don't think you can sell a computer anymore and be like the Internet plugs into it I don't think you install a game console be like the Internet plugs into it I don't know you in soft phone and be like you can open the App Store if you want but also right now like I think ultimately you had the services have to be integrated into the entire experience both at both companies are going and it just it speaks even more to the need for readily available broadband consistent broadband none non throttled yea or lightly throttled so I just ten minutes I just I just got internet back at my apartment what yeah how do you know it works that well I don't follow the cable in your wall you fall it is just hanging anyways like so I shopped around which I've done so many times in my life yeah we've all been there would you book the only things I can get are like I can get um was it Time Warner or leap Wireless or clear what is it clear hang it clear I can get four rise in DSL which is still a slow as it's always been it's like 1.5 I don't know it's so slow and I can get Time Warner do your diet I can get doc says I went with like the 15 down here full one up you're full but it's just like it's so annoying cuz it's like you should be a doctor for like it's it's probably it's a hundred bucks a month yeah yeah I think it would be like for me compared to my plant it'd be like 50 or $60 more than I like I have doctors and I think it's great I'm so money buying by being really slow on the internet so we'll see if I can tolerate I'm happy to hear that good thing you'll be in the office every day I also got a phone Oh which I can't really use yet either but you guys will get triple play hey I only got double play Oh what oh you got a landline phone yeah do you add cable but it's point no I don't watch I don't want cable okay but in here that cable the next great yeah no I've got the next Paul van antenna I get really great CBS what else is on our list of topics do you actually done actually John can you tell me do we have the video so while we're on the subject welcome back Paul we've prepared for you a bit of a contest because I have no idea what you're gonna do when you come back on the internet and I think I can't think of a week actually the way this contest is going in the early running I was worried oh god the same thought guys back on the internet and he went homeless so Paul's gonna come back online Wednesday midnight between Tuesday Wednesday midnight right right the first evening of Tuesday in the know anytime 11:59 p.m. on Tuesday and then it'll be 12 a.m. on winds so we have to figure out what you should look at if it was transpired on the Internet right so you have produced a call to action for readers so yeah I'm looking for recommendations with a hashtag watchit LLC so let's run this hashtag what should Paul see here we go so fast but not for me I'm Paul Miller and I left the internet for a whole year but I'm coming back now on May 1st it's gonna be a multimedia extravaganza I want to know what you think is the best thing that I missed on the Internet I got a hashtag you can upload a YouTube video you can tweet you can find you can Instagram there's so many possibilities on the Internet let's rediscover them all together yeah then I use it all over the side really no how's that recently filmed yeah no idea what vine is I know a finance I helped my roommate create some lines interesting you go weren't behind the camera though no no we were doing making like stop motions I like it what did you make well we did one where it's like a skull of coins and then it starts crying coins and then another one of this guy here that's how that dawn committal this guy like he like like he sticks his tongue out and then like his tongue like swallows what sounds like every any other any topics we need to cover maybe art maybe our live listeners would like to offer some subjects there's actually one other big thing we should talk what is it um before we wrap this is Amazon doing set-top boxes I'm not really I don't know what who cares like fast I got Amazon all over everything what it's gonna be like five hours on streaming on my TV Smart TV yeah it's just weird they thought why not I remember time when you have you watched any of any prime shows let me tell you something all right haribol have watched a few moments of each they're awful and it wasn't happy with what I saw I mean it was like man that house of cards is like pretty good house the car we should watching by the way exactly I've just gotten into Episode six or seven and boy it's pretty good it's really good it is a show yeah it is a tell you guys we could either are not dream I think I would watch how hard he devised flashbacks cuz I could be assured that it gets bizarre at some point there are don't ruin it for me I've only I just don't think I could Staller eight that much straightforward drama I think when you get in that into the seat and bundle up I don't think there are not having a flashback to I want a unicorn dream sequence there's a scene where you at the end of the show you figure out that Kevin Spacey is a make sense and and and Robin Wright is like too bad she won't live then again who does yeah and then they show a car driving it's all just all of the endings and hares it forwards like some folks call him a skin job well that's like some of his narration a lot of people hadn't heard the narration yeah I think the narration is is better I like it a complete weirdo I think the narrations give the the viewer some context into we once had a thread who we wanted to have a movie night for the staff you were off the unit mmm I'll show this to you yeah he once had a movie night show blade rock yes and instead of having a movie night what we had was a week-long email thread where everyone argued about which version we should go which one one none of them one we all lost whoever wins we like almost kind of frustrated and mad I walked and then we didn't order pizza and watch a movie I have watched three different versions of Blade Runner and read the book this year so I guess I guess I guess whatever way that is winning is Paul's got a lot of time for the victor congratulations well anyhow that's we'll all be coming to a close because you'll be back on the Internet and back hard at work yeah there's email threads oh yeah you got so many you're gonna be crazy a movie 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about it except that I am 9 out of 10 I I here's the thing here's the thing that I now do with keyboards on phones I go like a keyboard oh my god finally I want to get a keyboard I want to use this company be so great and then it turns out I'm way slower unless somebody else or a slower and less precise with a physical keyboard than I am was a virtual doesn't love the these virtual the virtual keyboard has one somebody at somebody asked hold on did you see oblivion I've not seen oblivion yeah okay we have a review we actually did a review somebody said where do you buy your suits I actually yeah of course this is your answer I mean I had tell him the most of the ones you see me in it handmade because I'm very tall and I have a very awkward dream also I love luxurious handmade and please argue more about Blade Runner we're not doing that hold on to our speculation we got to wrap it up yeah we gotta wrap it up unfortunately oh my god somebody who's at webOS that's great we'll do this 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