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sup girl hello I was right can we stop it's already pretty legislative it's the intense face while we're waiting is like me like we're trying to surprise the audience yeah we need to be on the same page there's nobody else was gone you don't either rehearse for that look hello welcome to the the verge cast for a week I believe it is the week of July fifteenth a lot of surprises in store today not least a which is it this coaster which I believed was made of wood actually ceramic who knew you you know how I've been I've been in the game too long I thought this was a pad of like makeup I've been in my game for too long yeah you know you've been back my game like literally for that game of being a talented on cam your talent now yeah actually did you track your science with it to get low yeah and it didn't do anything didn't solve this blemish didn't solve this bloomin I was like it rubbing your face in a ceramic disc will cause more problems of its old lady that's why probably who is this makeup oh god it's so abrasive it's terrible um let me just tell you let me give you an example of what what we deal with here at the verge there's an email I just got you okay you're doing this well I won't name names and we're change it we're changing we understand the concern and we're taking it okay but we wrote a post today about sugar being used as payment for weapons this is true we wrote a post about this thing by North Korea paying Cuba for weapons with sugar and we used a photo of they paid in sacks of sugar used a photo of sacks of sugar and the sugar company was very mad at us that we were defaming them by implying that no I feel like the legitimate you know we will change the image but it's just one of those things that you never one of those emails you never expect to receive yeah like an angry sugar company executives what if Korea paid Cuba in like angry editorials yeah and I used your editorials hey pretty much Jimmy there's so gotcha i really i love i would flatter knowing that my you have the rage filled editorials are now premium they're helping used as currency somewhere in the world you should introduce yourself so that I can i yeah hi I'm Nilay Patel I'm Paul Miller i'm ross miller you might notice that josh is not here josh has been murdered hmm and we're looking for the killer hmm who's hi to get a bag of sugar uh no Josh Easy's often stuff he's gonna be good yeah look he's a company man now he's got company things he's a josh is at the stock market right now buying and selling commodities most likely sugar but not this company's imagine Josh at the stock market like in a crowd of people to screaming buy buy buy sell sell yeah oh yes almost yes I'm pretty sure that's actually it's really good Josh within 50 feet of the stock market that's what he starts doing instinctively like it's like it's like a range detector like do you are you near the stock market right why he doesn't here's an easy way to check is Josh yelling bye bye bye it was like take the train because you might accidentally end up on a line that's like it's too close craving it it's a hazard okay what's well we this is by the way this is the verge cast this is which my god I hope you knew that before this began in which we talked about pretty much anything we want but occasionally also talked about tech news culture news the culture of technology news which is broken quite frankly in other an assoc economic issues on you're doing this broke you got this guy our culture is broken culture cultures our culture of knowledge abuse is broken yes but they the news of technology culture that's working fine so let's start with broken technology culture this would be the AT&T next and the verizon edge phone upgrade plants mmm-hmm do you want you to the facts do you want to start screaming I just want to start going yeah can I get to a fact real quick you the facts man alright the facts real no no I want to do a fact in fact I got a tmobile phone yeah I got one right here bro what up here I sent us on them I saw this on the mobile show a couple days ago I'm now paying each of the major carrier so I feel completely justified bill in just ragging all the way four of them not all 4 i'm mostly pity sprint so if you see you see me right a pity editorial about sprint you know where thats that's coming from the heart do you the facts of these I don't want to talk about that whatever just tell me what's happening on please product okay well first and foremost this is all coincidentally happens just after t-mobile announced that you can upgrade your phone every six months yeah you give the phone back you pay this like ten dollar months and up subsidy or whatever you want to know it 18teen verizon have come back doing something very similar although the details of which have you more or less paying for the phone twice giving the phone back and biologicals screwed out of your money just to get a chance of by phone again and again and again and again right so look so t-mobile announced jump rich was so that the the big thing t-mobile did was we're gonna lower the price of our plans and we are not going to give you a device if you wan device you can like participate in some other programs it purchases and I so you can buy the whole thing out front or you can pay monthly installments and then this is prior to announcing this is prior to asking jump then the jump is mobile if you want to get ahead of the cycle you can pay ten dollars a month for insurance and in addition to the insurance you get to switch your phone every six months right but your data plan for your monthly plan you're still paying the subsidizing that's not on Team oh I don't know you're right kemo no so in t-mobile it's like you're paying it's a lot of different monthly installments but you know what each of them is go right all right t-mobile says this is what you your phone plan is this is what your installment plan to pay this for this phone that are you actually own now right so timo was like here's your service here's the phone if you want to accelerate how fast you're getting a phone you can pay an extra fee a month right this is what they call like phase 2 of 3 like t-mobile is a parent this is phase two seems crazy with tmobile you could just pay off the phone because you are paying as if it was like a credit card you could bail it off and get another phone so in response AT&T yes exactly in response ATT and Verizon did a thing which is I believe like one of the biggest rip-offs maybe in history in terms of like wireless carrier pricing the great mobile swindle it's a great mobile swindle and what they're so right now just think just start with me here because this is actually contentious and Helen's three years fila readers keep arguing with me about this I'm just gonna start doing so right now if you buy you can go to verizon or AT&T okay you can buy a galaxy s4 for one 9 then you can like sign up for a two-year wireless service deal and at the end of two years you must sign up for a new year contra don't you get a two-hundred-dollar phone yes yeah whatever but at the end of two years you've paid what's called seventy or eighty dollars a month for service from one of the big two and you have a phone you've paid no other prices right you've paid 200 hours the top you fade eighty dollars for two years you're done now you have a phone you've gotten the service somewhere in there verizon is paid off the phone right right and we know how much rise in values the phone because you can buy it up front without a contract for 680 doll here's the loaded question do we know how much of that phone is actually in the monthly payment so that we don't but it's obvious to the wort like you can just look at the numbers right somewhere verizon is collecting six hundred dollars from you six hundred yards from you right you pay 200 dollars up front and you pay for all the service and get to keep the phone that means they've taken they've allocated some amount of money towards the purchase of the phone and that's why you get to keep it after two years exactly right so they've caught so the best get mean just doing the math two hundred dollars minus four hundred eighty dollars divided right that's how much the difference is 480 / 24 is twenty dollars a month I really wish we brought a whiteboard in today we should I should have done like a glenn beck style I couldn't do it man I'm so good I'm tense goes I'm saying so good I'm so mad about this like but that is obvious and like right before I wrote the eighteen t piece that's calling next to rip off I call ATT and yell with them before I run through verizon piece today I like straight up was like there is a subsea like if you look at their sec filings both companies admit that somewhere in their prices exists a subsidy to pay off the phone right right that this is like not controverted and and ATT recently switched it from you could upgrade at like 18 now it's 24 but now it's 24 so then on top of this so that's like everybody understands this right you buy the phone for two hundred dollars up to two years you get the phone you're paying the money and your part in your plan pricing someone by my math you're about a third of what you're paying is for the phone but yeah they won't I mean I've asked them over and over it just tell me the percentage that I can really do the math for real we can make it and they won't do it because they know that makes them look more evil than ever right one the men when they don't give me the number i have to guess the number and then the argument can be but you're just guessing the number they gave me the number be like you're not guessing the number on BT dubs they're evil right so they won't give me the number because that they want to attack me at you're just guessing the number which is cool good tactics I applaud your courage in battle but I will win this war uh uh okay so you're gonna win this war when like their customer base is just keep it up and growing but your metrics I'm just gonna get print I'm just gonna keep yelling dressed up but I want Neal I to break down so more regiments oh so then if you add next door edge to this what they're doing is they're saying you're going to buy the device you're going to buy it you're going to pay us six hundred eighty dollars for the device or 650 or whatever the number is and we're going to break it into these monthly payments so over it so the simplest way to think about is that two-year contract again so if you are on verizon you sign up for edge you 24 monthly payments for that galaxy s4 after after you've paid fifty percent of the phone you can get a new one but if you just wait it out just think about this math under the normal one you pay two hundred dollars up front you pay two years of service no additional fees the end of it you get a phone with edge after 24 months you've paid 680 dollars for the phone and you've been paying this the service fees it would have gotten you a the rest of the way there and you get a and you get you you end up with the phone but you got you get it you pay two hundred dollars for a new phone or do you just get a phone you just get a phone okay well so that's two hundred dollars off notes on you phone it's to look look think about it this way it under the standard plan okay 200 hours i know i know not in the grand scheme of things but I'm saying like at the end of a normal contract you have to typically pay no no the end everyone just get the phone my look yeah right you get to eat it's your phone right right because you say I'm saying at the end of a next or an edge thing you get to keep the phone you get to keep your phone but do you pay 200 dollars to get a new phone yes no no you you start you just start over so you're not paying up the down payment at all you don't pay the down paint you're spreading out the number right right so they're saying you can pay six hundred eighty dollars like now we can break it into chunks but the service plan fee is always the same now if you just compare that to the regular way which is some amount up front and the service plan at the end of it like they're just making a huge profit because it because the money that they used to take from your plan to put against the price of the phone now is just profit right because at some point that's second month 18 for edge and about month 12 for next literally whatever sub seated in calculating towards the phone in your plan is now pure profit because you're paying off the phone like you've gone over the amount that they would have paid and like if you're gonna make clear to is like they're saying if you pay off half the phone at least for rises you pay off fifty percent the phones device you can trade it and get the new one early right but none of that subsidize payment you're paying the eighty dollars a month that doesn't count her at all because we can't tell you how much look here's my rule and I put this the end of the verizon piece today if to figure out what 18teen verizon are doing you need an accountant instead of an engineer you're getting screwed that's it that's that's like the simpler good at this they're incredibly good at this and they have this problem where their shareholders this is the the word is called ARPU average revenue per user their shareholders want to see increasing our poop this is true now what's the fastest way to do that the fastest ways to collect more revenue from users now you can do that in two ways you can provide additional services and charge more money for them because they're valuable to people or you can trick people into paying more money for they're already receiving they are clearly like one hundred percent tricking people into paying more money because people want new phones faster and they can play this like three card monte to get that out of that the big thing I think about this is the that's what I was asking earlier it's this is about getting people to upgrade more often it's about harnessing that desire you increase your RP yes yes it is but I'm saying I'm saying like the reason this will probably they'll probably make a lot of money off of this right you if you I pay attention yeah yeah because people want to upgrade their phones more often and right now the the carrier is the way they've set this up like I don't have this problem because I've got t-mobile and I got an iphone 5 but like yeah you know you don't have you don't have service across like I'm sure why it's what I'm saying cut because this because I've set this up as an installment plan where I own this phone at the end of when the iphone 5s comes out I can pay this phone off sell it and use that money towards the iphone 5s so I have kind of taken the power over being able to upgrade more great right right but currently AT&T and Verizon have this setup where they only get people to buy new phones every it look here here's the symptoms like an exciting if you buy your own if you buy your own phone and bring it to a regular planet 18t you're being cheated sure you're straight up being cheated because everybody understands that 18 tease plans are priced to allow you to buy a subsidized and then everyone understands but our listeners okay I'm confident that people who listen to watch the verge cast understand that right you pay six hundred eighty dollars from elmont iphone and go to ATT you're paying some premium to subsidize somebody else's 200 on our iPhone right right the big trick here is that eighteen t is getting you to pay that six hundred eighty dollars without the benefit of owning the phone yourself because when you trade it in at 12 months you're literally get attacked they're trying to create more of you they're going to try to create more suckers like you and Josh who do buy iphones and bring them too great I know that's the thing that's why I'm react Lisa strongly dislike but I'm well aware that I'm being cheated like one hundred percent of where I don't like it because i don't want to pay that premium for a subsidized phone i never by now harnessing like people want to but here's what you should do a tnt you should stop selling phones you should stop charging people at premium you should allow anybody to bring whatever phone they want to your service and want the phone makers compete to bring down the price of phone but just like laptop makers competed to bring down the price of laptops tablet makers have competed to bring down the price of tablets and every other market in the world competes to bring down prices for consumers are raising the value of the products but not to call you a hippie but here's what you're saying 18 capitalist thing I could say it's make less money with what you're doing do this is a way for them to make more money no one's gonna realize they want this plan and they're grandfathered in this is a test of how committed you are to your terrible relationship but yeah you don't a choice what do you mean take this phone you sent six dollars on good oh you can't write right you like you are literally locked into one of these two it they know that they have the biggest and best networks you know which one of them is bigger or better and they do that constantly I'll tell you verizon is bigger and better but I don't use them because their devices are more locked technologically than any other device and I will not pay for that except for my ipad which i pay for because i feel like i'm obligated to pay for all these services or I'm going to criticize them as heavily I do so you're welcome verizon for my thirty dollars a month please just died I'm very angry obviously obviously like it's just such a con it's their take their literally making you pay twice for these phones in the end of two years you will paid twice for that for that gal yes it's okay so it's a total con it's totally terrible right they're gonna make a lot of money and what are we gonna do about it I think you look if edge and next work you will watch these carriers to profits with sore because I there are you will soaring and parcel shot to go buy it unlocked phone and bring it to them because they're winning yeah in verizon today reported earnings they added a million subscribers right there is a lot of like in no ways about whether or not the iphone was going to sell well and like they actually sold more iphones and they anticipated 3.9 million 3.9 set 3.5 said iphones doing fine everybody loves iphones good for us yeah where's the water on them for free right now which a great game very visible very addicting where's my water where's my wallet yeah it's funny cuz uh Brook Lopez who's the center on the Nets once told me about it I was like I'm not playing that game and now it's free and I'm completely diff that is the biggest name-drop I think I've ever heard you did that literally happened I use like a video I did when we did the Barclays center has told me to get this app but I'm poor but i have used to play baldur's i would pay for I until it was free on the on the on the app store this is true happy it's the Barclays Center video as she was like I was like what's yours i know that i was like what sir ok i was like what's your favorite out and he's like when I used my galaxy s4 like it was a very like is that I love where's my water and I was like that's dumb and not participating in your in your you know endorsement lifestyle yes we have the video look I'd like to point out the brook lopez makes me look incredibly short and fat so he won that battle but man that hair I mean are we just looking at it still without you know that's all we got to the picture I mean okay fine no nor picture okay oh man oh no but like so I mean Verizon's continue to gain almost million customers a quarter they're fine they're making a lot of money make a lot of money and the thing is like these networks these devices and these services are not like luxury items they're like necessities to be alive this Paul will tell you right as Poland definitely tell you um do you think this is is um like t-mobile has good ideas and these carriers like hmm t-mobile might be getting an edge on us or like they saw the way t-mobile was doing is like we could tweak that and we can make so much more money yeah you don't think it's not early anyway threat what I saw treats from from from Sascha Segan when they when 18 he rolled out next and is like 18 TS and pretty good accountants because like it just adds if you just do the math a tad like ATT is collecting the full money for a phone that they're already charging you for like it is a price like it's in their sec for so smart they are air they know their plans include some research the wrong line of work I tell you I should definitely I will be joining 18t is and you see ya I'm gonna join the nets as the new center who I'm just gonna stay what Brooke where's your water now yeah all right what's the next and I we don't have to rage about this look I don't know if look t-mobile might suck it sucks I love I don't want to rage about this wait a second well yes a legacy models great like I so I'm like living the my money is where my mind right now I spent 650 doll or six hundred dollars on unlock google play one which is like the thing that I've been wanting forever right right right whatever phone i want with stock i bought t-mobile's plan like no subsidy about the plant exact thing that i wanted which was thirty dollars a month for unlimited data in 100 minutes you have LTE coverage movies sometimes ten percent of the time in New York today also in a second I go home or I go to Becky's house nothing I have this luxury of like because I spend that year without the internet anytime I have the internets like oh this is really cool i have the internet mm-hmm you know and so like an tmobile is that sort of service where you look at your phone this is cool i have the internet right now yeah because like it's anywhere between edge or 4G or LTE within like two blocks right and so um I'm fine with it I'm loving it and i love the price and I'm and I feel so I've always wanted to be on tmobile just to be able to say i want t mobile I'm for years I'm so proud to be a mobile the network to have when it for a year and now it seems like a knowing myself baby before i left the internet and like how frustrating it is when you can't get connection and you want one it I mean I just I I've learned to be okay with not having the internet but t-mobile is your year a full year so everyone wants to go offline for a full year what you can do you'll be ready really she a tmobile but they're also they are expanding their LTE towers though that's it looked you know has a lot of work to do i also i will say John Legere keeps our keeps retweeting me so I'm hoping like that this flirtation will end an interview the basically ask him on a date for like two months yeah the vignetting we got word I got t-mobile and I they were still not quite there just run rolling out their LTE towers but I was at a friend's house we're gonna watch a movie on the roof but her wife I didn't go up to the roof he told me sorry oh I did and so we tethered to my t-mo phone which is on 4g it wasn't an LTE okay and and it uh were fortunate i got me here we go luckily it um and we watched a movie off of amazon prime yeah full bitrate so 2000 kilobits not a single stutter the whole time oh look i'm gonna phone oh yeah you sure you're saying your t-mobile works here yes surely I've got three bars of 4g you need to take that I got remind me she does not need to take the call ha I got four bars of Wi-Fi let me turn this off what's the next thing we're talking the Hyperloop ooh that's fun yes Oh Hyperloop a few bars of LTE bio it isn't do you know how much taught what I heard about hyper let's explain what the Hyperloop is for everybody could get Elon Musk you do that why i run the speed test said that that um he could figure out a way to make make a commuter thing between LA and san francisco and a half an hour right which it works out to about 600 miles per hour he would be something that wouldn't be quite like a train because you could hop on at any time you want to be like it would it be a scheduled thing and it pretty much and that it could be powered with like maybe solar panels along the the the train track or whatever but they key has he's just a big teeth yeah cuz he's like basically defying most of physics and he's tratas really trying he he wants to be Tesla he does this is he where he's like here's my thing that does have a castle masla never let s like here's my thing where I will promise you a thing that will that conspiracy theorists decades from now can I just prefer back I'd you watch for a moment ha t-mobile here in the studio two bars of lto now we're down to h plus network communications issue crash speed test app which by the way is a totally Jack app on Android about two bars in okla should be Okla first of all come on buchla and then totally ashamed of this app in android because it's garbage that's your problem but yet so but uh 1.2 down on LTE when I had it which I no longer have and faster on h plus now 2.8 town and then 18t totally smoked it for down on LTE Wow I will say the Euclid speed test app on the iPhone choice good work koukla choice I know like like everybody everybody basically assumes the Nikola Tesla like came up with like some sort of free energy levitate all sorts of things that the government has suppressed right and I feel like which they did this is one of those things that Elon Musk will sort out like disappear like man like we'll never see him again handsome never see him again this is elaborate decades from now will say man he figured out a way to travel here's guns look up no obvious i can lobbyist was trying to get some high-speed rail saying let me say a suppressor one-eyed that picture looking at I took it was at D in May well you drew I saw I was no I was very free as the live logging solo so right i was drooling but only out of panic because that's the worst uh and he is one of the most charismatic like like obvious visionary people that I've ever heard speak he's alright like you you believe it right he everything that he's done is like people like that'll never work and he just does it like we just did a big a big thing about Hyperloop because there's people have been conceiving of ways to do this sort of travel and his promises are a little bit beyond anybody's like theoretical projections like even like theoretically if you could just clear out all the way in between these things and build whatever you want with all the money could you do this his is argue on a little high on the estimates of well right feed and cost but he it's not physically possible in defy the laws of physics right totally well just years just to what the bestop like it's a summary is like I wouldn't believe this if it wasn't him saying right and so but so just just the scientists the fact the hyper and Russell to the piece which you read which is amazing the basic challenge right is it's like 320 350 miles from LA to San Francisco right so to do that in half an hour the thing has to go 600 miles an hour right because there's some acceleration and deceleration the top and bottom right so something like 600 miles an hour which is twice as fast as the current fastest train so there's like there's the math like and you've got to do twice as good as what we can already do and if they're important I have to reduce air friction so a lot of people think it's some sort of like closed loop try and evaluate them so the air is like the air from the previous car pushes the next car or something bright people don't know well then we know it's like you get really Air drag by creating it in a vacuum which is nothing but eat musk is like this is amazing because like literally we have a diagram from a fan it's like set in comic sans like in our report is all we did like this is the best guess are made in comic sans everything look if you're a scientist you're not using Comic Sans you're not a real scientist this is like a Banaszak this is want to make the science friendly this is Jetson stuff like this is the Jets an elevator on a horizontal plane sure like what was that in a vacuum can I can I tell you I want it to work how you want to work yes you know hot wheel they put you in a giant gun fire the guy Oh hot wheels haha Hot Wheels jumps work I am where you have a Hot Wheel track and it like shoots you out and you go up and you jump on the track but then the landing thing is like it's wider yes I too oops sorry to just for my nars and the car lands on that yeah so so you have a lander that's wide wide mouth lander on each White House wonder how wide by planner at his side shoot the Hot Wheel car my favorite kind of fish I think it's go so you're saying magnets I just I just want to point this out so you want it to work in the hot wheel style which by the way generally ends with like the car like sideways flipped over no maybe if you don't know how to do your hot wheels right no I'm you saying I'm so they doing when you're when you're when you're talking wide enough Lander yeah I'm like I'm gonna drive I don't know my step know if any part of this journey involves a widemouth later pick up that Ferrari spin each wheel they need to have the same you know you can't like you can't use a bum hot wheel on a sweet track little wide mouth led by the way I will tell you this and I'm gonna say this and I know them gonna make some people very angry go for it hot wheels or drank matchbox is where it's at you were such a restoring pasta wait are you still recovering you saying that's like deep dish pizzas are you kidding me okay hey deepa cheese is better it is I don't know what the hell you're sorry it is me hot wheels are made like crap and match boxes like the real I was no I was just in the chicago airport and there was this side driving Hot Wheels everywhere first also the ladies Thank You thing that is exactly exactly what this Hyperloop still don't see there's even a loop wait there wasn't there's a Hot Wheels out that was a loop-de-loop on a highway if anyone in the boot can find it just look up hop hi there was a sign is life in the chicago airport at a restaurant i was at that said it's like bad manners to put ketchup on your hot dog in the city chicago city limits on each card that's the sort of bad thought processes and life decisions that people from chicago made anything Christians like using match racing or do you think it's time that you moved to New York just putting it out there on the broadcast there and if you'd like chris taylor to move to New York now would be an excellent time to tweet at sea power and ask him when he's moving to New York no I'm gonna I'm gonna do is do it right now I'm going to pause to allow our listeners to do such thing don't worry we'll wait why wish my kennel hot dog sacrilege oh whoa are you kidding hey Chicago thing uh matchbox just clearly better than hot wheels I don't understand what world you put ketchup on your matchbooks Clark's magical yes please please put ketchup on all the matchbooks in your home Superman got everything we just want the Grusha cago fire right ever since then we're using her ketchup only to prevent fires a pitch a fresh face to be it's a profitable ever since a great catch of famine of two thousand uh oh poor Kris for Christmas hate to interrupt this with a tech news but uh breaking news just happened Microsoft of course releasing their quarterly earnings right now and uh turns out they took a 900 million dollar hit on the surface RT this quarter well they announced it yes so they just cut the price of the surface right it did yes by 3i like it's like 300 hours now it's ya less'n not even a thing but ya know it's somewhere on there microsoft just announced earnings for its fiscal quarter for 2013 and while the company posted strong results guess what results show a 900 million dollar lost through the surface RT quote inventory adjustments which means no one is buying the damn thing yeah well and they they cut the they cut the price too but this is like be cut the price recently like most others reflects on a projected loss that's a loss that's a loss hmm that's a loss that's uh we've talked at length about the service I mean just at length I mean yeah I think the RT is like a product without a customer right I think it's a really good idea literally yeah well I mean this is I can quantify it now it's like you've been in fillers and like I know the Microsoft people are gonna tell me and I tweeted this last week but I now believe this is true and I don't know why it is I want to find out so like when I piss off the Apple people like they're mad in there like angry and like they have charts and graphs show how everything I say is wrong because Apple like does well every quarter right so like shut up you idiot they're selling more iphones than ever it's like okay that doesn't negate any criticism like that's not how criticism works but you're very loud and you have a graph and the graduates in your favor so there's no arguing with you google people are just like super mean like they're like I'm gonna come to your house and knife you in the back because you don't love open source mm-hmm and that's like when you irritate the Google people when irritate the Microsoft people there so sad that they're like why don't you support our cause why why you don't understand anything about Microsoft you don't understand our pain you don't say how Microsoft has changed when it's like why are you trying to convince me that I've betrayed you mm-hmm because that's how I feel like I'm sorry the the product is bad and that nobody wants to buy a surface RT I really am but just saying it is not an act of betrayal it's just a statement of fact and now i have my own chart and graph and i'd like to present it to you now we don't actually have a chart do it hey i got a chart graph yeah it's a bar chart graph it's the shape of service you know what it's a hard out so there's my chart graph for Microsoft is beautiful but in terms like Microsoft full quarter results I'm just saying I'm sorry that I betrayed you with facts are you I'm sorry that the truth continually betrays you surface RT fanboys hey hey I'm gonna do bootcamp on my macbook air are you Norman is 8 that's really excited you know why I mean I don't know about when did the screen swiping hey we'll do some screen swiping he's just for a game so I don't think I need to do when to say mmm that probably shouldn't do windows why not no just you talking about when it I want it because this leads right into Intel and I think that's really fascinating to right that's the Big Sur let's get to some of the other numbers Microsoft move on to the RT in general Microsoft earned four point nine seven billion off of nineteen point nine billion revenue for quarter for it's actually better year-over-year of course entertainment devices division rested soul this whole thing's been read by is obviously the biggest moneymaker for Microsoft always has well not always has been but it's we do have very pretty charts the other Microsoft quarterly dues at the verge calm it's a very nice but I chart can I Evans or demand work make it so okay nope didn't work okay Evan it doesn't no no no go Evan also not me oh it works there you go this is by division you seen the rights uh yeah no sorry my bad business of course yeah the most intimate of ice to De least next to online cuz entertainment vegetable eat at least no no I'm online in the least yeah I'm on always was at least but like area devices may be other did the least so online is like other online services Reinert a min device is obviously the xbox it used to be the xbox in the zune God rest his soul haha and akin and let's not forget the connect meditating devices was always a series of failures and the xbox and now it's just the xbox with obviously their sales are falling because there's about to be a new xbox right and the cycle and then there's windows and applications res xbox live gold entertainment devices or is that going to today I don't know yeah I'm sure so much why it doesn't much like this is like this divisions like change now right this is like this is nice it's cute but it's a new Microsoft right there's a whole new Microsoft in like they're there now functionally organized right they're going to do they're gonna have an operating systems group and like mm-hmm an xbox reopen like it's our hardware and services group or a hardware in devices group on which is all great but like ultimately the the thing how many reorg have they had in the past five this is no this is this is the big one is the one but one the one Microsoft one microsoft and I won't believe they're organizing like Apple now but like what is like needs to be understood about the surface thing in these revenues in the 900 million dollar Lawson or T is that flat out their attempt to compete with the ipad has failed yes right this first shot got it coming at the ipad his leg utterly failed now but they have a really good job competing with the apple TV they're doing an amazing job for you um it was your shirt right the xbox is good the xbox one yeah well we'll see dude i was so oh my gosh what on the podcast everybody's all like the xbox yeah all the podcast being you me and josh you ain't the person you're talking to I don't know like we don't i don't i'm not on pod guys very often now anymore so I don't know what I told you my area that you're unstuck in time have I mentioned this to you that's right I think you like you like blip in and then like you're here and like you say awesome things and I clip out nobody knows where you are and you like put back in mm-hmm that is true sometimes you're in the future sometimes in the past mm-hmm many times you're in a firefight and rents it Preston that's literally the yeah i know i'm just a lot not mad I'm just very happy I'm doing a lot of like a tray you work and never even the story yeah okay what were you saying on the blog about the icebox well no I'm just saying like day they went too far non-gamer and it's fighting them in the ass well the only hardcore gamer non gamer in general but yeah but I mean but you know after e3 man i'm i am way out unstuck of time but uh way too late for this analysis so we can move on we should move on okay so this is like leads us right into Intel right look um the xbox one will probably great but ultimately it's gonna do fine the next Vadhu great christmas is coming ways give me happy everyone will be everyone will be happy nobody will write it in christmas is coming by the way the most ominous thing you can say the most positive way mm-hmm anyway um they'll be fine but this iPad thing the surface RT thing is a bad like they can't sell them there's nobody who wants to buy a Windows computer that isn't windows right it isn't the whole deal so windows 8 1 is out brought some stuff back I think the the that will be where they focus their efforts because that should be where they focus their efforts and on top of that intel announced earnings was yesterday did before and their CEO is like we're gonna focus all of our efforts on the mobile now which is like five years later Intel's like Oh things that move around mmm right that's the one that's a so you talked about Haswell bunch obviously but they're bad about that for so long but no but their bet now I think with Haswell in particular is why convertible laptop e tablet things which I'm not a two-way but I I didn't see one that's good i will do want to say thank you intel for this thing is that you had a new one this is the new macbook air 11-inch 11 inch I run so much starcraft so much Diablo I can't even run like some windows games in wine and I'm going to put friggin boot came out here I can run do you ever run it's here I don't know maybe like a word processor an email client that connects you with your co work nope just around let me look at my dog I've got notes at messages reminders but i'll put her i'll put a robot maybe the lovers you wanna know how that book is coming yeah i got a reminder to pick up the Garland's burn do you never forgot you know you don't poke burn and unstuck in time it's jimmy book a book Joe did bug burn the ass yes you have a professional website now I made a website did is it the vertical space ranger it's a it's so if you like not explained here if you're listening this an audio by the way Chris has no idea why hundreds of people have asked me moved to New York which is amazing I'm good we should all just go again yeah well we're time full weight so he sees tweeting his confusion which is amazing Paul what yeah what do you think Microsoft should do I just get Microsoft and Intel her like they're obviously like in the weeds right I well I think um I guess we're probably going to talk about this in a bit but like by the way that comment was like a little please don't email me about how Microsoft is in the weeds I know that they're doing fine i know that many of their businesses will succeed I know that you're gonna call me epithets regarding my gender my sexuality my personal hygiene all these things I've been questioned by you all of them are the true jerks who view this program then read my writing but let me tell you man ipad doing really well microsoft stuff yeah and like just deal with it like they've got to solve that problem I don't know how they're gonna solve that problem maybe you like their products maybe you don't I don't I think they should solve that problem how are they gonna solve that problem I think they need to make a new kind of product think about right right now right now Microsoft's biggest success that I think the reason why the xbox one could still probably do super well despite all this bad PR while everybody realizes like it yeah is xbox live yeah right which was a new super innovative super incredible really well done thing microsoft hasn't done the big new thing in a long time they've been doing you know they've been imitating trying to play catch-up and I don't think when you're up against people like you know say if your Samsung and Apple you're knocking them you know you're not going to imitate and play catch up faster than Samsung and Apple we can make what they're going to make right and I think Samsung is winning and phones because they are new thing was we are going to make phones that are too large and people will somehow like that right and and you know Apple is obviously pretty famous for its various new things and microsoft needs a new interesting thing i think you know i think it's probably wearables but you know I've talked about this a million times but Microsoft has a research division that has some really interesting stuff that they don't utilize and they need to like they need to go all in on it and really really you know do something that's it they need to invest heavily in something you don't think that that that's why they're so heavily focused on like the Xbox one like I mean cuz they really are right that's where like they're putting a nice show much emphasis on xbox now I think there is enough technology in the xbox one to do some really interesting things that people haven't been able to do before in their home like like be able to you know the even the fact that it's always listening being able to like you know we should I talk about that to say something and how do you feel about that happens is it as a strident anti-government activist yeah there is that I'm finally know if any personal bird chef is gonna like leave the grade and become a survivalist it's Paul it's not because I'm scared of the government I'm scared of what's inside but you know with the new kinect there's too much rage with the new connection see exactly what is inside you hello uh-uh it's okay I would never rage against another Miller or what I would rage against Russia Oh but yeah it's like the connect though I mean it does like it's more powerful it's always there for any living room oh let's say on the couch oh my god digna new Moto X always listening that's all in your pocket all these things need yeah all they need is you go settings preferences I think you can turn bad always on then you're fine but that's like there's an option but what everyone is like don't share my chit with the government right like that's like turn off again in like maybe like a secondary option it's like stay on but leave and I say no but if you read the contract like thee will you know they will trump right if need to know so we have the same problem so somebody wrote me an email in Lauren Fisher our general counsel email and it was like hey I read your terms and conditions it was great and you should do that yes please go read our privacy policy and there's a line in there that's like what do we do with your data it's like we take these jealously protect your data we take all the precautions or security right but if the government comes calling like sadly one of the prices of being a business is that you have to comply with the law and the law says you have to do stuff right so it's like will protect your data up until we have to like that we have two is like a big deal and that big deal it's like not and I get it so like Microsoft has the same problem google has the same song saying even if Microsoft was totally goody-goody about this they are capturing data that you really don't want to cover right be and there's like a and there's like a real possibility that one of the things I could do is be like well Mike you know like well the xbox is sitting there in your living rooms connected to Microsoft server system always listening all right that's like just turn over here's what you don't like it but here's the big if the big benefit having always if there's like it's like a cost-benefit analysis right it's like I don't want to be spied on but if I turn this on with them spy on me or like turn it on let Microsoft listen everything happens or like Google with everything this happens i get x y&z benefit from those benefits are going to start to stack up right like having a phone that's always listening to you would be really useful right I think that's awesome also but but what I mean what's like that was a future right now start our buddies not create features that could you know theoretically be you know I think I think if you're gonna start I think they like the our government and society needs to catch up with reality of voice so I weird like I want to trust Google which whatever maybe I don't I want to trust Microsoft which whatever maybe you don't same with Apple Facebook whatever what I don't want to do is take my trust of those companies and then have it imputed into some trust of the government well I so I think this is a policy issue and I think if you have any you shouldn't build the stuff that out races the policy like I know that's in danger no no no well here's you should build a bill but like I don't acts like a huge danger because you can't like when we asked a question like can the NSA use your xbox one camera to watch you all the time like nobody knows the answer so we don't know right we definitely could if that bothers you and and I difference between will they and could use like yes really shake if if if could they or will they if either we get a quick quote clip of Ian Malcolm if either of those don't talking about I went Jurassic Park yeah that's what I want can we play that right now for the people if either of those really bother you should not you should turn this set this thing off all right really and I but you I can ask I don't like you can't be like you can't present to the normal let's stop talking look at all these benefits stop talking about the the world and normals and consumers I Paul Miller survivalist survivalist what my xbox one bit like my phone to be listening to me so that I can ask him questions and to because I'm alone in the woods all the times as I pop in and out of time I would just like to know where I am I don't want to hold down the button on my iphone to activate Syria I just want to pick up my phone and talk to it I want to like do those things and those are cool interesting features and and from that capability will come a lot of time instead of innovation agree with you so so like I do company should not stop doing this they should probably very we made a way to exhibit I think they're doing the right now or maybe where they're like we can't talk about this we'd love to talk about it we can't talk about it like if you're gonna build the camera that's always listening to you being clear you need to straight-up be like I agree with and then like we will we will fight the government when the NSA guys calling they are not like they're kind of sort of saying it they're like we're gonna file a lawsuit or like you know but they need a straight-on night when able puts out the phone and good like these are companies that I mean it's kind of hilarious like Microsoft is like literally running like the scroogled campaign about how Google is always watching you and I'm gonna camera in your home that's always listening to you that's kind of the internet like Google has enough problems with like how much data could look like they're about to put out a phone that's literally always listening and broadcasting information at Google like if they're gonna do that they need to preemptively say we're gonna we're gonna fight to make sure this data stays with us now there's some point at which you want the bat like great bad guys have a connect I would love I love for lawmakers to be able to flip on the camera and watch the bad guys they're all right bad guys have a cell phone there should probably some be some way for the cops like monitor that guy but all of that stuff has to happen in like very clear very transparent very like this is what we did there was a judge involved the government had to argue like stuff this stuff that you're used to I do not have that stop it saturday is important but i do not want them to stop the innovation right so i mean it also just as a whole more reading if you wanna check out this later sean hollister was a great piece about why we're arguing over this can the NSA use microsoft expects want to spy on you the evidence being or the the reason we talked a talk to us in the first place was because we found out the government was probably using skype video private skype video sessions or we're tapping into those so if Microsoft has given them that or like if they've got into that somehow could the same thing happens is always on connect yes so you really check out the piece it's a great piece you should okay he's informed I'm gonna stop yelling the next thing I'm gonna be happy about Detroit has filed for bankruptcy now Roy we're not we need to talk about this but other choice but have you be mad at me like are you happy the Detroit overrated madam I never so today bad um Danny Detroit Wow let's talk about one place where Microsoft could innovate Paul you mention this earlier talk about Microsoft allegedly testing a quote translucent aluminum SmartWatch sir that's impossible because aluminum is not trying to did say quote that means one else I did not mean don't get mad at me when I say quote all right I'm completely absolved to blame maybe it's a translucent / aluminum well translucent / aluminum just be safe yeah if we just say punctuation out loud we're okay that's right right that's the same thing like if you if you if you're talking to your xbox one out loud right and you insert some JavaScript inject code to mess up the NSA servers then you're safe for whatever you want to say after that yes Xbox pseudo let me watch Netflix alone sudo make me stay was there so there's there to wearable stories one is the surface washer the one I came out today was Apple secret i watch team uh there were some rumors about who was being staffed on it us obviously small device and fitness experts this seems kind of obvious to me yeah like they're all gonna make a watch this is me right so obvious to me for a long time to watch will always be watching you I'm really excited who will watch the watch watchmen they already a night I'm so sorry I'm tired steer from yeah you really and you should really go I really should uh no look they're all gonna make watch an Apple Google Microsoft right and like that's great I think these rumors are right now ever that it's this is the thing that can make I think they're all they're all trying to do TV stuff I've said this 100 times yeah well trying to do TV stuff they can't because there are TV companies TV companies suck right but they there are no TV companies in the watch business but it's also like it's awesome like consumers like they don't buy TVs that often but they'll buy watches and at least the idea is like you can probably get someone to buy come on or watch very often I think this is a similar moment to like coming out with the ipod I mean I think you're in this ipod I think you're in this the same sort of moment where there are there are a few the ipod a few horrible mp3 players out there and they're really Jenky and i've got these weird and menus that you have to use like d pads on and it's real you know real pain and then you can come out with something that's at actually really elegant solution and really beautiful and really easy to use in a ton of people I maybe not at the scale of the ipod ipod because you have a lot of these kiddos already in your phone here's years i think here's there is going to be so here's the major difference when the ipod came out the competitors were like the rio create if the nomads no but they were junk yep okay another where's uh this is this is a great product I'm so proud of them this is the other pebble I can like Tetris great goodness I mean but this this is a real equivalent to what a knowledge they have been Rio equivalents this is actually like a so much better it could be better oh you do what it just missing what the pebble is missing is like software support right when iOS 7 comes out the pebbles going to get way better like straight up like they dripped a lot of the stuff in iOS 7 when the next version of pebble app for Android comes out or Google builds in the deportees Android and no offense I think this is great but this is going to look like the creative Rio compared to the next generation of smart watches so here's what i've heard about the apple one is it right now it has battery life problems because they're trying to like make it run a full operating system with like a full color screen which is why the pebble has an e-ink screen now I'm not saying Apple can't solve those problems they they certainly do not with the iphone 5 but they've made other products with good battery life but like that's like the trade-off like you can only build a battery so big and a device that small right I don't disagree that all of the products from big manufacturers will like be nicer be built better this one's a good at that's this is what that was quite good a new innovative thing like as great as Kickstarter's gotten you and you have a company that can put billions of dollars behind rd on something yeah you can get pretty awesome stuff it's true i mean like that that's the famous ipod nano story of getting that you know real sourcing that really small hard drive to all of a sudden you know or ipod mini what's right you know I think I said maybe maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm using old think for how companies are able to innovate maybe Kickstarter is the answer but I really believe that that you know these three companies have a chance to make something really amazing that's going to be pretty steep for companies really Samsung no I look I think this is like I agree with you this is like did there I mean it's like the ipod in that there are products that exist none of them are good enough for the mainstream but the products it existed in the ipod moment were like a universally garbage right her but they were garbage like I had a lot of them like that what was the no ma'am you know that was a literal like they took a double spin shell the hard drive in it and like super glued it shut do the not agree oh that's what it looks so good I enjoy how to Rio a the Rio had a nekkid by 64 megabyte backpack that was it was quite literally slid off it only cost like four hundred dollars oh there we go screen that's Apple slide from the screen and I could like that mean that's a slide of garbage my one per second pearl jam mp3 is I got from limewire these sound it's still good on that god I had a lot of really bad mp3's yeah there's a reason I went to law school I want a nap sure I don't want to listen to all my music via mini disc I love it if we deliver these players is not like a slashed alternate reality where everything happens on mini disc there's an episode of seaquest dsv do remember this way like what the ticket and was no no fuss find it internet just my next you know it sucks wow we got a couple options you can I to do and I'll leave it to you choose your own room the one mini the myford lawsuit or Netflix and the Emmys well let's talk about those netflix is simple yes Lex was nominated for a bunch of Emmys for house of cards and rest development right listen cards is super notable cuz it's all it's obviously it and it's a Netflix show right three no no they got 99 promise for house a car clean the big ones which is best drama just Actor Best Actress like these are the ones like yeah every drama like goes for this is the first time an online-only show has been nominated and they got three of them Hemlock Grove verse development in house of cards right into the nominations big deal for netflix not the biggest channel of course Fox as 19 everyone else is like 40 hundred whatever 40 a hundred i think uh HP i was like a hundred seven yeah 44 you look if you look at like the other companies a game CZ yeah it's like that make sense dozens if not hundreds of dollars and then like Kevin Spacey Owen best factor I don't know um up against he's up against who was it i think jon hamm bryan cranston's ruff ruff well actually if you want to like wandering out for saying I think Bryan Cranston not this year because then thanks for long well no cuz the next season's could be the finale yeah make sense so they'll be the next Emmys I don't know I mean maybe tough it was good though I liked I liked the house of cards did you like it I did I thought it got a little silly I still don't understand the episode where they went back to school you know where they say her as a musical I've said where they let him back to school they thought about math know when they are in his college like I don't understand that that was a weird it felt like they had a lot of really good ideas and then they just they were a little because they didn't have to present ever every episode is like a right thing because they knew there was rewatchable I felt this way about a rush development too yeah kind of like the rest development works better way better the second time around actually Aaron Aaron Sorkin this is not like it is really to Netflix problems from something else with newsroom like he finished season one before the first episode aired and I was like well it kind of sucks then like some places but I can't fix it now right and Netflix that's always gonna be the problem because it relieves everything at once everything has to be done before it looks at him with most TV the wreckage on linear yeah yeah okay I think it's great i think boosters are great like a rest development i watched through the first time and I was like yeah and then I watched the second time like oh this I I get it there's like a thousand jokes here for me to see right but i understand that retinol is only good on the second watch like you can't make people commit to 60 hours i know why man the first time through right maybe I have a typology is great I think you watch house of cards like it's great and they're re watches are even better cuz you see all the pieces like mmm I feel like there's too much TV right now yeah I feel like the movie box you much good stuff the movie box office is pretty easy tanger Pacific rain you should still got like one or two there's a one or two movies you could maybe want any week what one move you have to see a month right everyone talked about there's too much Tino Jeter said box office made me think of fact like oh you don't leave I went on ax 3d I take lost twenty dollars dollars is this a chilling vision of a near future if that future is movies that make no sense that we all believe are good then yes dude it was awesome it was on over first of all it was awesome in a sense that it was a movie about robots punching dinosaurs yes and the literally it's at one point they like Betty retcon dinosaurs into the movie no these monsters they were the dinosaurs like also spoiler thank you it's that is this far okay so let me clear by the way I spoil pacific rim by saying it was robots punching dinosaurs which is all that happens in neutral i betray myself I warn you with us for the first 10 minutes tells the entire story and goes okay you know the story yeah beer either of you there's review the new time what was it there's a yogi thurs com well there was that review and it was good review but there is review in the New York Times I remember where was uh but it was like that first part of the movie would have been an awesome movie we're like monsters attack the world and you have to figure out how to stop them run a solution is giant robots and like in Pacific Rim they're like and that's over now here the credits it's 50 years later and the robots didn't work and it's like oh that sucks what about the cool movie we had to build the robot I think if he made that movie it would have been terrible you know why okay what is it around two-thirds or that movie like you know we need we humanoid android robot scientist or say we just like the inventor and the base bag we punch a lizard yes you need the inventor in the base when he was like i have the i have the plan the solution was there all I was like a German which is why they call john yaegar in ya writings like if you want to kill a monster you have to build a monster I mean that would have been an awesome first movie and this movie could've been like the fifth movie I'm right okay your stuff it's like you try to a second of all you're trying to add storage too fast and furious this is what you're trying to do I always like okay so here's my second quibble Pacific Rim and I just to point this out if you think about pacific rim for even 30 seconds okay you're like wait a minute there's a hole in the ocean that spits out monsters wait why that's the truth like that's the there's a hole in the ocean spits on monster that's not a spoiler that's in a trailer okay so here's the peaceful verbal here's what they decided to do quibble here's how they decided to handle the whole me oh there's good people go get really far away from it robots you need big let me just ask you a question just if your solution to solving the whole that spits out Monsters is to build a wall mmhmm yeah where should you build that wall your issue don't swallow you close to the monster hole or far away from the monster hole you're are you you should build it as close to the monster hole as possible so that if the monsters get through the wall then you have some like notice baby you have another wall is good we'll just build it right off the coast of Hong Kong York that way if the monsters get you it'll be fine when ripped off half of the screen at my movie theater that's the only sort of complaint you can level at a robot movie you know robots versus lawyers what you need large you need large problems yeah somebody punched me in the face when I sat down to watch this movie yeah or like around a strip and she see it the highway was dressing me sepia tone sierra you're hoe does horo did not when he was mapping out the part of this movie he was like part of it will be well decommission the robots to build a wall he should have thought to himself what would that what would people do there's a hole with monstrous where should be the wall close to the closer to what monster ho far away if the monster hole I would argue that nine out of ten dentist would agree that you should build a wall close to the monster hole okay so if it fails you're still like you're like square one not like the wall fail that now Sydney is gone can we just start this trail that you love spoiling this little horsy that satisfy you you want me wholesale I'm telling you sorry you were going to pacific rim for the plot you were doing it wrong i'm telling you that's that's definitely not a spoiler yeah hundred percent not a spoiler just not a spoiler don't worry about it this is what going to this year here's a ears of Pacific Rim spoiler I don't know if I can ever see at the end of the robots win or do you think what what what else you should go see it you should see in 3ds you may all the money in the beginning okay so let's talk about then something very small the HTC One I wanted to do like a walk off the set thing is gonna be really cool well we have to talk about technology cubes there's one more thing listen yeah this is the last thing is today it's very small as the HTC one mini it's a 4.3 literally very smooth we're going to complete our direction what it's it's tiny ok so this dad is very happy this would not have been small years ago it's 4.3 inch device but now it's mini it's mini it's kind of funny the iphone eyes like a 4-inch display and a she's like look at her mini fan but it has us it has a as what is this heaven 20p yep did it mean I fun it's a slower processor though they H yeah okay sometimes they say no copper because if there's a competition can we play this video can we put your hands on video the hands amazing we offer mine with on you it's great with audio cuz we say the guys like in that stage you see one mini it has no compromises invites like except for the compromises you listed please play the thing that boy it's great know the guys like oh she ever saying big robot eyes like whoa yeah it's in with boy it's the mini robot look oh I'm saying Snapdragon Liz explain the Pacific Rim just blatantly steals from top gun over and over again it is very homoerotic at times well there's there's that there's also the like do mean it's literally it's like it's it's like they on they understood that the the Rio and top gun wasn't like as important to people right so i will make that guy as important by connecting their brains you know it's like that's like what happened yeah that was like a popgun man Betsy the trailer Betsy the trailer you're back online you see trailers look all I'm saying to you just look pacific rim is Top Gun only goose and maverick sprains are connected all right the more then I usual brothers they're literally their brains are connected you trace the paths of life you see if you're not spoiling everything cuz it's only one path of light you're slowly created a composite image I can wish I removed it's like the movies invisible but I keep throwing paint at it so now you can see it yeah they were saying look here's my final thing it's like Top Gun only goose and maverick sprains are connected just think about that just think about that as please besides ever yes goose goose again to you in the reboot of Top Gun Shia LaBeouf movie goose and actually no just as a spit with Ross's bottle we've destroyed Ross uh just a shovel dirt on my youths two more Shia LaBeouf illegally maverick oh I guarantee like the filmmakers be like that the chins item could be goose no no chant jub Iceman what is Ryan really on it wine rounds me good Iceman what about four look at it looks whoever Lord's words Senate both him Rosalie you there now it's too many does another him too many Hemsworth's no that's too many punky leading men did stop gun when and tribal buff yeah it's a lot of honking man and child we're done that was the Virgin yeah we can't go on a friend so sorry in conclusion 18teen verizon are screwing you mmm shia labeouf not as hunky is channing tatum or Thor we don't have this clip about cop I really can we see the keys to the base t1 minions one no now we don't don't we should watch it's amazing go to the book states it's in our video player right now is that it's exactly as neil i spoilt it described it that's kind of spoiler not that one don't care about other ah Hey look so that video of the hands on is just like Top Gun only Vlad and the guy for HTC their brains are connected those top gun you can check it out yes you should tweet it Chris again to move to New York at Z power uh xu power I'm reckless I'm gonna Roscoe noe Paul I'm stuck in Tel Aviv involved future Paul future but also pass Paul and present Paul don't forget on the verges on break all week we have top shelf on Mondays san diego comic-con we're there right now we're having a good time you'll see videos and cover to that very soon yeah and what versed cast at the first column wanna yell at us yeah that'd leave us a comment if you you know you people goodbye rock and roll you