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hey and welcome verge cast for the week of july 29 2013 I'm Josh Topolsky i'm ross miller i'm david pierce yes that's true you are those people there's no denying you're not wrong i can tell you something i don't know a lot of things is that true but i know that you are the people that you just said you are that is true I'll take that there's no question about that this is great except except except one time David David dropped his hahaha dropped his wallet on the floor and then ID came out of it that had a different name and it was from innocence from but it was from Michigan it was a Michigan ID with a different name Allison technically he knew because oh I don't know what's going on my hair I look like a I've got it look like a young Republic versus bingo play I got a floor I got this I got this like weird like Tucker Carlson hair happening it's like Tucker Carlson hair and I'm wearing like a navy blazer this like this works brother Tucker crimes happy I might as well be on on fox news right now tonight Obama you can't trust them okay Eddie how uh all right hold on a second so anyhow this is the verge cast and if you've been if you have been talking to you the person watching if you've been depressed that there hasn't been enough gadget chat on the verge cast recently you're in luck get in get ready for an experience you will be telling your grandchildren about about how you wasted your life watching a web series a Webby Award web a webby award winning i don't think the verge did the virtual yeah oh did oh yeah you're right you just have so many i can't i can't keep all you know what web eme Oscar you know you can't really you know where you got it once you ego where did you write anyhow this is the verge cast and we have a where dine over on the there's just a bunch of news I don't know how to phrase it there's a bunch of news that just happened much motorola news yes and and we got you something we brought hey we're holding a moto x this is the new the new motorola flagship smartphone by the way for people asking designed and assembled in the USA right so i tweeted like a phone made in the USA is pretty interesting you have to admit something like that and then people are like a maid or assemble and it's like well so there's a lot of different components in here obviously many of the components are from China and other countries but presumably there are components in here that are also you as I said like that the gorilla glass is us minutes yesterday there's stuff from sixteen states and then countries all over the world yes I think it's mostly yet like Corning isn't yeah this are there is there RT I have stuff in here I don't know maybe anyhow Qualcomm I don't know where their stuff but it is it is a symbol than what Fort Worth Texas amber the fort worth texas which is interesting so I'm open city but I've never opened this you guys ready I've not opened this this is unopened still sealed still actually has a little flap on the side look at any close-ups of them are we can you see I just open ethical moment that's how it opens oh there it is in there there's a phone clearly we're not singers what color is this is a boring black phone you guys had all kinds of colorful phones just the one here just just oh you got this colorful phone well you know we're swapping I just want you to death seems here oh here it is it's the new let me take the stupid stick girl wait is how you texting and driving it can wait all the time all this time I've been texting and driving feeney there was no time to lose that's how you teach tiny ha unboxing this right now we haven't done once the last time an unboxing was done on anything that we were in long ago I think we have a line but along they wouldn't vine launched we did inaba do we did a vine unboxing pics that can you learn box so let me so let meet still let me to say so let me just save so here's the galaxy s4 by the way this is significantly smaller right like like really a lot tomorrow you probably can't see this hold on but this is not useful to any but it's a significantly smaller phone um it feels really solid this is great these are my first hand I've never done it it firsthand also is a in the box as an instruction manual in case you don't know how to use a phone there's that this is so thrilling i'm pretty sure in the guide in the reviewers got they gave us one of the things it says is if you've never set up a smart as a micro USB cable and i'm not gonna lie to you uh i think this is a great texture here wonderful design of the various sides the plugs of this particular microUSB i would i give this a nine strong high sign if it's not made by monster on uh there's this there's this which this thing oh they did this actually that's actually in this motorola motoroi oh thank you so motor rola ships with their droids they ship these dual USB a what are they call adapters power adapter sorry these are awesome because you can plug two things in at once which is an incredible idea so that's gets a nine and then there's there's also this tiny what's in here it's a condom that's a very small condom for your phone it is a sim tool a look at this fresh sim 12 this looks surgical look at King get at you see an enormous and get for this tool like something you'd use in us in a surgery like your you're like I gotta take your blood yeah oh yeah like yeah you're doing a TB test yeah yeah okay anyhow that's a lot of packaging you're right kind of wasteful not very eco of them um anyhow so that obviously this stuff is all not that important but so let me get back to the phone so this is the news of the day by the way besides the Edward Snowden got asylum in Russia yep but yeah the story about the leaker know that we have a great that's true we have a great interview with Stanley Kubrick's wife yes there's a lot of you should look really really good also we redesigned slightly redesigned our homepage today bunch of new stuff on it really added new video widget which you might be watching this from yeah management anything's better it's been the load times have been improved significantly I'm told by developers god yes um okay so anyhow so the phone feels pretty nice I haven't turned it on or anything you should see that oh they put the power button up there huh oh wait it's at on now okay it wants me to use English as the language so what's the deal with this is not stock Android no no it's for 22 even the little Basin version of Android I don't get it where the buttons here no buttons on all software also offer about um I don't know I could get used to this but it's kind of a mid-range phone right I mean it is it is and it isn't like i'll tell you the wrong type this right now just from feeling it and pressing this button it makes it really makes the galaxy s4 hardware feel like crap it does like like just in a one second I just I just powered it down and that just the feeling of the button and the heaviness and the solidness of this is like night and day right so this one we got the test account I don't think we have touchless on there if you want to go ahead and set up your voice just live on yea what does that mean like that ok Google now stuff how do i do they just set it up so you have to go to settings settings Oh a lot of work there's a lot of work the screen does not look very good to me so far looks a little oversaturated uh man Oh eighteen eighties dress me on here is that for real fo real that's got to be oh no is it that he removed a meeting somebody tell dieter all right what am i doing so no need to set up what am i doing touchless control what am i doing it's gonna tell you how to say here we go here we go this is the most boring broadcast ever in the history of broadcast uh ok I have to be in a quiet room here we go really shut up ok you have to be quiet it actually said that it was noisy on using look it says that it's noisy thats thats quiet i don't know if you can see that now it says quite ok Google now I didn't it didn't work i guess uh huh ok Google now that would work got it ok it likes it ok Google now I really like that worked ok here we go ok Google now boom I know I didn't oh ok now it says it says try it out say ok Google now help me oh you said it I did ok Google now help me nice as hi there says hello pack it'll help me wait no wait hold on too many uh it helped me did I did it okay to help me is what it read and here's the uh here's I don't know what this quick came up here the first thing is from scroll fans com help me choose growth is my starter deck but clicking okay I don't this is obviously some sort of game um so now what now what do I do I mean that's any other touchless control is happening now what do I do how do i act now like give me your phone well II got out that phone let's pretend this is yours right now yeah now now say ok Google now ok Google now you got you know yeah say hello wash why am I so impressed by that give me that um but here's the other thing if we start screaming it it won't do it right nothing I don't believe it let's try ok Google now ok Google now how's my hair google now don't think you can start with that list you I mean really smart I wanna tell you ok Google now is the verge the best website ever it totally got that perfectly right it said no she's not willing to answer well I'll tell you what came up our Wikipedia entry and then the 50 best websites of 2012 yes it did from time com we respected a respected publication unlike the verge ok fair enough ah well that's pretty cool i have to say but i i'm i mean you know only time will tell if it's as cool as we think do you actually want to use that though feel like all I you say before I do nothing I don't talk to my phone a lot yeah right I don't do a lot of transcription I have in the car you know when I've had to to look something up or get a phone number or call somebody I definitely used that function and there's a thing like it knows when you're in a car when you're going certain speed and no like cater some the Android experience to that yeah so that's that's kind of nice it'll like throw a lot of like bright flashing light to you exactly a bunch of siren noises so you driving alessi driving ran right right I like starts like flash like flashing the the the thief camera sketches I was a camera on this avicii checked out turning out alright so let's talk let's talk about let's get real for a second okay get into real talk by the way this chair is definitely weird lilo I don't know why you wanna rates so so so we asked and we did a big feature on on the Moto X and we and we are we had a query which was can the save motorola and you know what would what is saving mode what a saving motorola mean well i would say at this point what is motorola need to do in order to be saved whatever that means uh and and does it have anything to do with a phone see I I don't know cuz to me it's like this is proof that my role is no more than like a Google incubator now Google doesn't care we got your patents make something you like you know like I don't think Motorola's bottom line matters to them at least for the next year so well but I mean they don't like losing money do that he does no one want to lose money right there the droids but at the same time it's it's but the droids aren't making them money I mean they're not they're not getting their not breaking even with the droids no but in a right it's been a right down for for google for it's like a rounding error for Google on the site it's not good to lose money but for them right I feel like Motorola is one of their moon shots well the word I can be great if they took over but if not and we go I think Google has this incredible sensitivity about making their other hardware partners feel that they somehow our giving special treatment to Motorola or anybody but I feel like at this point with what the way Samsung is carrying on you know with the way Samsung is operating I don't think it would be crazy for them to say look we're gonna do a special phone with Motorola it'll be one of many devices available that's kind of what this is except it's not right yeah I mean how much interaction is they have a Google on this it didn't seem like much like I think they said like there's a an employee share program that's 70 google employees decided to try i just woke up by the way for some reason I don't know what they just did just maybe it's active notifications like it kind of shows you something yes that's not how to lie up no not an LED so what it does is it's that's the only reason that an AMOLED screen is any good is what it does is it lights up just the portion of the screen you need it so now if you Tom on it it'll let you open right into animations or show it to you what's not doing it just showing me the time Oh congratulations now you know what time ok Google now why are you just lighting up the screen for no reason that totally worked it's super weird just like a screen for no reason is what it is what I thought I said that makes sense it's so close mmm and yet so very far but I don't think motorable needs saving right now no Sarah I think they're in a place where they can do this experiment I don't think hit a huge loss for it yeah well I mean I just don't I just don't know you know is this this is not a it's a 720p display with it what's the CPU it's a Snapdragon s4 pro with to figure out the x8 compare that to compare that to the galaxy s4 worst of the worst it's considerably slower yeah so I mean to me it's taught it seems like a tough sell why not make this a flagship phone could they not get the margins you think it's the margins that they couldn't do a flagship phone and do it made in America assembled in America no I i honestly believe motorola when they say they could have done all these other things but what they did was they wanted to build a phone that was the size that it was like to hear them talking about it they basically designed a shell and then figured out how they fill it in the rest way right but they also want to design a phone that has really good battery life right and i think they decided wrong or right that having you know a 5-inch 1080p screen is not better enough over the 4.7 inch 720p to be like a real meaningful difference the the screen on the one is 4.7 yeah and it looks incredible oh it's amazing yeah like so leaps and I mean I think the question is you know who is this for and do they care I mean to me it seems like it is targeted much more at the the iphone sort of the general consumer the iphone market if you go right and last at obviously less at the enthusiast but right but so is the galaxy s4 so is the one I mean those are targeted the general consumer those guys aren't trying to make you know niche phones that that uh nobody you know that only nerds by or whatever that's not the problem is there's this you know this wonderful idea of having like the default android phone where it's like if you don't want a certain phone this is just the phone that you buys and in that way it becomes sort of like the iphone right I'd like you said that is for that phone I think galaxy s foreign maybe recently the one right which which I have to say like it when I've been out with the one somewhere in public or when laura has them or somewhere people are like is that the one I've heard about that like they know about people known and they're asking about they're really interested I see a lot of them to I'm always surprised by how many I see I think they've gotten some traction on it i mean i really do you know but but but the thing is it so how does this fit into that you know it's a it's the same price it is the same price right it's about the same I mean what is that what is the s for sale for 199 or 299 yeah I think they're all want to gather all 19 right so depends on the care same price so to a consumer they're just gonna look at a price question uh but that is this a friendlier looking more comfortable phone for people and I would argue versus the one yes for most people they're not going to notice the screen difference they're not going to care for the process difference the price makes a little screen name is getting really aesthetic for fashion the screen really looks astoundingly bad to me I mean I can't tell for sure but just on a side-by-side comparison you know it's it's even to the s4 which is an AMOLED screen yeah uh you know it doesn't look I'm not in love here right they look similar could be it could be a brightness question you know i will say that when you get to into the range of 720 and 1080 on a screen of this size there's not a huge resting just as far as pixel density and yeah i think the amal that is a much bigger problem than the fact native 720p me to take a look at some email side by side here this is thrilling stuff this is the Virgin I this is thrilling email well it's a lot less blue than the than the s4 display I'll tell you that what did john say when he was filming it I think he just cried mostly at all times that he just couldn't even look at it why is that John so you know how Neil I hate screens john is a muni like crazy i'll say this they look at the colored variation between these two john just said in the headset it's disgusting disgusting how look at the color variation between these two stories so much less like that looks like more pure like white and grey this actually looks this call it is more natural but who knows who could really tell you got a ver jap on here well that's like what you just said is kind of what Motorola's hoping everybody says which is you know maybe it's better a little but most people don't really notice and the thing for me is like if I hand my mom the galaxy s4 I don't know why keep talking about my mom yeah I know I don't know either she called her mom lately no not in too long hi mom uh let's see here can I can I also hi mom can I can't disable 18p address book so catch you later that won't be a perfect music google phone would never kowtow to like cares Motorola's like fine let's let's play but they're gonna do a google play they're gonna do a google play edition of this phone yes soon they say they're doing a Google Play version of this which is a carrier agnostic LTE device I assume uh i believe so whatever whatever the most recent Google Play version do you think it'll keep the voice the always annoys functionality because well I'll say this the the the one keeps beats right right and the s4 works with like some of their special covers maybe there's something there's something they were talking about the touchless thing being hardware driven like it's one of its part of the x8 is right yeah that's why they built the x8 right so like did you know comes past the same processor probably will yes I hope so yeah I mean honestly once you get into the realm of stock Android or just these kind of the more modern android phones it's tough to I mean I was using the one the skinned one and yes it had 18 address book and was very annoying but at this point I mean I think Samsung is still like in enormously bad it software design right in terms of look and feel at least yeah god yes but like the one and this seems almost stock and then the stock stuff I mean there's the variation is is very minimal yeah point right but this this reminds more of Nokia's like idea and hardware design i love the colors and like I think oh I think this is I think this color stuff is killer and I love the idea that you can not only customize the backs but you can customize the the rim around this right that's cool what you can do what could how many colors on so you can do there seven that you can do for the ring around the camera lens and the buttons yeah and you get to on the front and then 18 on the do they have like a design thing you can go do it like a website it's great it's it's super and you can do the bodily me the button so buns in the camera and i look i'll be on in do they sell it unlocked not you're going to yeah now be also 18 i'll be going to buy one just to do some crazy color variation aight i mean you know that's but i have a problem yeah well why is that frozen well just looking at an image of you oh those incompetent combination so they said on their site that it's 2000 combinations on their water i was just looking on their on their blog they're liars how are they again maybe they're considering all of the different carriers that's interesting that would make so the math doesn't quite work what's what no it does work you'd like it's to those two thousand with the carriers yeah yeah check you out calculator Ross Thank You Alfred out you know but uh that's great and if the add the wood options even more right yeah that's cool the wood thing is kind of and you can engrave your phone would ya like it's a lot short of it is I want I will you know I hope at Motorola has some success with this phone it doesn't seem like a bad product uh it's just in a very crowded it's just in a very crowded marketplace with without a ton going for it well we think it has two big things going for it the color stuff and the fact that it's get does this voice thing which is pretty novel and I don't know how much people really care about that right I mean I I know people care about novel features I just don't know how much Samsung made all its money for I just don't know how much people are going like I you know I really want to phone the listens to me more yeah right my they might yeah um but man our video looks benign the faculty I was walking around with like my phone in my pocket ever seen and i could just be like what time is my next calendar appointment and it would just shouted at me from my pants it's the phone my pants yet no pants I have talking pants it's the phone really Connor $99 is the phone version of google glass yeah yes I mean really right yeah that's kinda is the one you don't have to wear yeah which is not you just wear glasses no and then have this phone maybe I guys I've google glass yeah yeah next one yeah rah can't even see it it exactly and impress people um alright so i think that's it i think that's all we can say about the Moto X is that true with the except you did like an hour about the motive yes we did we've talked about these people God be sick eating about the moto accent yes other questions do we end do we get to any were there any questions that you guys didn't get to answer that we can answer and so the one that I keep getting asked is about the off contract price and the answer is I don't know we talked about that but just i heard i just read somewhere as we tweeted me that he was gonna be like 550 and 650 or something yeah it's like 529 on AT&T site right now but that doesn't necessarily mean anything for what it'll be from my roller i think if they didn't off contract of like 400 that would be pretty impressed yeah right but then i would be really mad that I fit 200 on contract and Alton I mean but it's two hundred dollars last that's true so why would you be mad well and might you did a savings of 200 it's true if you got it on tmobile you traded in anytime you want for another phone when it comes on tmobile as long as you pay a bunch of money for yes yeah well so each of you so without what other questions any other I don't know rostered we have other questions I think we publish come like a lot people want to know about like obviously international google play our audience loves sock android stuff oh the way the one that we didn't answer was software updates and we talked a lot like yesterday months yeah we've met some motor old people and uh we asked software updates are they coming via google because you're now a google company or just have to go to the carrier and they were like to obviously going through the care go into the carrier Ross got like rot Rosco gonna test you with these guys he was like so heavily tell us about software updates and he's like well we'll get them and then Ross is like he'd like look the guy in the eyes I tell me about softly I just like I did great your teeth like that it's been a very long time so I've been in over think you hate me yeah you're like look I don't have time for this I got stuff to get I get it I forgot core almost like just just tell me yeah and like what no but like it's they're like well it's it's closer to stock android so ATT will prove it faster that doesn't mean anything yeah I'm still waiting for AT&T to tell me no it's it's a terrible situation right and if you have to if you have to get me every time you open your contacts app on this it's going to prompt you to use ATT address book which is like a virus of a nap as far as I turn on phones it really is yeah I don't mind telling anybody and everybody about it it's a virus it's like it's like you say no to it brings you say no to and then it comes back it's like do you want to use a Jane your dress while yelling no thanks then it's like three times later it's like oh sorry buddy remember relating to address books have you changed your mind on it perhaps maybe she's give it a try it's a touch that doesn't like Heights it goes to maybe just try me out for a little bit wow this is like we cool the sloppy seconds will kill you I'm gonna go well I don't know that Ganesha um anyhow but uh no I mean to me I mean of course I'm a I'm a I'm a guy with a very particular tastes yes I would not want the carrier version of the phone if there were a stock version or a closer to stock version there hmm but i do want to design one very badly right yeah do you think you'll get a choice for those google play editions you think it was be like black and white like that they don't have those choices for them is a choice for the s4 in the in the one they just say it's like white you can get a white phone yeah right it's like shut up here's your phone which kinds i mean to be fair samsung has customizations to its the s4 active as the s yes for whatever like the zoom the zoom thank you yeah like their series nothing but like choices they're like customization now just try so gender difference a difference cues listen I appreciate you trying really I really you really pushes here to like take a devil's advocate really pushing it with that one alright what else do we have in the news today the boss Gus here's an I'm gonna Reeboks this reebok while you're driving Yuri boxing you ever boxing everyone's what all the kids knew the new thing on YouTube would any time but the BMW i3 this is interesting because stealing I would be interested in talking let's let's do this it's the it's BMWs electric car there take against Tesla yeah but for people who are scared of electric car going too far which is everybody which is everybody yeah rational otherwise rational this point you can also get a rental SUV yeah I really stop and stay for the night so I think the idea here is that too to combat range anxiety which as we all know is a is a problem that faces America's ultra-rich with the Tesla a problem facing the one percent yes uh range anxiety of your electric sports car right and so on on the driving range it in or on the driving range like will buy right will my club get that far enough down the green to keep going you did you make me a successful golf artist Mulligan's forcible God so so yes a BMW introduced the i3 which is obviously very interesting it's a forty one thousand dollar not cheap no a cheaper than a Tesla yeah yes 41,000 a lot of bmd 1000 yes yes forty-one thousand dollar electric car uh with all the fixin's hmm just like Hardy's fixit's who has the fixin's bar I thought fixham just a southern snow I fixed in the bar is like at a specific fast food restaurant think it's Hardy's just user for fixing and fixins with no g of quick fixes with no J yeah oh it's cry Nutcracker Nutcracker me I know it sends y'all fixin's bar y'all who is I ' Roy Rogers Roy Rogers very very close though yeah Hardy's also great great shakes the hardest merge has brought to you by Hardy so so anyhow but 41,000 our BMW all like gets 90 to 100 miles yes is it would they have a better model that gets more mileage is that right I don't know that's what that's what we said in our post that story I go crazy let's see production line you might be crazy there's something that's I thought I maybe I misread something anyhow but but they have this deal that you can get that plus access to basically like a very very high end zipcar which is an x5 right a BMW x5 which is an SUV a gas-guzzling SUV yeah they weren't just like you can have a BMW sedan they're like we're gonna give you access to the thing that gets the worst gas mileage right in the world like your you're gonna break even using this twice a yeah where's the x5 ruv x5 miles corner fuelly.com uh let's see about 20 22 miles per gallon 22-mile 1770s p17 now it's up to 20 points 6 miles they're getting it together I have a that's for have a increase I have a volkswagen golf TDI right nice and on the highway i regularly get like 44 45 and well mpgs it's pretty legit at that point why even get an electric car agree it's pretty legit it's pretty legit well why i can tell you y'all get that fun percent to put diesel gas it in diesel fuel not that easy to find homes you just run out of gas looking for diesel fuel I have definitely come very close i'm like really that you don't have diesel okay great i have like 10 mile is your car like from nineteen forty-seven thousand ten you jerk come on you got that thing you were so excite I'll of that car and beautifully me like how you have to park cars in New York like every other well i gotta i finally got a lot you did yeah near my house so I can park it in this fit relatively insecure dress free really relatively unsafe so he broke into my car the other day actual that's right they but they merely it's really weird they opened my car somehow they got in my car maybe I left the door unlocked I don't know because I parked it across from my house and they've gone through the glove compartment they took stuff out of it but didn't seem to take anything like there's some caches in there there was a bottle of aspirin what did they take nothing there's stuff in the trunk they didn't take civil compartment was just like open and like there wasn't anything valuable in the car just like it was just like my registration really need a receipt badly it was weird though I think you think that I would buy if I way to the trouble I've I went to the trouble of opening a car and all I found was like a pair of sunglasses I'd be like well at least take us I'm not leaving without something I'm taking these sunglass yeah you know and principled hipster my hair is out of control today do you see what to happen in here it's like it's like us like a slope it's like sliding down my head really upset it's funny can we get a graphic of like skier we gotta come and get my hair charts Alex better if it just stays like that John all right here so the eye to the i3 I mean when it's available at the end of the year right november october hmm you gonna get one i haven't had a car for like a decade do you miss it not really i do i miss driving soul oh I'll uh I'll Drive for any stupid reason I agree I'm like you need to go to Duane Reade it's half a block away let's take the car all right let me think I I would miss it anywhere else I would I hate driving in New York the few times I've rented a car here it's just it's the worst yeah going through traffic this is a horrible drive in New York but it's in as it's like you know if they put in a forza I'll play it okay I'm that's not really I mean I really didn't I'm not in any what a conversation killer it's not in any way it's lickable to the sky person video games video games hey what else what else you have on our top this actually just happened I think on the way here James Cameron is now making three more avatars you know when I first saw the first avatar i said to myself this is good I'm enjoying it you said that I said he was happy I said here yeah this is good yeah I've enjoyed but but I really could go for three more of these same mmm three more and hopefully as long if not god yes yeah yeah now these you know do you remember on the CNN reported on this there were like people I mean I feel like maybe they made this story up but people who had become obsessed with the idea of Pandora as a as like a real thing and they started like painting themselves blue and they and they became really depressed because they couldn't because they couldn't live we may have actually covered there we may have actually wrote we written sorry about their story Wow but it was like the people who had become obsessed with avatar in the universe of avatar and they were they were very blue for lack of a better term about about not being able to live amongst the creatures of Pandora Wow yeah so now that that's out now that gets a real world James Cameron this oculus rift needs to come to its full potential yes like the oculus lift oculus rift with the Kinect and the bicycles paper boy are we talking about that don't waste it let's just talk about avatar avatar then we'll get to that anyhow so that's why when I think of avatar I think of those people how did avatar end you know spoilers I don't remember but I boiler learn how does avatar en I remember they're pretty good i time you guys want us yeah it's like a goody I eat the guy's mind the bad guys had to go like you know what I don't want to see his Pocahontas for take that doesn't sound good really it's a nice Pocahontas is like old there's like grandkids it's just her in a wheelchair just like going around on Johnson is boat exactly I would watch that edge a nice I mean now you just grab it I've kind of like that sounds amazing yeah yeah um no so oh yeah three more average three more why not two more why not a trilogy why a quad quad rolla G quadrille cordial it's because JSOC Cuadrilla Jenny work what an alien's call it aliens is a quadrilogy it's a quad I think when they release a trilogy quad case yeah I drill is exactly like not quadra-trac quadri ecology is the study of fours yes is it hi dig that up quadrant you ask you the wrong guy it's three more and like like the Peter Jackson thing and I think they're gonna film all over at the same time so let's think of what would happen in the in the Avatar universe here's my here's my film number two okay takes place everal years after the bio a spoiler alert if you haven't seen avatar I've just stop it jaan jee an avatar I don't know what I don't know what universe you exist in but um spoiler alert we're about to talk about the end of avatar wha several years after the end of avatar one is I'm not referring to it uh I'm mega the mega corporation returns Pandora guns blazing and having gotten having gotten permission from whatever international government like government yeah the phony government body to go full all out and it's an all-out planetary war between the forces of good and evil right the forces of man and nature okay and I think plastic and it ends in a very dark ends on a very dark nut that's my guess and it's an empire no buts but it's the first of the trilogy now right and the second of the condo is the first it's the first of the quadrilogy so you think they're going to end dark note I think that you're gonna go dark and thank you goes middle 2 i'm thinking like a main character doc first lady oh yeah that's just about two main character maybe dies at the end ass film too ok film film 3 picks up darker than ever oh and some or none more black it's like an enormous this particular noir which is very dark I don't know the plot of that one because who knows without I'm guessing something matrix e happens like we find out that the Oracle and the architect have actually been doing in wait for a while like the idea that at the end of this fourth movie somebody will just sit down and explain all that apply I'm tonight with the or the Oracle the architect were like lovers right I just saw like two of The Matrix movies on television anyway I just want to be clear okay they were doing it anyhow and so they're so they're so something somebody some equivalent of the Oracle in the architecture appear in their Sun God God step change some things like you got to go big but you got to go like we discover that the universe is some part of pandora is valuable to the universe in some way that we unbeknown that's correct yeah exactly or it turns out that there's some invisible roots that spread out into the planet into the starting to all planets I know the all the universes are connected through the threads of Pandora are you getting excited about this to be human are you feel like this yeah was the human does the avatar interest a tree there's a guy in the chair yes planing so I got a weird like not like the Kentucky Fried Chicken guy yes he's Colonel Jenner see I Colonel Sanders thank you you would go he went from the show sure so anyhow so that's the third one is it turns out this is much bigger than we thought and also the Oracle of the architect we're doing it right and that the fourth one obviously the fourth one obviously happy resolution we're just everybody's doing well there's gonna be a big some kind of big battle robots and then and then and then like nature triumphs over over over man-made nature triumph ultimately in the universe writes itself right no or interested bioengineering there you don't need to see avatar to 384 done this it's actually a prequel to prometheus literally the last movie ends but I don't like it a blob DNA following this guy what who cares about the prequel to prometheus that's I saying but you're tying the two biggest quadrilogy together give a terrible movie Hana let's think of a terrible movie first off that's taken that's the freakiest yeah that's this fifth alien movie technically not elings yet well whatever it is oh boy ler think of a really bad movie what's a really bad movie you've seen good luck Chuck Howard the Duck Howard the dollar that's like a prequel to Howard the Duck I would actually be more i would actually more usage i would be more ease into prequel to Howard the Duck then then then some thing tying together Prometheus and Ed avatar like I want how I i would definitely watch a prequel to Howard the dodd yes where did Howard the Duck come from space right yes yeah god howard the duck is a cool movie hey I think well I think that's a classic that any time is kind of like him and Alpha's can we get a shot of howard the duck up on screen Evan do your magic I just I actually really like this education we really I can't believe how I thought we were on way longer no no I can't worry about in the deep would be is at the end 36 minutes anybody as well I hope whoever is watching this is appropriately stoned I think it's very important that we start doing prequels to terrible movies yeah how are they God would let happens how it has to start really fantastic Howard the Duck origin right is what I would call it and it's like gorgeous and amazing yes by the way when you want you want to talk about you want to talk about truly disturbing imagery here I mean thank you for Sookie if you I tell you what if you are if you live if you have roommates or if you have a loved one that you live with a spouse of some type I highly suggest finding a way to get a howard the duck costume hmm and then appearing while they're sleeping appearing at the foot of the bed and just waking them up in the Howard the Duck outfit we're just like it I feel like there's nothing could be nothing more terrifying no creature agree no no lovecraftian creature no no James Cameron designed a monster from space they could be more terrified that the than the I don't even know the questioning the quizzical face at Howard the Duck living looming over you he's kind of done with you nude from the waist is like really oh thank you for the house cat how everybody our cast it's actually think that wouldn't be the duck cast like duck castor the counter says I don't know we could do a cast all about people named Howard yeah and include howard the duck who else would we include Howard Stringer uh yeah Howard Stern Howard is Howard Wolowitz one of the characters in Big Bang Theory yes Wow yeah oh you don't know I've watched all 6 mar 30 know in like a span of two weeks yeah seriously yes Wow yeah I've watch all the big bang theory I mean so you basically just watched one episode of years you're not here's the thing it's not good ya know you've watched six seasons of you know it's not exactly why did you say I didn't like he's like feral acronyms like cheap macaroni and cheese okay okay it's not exactly good and certainly not good for you right yes but it's kind of enjoyable to eat sometime no but six seasons and mac and cheese and like I'm bloated and doing it dis yeah how did you do that and what point do you think I need to fish you know I have seasons in I've gotten to a point I've gotten to a point oh I definitely so we when we started it was like first off here's how it started I've already talked about this but big bang theory is on like seven times every night on television okay and so I would come home from work I do some more work like I'd end up like get a tablet out and sit in front of the TV and like we kind of ran out of shows to watch that we really wanted to watch so i would start flipping through channels and big bang theory was on constantly so it started as like let me see how far how much of this i can watch if anything will make me laugh on the show okay and I've definitely SAT through at this point several dozens and dozens of episodes where no most i would say nothing made me laugh at all yep and in fact i was depressed but um but so I was watching like offhandedly like while looking at something on a tablet doing to me me or whatever it was in on in the background and then I made this I've done this before where I kind of make these jokes that turn into reality we're like it's almost like a challenge to to Laura I'm like I'm gonna I'm gonna get I'm gonna get into Big Bang yeah I'm gonna wanna watch this i watch the whole thing straight through like this after seeing it enough i was like i want to know I didn't understand some of the plot lines okay it was starting to bother me like I would catch something going on and I was like what does this meet like why does this matter and I didn't understand it's like I'm gonna I'm gonna watch is like sort of jokingly okay and then we started watching it and anytime there was even anything remotely that made you chuckle we would look at each other like embarrassed yeah like we're embarrassed to be laughing at it it's like when you're crying you're a little bit of shame yeah exactly you look over and there's everybody's laughing yeah yeah baby how so so I mean look so when from it went from that to like to just like okay we're doing it now and it's just gonna be on all the time and it's just like a go-to there's so many of them right that if you don't have anything to watch and you don't want to put a lot of effort into watching something just Big Bang it just is there yeah they're all the time it's not but now we're approaching the end of the six seasons well but now you've seen 60s you just go back and it'll Biddle you just relive it yeah let's Italy quantify that 135 episodes over six seasons yeah it's almost 3,000 minutes that's over two days little kids your life a weekend so we cannot stop not we cannot just I've blown weekend any worse things trust me I've wasted weekends on far less valuable stuff here's what I noticed here's what I find extremely grading about the show you know it first off it's this depiction of nerds it's like strictly like it's kind of like a revenge revenge of the nerds depiction of nerds right which is really sort of uh yeah sort of offensive on several levels but uh it's also this type of nerdom where it's like everything's awesome like we love everything right we love magic the gathering and we love the Avengers and we love Star Trek and we love you know it's like real nur the nerds that I know they don't like everything they loved one they're like this they're like this is my thing and that stuff sucks right and and there's a line it should be K of a little bit of that but it is definitely like a it is CBS's idea it is a it is a old rich guy old rich white guys idea right of what nerds are like in the year 2011 or whenever there's any left 2010 or whenever the show started I don't know anyhow so it's it's a horrible but also highly enjoyable it's cheap mac and cheese let me ask you something this is the isn't this a crow quills this this this this art on this box isn't this a reason who's the name of the artist Andy Gilmore Andy Gilmore yeah did Andy Gilmore do the art for this or is this just a ripoff it cool this is a ripoff can you zoom in on this if you guys know Andy Gilmore is he's a great good amazing digital artist yeah and I actually like any time somebody asks what wallpaper were you guys but a lot of hazel I put a lot of Eddie go more wallpaper on my but this looks exactly like yet dirt yeah if you got a crow quills calm the amazing amazing picture you know Andy Gilmer might want to call motorola and ask them huh yeah come on guy oh yeah I love these so I just I just looked down and realized that so what are we talking about i think we just went through my shadows shame I'd ashamed myself a baby how many how many people are watching right now yes uh can you tell me John everybody left to watch the big bang theory over 7,000 everybody comes to concurrent viewers ah it's not that many let's talk let's talk about paperwork which I oh my god let's talk about paper for this I don't have you guys seen this have you guys seen this this is the coolest this is one of the coolest things to ever have been done with anything and so what is it I don't get this okay somebody made a paper boy you know the game paper boy right it's like you got on the bike you throwing papers okay somebody made a version of paper boy that is like a immersive 3d paper boy where you where the oculus rift okay you ride a stationary bike kicker and there's a connect oh why do you throw papers off of the bike and it's like in your in the world of paper boy from like a first-person perspective that's a we can we get the we have video of it I'm not sure we get to via yeah they're trying to get video let's be clear like this is generation of technological advances and innovation interaction design yeah and it's to emulate a childhood job of like throwing paper yeah but y los embodies incredibly awesome but but that is a but that is a twat my plan it instills good value is that is an incredible insufficiently being a paper but it's just such a cool idea because because because when you think about the world of paper boy and you do think about it all the time 11 guys constantly think about the later once when you think about the world of paper boy did you ever think at some point I'm going to like literally inject myself into this matrix tile and be living I'm gonna see the view of the paper boy I'm going to here we go I'm gonna feel what the paper boy feels he is that would be a lot look at this we see there's some gameplay footage here hang on hopefully this is the dude who made it by the way yeah ok so here we are in the world favorable I really never looked this good ok can we get the first person wears i think is this is the whole trailer beautiful exciting but uh does it have really like that it's important which bike yeah the bike is like this is very good it's a really good bike but i just think like when you think about what the oculus can a lot could allow for what it can do right now here we go this is so cool also great yeah this is so awesome it's a great way to exercise yeah I mean just think you could play like a light bike Tron light bike game that we're moving where your speed is controlled by the bike by the pedaling of the bike mm-hmm that sounds amazing yeah let me this think about like he's throwing paper all over the place I mean this is incredible where does he get all those papers look it doesn't matter this you gotta admit this is unbelievable this is pretty I mean this is some out there ultra futuristic right just totally who could have seen this coming right mmm I love these guys and like this isn't like crazy complex technology like in like to talk about this like very lovingly like like just a great a bunch of ideas in terms like interaction look at this I don't like that I mean that's that's too much that's not play that's on paper boy style III know paper boy and he would never do that being a paranoid he actually my defectors coming like that oh yeah this is really cool I think it's one of the coolest stories of the week I have to say um and I was blown away by it and I'm excited and I want to play it what else do we have we could talk about um one thing I was hot but we're not gonna get too far a dog TV which i think is hilarious we're not covering it what is dog TV I got a press release today uh it's a channel for dogs sounds great why are we covering it actually so do you guys listen to this american life right yay me I mean occasion they did a whole episode a while ago about this guy who started the puppy channel and his his whole idea was well sometime it was like you and the big bang theory he was like sometimes people don't know what they want to watch they just want something on right or like its commercials of another show that they like and we're just going to show them puppies why are we watching so okay we need audio for this right we watching is a screw it's screwed yeah in the IT works like a charm is this puppy TV this is cat TV Oh catch even Scrooge predicted it years ago Wow well that they should suffer for cats the writers of screws should still worried should sue Bill Murray did it the guy was in that movie so give me some buzz hey no but the thing we should about to get more gadget focus is a couple d Apple stories this week the china labor watch report mmm not this week listening this was last week it was like late last so long yeah but a long long wait a few weeks I don't remember it well you're really bringing this thing down yeah we had an amazing conversation I'm having all right let's talk about Netflix that's much cooler oh yeah Netflix is a huge story sorry Tyler but also I want to talk about our John Wilkes Booth feature oh yes oh where we'll get to that okay talk about next little uh so netflix this is a sea change as far as I'm concerned your way they do they're busy Netflix is now offering multiple user accounts on the same uh subscription yeah the same screws how many accounts tag it's 55 return it's fine miss violet five accounts on the same account so you can now freely give your netflix subscription to friends and family right yeah for up to five people which is amazing Netflix is kind of like we just don't care anymore will it be new she's like HBO Go or they're like dude you know share pirate it whatever we make lots of money and I guess I guess they get your hook no no here's why because like when they were doing how's the cars like we knew is gonna be hit because we we knew what our subscribers were watching yeah and when you have 10 people using the same account it gets confusing like what kyndra's like liking well yeah I know what user likes what he's not green light the proper shows yeah that's actually that's actually really smart and I mean I my assumption is that they are you know seeing a much bigger position than simply a subscription service yeah right what I mean they are they are going to become a real powerhouse in terms of programming they're going after HBO I mean Iran and I gotta say I you know I think their shows are really impressive i've been watching Laura doesn't like it but I'm watching orange is the new black how far are you uh we're about five episodes in she doesn't really care for it I am on the fence I think there it has good parts i think it has mediocre parts but but like we watched i watch the first episode under the dome last night we'd seen someone i've seen some under the dome i got renewed here and there isn't but i keep seeing Laura to be watching something when you look at the quality between those shows yeah you know under the dome is a big-budget network show right right I think qualitatively speaking the netflix stuff looks so much more sophisticated and seems so much more really yeah it seems so much more like NY cable ship I me about my network shows I don't know what it is you know and bryan cave on did the screenplay for under the dome right right yeah which is you would think would be okay well that's a great start stephen king's x blast by stephen king um there's some great actors in it but it just feels like it feels like revolution your watch revolution it's like it's like everybody looks too clean and everybody's like the plots are kind of like this is sort of yeah genki like a chauffeur mainstream like it's like an adult show right because it has adult themes yeah but it feels like i don't know just not done well can able to end by arison it by comparison you watch orange is the new black which is the show that you know it's a very different tone right yeah but the our house of cards is better and wiser card feels like a you know an HBO show yeah it does it doesn't pull punches orgeous yes fires to a more mainstream i mean if i were if i were left me investor any of these guys i would say like guys here's what we're gonna do we're gonna take an hour two hours one you know one night a week and we're gonna be like guess what guys adult programming we're gonna take these the dudes who are creating great stuff for cable I'd say you're gonna have a block you're gonna have an hour I mean do what AMC's doing at say you know Safety's off this is real adult television we really care about telling great stories and we're not gonna like pull any punches I think that would be a big deal at this point I feel like they're look at the Emmys in a bunch of me they've been that the networks are basically passed over for for these for any other they used to hang onto without any question right and even like things like comedy and stuff are starting to get away from yeah but that's only that's only growing here's the counter-argument up for a comeback CBS who just wants to like again like it's a profit margin thing the best traffic for for cable is like the worst for like an hour you look at this day and you look at the and you look at the top 20 shows they're all CBS shows Daniel and their dominate their dominating you know but what the NBC's the ABCs the world are obviously want to get in there more to the point that way people watch is changing right and as that changes I think you're just going to start to see people drift away from stuff that isn't the quality they expect if you get that quality by subscribing to netflix for nine dollars a month I mean if Netflix really started cranking out a lot of shows that were desirable I mean net house could conceivably you know they could and they're not they can't conceivably do this at this point but they could have a walking dead or a game of thrones right Sherwood should just be like you know crazy I mean I don't know their houses difference between house of car well how about large has a big viewership but not like it's not like these phenomenal terms of its not a phenomenon like like some of these yes are these shows are the quality I mean I mean walking dead and madmen changed the face of a NFC you know they completely trained in and now it's like you know so many people watch The Walking Dead it's crazy it's got a bigger audience the madman yeah got bigger audience and I don't know not bigger than Game of Thrones but it's been enormous the big ass audience might be bigger than Game of Thrones it's cuz it's on basic a bright right anyhow the point is I think there's a change coming to shift coming and I think I'm surprised when I swatch on to the dome it's an intriguing story you know it seems like there's some good threads to pull there but some of it even the special effects I'm like that just doesn't look very hot budge mmm that does not look high budge no I budges the thing not race that's a phrase yeah that's a bus Stephen King James camera would not allow that avatar for it's gonna be churned return to Pandora which no no avatar for is gonna be the final triumphant return right I mean presumably as a major death in avatar for no you know it's good isn't without that isn't without meaning they're gonna get stranded away from Pandora in avatar 3 and avatar for is gonna be them however they might come back where would they be stranded i don't know there are somewhere in the next door earth were interested in New Jersey hose get I got to be some earth stuff right yeah well sure the dist opik nightmare world of Earth yeah yeah kind of like Mars from from from total recall the original method it's like a mash-up of Elysium and avatar will easy looks good god I'm excited what's coming up this week right I think Elysium is going to be the sci-fi movie we've all the way for I saw i finally saw oblivion Oh what do you think well i think that there's one logos in it first off I mean the Ale the alien ship spoiler alert there are i really i really just boiled it bad oh no I know there's it says in the trailers aliens yeah the alien ship looks like a huge verb slugger it's really nice you mean the impossible triangle yeah well but but but more infants but our noble re the penance is triangle to the Penrose triangle is the thing but our Penrose triangle has an additional side right that's the thing that makes it cool and more impossible join it actually looks like it has an additional side anyhow uh I thought was pretty good though I mean was better than most movies but also highly derivative and I it's a new like IP like it's not a sequel of anything right it does right I would watch a sequel to it soundtracks pretty good m83 to the soundtrack yeah really but it's like m83 with with like but somebody didn't let them do their thing they were like here's an orchestra yeah they're like I like it don't you don't you don't go too crazy you can't dance to this no and like you know drum fill yeah you know there's a little less interesting than I think you could have been but beautiful looking film and of course Tom Cruise is in it hey uh who I love it's not tall the cruise missile I'm telling you he's not that short I mean you know that I met him yeah you desert spoke to him BFFs yeah I want to say there one BFF you already Norma's so it's it's I'm a big guy but and maybe it's just his tremendous personality he didn't seem at he didn't seem that short his smiles like 65 that's right yeah his smile is is oversized right yeah so makes up for any fair enough issues we've got three things we should definitely do it promote for guilty this week was the premiere of small empires oh yes this is small empires if you haven't seen it your uh your get out of my face let's get out of my face and don't ever come back to my face until you've seen small Empire and then tell you um this yikes what is this morn Paris yeah this is a trick it's at oh yeah oh yeah no but the first episode JP this week it's zocdoc will have many more episodes every week I was like no only thing about Detroit oh yeah no this is alexis ohanian the co founder of reddit is is doing a show with us and it's very cool he's like looking at new york startups New York starts right now I could expand in the future right and we have a bunch more episodes that it's very exciting very good beautifully shot and produced by the by the Vox studio crew was it was it zocdoc that has the they have coffee on tap in the office which is like the thing I want more than anything we have world we have shelter on tap yeah but you know it's like maybe I don't covet your neighbor's condo on coffee on tap like I copy of talking about idea that's what idea how do you how do you keep it fresh no I take it where's it coming I take it back front is a huge mistake it's called room that'd be good very costly though what do you have to do you have to let you feel like there's like a coal furnace somewhere you load up with copy like what is the mechanism that keeps the coffee going hmm coffee doesn't like magic I mean I think about carbonated water is you take water plus air and it's like a thing coffee's like hot water and you have to grind it and there's a filter and there's like a brewing process like how does that happen on tap Oh this is anyhow all right there doctor first what is the other what are the other things ah definitely talk about I'll real quick the site redesign we had a little girl front page really 9th week let's not get crazy we know we tweaked our homepage we we we actually found that during CES there were a lot of things that we really liked about we did a homepage I'm sorry a CES hub and we were like oh this is cool the page is bigger there's more slots for stuff there's more areas where we can highlight features yeah different piece of content and so we did some refresh to the homepage today we added some things which are still tweaking still adding still fixing a few if you see any problems at verge support on Twitter we can see it here you're putting it man we have a new we have a new we have a new video player witness where you can watch small empires uh and a bunch of new stuff oh it's is we're gonna do this now it's not going to really do this yes we're doing it here we are nope no it's like it's floating to you um and and this is and also the the page load times have been sped up yeah significantly which is huge and this is all part of an ongoing process of trying to tweak and fix and you know the funny thing about is we launched um less than two years ago yes but 18 18 19 months ago Halloween I remember that uh and you know it's crazy how fast things move you forget that what we were doing at that time was scary in new and weird and people like we really I was really scared I've said this before but I was so sure people gonna be like I hate this is the worry we got three months of hate mail Cohen go back to this my next cover yeah yeah when and then eventually that that went away but you know the layout was crazy we're doing these big feature things and now it's funny like you look at around the landscape and everybody's kind of doing this stuff you know we were I think you know we were part of an early sort of trend of thinking about how to use the web differently but you know everybody's going responsive now polygons responsive SB Nation's responsive a bunch of other sites bunch of you know uh peers have gone response and we're like oh man we really need to do we want to do it right it so people were asking like are you gonna do responsive that's coming right it's definitely coming there's no question we're working on it now it's just a matter of getting it right we actually a really complex site design and we and what we want to do is keep the spirit of it and make it more useful and more usable and better for various platforms the other thing I'll say is coming in the near future is we're going to clean up I've talked about this in forums a little bit and I probably mentioned it may be on the verge cast before but we're gonna clean up our taxonomy AK how we organize stuff right right so you I think we're gonna have a better way for people who if you just want to read tech news we're gonna have like a tech section yeah where if that's what you've actually want to plug into if you're just an info junkie on that stuff you know that will be there for you if you want to read the breadth of stuff that we cover the features and the the culture stuff and some of the more fun things that we do that'll be on the front page people still going to do tech obviously but we're going to have separate sections for some of these we're going to go we have a new design section which I'm excited about which I think we're gonna you know be able to put a little more emphasis on company cuz I'm up because I'm a designer and I really get off on this stuff and so you know sexually and so I want to have a two of us that's the big bang theory some more of a platform for that I mean we've it's all stuff we've been doing I just want to clean it up vandalism when we launched we're like we didn't call a site we kept calling it an app because we want to think of an iterative updates and we'd actually well had that version history page ever get flung we still have it we still have it yeah and we add a verge video recently we want to integrate that better that's one of the things will happen in the in the near future I think next few weeks or months better integration of video better integration of that which is responsive by the way it's a kind of completely responsive separate part but we're gonna integrate those better so does my also separate for the rest of the site but yeah I mean we do think of it as it as a nap and we do think of it as a work in progress I mean there's no if you guys don't aren't happy believe me like I'm way less happy than you are like it's always can always be improved you'd be fair that's just true never been happy there as sure I don't know I'm not familiar with these emotion described that people keep describing to me as happiness right and then and then speaking of right features and great site like great side stuffy accomplishments we ran a big feature story this week about John Wilkes Booth which is about kind of a conspiracy a sort of historical conspiracy about when he died and where he died and we have an incredible story that Jesse Hicks wrote beautiful layout done by our one of our new design people Kelsey good work Kelsey think a and is there any other way to spell it i don't think there is but um and it's just a beautiful story it's a great story incredible video again from it from the bond studio team and really cool like story eat anyway you you get it so i suggest you read it and and it's cool because they're actually using DNA to try to figure out who whether or not John Wilkes Booth died the way that the authorities say he died if he actually lived much longer you know probably our most infamous assassin in America well maybe I don't more infamous than then Lee Harvey Oswald you by the way I think everybody knows renaming you can't be you can't be an assassin a presidential assassin without three names that's true well can't be like Josh Topolsky not to worry about him doing anything what's your name it's ryan but i would never use it you know just a history will you history will use it yeah why but why they said hell's weren't you tell me so John Wayne Gacy there's no something more sinister about with having his middle name yeah well no john gacy Johnny a guy you can I tell you a car John Wilkes Booth is just a good good killer name yeah it works well you think it is now because he's a historic know I was directly I would've said that two hundred years ago I've been like this guy watch out watch out for john william booth just don't trust me i'm trying to think of like how you would say that in a 200 years ago voice but i don't know what it would sound like anyhow are what else I mean that's the big thing for the week oh and I think it's a good place to kind of start wrapping up you can start playing with your Moto X that's all I want to do I guess we need to start wrapping how we do there's also a two percent so is it oh boy this is it as well no oh yeah like a hundred sixty 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