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and welcome to the verge cats for the week of August 5th 2013 I know I'm Josh Topolsky but I'm UI fatale yeah I'm leaving and joining us all the way from beautiful downtown Chicago Illinois Chris Diggler Chris pleasure to be here that's how you do it I just want everyone to know that my headset like josh is screaming into the area of design thank you I got like a double Superman curly hair twice as super does all right I don't have this The Verge cats of the week of August 5th 2013 5 and and obviously you've tuned in yeah or you're watching a replay of this and that's great oh we got some breaking news here breaking news CBS Greg sand of all talks with Time Warner have gone badly off course CBS says can I see that headline again at CBS s talks with Time Warner Cable have gone badly off course you're never watching see it's great well I'll be honest with you I was just saying this before we went on I I did not notice CBS was missing from my I mean you wouldn't notice it to look at under the dome on CBS yeah I was like I was like my TV programming seems better now yeah and then no under the dome is on is on CBS and and you but you can watch a free if you're an Amazon Prime customer they have all the episodes they have a deal with prime both Animas disease right but that's not they're not blocking and on on Time Warner Kurt how could they block blocking it on their website if you go to CBS no no this is like an Amazon Prime like you go to Amazon knows what they can do man if they're able to block it here's an extreme on a separate service I don't I don't know if you guys didn't know CBS and Time Warner Cable are in a fight over fees right there's the time to renegotiate let's get let's be clear that's what's happening and CBS has said as a negotiation tactic they've pulled their content from Time Warner Cable so you can't watch yeah CBS our show they pull their content from Time Warner they've pulled their content from Time Warner and then who's doing the block and they've they've pulled their they've pulled so if you have a Time Warner Cable connection yes and you go to cbs.com to watch a show the time where I've you basically yeah you get a garish message yeah that's like sorry loser yeah there's your call Time Warner Cable and complain yeah there so yeah it's insane actually so here's what I want to know by the way so you you you have paid you can get Time Warner Internet yes with no Time Warner Cable right so just let us think about this for a moment that means CBS is just wanting Lee just blocking this blocking people for no reason but also it's insane plus net neutrality well it's like a reverse and net neutrality because it's that neutrality because they shouldn't be able to they can limit what they show to like in general but if it's open to the person next to me if the person next to me is on is on is on what's another FiOS or whatever why would they be have access to something on the internet I don't it's the internet it's not a television channel well it's backwards it's like net neutrality laws are designed to prevent the people who own the pipes from doing any blocking right because the idea is that if you're on the internet you want everybody to have everything sure so the government has been like the incentive is there you'll share CBS is a CBS is evil yeah that's true I mean I would say I mean there's lots of things you can't get on the internet because you have any connection right like yeah like ESPN is a great great example like ESPN has streaming deals with like a handful of providers and not a handful of owners I wouldn't know about that Netflix super HD is only on like a handful of providers and they call and say call your provider it's all super HD it's 1080p at a higher bitrate how would you know if you can get it just like the Apple TV that says super 8 I gave them and I can't get in on time what can you get in time the last generation I know there's all kinds of stuff but like actually two out grades it before it actually blocking CBS comm for free over-the-air television yeah because it's it's stupid I think we can agree that this whole situation seems meaningless in the grand scheme of things oh it's too evil companies yeah it's like it's like oh I can't get my CBS programming I mean right piracy of CBS shows up spiked which is holy I will say I will say uh I love that I love pirate I think that's great you know if you're Time Warner customer and you can't get it you should just pirating under the dome you should probably reevaluate you're like well you should also just get Amazon Prime subscription for several reasons but mostly you see watch out to the dub but uh but I hope damn I was I just gonna say it was very important it was about CBS it was about Time Warner Oh the thing I did notice is that my Showtime Showtime is this yes owned entity and so that's all gone it's just a block of things that say TWC data not available yeah and that's great so I'm sure the people who are making Dexter are really psyched they're like cool where it's our final season and the people who watch us are on the coasts where they have time warner and now nobody can watch us so thanks for nothing well I mean the question is like is CBS so irrelevant that people won't care like do you know you don't seem to care I care about Showtime or yes ultra relevant I think CBS regularly wins I mean we're not normal people I think that if you listen I think if you look at Nielsen CBS regularly wins important time slots during the week yes no what are you talking about they're like 18 of the top 20 shows our CBS shows right CBS is the heart the heartbeat of America that's the soup no Chevrolet is the RB of America chevrolet used to be the heartbeat of America CBS now it's to CBS CBS hacked its pacemaker and exploded it and now CBS is the heartbeat of America last Moonves personally packed it and exploded it anyhow I mean yeah let's is by the way is super crazy he's like he's like a Lex Luthor style TV executive yeah a bit like keep in mind like he's a he's leading all this in Greg is actually writing keep putting this thing together I'll have it soon but uh it's like les Moonves is doing all this a Time Warner Cable he was the one who was like leading the charge I'm like ebooks pricing yeah with this other area going after going after area going like hopper going after dish like yeah screwed up seeing it like just like alright see that stuff right yeah he's a good guy I like him I mean I definitely my life I'm truly glad I do not work for him at any moment I have to say there's a there's a great part of the message that shows on Time Warner customers TVs when they tune to CBS it says something like don't attempt to switch to another provider because sometimes this happens to you might don't go outside you could get hit by working AMC we're in a fight forever yeah you know what I'm so sick of these stupid TV people content is your I'm done I'm selling my TV content is the problem if there was no content we wouldn't get into these bands got too much content look man Netflix is the future you to YouTube you can get anywhere YouTube and you pirate everything and put it on YouTube that's the way to make money that's right that's how a national day of pirating and put it on YouTube yes what Jeff Bezos BeeZee behind the PC so sorry I want to extend an offer to last Moonves if he'd like to join us on the verge caster in any capacity for an interview about his his evilness yeah the stage is set the door is open we welcome you and would love to talk to you about your various nefarious goings goings on go on ongoing yeah dealings okay uh sorry Bezos yeah bought the Washington Post Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post for some insane reason for 250 million yeah for those that's a quarter billion yes which in cat quarter billion sounds more impressive in cash in Kashi and any actually like the the Friday fall are proceeding as he took out he cashed in 185 million dollars worth of Amazon stock yeah which is like his in his ownership 0.5% yeah or something I know it's a tiny amount like what are the logistics of that did he walk into like his local chase or whatever stack with the stack of Amazon stock yeah you walk in your local branch out in the trade yeah oh god that'd be amazing if use D trade believe in what's wrong with the baby you tricky we're not to eat ray guns are there oh there's the time I trade there's a ton of on cyber trade a cyber trade is definitely I would use it don't go to cyber trade that Chinese babes Ameritrade right Ameritrade a TD Ameritrade yeah but that's like a real Bank well you can go to branches of that you can't go to an in trade that's true there's an e trade branch in downtown Chicago Wells Fargo that's what yes it's at the no wonder you won't leave that bear City go to the east great advice oh you know what there is I just saw there's a physical StubHub yeah go stop cuts across the stream yeah that's where you pick up your tickets that's right yeah why did you basis buying the post so first off major huge masses are not Amazon not Amazon Jeff Bezos purse man bought a massive historically significant yeah currently failing media empire The Washington Post newspaper interestingly not the Washington Post the company not watching us competition was explained late and Kaplan burners let's not the building the paper I don't think the word you're looking for is failing necessarily it's unprofitable but I mean they were largely responsible for was a man and the man's job was to walk forward in a straight line and they were just like walking in a circle spitting the Creta is it now my drugs failing it's actually more like let's say that you were a man with a family yeah and you had to support your family by working in a job and each year you made less at your job than the year before your family could eat less and buy fewer clothes and live in it they had to live in a smaller place yeah is that person succeeding Neela and I just talked about this I will only accept analogy as involving ex-girlfriends so it's really hard for me to like I don't understand what that means so Bezos so so Laura and I were talking about this and she had a theory which I now have agree with and I think this is the the moat people are like why why would Jeff Bezos want what's he gonna do with it is he gonna turn it into it you know he's he's just gonna clean out the ability to turn episode fulfillment center my favorite theory was he's going to use all the Washington Post distribution trucks to deliver groceries from Amistad to me an amazing ideas I don't think he does he owned those trucks I think that's a different know the post so so her by the way can you imagine like very loud can we turn the lights can anyone make Josh stop screaming directly dad stop screaming I can tell you when you talk my eyes are vibrate I can tell you one thing my ability to stop screaming doesn't he's got it yes can you just imagine any moment in your life like Jeff Bezos like woke up yesterday and like realize that he now owns a gigantic can you imagine wakes up he's wearing silk pajamas yeah he bounds out of bed yeah and he starts doing like a it's like a musical and he's doing a song about how he you know I bought the post yeah the song is called and then someone's like and by the way you own a fleet of trucks they lead it is dirty during his his song and dance routine you know he's brush to see the I bought the post or whatever but someone leans in and like they're like mr. Bezos a paper mr. Bezos and like don't forget you own the trucks I'd like to see that I did you see that but I just Morris theory yeah which I agree with is is look basis is a rich super rich super powerful yeah there's 1% of his net worth tight he's a Titan of Industry yeah he's respected he's feared he's loved he's hated he does look like a supervillain but what doesn't he have he doesn't have a piece of the real East Coast old money Empire right stuff right this is what rich people used to buy when rich people were really like rich people not these not these fake become billionaires when they were real rich people when they were like the Rockefellers and the Carnegie's they were buying stuff like newspapers like hey I'm gonna control the press right that's what he's doing he's like I'm gonna get a newspaper because I want to be like a hearse so it's super funny is that he in his like personal life and professional life super cagey with the press like has been giving the same quotes about Amazon for like 15 years yeah I think I think that the key here is he's never really found he's never really people that he felt truly comfortable with so he bought one who could interview him exclusively what was really weird huh sorry I'm gonna let you go but what was really weird if you guys saw they did the post ran a story about he had a huge story on themselves which is odd but it was like Washington Post sold like front-page logic rush Washington Post sold like what's happening but but but they did an interview and it was like a reporter from the post interviewing John Graham the owner now former owner of the post about selling the post on the Washington Post website yeah like in the washington post offices it's just really really odd right guys it's most meta thing that's ever is really better no I think the real litmus test over the next you know told 18 months is gonna be to see how many senior leaders of the post leave because that's going to let us kind of know just how much Eaton tends to control what this what this his line is basically like there are obviously be changes because we ought to make it better we have to expect but I'm leaving like he's basically leaving it alone he's his line is I have a day job I feel like we hear this all the time they're like I'm gonna leave it alone I guess maybe he'll leave it alone like like Google left Motorola that was a great segue that line about we need to experiment we need to invent or something so he obviously has some plans or intends to make plans for the paper how directly involved he is we want you to post singles you can you can buy on a newsstand one article I mean that's a sort of so that's a software it lean on me it would have made sense for like Amazon to buy it like it's more like it's not like Jeff does it's like Jeff like he doesn't have pull at Amazon well that's just when I get it I get why am it like if he owns Amazon like Amazon has to like stay its course to its mission not be distracted whatever who's alert is that is that your phone that's 500 people think you could doesn't have a mute switch I don't got a lot of phones right now oh that's the one no I think that was another if your iPhone is on the beat yeah if you kept pulling phones out by the way I you're over it I need some trouble shoes my one I can't travel shoe to the right now what's the problem it won't do a pup dates after the 4-3 update what do you mean like it's all its erroring out when it tries to like auto update and a half in the background what are the what is the error is it packet it is serious bar thing does it say does it say file package not valid no it's something I connecting the server and there's like it's a good F 43 I don't know what it I have no idea I've never seen I googled it and like I found I didn't have a map update errors I what do some like deep like droid like I was like definitely worried that they were stealing my identity like when you get like deep in my cyber droid hacks comm with two exes instead of a CK oh yeah when you're when you get involved in like Android anything it's remotely out of the realm of like you just have a regular you're on Google Play account user and that if you get into the realm of look how do I want to do some a key thing the rabbit hole don't you do not go down that route I've lost countless hours days even but if you run cyber droid hacks I just think you're doing a great RIA the two x's we should buy that right now trade hacks with two axes dot or dot are we done are we done talking about Amazon I'd know so well I mean are we it's up to you guys I mean I just think like I think you're right I think he's a rich guy I think he won yeah that's cool look if you were SuperDuper rich and you could have anything you want he loved the media because like the thing is he clearly lo he loves he loves me yeah yeah we know he loves media exists to distribute information oh that's what I'm saying but but I guess does he own a sports team no no he's an intellectual yeah he but instead of a this is his sports do you read his profile werevery he makes every executive he starts every executive meeting by making everybody write a six page memo and then all the executives sit down and quietly read all the memos before they begin to come up with more weird stuff no you're like you do not yeah did you hate everybody compose your haiku we're not starting anything else you got your haiku yeah about your particular task yeah and then we evaluate each other's haikus I'm going to do this you're already known as the verges eccentric leader so I don't think yeah I think that what everybody in my Google account whoa yeah I understand I don't want to reset though you're talking to these people in the end nobody knows who you're talking to everybody I know the answer is I sure you said Oh what my eccentricities are I think I'm a normal guy I mean you've been checking your hair on camera for five years well look at it look at that why don't you check it check it check it out all right do you want to talk about Doctor Who I'd love to talk to new doctor and you are you are like my age I imagine doctor who I'd be enraged luckily I don't we have a lot by the way can we find the Doctor Who that I look like he's the guy he's the one with the he's the one from the I think he's the 8th doctor can you find the a thing his name was Tom this is gonna be tweeted at us really fit quickly where's the doctor that I look at look like sorry anyhow there's a new doctor the 13th doctor right 13th he is an old white British actor he's a middle-aged white British man and I'm sure to England I'm sure he's a very sure he's great I'd no doubt I just I just don't care I guess like I would have been more interesting no it's apparently why can't the doctor be Ross has just walked in he's all fired the jogger me why can't a doctor be a woman somebody who's not a white guy I'm throwing it out there both both of those things Indian doctor every cool just but now there's already a lawyer lawyer former lawyer now journalists look why can't there you that's what my dad looks like exactly I'm not even remotely kid it and I think you'll find you put a beard on that guy put a beard of that guy there's a striking similarity this is a member of Led Zeppelin isn't like I do that look you gotta zoom in does anybody have a scarf a scarf yeah you do scarf scarf they're only there only two things just put a photo shop a beard on him already what are you waiting for someone in that control room by the way I'm sorry to the viewers and listeners of The Verge cast you didn't pay for this luckily because if you had you feel you'd been ripped off yeah someone in that control room is waiting there hand hovering on a Photoshop toolbar well they're virtual hands the one that's Billy Peter Capaldi Peter Capaldi is that right the inimitable powerful white Peter Capaldi but for the viewers I'm not I would have been drove up a dropped car that he drifted TARDIS Drift Doctor Who TARDIS drift I would watch that also by the way by the way horn on listen whoever is watching right now Challenge is there Doctor Who TARDIS trip you know what to do if I don't see it by the end of this verge cast you're dead to me go where you can say Chris look there are only two roles that I've ever wanted Denzel Washington for one is master chief the other is doctor who's been told the Master Chief isn't he he wouldn't been if they had made the movie like eight years ago when they said they were going to you Denzel they have failed to make that movie they really have maybe it's because who cares about Halo I mean the general public they made the movie that was like not cool people of course like Microsoft beloved beloved franchise yeah cameo games killing stuff yeah the game but shoot people who shoot really well alright I love halo don't kill me go on god this i'm slap-happy I don't know what's been going about your fun oh you want tape of the Moto X yeah moto X by Motorola I love this phone I've decided I really like it yeah Pierce said he was gonna buy one it's not the highest end phone in the world and but it's great and it has a bunch of really nice and the more I the more I've used it the more I'm like I'm ordering one of these as soon as I can do a custom look and I have to say like III haven't asked for the stock and and I'm just kind of like you know what I enjoy using this phone more we are live this has more of the conveniences that I need in the phone in a post spec world in the Moto X I mean the iPhone is evidence it's crazy where this phone here's my one the X is the same size screen and just feels incredible way smaller it's like ridiculous and I have to say holding it using it is way way easier there's a good thing though the screen stole the screen is not good I mean like if you're on like a really heavy like black with white text you definitely see that kind of tearing right that that you see on an AMOLED screen but that for me is so few and far between and I see it and I'm not using my phone way around to when it's when I'm not using my phone to read black text and white I'm not using my phone to do a lot of like heavy reading I'm using my phone to do flipping through feeds like looking at the front page emails yeah some IRC stuff or anything I'm just constantly reading no no I'm not reading like books on it and the advantages outweigh the disadvantages a lot of people do I see people on the train all the time they're like this and I'm like really it's a three now you've talked about the battery life on this phone it's great it actually seems better even the last couple of days yesterday I went home or two days ago and I had 40% battery life left which is highly unusual I cannot wait to use the Moto maker tool yeah David got to play with this is the event I have not used it yet I'm so excited to moto make look look you don't understand I've been like every time I get a phone that I'm asking for this for you yeah yes I have I actually do you remember me talking about this like years ago on the end gadget cabinet you here's what I don't like about my to make and this is like the next generation of this go ahead it's awesome cuz there's so many it's like IKEA you need gonna work here and they have like 50 this is like a Kia it's well you can definitely motor make a Kia sure no you go to Ikea and like there's they have 50 of everything and every color and then it's like ah this is awesome and you buy one and you come home like oh I just have this one it's not nearly as cool as it was but it's completely different from everybody else's collect them all that's right you don't want to like the next generation of this is to be able to motor make like 50 cases I wants a snap stuff off your phone people put a case on there done set it and forget it just like that like the whole if the whole hook of this phone is like being able to like customize it the fact no I think it's like this it's it's like a nice piece of jewelry or a watch that you love yeah it's that you buy look there's a thousand different watches okay they're all really unique I mean each watch mean you're wearing a watch I'm wearing a watch you have a watch and they're all completely crazy and different thousand yours is blue you've got this black really streamlined thing - my grandfather's watch with a new strap like they're very distinct we've picked these things out we said this matches Who I am in my style and we put them on and by the way kind of incredibly down the line here you're wearing like a black jacket you've got your black watcher you're wearing this like kind of like plaid blue shirt with your blue watch and I forgot like a red shirt on and like this red banner and I think they're really appropriate that's what this is this is like this is you know more for you than everybody else's phone right but think about I mean it's very kgs for that you had where you an incredible rampage of I'm still waiting for several backs still waiting for several backs for my but like if it is if I wear a different watch my we're different clothes like I feel like being able to change some alimentation yeah like if you bother I think of its that one yeah like you should be able to pop it off yeah I think if it's that important you if you really need to fashion it up that often you could buy some keys just thinking about remember old Nokia candy bar but nobody really wants a whole defense press on you know they were Express on and then you can but that will fail your whole thing no those were hugely popular so usually popular but you don't they have entire like like middle middle Western malls middle Western why do we keep saying it's Midwestern I have this problem where I talk like him in the 20s I don't where's that Photoshop by the Western malls you know low-end drug dealers piercing pagoda yeah like weird Cornelius proposed 79 had the the replaceable backs where when you put on a back it would automatically match the color scheme of the UI yeah to the back that you put on all I'm saying is the Nokia phone I had I could walk into my do automatic and get any number of like Dragon Tattoo backs for it yeah like crazy like what for what my old Nokia can you you found the one cool thing about this phone then one of the coolest things about it sorry and somehow I've managed to nitpick it look Apple's gonna release six different colored iPhones is that which is which is preferable one you can totally customize or one you could add it's the same problem it's like the apples ads are awesome cuz all the colors are in them so you need to be super duper rich is what you're saying cotton buy a bunch of different phones one for every day of the week movie you think about it the same way you think of a car where you you pick the options you want in the car but the difference is that you own the car for a long time you're only gonna own this phone for what year maybe that's true exactly sure yeah you'll trade it in in the year you get a new funky design I just want a new phone every day that's all I'm saying well that's true you work at a place where a new phone every day is almost not usable I bought this I bought this phone I've been I'm being told and telling you I'm being told that the photo shop be told the Photoshop is on my phone you get that let me describe to you that I'm seeing Josh de pulsky they're seeing it there see yeah you're not seeing it I mean is this seriously just with a beard and glasses cuz it does look like me he's a little bit bigger than mine which is hard hard to believe the mouth is wrong and the mouth well look if I do that but if I do that with my mouth look it's really back to the main terrifying Wow I'm really sorry for the audio listener this is really a video chance I will say that one - Beyonce remember when I was in doctor here a little bit sexual member when I was the a fourth doctor so it's here what's your bottom line on the on the bottom line my and you love this thing what oh this thing is great hold on let me see if it which Dan did it great I think a picture you guys that's how fast it took to open the phone and take a picture and that's okay picture it's the worst and now here's the worst I can just do that yeah yeah I have used this what this is way faster than your iPhone it doesn't work the first time so you sitting there going on I'm already instagramming a photo of you guys on a second let me put a filter on it cool I'm picking a filter now our god I like this one I wonder how much quite a bit would be my guess anyway look I'm fine myself pleasantly surprised oh wait hold on are you are you from Locke from Locke okay so alright uh his mic is not working you pull it out oh yeah you did pulled out yep oh boy what is this that's just my face on his hair that's not that's not that's not the right way to do this still that hair looks pretty good yeah my back it's a bun in the forum we're good we okay hold on wait so sue me you're unlocked I'm not you're locked okay here we go so somebody we hold on that we have to be get how we get in start us how you get no no we can't I can't I'm looking at you Oh Chris you count us off if somebody should say hey look at that amazing what blank and then we're gonna go that'll be our cue okay oh no you're already pointed at it wait wait my lock picture snap run okay ready okay that camera done really yeah Wow you you had to see you have it go like that well but what's weird is what's weird is I mean I didn't focus or expose like I just like do you didn't take the picture I took the picture just not like a let's see your picture it's a crap picture I mean I took it as fast my picture is pretty good yeah but you took twice as long twice as long I don't know about that oh wow this is embarrassing this is embarrassing week we could get this why was look at this look at the detail the detail that's terrible it kind of looks like he's in a midst pretty good picture I mean it was exposed to the lights love how small bezel is on that phone it's really impressive anything that's that's a trick they learned with the razor I don't know all I'm saying is it's faster to take a picture with this then with though I deal with any of them with the one or the other has the swipe too but then you just do it but give it that you know it's but no but but but jelly bean has a swipe over to the camera as well it's not a swipe over it's you just swipe up on the lockscreen that's what their thing is it swipe over no I'm saying like look it's a different way explain look it's that which is faster than going like this you know it actually isn't though from lock it's not anyway this is we're back to this also also you know you know what else you know what else it does is is it does it from anywhere else in the phone so if you're in an app oh yeah I'm always like got a waggle to a camera camera angle got a waggle to a camera the Moto X got a waggle to a camera feature of that of that phone though I'll kid outside is the the pulsing notification which is something that you can do with AMOLED and out with LCD I so I hated that is I thought I would hate I thought I would hate that on what there's a new app so Dan c4a wrote a piece today those two features that the can wag I'll just go with a camera and the active notifications are now out like in the pet store but not as moto they're not moto but you're not gonna get the battery the same battery profile no of course because yeah I'm sure look I'm look the point is doesn't matter at the end of it you love the phone no I think it's a good phone I'm surprised how much I like it and I find myself increasingly liking as I've used it and here's the deal we've gotten to a point here's the point we've gotten to like I don't bet I don't care about benchmarks that's the number one just for me so you understand like when I think about phones now I've spent a long enough time thinking about and worrying about in reviewing phones that I can tell you that benchmarks aren't really my big question my question is how does the phone act and perform day-to-day and the galaxy s4 on the one stock and the other non stock versions are excellent phones yeah this phone is an excellent phone for several reasons some of them are different than that why they say this and I caution but also the iPhone is an excellent phone if you if you're in are you in a particular guy had been hoodwinked by Motorola phones well that's my fear I will say this my dear thanks remember that I always start with them with the Motorola phone I'm like this is great razor mat and then like I'm on two months later or something it's like wait a second this phone it sucks yeah but that maybe is my is my well this is a Google that might be the cross that I have to bear this is not really a Google phone but what I will say is it's essentially stock the things they've added are so minor and also just so good that it's it's it's browsing to say we kind of plateaued its prospectus specs are not the main core specs are dead specs aren't dead but they're just not it's like you've reached a certain point where the operating systems have plateaued in a way and and it's just like we're not doing some out there crazy processing it's like can it play a game ok that's your most processor intensive thing you're gonna do on the phone can it load a webpage but uh but then the other thing is that I just think with software I mean in particular now that this is a natural stock device basically a stock it's not stock like it's gonna get the same updates that a nexus gets but it's a essentially stock operating system they have not altered anything there is no skinning from Motorola they didn't swap icons they didn't do any of the stuff that they've done on their other phones and it's you would imagine that that means that it's a much less difficult process for them to get a new operating system ready and approved right for a carrier which will take some of the guesswork out of one has for three and that phone doesn't it's crazy to me the Google Play one and did yours get updated you got it fitted yeah which is like grass it's a big win yes for it's not gotten it yet at least mine how's it interesting if you're out there and you there was definite late everybody else got a form yeah well they roll it out we got one more phone this is about what we do we do then we're nothing about the g2 g2 I just want to say one thing can we pull up the video eighty event was crazy in a different way the g2 LG how did you came out the GT this week which is great good for LG you found enormous screen I like to think of it as their affair galaxy and our galaxy s4 uh terrible software design and they they're literally they headline the press release by saying we put all the buttons on the back of the phone which is cool like that looks it there's something about that that seems interesting but like this is your point like we're so beyond like Ross specs which is what LG would traditionally say yeah but they're like we put the buttons on them that's why that's why that's why Samsung is like you know the thing where it follows your eyes and the yeah oh and LG has all this is like easy weird they've got this weird multitasking you're seeing right now if you're watching the video they've got like you can pick you can answer my phone should I picking it up which is so stupid this is exactly and this is where and this is where these companies that don't you software really show their true colors yeah this is so awful what they're showing but you know this is some of the worst software I mean it is so I'm sorry I LG like this is so awful I was rich one understand Chris tweeted during the event likewise by this video yeah it's like it's time for an intervention like you know we love you very much very much this is my kid might one of my main complaints about the skew the people who are skinning it's like you think you know software better than Google but you don't yeah at all you're not even in the vicinity you look like 40 off like 14 guys working on this in some corner office they're like it's a back it's LG they're huge company looks like the work of a but that is crazy like what is that a three-finger swing that'll be fun when you have up when you have a app that has panels yeah and you got panels open three finger swipe oh sure of course it is because you you want it to be doing that on here that's three fingers wide Benny cries I mean it the phone looks crazy like in my apps here I just don't understand no this is feature this is feature creep yeah this is this is vista this is the vista of phones this is the Vista of phone operating systems I mean just looks the LG version of Android is Vista it's like a bunch of ugly crap so here it doesn't really work that well that is total bloatware so here's the thing look I would except for this design LG's putting IPS displays and iPhones which I think are better than Samsung's displays like there's a piece of this it looks like better designed better screen inside this that's exactly a Samsung phone and then the software is so much worse like I don't understand why anybody wants this software look the software is hideous the phone is anonymous if not completely ugly the buttons are on the back and the buns are in the back I give this at a glance I give it a 1 oh sorry I'm sorry like look I wanna I want to be supportive but the look this is like I've talked about this before but this is like sneakers yeah this is wearing it we're thinkers they know where it is sneakers I'm always ready it's where does sneaker wear at Foot Locker right now there's a wall of the ugliest sneakers in the world because Steiger people were like how can we differentiate like let's put a pump in it let's have some weird plastic thing hey not this time it like let's make it look like it's from the Year 4000 in a poorly designed movie from the 70s you know like it just sneakers are gross because they ran out of ways to make sneakers interesting just a man you pissed off the halo people and that sneaker heads no sneaker but there are good-looking sneakers they're few and far between psyche over here like super mad no I agree you don't talk about there are lot of really really awful looking so let's put some lights at the bottom your sneakers well come on now I mean wait at work I would definitely wear sneakers with lights entry okay now you can probably get them I just want you to know where I am on the door please please really tragic thing you just want me to know where you are in the dark wow it's a simple that's at RIT but anyhow the really tragic thing to me about this phone is that you look at you look at something like the g2 and they're obviously really brilliant engineers working visa City they're obviously really brilliant engineers working on this device right know the designers I'm not talking about the UX people what engineers the people that like the the you name of the g2 now yes can we get to presentation you think they're really brilliant engineers who came up with these ideas no I'm saying that engineers aren't coming up with ideas they're implementing the ideas you say their implementation is brilliant I'm saying you're no I am NOT I'm saying that if they were tasked with doing something created by a visionary UX person you could see how they could turn out a really amazing phone leave me like they're technically good at their jobs yes but they're being given bad jobs exactly I agree with you I mean I assume that that's true we don't know that they're actually very good software maybe really buggy I don't know I haven't used it I mean here's my here's my in my mind's eye this is how I think Samsung and LG work I think that they say US Cellular needs a crappy mid-range Android phone by this yeah next week they put 450 engineers have a huge amount of it yes later do I ask for photo come on screen like Samsung that's bad LG's presentation or like we picked the perfect screen size yeah and they helped please be this graphic we're getting the grandeur that was amazing they it's we Indy I went into the yeah here it is okay you ready like what does this mean the smartphone group first off there seems to be information maybe we're covering it but there's information that's contained within those particular dots like they represent something but we don't know exactly what that glob like look here's his line he's like we studied all the phones people are holding right now if we pick the perfect size which is like I'm not sure that like that's what let me let me figure out what you did you look at the biggest photo you're looking you saw the biggest phone and the smallest if you look at the phablet group it's like such a wide range of things well they were worried if you didn't have a circle you would know with the dot it's like three times four times the size of any of those donors and then slightly after this there's another slide where they're like and we've pre-loaded ringtones from the Vienna Boys Choir yeah and at the end of the presentation the Vienna Boys Choir played listen it was just a really like this boils down to and and I think that this can be all of the stuff that we hate in these phones can be boiled they are can you boil down to this it's bad if this is bad taste this is what bad taste looks like yeah this is what bad a bad decorator does you know like this is a otherwise normal phone made horrible because people made bad decisions about what would be red tasteful on it what weight and what makes sense you know and they're also the other the other thing is that they're being they're trying to find this thing which is like they're trying to find FaceTime right every company wants face him that's why HTC has boomsound and cover flip or whatever it's called yeah they all want their FaceTime they want people to go oh that's got that boom sound right cover blast you know like Motorola did the same thing have notifications but that is what it does it's like an active notification and it actually is tastefully done and it works well I'm not gay I'm not trying to heap praise on this but this is one of the few times I've seen their their driving assist stuff like it's actually done pretty elegantly it does something you really would want yeah and it gets out of your way it's surprising because most of these guys are like just keep keep the make it really visible keep throwing it on top of other stuff and and and use cartoon colors and use cartoon cars but also just like it's dumb some of it's just dumb stuff you know yeah like the thing that follows your eyes it's kind of dumb yeah if you what's the situation I was deeply engrossed in a chapter of my book and then my 10-minute like limit was up and I had not turned the page right what is that turn 10 minutes from from interacting with the screen right well it's whatever you have your timeout set to but it would be 10 minutes from touching the screen again it's whatever I'm saying that the maximum or whatever yeah 30 minutes whatever yeah so what is the book or whatever you're reading where you're studying intently but not doing anything on the screen at the phone like if you're watching like a long video but they usually turn off this standby right doing what's happening and yeah some of LG's branding is knock-on with the words Oh n capitalized and answer me with the can I just there's one more we should start combining you guys these like mashups go ahead there's plug-in pop answer B so we can plug in five plugin pop like it's like the slides through my deputy remain it's like what we up Lorraine town perform there's a yeah we have the Vienna Boys Choir I'm gonna research plug in pop guys it's like the ring toss a ring ring the ring time that will legitimately make you go insane yeah by the way plug in pop with you when you plug in the headphones it puts the menu it puts another menu of apps over your listing apps the but becomes a flaw I don't we have a video for this it literally shows you a graphic of a headphone plug going into the like the phone on the screen so you know that you've inserted headphones fucking Bob the new LG all the time I think my god dick is this plane but are they plugged in I don't know I wish there was a visual indicator so I knew that the plug let's plug in paint was inserted completely into the headphone I mean I just say David special super sarcastic at least LG didn't call them L answer an elbow anyhow well that's good so we need to do mashups of features yeah like plug and pop could be what's the razors have what is the cover what is the cover thing on the one feed buzz busby is a website I know that it's like one feed feed feed yes so what is it what is weather features on here plug a pop-up joins app link pop blink on like me blink blink on I'm sure as a Samsung no no because I just have an ass in front of it it's ass blink yeah it would have to be s blink blink Sam cause Sam sends me tea service can we talk about other topics so LG introduced the g2 it's a big phone and in your choices sorry oh yeah all right guys we got a wrap-up we do well not being like we got to come to an end I'm one I'm trying to get to the next top here here's you got a pic you got a poem so you can pick more Xbox disaster mmm you can pick Sony topics a little dry or you can talk about the fatberg and the fake burger oh let's ever let's talk about two very interesting story laterz they sound related yes they're not and there one is gross and one is awesome yes my opinion okay so on on Monday morning the is it Monday yeah Monday morning the in the in London the world's first ever lab-grown hamburger was cooked and eaten now this is a hamburger that is constructed using stem cells from a cow from Oh from a cow fetus I believe and they basically like build five ounce cultured beef burger constructed from 20,000 protein strands grown from cows stem-cell protein strands grown from just to put your head around this concept this is they they and they didn't harm the animal they're yeah this is a this is a pain painless deathless actual meat hamburger right if you can understand how it doesn't have any fat no doesn't mean fat because we're bad come from right right but okay and just two more stats cost $325,000 to make yeah I took a weekend yeah and it was entirely paid for by Sergey by Sergey Brin which is Google which is insane but so so this is a huge deal this is I mean the beginning of potentially a huge and by the way we have something coming next week that you'll want to something coming next week that you will want to see on this and beyond so get ready cuz something really really I believe it's next week I could be wrong to coming up but we have something coming on this that is going to go way deeper on this story but but the idea here is I mean the potential is incredible if they could get this up to scale and and it is safe and it tastes reasonably like a hamburger right there's quite a bit of flavor said one of the writers yes one of the there was actual food critics that tried this the potential for this is just like incredible I mean it could solve world hunger it could eliminate an enormous amount of greenhouse gas issues and ecological issues that are caused by farming and by meat production which is like one of the most destructive not the most destructive let's talk about vegetarians though I mean what does I would hit this in a second what kind of dilemma okay there's no dilemma for me I mean cuz here's the deal no animal was harmed to make it no animal was killed to make it so I have no problem PETA has offered a 1 million dollar Awards the first person to develop lamp grand chicken I mean this to me is yeah this to me is the answer to the veg I mean my vegetarian complaint is I do not want to be involved in the death of another creature so this harvested stem cells and grow them well yeah but I mean they're not killing the animals or harming the animals as far as I understand I mean if they were hurt if they were torturing animals I'd say yeah I'm not interested in eating it right you know even if like but the idea but I understand something I've read on this said that you could potentially get something like 500,000 cows worth of beef from the stem cells of a single cow in if this were taken to its logical conclusion or something in some insane statistic like that I that don't quote me on that mm-hmm but the idea here is incredibly powerful and also just yeah it's super sci-fi yeah just sci-fi that's crazy and like the only thing I can think is you know it seems too good to be true yeah if they can actually figure it out let's say obviously you're not gonna do it for $300,000 that's like the experimental that's like the research it cost and all the stuff you need it's you gotta start somewhere but if in 10 years you know this is safe and it tastes like meat and they can do it at scale that's a game-changer right that's a world changer and it's very exciting and also kind of scary so that's the great wonderful hopeful story that we started Monday off with and then on the flip side and by the way in some way related well the fat yeah somewhere doesn't it sure uh in the sewers of London a how how big was it haha a bus fifteen tons a 15-time I just read the we've never seen a single congealed lump of lard this big clogging our sewers bled made an employee a gigantic ball of fact and sentence and sanitary napkins yeah but a 15-ton congealed ball of fat and sanitary products was found under gross under the under india in the lot in the london sewer but but Vlad brought up an important point which is that they don't specify whether it's a single deck or a double-decker bus that's a big difference inside 15 tons do they do the math find out how much a double-decker bus right now honey find out how much a single dagger Bao sways and then boom fair enough yeah oh my god this video please don't please don't I mean there's so much fat in the sewers they're not using it to generate electricity I mean this is amazing well this is disgusting beyond description I mean our hero was really gross unlike Abunda at one point on Monday I was like huh that grown beef yeah in fat fat burger these are elites there might have been something else too it's it's it's sickening and also if you hold I mean that to me is the because of the future of the verge no that is the beginning of a futuristic sci-fi horror film yeah where the fat burger obviously becomes sentient no I'm sorry I wrote it a DS for the post and headline is crazy a terrifying robot that shows you the emotions slime mold can express this guy I don't know what that means oh god we're showing fat bird come on this is that's okay guys NSFW take the kids out of the room here's a British guy he's like I couldn't believe how he's the chief flashy Bob here it is the next Doctor is Chris Paul yeah Doctor Who number 13 Keith Luscher from South Wales I don't know if who's from South Wales I just made that up but um here they are going after the fat burger hunting the fan who would go down if they were like hey listen if I don't care what job you have in London if they were like listen we need you to go down there's a 15-ton blob of fat fat sanitary napkins and we get it go down there and clean it out I'd be like I I quit and I'm gonna tell everybody I can about this situation so they don't get a job here it's weirdest how joyful the British press seems like they're now a documentary about that bug yeah that's like the fat bird is is there it's like after the Royal baby what else you have to be excited not like we've it's been like two weeks of nothing now we got a fat bird the most upsetting thing to me actually is how quickly the entire internet congealed on a name a name deal yes by the way let's be clear nothing ran into there's no Titanic situation here some unfortunate flusher yeah chief flusher as awful and terrible it's a great title I always can that be my time chief flusher chief oh yes is that it that's a we should I'm gonna just on it go ahead and by the way I just want to go ahead and say if you're gonna I know what you're gonna you're gonna send me an email and say let somebody else talk who people are gonna email me and say Josh you talk too much listen I was diagnosed at an early age with the problem being from a loud Jewish family and as a result I just yelled straight through every conversation because I don't know if I'm gonna be able to get a word in edgewise oh we didn't talk about the Hyperloop otherwise hi bro can I tell you this would just save your emails this is one of the most disappointing stories Hyperloop phases problem and very consumed except all your rich guys I fix the puffs are you rich Donald Trump and constantly now saying the words that I'm seeing yeah which leads me to say insane things that's the that's the that's the product of a distracted mind neil i and in our distracted age with all these bleep sandbox groups calling to us from from near and far who would you pick Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk had to do what I just told you musk musk cuz he smells great nos no I would choose not what does he smell like obviously must be musky he went all the way there driving the car towards this cliff I adore my Kindle and I adore Amazon Prime but the green I gotta go musk musk here's the edge or my Tesla muscles just makes our lives a little easier mono I mean there's a vision there's a difference totally visionary way IIIi don't know who I pick I'm just saying head to head I think first off together unstoppable I wish they'd get together on something yeah but Bezos is a Sorrell super team business is a is a slow roast yeah and and Elon Musk is like a flash fry yeah okay they have different qualities slow roast the juices you get the juices you get the the flavor the hours of work you get the fatberg with the flash-fry it's let's be honest we it's fried yeah it's crispy it's fried so you're saying musk is not nutritious I think some of his stuff is pretty dangerous pretty questionable the Rockets would you want to get on the Hyperloop for the trial run so here's the thing well we have to worry about it because he's not going to build the Hyperloop any kind of downplayed sorry I'll just I know you're gonna talk about this story but go ahead just I was well first I was saying Chris had a little Tesla scoop this week oh yeah Tesla mr. Tesla they're gonna build a an all-wheel drive version of the Model S next year the current version is I'm gonna use more rear-wheel drive really oh but you can't you can't in the winter that's no good for you the word on the street my street we're not my street full of Tesla is that is that they're going to produce sort of like a hyper expensive version of this car early next year that's super powerful faster better stronger than the current car the P 85 which is the performance model and this is gonna come before the Model X which is their new SUV we had gall wings they don't come going they come suicide doors yeah why are this called suicide doors because it's easy to jump out I don't know actually that must be it it's easy to jump out oh wait wait I see why cuz when you're driving does you do a suicide no cuz when you're driving you open the door the wind pushes the door closed but if you were to open it the other way it would rip you out it would well would hold the door open let's put it that way yeah but that doesn't mean you're you're killing yourself you could more easily jump into onto the road the possibility of the door being hit by traffic at speed the conventional door will break off but a suicide doors slam closed thus committing suicide I don't understand yeah so that's that's the that's the little scoop so that's the model you wanna you want to buy yeah but I can't afford any model of the Tesla it's very expensive you are I would like one also there are no charges maybe if he makes enough money other thing the real story here is I poor looking good scoop though thank you sorry no story here is the Hyperloop so after weeks of like teasing and say I want to build a Hyperloop here's what it is here's what it is and we like did old story and what it could be he was like tweeting about it like all kinds of crazy stuff he's like yesterday on a call Tesla's earnings call he said I don't have any plans to execute it because I have to remain focus on SpaceX and Tesla if nothing happens for a few years maybe could make sense to make the hyper would happen with Tesla but it is extremely speculative so after all this hype yeah I'm gonna be actually really and he really did build it up I mean he definitely made a point to talk about he was gonna introduce stuff and he's like this is a big one I think I kind of shot myself in the foot by ever mentioning the Hyperloop because I'm too strung out design I'll provided quite detailed design on Monday the best part about the statement is that he's like oh I would build this crazy like 6,000 mile an hour thing but I'm too busy really I'm really busy right now to save everybody yeah no but seriously if look this is the other like the other thing like it's like fake meat and like Hyperloop we're like the future we're all gonna be I want to be on it doing a fake meat burger yeah what would be the booty name what's the retail name of the fake meat bleep ble yeah I don't know I just thought of it a couple days ago what is it bleep ble me something like new beef no and you with a dime yeah that's terrible yeah what would you like new new beef eat the future we know you want to make it seem like the future is served reserved these are all freebies for the meet people future the future serve is good it's actually really good yeah Pam I I'm in the wrong industry I need to be an average-size need to be in the meat name of me advertising industry all right anyhow they said our merch Cassatt that's the version can i buy everybody you know what we've really enjoyed entertaining you if that happened at all and if you weren't entertained tough toenails this is free well that's the verge cash for this week yes Chris when you move into a Wow putting them on the spot on the cat I got a lot of tweets at last last time I tweet just I'm not getting on the plane back home nice I'm here great that's the verge cast for this week if you'd like to get in touch with us you can email us at virgins 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would get it with tails probably cumberbund no come cummerbund yeah no why not no anyhow cummerbund why not that's a cool that's a cool look it's it's a class class act one of the few things that will never come yeah you know what's his name from from Bora Bora on fire it's it's cummerbund is come about yeah coming back I say cumberbund it's not that's it's cumberbund cummerbund look JT in jay-z like they do what I don't know what rap you just saying word letters so I'm thinking of the cover of any of the Timberlake that's the verge ok tried to bring it back for suit and tie and it just like it's not gonna happen they were like not even Justin actually they're like cool and if they're like actually could you just put on a suit and tie because this is too much all right that's the verge cast and we're back next week and as always we wish you and your family the very best from the bottom bottoms of our just of hearts