Gadgetory

ok glass start the show welcome to top shelf my name is David Pierce and on this show we talked about well lots of things but mostly consumer electronics past present future cool terrible all that stuff this week we're live we're talking about some of our favorite things with some of our favorite people we're gonna be taking your calls but first we're talking to ellis hamburger our reporter and resident dude who likes apps like that's like mostly how I describe a nap freak how many apps do you have on your iPhone are you like the guy with like 48 pages of apps and you're like hold on it's from a calendar altar nestled within color-coded folders though is that true yeah really oh my god I've seen that done before downing really he's like all my blue apps or in here actually that some people have folders like one folders called eat one folders called watch and they serve it like that I kind of like you have a folder of apps about eating like you suck and I don't like you and that's really that's all that's how I feel I have a folder just of hamburger really oh alright that's fair I can't argue with that so you have apps do you like yeah right you're like mr. I try all the apps and most apps are terrible but what are good apps tell me about good apps right now what do you so one of my current favorite apps is called day one and it's a journal app and it's kind of like a private twitter in a way so you write down all the little things that you might not want to tell everybody and I'm the kind of guy who like uses Twitter as a weird kind of weirdo poetry that I pretend nobody else can read I call that the the Laura June model of twitter if you like she invented it now everybody else and I'm with that where it's like you don't use punctuation you just have like thoughts sometimes but sometimes I want something just for me mm-hmm I want to type something like oh man Joshua Topolsky just tweeted my articles all right big day and one of the nice new features about day one is that you can actually add tags to it so i might say oh man joshua topolsky just tweeted one of my articles and i'll say yeah so if you can if you can crop in on that a little bit and now I'm gonna have that in my dropbox for the rest of my life you know I can I can export to PDF I can do all sorts of stuff so it's like you're basically keeping a journal and you can do though you can do like pictures in your location and stuff like that too right like why keep it Gary I feel like I just tweet like all the stuff I'm doing in my life well my for school there's all the weird places I go and I remember like why would I keep a diary I mean you don't need to be you don't need to be I was you don't need to be some crazy diary writer right it's just like little thoughts here and there and you know those types of things that you return to that you're really really value like let's say you told a really great joke and everyone loved it don't you want to remember that joke I kind of do yeah I don't feel like I feel you thats never happened that kind of stuff like so why did the chicken cross the road and you're like oh they all laughed this is great because Neal I to peer pressured into it right something like that yeah so that's day one I like that and another day one there's like apps all over the place right you can do it like on your back and online me there's no absolutely stuff but they got Mac iPhone and iPad so really like that one cool guys behind it and it just works really well yeah it is pretty I think they won the Apple Design Award for the caps this year which is pretty aggressive in yeah so so what else okay I'm sorry so yesterday vine added front-facing camera support how about that huh this is like the most earth-shattering feature that has ever had well you see I mean that's a lot of people use snapchat right right they use it to say like you say hey check out this sweet trick my cat did and I'm gonna respond like who by good and that's cool and all but snapchats are like dead forever right so what I might respond you're like let's say you say hey Josh Topolsky just tweeted article online this is all purely hypothetical and I'm gonna respond something like oh and then you hit the check mark and look I'm gonna watch this for the rest of my like I'm never gonna stop by and then I'll say Josh Topolsky tweeted my article and then I'm gonna post a new feature as well as they added or alongside the front facing cameras now you can tag people really like a tag Josh and then he he is just say it's like a Twitter right well you can just mention whoever you want on Twitter they have to be on vine I have never used value out of it you never use never once so it's like you know how there's the new banner when you download a new app on your phone it's still there still there on my phone never once you I don't know why I think I'm like intimidated to get into vine now it's like if I do it at fig it would have to be really good all the time i felt when i get back in the back in the Instagram days I felt late and you just gotta work your way up you know just start work your way up it's never too late they started like when I see like Rondo's vines like for anywhere doesn't know Rhonda one of our video producers is the best person a vine that has ever existed it's it's like a work of art every time and I'm just really intimidated but he's like he's like the ansel adams of vine grande o rondo fallen in my life by the way if you're on twitter right now you can actually you can check that by i just watch it for the rest of your life so do you use snapchat you mentioned snapchat I like I fighter jet was dead and then it turns out everyone we work with uses snapchat like every single person except for me it's kind of like you know as I was saying earlier I like poetry and it's cut it's a kind of visual rate / j 1 is 0 re write poems in day one yeah about it i feel sign likes my exploding self-destructing poetry moving snapchat sure that's private just for my friends okay and explodes intense so it's right so it's like the the exploding poetry and then the selfies poetry mm-hmm and then the actual poetry goes need a one and i mean i might like this whole thing we think i was letting loose on vine hmm wait till you see the snaps no to get even my expect snaps i expect snaps yeah the only thing about it is that it's hard you can't see if somebody sent you a snap or if they sent you and 10 other people and snap so let's say they send you something really sweet like you look great today and then you feel all good and then like and then the person next to you is like oh man believe Rhonda said I look great today and you're thinking thought that was like me like a dick pic you're like I'm the only one and then it turns out it was everybody yeah that's really i'm excited for some snapchat mistakes yeah so uh so another app i really like is ridiculous fishing yes and it is ridiculous and it is fishing so it explains a mechanic animates gets don't want explain how this works so basically you let down your lure you try and dodge as many fish as you can right and you can even use chainsaws and stuff like that you know just like a nice you do yeah yeah there's like a coaster you use that just kills a fish sometimes yep the whole yeah also the arts great it's really realistic in terms of types of fish you can catch that's true and on the way up you try and catch as many fish as you can and then once it gets to the surface all the fish fly into the air and you blow them up with a minigun it all makes such perfect sense when you explain it yeah so so here's here's ridiculous fishing let's go fish in here for a second so the thing i love that escape i played this a lot on my ipad especially and the thing I love is you you can like by power up so you get money for all these guns right and Lou and I bought like an Uzi and just you just domestic a job it's amazing yeah and you just you just eat fish sure oh alright so i think i only got one more life so i'm gonna try and catch as many as i can on the way up here the thing about this like watching you do this right now just looks fun at all but it's it's like a some really fun and addicting and this is actually this level is called the Maelstrom and it's the only level that doesn't have a bottom middle 8c wow you're a lot further than i am in this game I didn't catch too many fish but you get the idea yeah you're a cups importance you buy some cool hats and and it's fun that's about it it's one of those things where like I I have I have I live in Brooklyn and I have a friend who lives in astoria which is like an hour and what's on the subway yeah and I literally I just like started going to his place more often I like I'll just play somebody kills fishing be totally fine I just play for like eight hours a day and it won't be a big deal yeah it's great and you still probably have to fish left to get probably I don't think I'm very far in this game it's which is sort of setting like you have clear message boards dedicated to the different debts at which for certain fish occur I believe that and you know I got a bookmarked have you played fish out of water that's the other game i'm super now I haven't I know you're into it I take about it all yeah so I like I wrote a thing and it doesn't make any sense at the games phone but then you like get scores out of 10 and like three games after this comes out ross miller sends me a picture you got a perfect 10 and now i'm like obsessed with this game and I can't really enjoy Ross work or Pete Ross it's it's not I mean it's not a fair comparison so what else give me one more cool app one more cool app let's say well dude are you like a weather app dude I feel like you're crazy about whether stuff I like weather apps yeah it seems like here's like you and dan seifert you're like let so try all the other apps this one's called today weather and this is the best app I've found to balance lots of information with great looks and there's even radar from the dark sky API and if you can see that so your main screen you've got New York you have the high the low some really nice art you have the wind and the precipitation you know next few hours but then the cool thing that I like the most you go this way you get hourly forecast looks and most apps do this in some weird ugly way but this one's great and it just keeps going it's not just today and you swipe to this panel and you have really cool graphic for the whole week that is a recive so let's say you want to do you can have Detroit few different that's forever so you can do you can pinch out and you can like get a better glimpse if you want of what's going on let's say if you're if you know you're a cool traveler guy right and you free only go between san francisco and london and bangkok and like I know you do to test out new girl obviously yeah so I do for LTE speeds it's great app it's uh it's my favorite weather app that's awesome we're now now for like 20 minutes and then we something x 25 minutes at least you know what I'm super into is the Yahoo weather app it is the ugliest icon on my phone by far but it's like pretty and they have pictures of buildings and that's apparently all I can say yahoo logo like in that icon three different times yes i think y and this is Yahoo and then the icon actually says yahoo itself yeah it's it's really upsetting actually so you can see wanna see this the icon on here what are the ladies gonna wear it says whether it's purple and it says weather and but it's mostly like yahoo and it's just it's just hideous but the app itself is really nice and it's you know it's got pictures of bridges and clouds and like this is I'm like an eight-year-old kid all I need is bridges and clouds and I'm a happy guy yeah um alright Ellis go go play fish out of water and go play Russell this is this is the new my my family I like grew up playing Scrabble and Russell is like the coolest word game I've ever played I'm a durable party letter presses is for chumps everything I'm just gonna say that every time somebody roses its take a shot and it's gonna be great that's gonna be you were all gonna die all right Ellis thank you very much my pleasure appreciate it so with me now to talk about bigger considerably more expensive things is chris sigler who is he's a man of mystery really he's in chicago and he loves cars probably more than anything except for nike high tops and Chris you're joining us now hello Chris David my needs are simple I only want to find us things in life just like the really cool high tops to drive your BMWs that's right that basically right yeah so so you you've been like mr. car guy I feel like we didn't really cover cars and then you were like you know we're gonna do now is write about cars a lot because I like cars want to ride in cars I'm on the car beat man kind of our and you you let invented it for us which is cool so tell me tell me about cool cars you wrote a thing about the porsche 959 which was nifty i did not but you've also done you've seen a lot of cool stuff recently tell me what what you're into well I think he kind of started with the with CES this year right where we covered the the lexus self-driving car and the Audi self-driving car where they actually had a demo on site that we did a video for you should check it out if you haven't in fact we talked about it on a top-shelf episode and yes I see my yes and then of course we did the Tesla I don't want to call it a review but the Tesla feature shortly thereafter the Christian Tesla piece yes yeah yes there's gonna be a lot of Chris drives X in the future in my perfect future we'll see we'll see what happens but but yeah I mean you know I I think that it over the course of the next five years there's going to be such an amazing growth in technology in the automotive industry that you know the the the car mystery is notoriously slow in catching up to the kind of technology that we cover and there are some good reasons for that one of which is that the car industry is physically not in Silicon Valley historically of course Tesla's but everybody else is kind of isolated in Detroit which is not a particularly it's becoming more tech savvy now in fact there's a lot of cool stirrups are now but everybody has Germany or in Germany in Germany yes so so that's that's one thing but then also I think even even more importantly is the fact that they are subject to many many regulations and frankly they're hamstrung by regulation in a way that most industries aren't so you know if they want to like invent like a new cool kind of tail light it takes like five years of wrangling with every government in the world to allow them to do that in fact right now audi is arguing with the US Department of Transportation over this new headlight that they've invented called matrix lighting where they can dynamically change the throw of the light based on where oncoming traffic is so that there's never any glare to the oncoming driver and they won't let him sell it here because it's going to require like years and years and years of testing and certification so that's the kind of thing they have to deal with wait so is this like these lights are talking about is this the kind of thing where like the guy with his brights on who blinds you forever and you kind of want to murder them in their car is that like this could end that and they're not letting it happen because you know there's regulation in place getting rid right side the problem right that's awful that's like really upsetting so the next time a driver is blinding you on the road you can thank the the US government Obama and now that's good that's right yeah so because of what care is my its Obamacare's fault yeah uh so um in February I checked out that you know I live in Chicago went to the chicago auto show on a media pass and had an opportunity to spend a little bit of time not driving but checking out the cadillac ELR by the way this is just vacation for you right you took time off to go to the chicago auto show just i did this is a true story late last year actually took two days of vacation and covered both media days today I just went for one or this year I just went for one nice um but but yeah I checked out the cadillac ELR which is it's based on the same voltec platform as the the Chevy Volt so it's it's it they called an extended-range hybrid it can drive 35 or 36 miles on electric alone just like a Tesla and then when you run out of juice it transitions over to a gas engine then you drive on that until you have the opportunity to charge again the difference being that the ELR is a coupe and it's much much much more stylish than the voltage the mold is kind of a nerdy looking car for lack of a better term yeah and the ELR is is really pretty both inside now and so they'll go on sale early next year and I'm really looking forward to checking that out but in terms of favorites I can't call it the ELR a favorite yet because I've been driven it there but I am going to call the mercedes-benz sls electric drive a favorite without having driven it early so why is it what's so special about that because it's like it's like a 700 horsepower electric car its first of all it's a nice nonetheless right it's based on that so less so it's it's a Gullwing it's just a gorgeous vehicle and then they throw an electric motor on every wheel that generates a total of something like 700 horsepower so you can imagine this is a just an absurdly quick car that will glue you to the back years seat and they the model that they've been showing that the the prototype is is painted in this like bizarre metallic panel fits like a mylar rapper it's actually painted but it's got this this bright metallic look that looks like it it literally literally like came in on a meteor there's no other way to point like it's like this bright blue like it's insane this course right now like it yes it might kill you at any moment and it might have later this is how I'd go it's fine yes it might actually turn into uh not not about what's the Decepticon Decepticon like your new Decepticon and murder you um but but please by all means google this car and check it out you'll see what I'm talking but then buy one for us Ziegler yes buy one for me so is this car like is this a car of a billion dollars is this like yes are regular people ever gonna be able to buy this car or anything like it that's all I select your drive no absolutely not date so that the base price on the standard SLS which is you know just a gas-powered car is something on the order of two hundred thousand dollars and then the electric drive i'm assuming the the the pricing might be out there I don't know first of all is not gonna be sold in the US at least that's what mercedes-benz told me secondly where it is going to be sold it's going to be sold for much much more than the the internal combustion version and I'm assuming it's gonna be sold in very limited numbers anyway because this technology is still young they're still working out the kinks I'm guessing these are gonna be hand-built so so yeah get out your checkbook so is is there anything in terms of like normal cars for normal people even not specific cars but like technology or anything that you're seeing that's really cool that you've either gotten a drive or just see that's awesome and like when I buy a car I might actually get this other ipod dock in my car which is not that awesome well you know we wrote it so I I'll answer that in two ways the one of the really big tropes right now in the automotive world is the concept of this really highly integrated center stack where you can plug in your phone and it sometimes it has a 3G or 4G connection can do all these different things has smartphone apps that can connect to the the car and add like you know Spotify or Rdio or slacker or whatever those stacks are very young and I think that when you look at even this second if you go out and look at like it you know a focus with ford sync or you look at like Chevy MyLink or you look at Hyundai luvo or kia or whoever whoever is over blue linker all these different stacks they're very very young and immature and not particularly easy to use Cadillac use another example which is what the lr is going to have and I think it's going to take some time for these guys to really work out how to do this in a way that's in sync with the level of UX design and usability that we have in like the smartphone world for instance so we're not there yet is it's going to take years so that's that's the first part of my answer second part is if you look at like the Fiat Fiat 500e which we wrote about recently this is electric car not particularly expensive has decent range and for urban dwellers you know driving the the Tesla really opened my eyes I was always like a super like EV skeptic I hated the things hated the concept and I still have a problem with the lack of infrastructure but major cities it's not that big of an issue especially if you're not driving very much or you're not driving very long distances so if you look at the 500e that's going to be I think that's for many people that's going to be their first like practical introduction to an EV like a true EV now that's something like a volt or a hybrid okay so I have to let you go here but I have exactly one more question for you and to be honest this is a very important thing I have to ask you fast and furious 6 yeah he's going to be the best movie I've ever seen or the best movie anyone has ever seen ever uh those are two opposites by the way the land the movie is going to be so good that Hollywood is literally going to be like well that's a wrap there's nothing else we can do that's going to top this movie we can shut it down they're gonna fire all the actors it's gonna be that good trust me okay I'm assuming so I'm just gonna buy a theater now and just live there watching this movie over and over for the rest of my life do it man alright Chris thank you so much appreciate it go steal that Mercedes for me and we will flee the country together and everything on it wonderful you can count on me perfect alright with me now freshly back to the internet sort of freshly I guess I feel like you've done a lot in the last couple days but anyway Paul Miller Paul Miller welcome back thank you so you've you're like you're what are you 48 hours in yet you're 36 hours in being on the internet through six something right have you have you slept in these 36 hours um like eight hours total okay just a lot of a lot of internet to catch up on ya tonight last night got pretty bad he doing I was night I found these like I've had this app for for ipad like for like learning Latin it was like flash card interesting I just started do like tons and tons of flashcards and I started flashcards for like English vocabulary and like mythology I don't know it's cut so like speak some lying to me right now oh my gosh I don't know you don't you get it if you gave me some flash flash cards with like a vocabulary range of like 20 flash cards I could probably figure them out after like five times through that's where that's where I'm at with women right brilliant almost fluent nice yeah you're pretty close and it's good because it's a language a lot of people use and speak all exactly yeah I really wanna know i'm i think that's Janice bringing a line with modern culture so what have you like you've been back what have you you know we sort of foisted stuff on you when you first came back yeah vacuum kitty which has changed my life forever by the way I've never seen it before you react so thank god you're so i get to see vacuum kidding yeah but so like what have you you've had a chance to like explore yourself if you just spent the whole time looking your email that you had 40 million of or are you gonna do you know well so that first night i got like I almost had like a panic attack it was really who's really like truly overwhelmed really I'll bet I'm sure it was it was I mean just even having a few tabs open you know like like we take for granted how good we are using the internet yeah but like I am not very good at right now and I'm just trying to relearn it and so like I've watched some like silly videos and some silly gifts and some people giving me some links and my sister was over she was showing me some of her favorite videos and stuff like that and watch some music videos with my roommate and but like most of it is yeah just like I'm sitting there on Twitter sitting there in my email I don't understand my email yeah I haven't gotten any past like the the moment I came online like I haven't looked at the archives I have 22,000 on red muah and I haven't gone back or you can even try you're just gonna bail well the thing is it's like what if there's a cool thing in there you know you're twenty two thousand eight I want to like if I was like a filter king and figure out a way to like a ninja way my way through yeah that's yeah i mean i saw kyle kramer one of our video producers or one of our video guys here was going through his email he was like inspired by you coming back and he went through nineteen thousand emails in like the hour before you came back she says kim man's got tips 19,000 he i think mostly was just selecting all in marking is red and then got to the end oh you wanted feel fit you wanted it just to look like it was already claimed he like dealt with it but i think you oh yeah so what's like if we're talking about favorite things right to your you've been back for two days what's your what's your favorite internet stuff the illness i think it's obvious that i'm just crazy about twitter okay like you kind of came back with a vengeance twitter was the thing that i missed the most and like like my mind still like worked in that way we were like a month or two where I'd be formulating tweets all the time but I couldn't tweet him and you keep like a 140 character diary you don't want every first actually okay and then that faded after a while and I became just an on Twitter user yeah but now like I'm just so into it I just want to tweet all the times and it's like I gained like a bunch of the followers i was so excited I keep getting Maddie try to request them because you kept getting more followers and look he's no tweeting anything he keeps getting more fault yeah that's pretty yeah you should try that just don't try it for a year say that David why don't you just quit okay i'm all right i'm gone see it's been fun yeah and i love vine and snap channel you guys were just talking about that well so tell like why why do you get some of that you've been vining like crazy well as vine is actually wrote an editorial about the set at CES this year hmm yes this year where it's like we get so much technology but like i'd say like ninety-eight percent of the stuff on that show floor was to consume media basically true and vine is a way to create media and it's a you know Instagram is awesome and in fact like I see a lot of people who like there's a lot of crosstalk between people of great Instagram and people who are great photographers interests and even inspires photographers to be better and photographers are on there following each other vine is like that for video and like you are making little short films well yeah you could just make a vine of your fit you could be Ellis you know just be silly I camera yeah just ham it up really proud yeah well like you can make little short films with it I'm just excited you know it's a little higher barrier to entry I understand that not everybody's gonna want to do it but I'm so excited to have an app that's creative and then snapchat is interesting because the exact reason that I think I am too into Twitter it is the reaction to that where I am a performer on Twitter and I'm rice basking in the attention I get on Twitter but snapchat is about the people that you're directing the snapchats at I like that it's really it's personal and and you don't you don't get to glory in it forever and even if even if you send an amazing snapchat the best that person could do is describe it to somebody else they can't even sure they can retweet it so it's really really really for the person or people you send it to and I think that's just there are isn't much on the internet like that see that's like the first time anyone's ever made a compelling case to me for either of those apps and like I will say have you seen the the vine competition they did at tribeca for like the best six second videos so much stuff people did was amazing like incredible it's like you said short films there six seconds long and you would think it would just be like you know goofy people staring at things but it's not like people doing really cool stuff I think that's why I'm intimidated by it cuz I'm like I want to be good and I I know yeah it's intimidating and I already feel that like I probably not that good at it feel like I'm just goofin right now we had the one where you threw the frisbee that was you that nervous like that was like a team effort of our bar that looks pretty a pretty low-end 12 electro Lynn google glass that's a nice on it and it's like my edit is very well I should have like redone it you know I got to take pride in my vibe but yeah it's just like doing something like that and exercising creative muscle is like so awesome and that's what I did when I was a kid hmm and it's something that it's easy to like stop doing when you're just in consumption though yeah so let's talk gadgets so you gave up lots of stuff you have yeah you were you know you were mr. gadget guy you were the pixel density enthusiasm for so long and kind of gave all that up and now you're back like do you have are you gonna buy a smartphone or you're gonna buy you know you have an iPad yeah you're gonna buy a new one or a laptop like what's what's struck your fancy since you come back I wanted like a data only android phone because I never really got much of an experience with Android and it sounds like it's just getting better okay which is awesome did it and it is the HTC first everybody loves it facebook phone yeah yeah I think that's gonna be it because I don't think I want something that's so huge okay uh cuz you have your do you have your current phone on you though like tiny island in there it's like a little wall we go yeah like if you had a phone in 1994 it looks like yeah it's it's it was like twenty dollars now stupid like loves I know have a contract on it easy i just have a Tory just walked into a store and gave them 29 yeah this is this fine um and then I'm gonna wait for the 5s okay and I'm kind of I'm kind of impatient with Apple at this point I thought I'm gonna upgrade all my laptop pretty soon I thought there'd be a retina macbook air by now it's it has to come eventually all right I would think but you're young wait forever yeah it's true so but I get a macbook air gonna wait for the retina rubber and I think I might want to get I'm trying to think if I want to get a ipad mini mm-hmm or like a kindle paperwhite probably go with the kindle cuz i already have an ipad 3 ads everything is I updated to six cuz i was on 5mm after these six and everything is like a lot of times iOS updates i kind of bog your device you must have spent like an entire day updating stuff by the way just between like your computer and your ipad is like to the internet i spent a lot of time like updating things I had to do some stuff off my hard drive to make a room for mountain lion mm-hmm that's some sorry so sorry about not but it you know it wasn't that hard so people are asking me about it and to be honest like I I was update free for a year it's true so nothing bro payback now if there was some stuff on there that was broke and so it was broke all year uh sure yeah but nothing nothing that i had that was running at this entry here wasn't running at the end of the year that was kind of cool it's like the glass half full way to look at yeah and I also something I I don't know if you know this for the on the xbox and ps3 if you get a game and you have an outdated firmware uh-huh and asks you to update if you're not connected to the Internet the new firmware is on the disk even with some blu-ray movies real update your ps3 so needing the internet is just kind of I have the newest dashboard as far as I know oh my i have a pretty fresh dashboard of my xbox cuz i bought a recent game and it updated it for me nice that's so there you go yeah now you and you're always on internet connections right yeah so so anything else like are you super psyched to be back to netflix to be watch house of cards yet no you know that's a big thing is I haven't had I'm don't thinking we could get netflix at first okay wanna like ease back into it yeah like that's a really great place to binge but I haven't had any time to really sit back and do anything like I really want to catch up on the music I missed oh interesting and I just had you where are you going I like record stores and stuff like that or did you just kind of ignore music idris you know like me and my roommate would go to like flea market by random records nice uh he got me Graceland for christmas okay no that was it plan on like your Victrola and no we have a really nice record player like we have a nice setup and we really experience music and like I don't want to be pretentious but like I've gotten grown accustom to like kind of sitting there and enjoying music okay or like what I do listen to something in the background it's like wall i'm writing mmm I've hunkered down I'm doing one thing and then music's going okay but like the thought of trying to enjoy some of this new music that I have heard well like doing these billions of things so and I so I haven't written anything since I got back and I'm like I want to describe my experiences to people I'd like I can't find the time well as I was going to ask like you you one of the things you wrote in your piece which you should all read if you haven't yet it's wonderful um it was how you like slowly got used to reading books again and I think that would be I'm curious to see if that holds up for you or like you have this long attention span for reading now yeah I wonder how could that I go it because it shows that I can't read anything I don't want it's really upset you know that one of the things that like really really really hit me when I am just started off the internet I had the copy of the Odyssey mm-hmm translated by Alexander Pope okay he spent shoot I'm gonna get this wrong it's either 10 years or 20 years Wow translating the Odyssey and the alien Wow anyway it's a long time people didn't live that long back in I don't know when it was like the seventeen hundreds i was like three generations appeared like like is the oldest man you know like him people have asked me like for the year was a really long time and it's like I don't know like I think there are ther are a lot of things that are easy and quick and fun to digest but there are things that are valuable enough to not just spend two hours on but maybe to spend a lot a lot a lot of time I want to create things like that and and consume things like that and so I want to keep that long attention span just as much for creativity as for consumption so yeah I mean and that's like that's sort of what's interesting about you liking vine is right it's like cool ways to do stuff and you don't really need a long attention span which is yeah on but do you like what else have you gotten into do you think you'll do sort of longer form things like there are all these cool apps for reading now and there's you know amazon has the cool thing where you can listen to a book and then read the book and do you think are you are you just sort of staving off the horribleness of being back with technology or anything kit like will it help you like a kindle might help in that case having sent me claps or Latin fog like not even kidding no that's true because there's there is something about like because I have a bunch of books online a dictionary and stuff like that age there's something it's hard me to get off the couch and get into something and it's hard to keep going at it it's just really tough but like these educational games yeah they kind of come to you and they make it a little more fun and I think stuff like that is going to be really great I want to enjoy that kind of technology I don't want to get into everything all at once i wanna i want to keep some stuff for me I don't know so what woody what are you waiting on your waiting on netflix wait is there anything else you're sort of worried about getting revenge well there's like like Facebook you getting back on facebook I'm actually gonna a wife I want to do more Facebook than Twitter or leaving it out of it okay cuz my family is on facebook right randos are on twitter okay awesome what can I know that I've scoped rifle that I love dearly individually no like I it's awesome talking to two bunch of people you don't know but i also want to talk to people i do now so I actually I think I'm gonna be try to be a little slow with getting back into Minecraft okay I'm trying out the play diablo for a while that's what big time so ya think you were big into starcraft before that was like yeah yeah you know like starcraft is something that you have to Train act it's like going to the gym for a long time before you can be an athlete right and so those are things were like I want to do them eventually but I'm gonna like know that I really have the time that's appropriate to set aside and I can really do a quality I don't want to play minecraft distracted I want to play minecraft and make something awesome and minecraft and high five everybody in Minecraft yeah and then you know go on to the next thing okay see I like that I feel like that's like that's like the perspective you sort of got from off the internet it's like I you can still do all these things but you want to like do them I feel like I run out of time I give ten different things like ten percent of my attention at all times or like one percent of my attention for a hundred things and I kind of like the idea that you're like I'm gonna do one thing at a time even though there's infinitely more things to do and the number one thing for me and maybe it's sappy but it's probably set people if you like spit like a hundred percent on a person yeah is not to be trifled it's an awesome thing yet I got to do for a year and I've already seen myself a little distracted and because now that I see it so vibrantly and I think I could fade to a point where I don't think I'm distracting but I am yeah so I want to like tion stuff that might be distracting when I want to be spending time no I like that that's the reason don't get smart phone if you want to be that way don't eat don't ever eat as well do you think a smartphone would help me like win an email and get ahead of stuff and stay on top of things and I mean I kind of love your idea of getting like keeping your old crappy phone for like voice and text so that like goes everywhere with you all the time and when you're just like getting you know walking around on the subway or something you bring your data on my smartphone so you can do all that stuff but then GMO on some right where it's now it's like even if I'm with somebody and all I want to do is like be reachable by phone if like there's an emergency or something bad happens i still have my phone and then it buzzes and it's all then you discover the ls made an amazing vine right in the watcher I have to watch it and I'm like hold on girlfriend yeah just pause for three to four hours while I read twitter yeah and so yeah I I'm a big fan of your plan I might steal your idea please please do all right we'll Paul thank you go back to the internet go back and watch back you kitty I think I take out of time but then I'll okay all right thank you thank you appreciate it good show by the way thank you congratulate oh yeah welcome back I never watch them step right here I can't even be mad at you about that yeah I can't well you sure all right well anyway that is our show thank you to Paul Miller who's still right here thank you Paul should I walk away and you can go I mean whatever whatever makes you happy all right you could sit down just get out of my face right now please that's that's all I want from you fine but thanks to Paul and thanks to Ellis for being here and thanks to chris ziegler who I hope has committed Grand Theft Auto by now and that is our show thank you so much for watching we will be back next week with lots more on all sorts of different stuff and we will see you then you