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hello circle maker the Verge's gadget show it's a show about gadgets on YouTube which is where you are I'm Neil I that's Paul hello this is Ashley hey it's Ashley a second we're here in the chat with you if you're watching this live a lot of your questions comments concerns we basically react to this the whole time so that's cool we have a huge show for you our friend Sam scheffers here it's back we're gonna make him talk about not new technology but kick ass old technology you want to talk about some sidekicks with him we have some great questions for a circuit breaker and then Dan Seifert is gonna join us when we talk about Android wear wear has been rebranded to wear OS friendly breakfast wearable but first let's start with Ashley you're gonna talk to us about avatars yeah like digital emoji avatars right it's a thing Paul you know video game avatars have been a big forever yeah I could never get my me to look like myself yeah you make a character to play around and to represent you in the world it wasn't it's important because you're in a digital world that's you visualization it's also like a huge business in game it's like people like the game company saw like clothes and like let's change accessories redo habit ours that's a big that's changed valve as a company yeah today was hat day at the verge and if you were a hat you got cake and no one told me about it anyway okay so video game avatars are one thing but now we're seeing kind of these emoji avatars digital representation coming to more messaging apps like the personal exchanged you have a friend it's like there's an emoji with the iPhone Samsung just recently debuted their AR emoji and then bitmoji which is now owned by Snap is kind of like the originals that we're trying to do this so I'm gonna just kind of walk you guys through a little bit of the market basically what we're seeing now I feel like an important point to make here I bet our audience knows this but like boom og was first but Apple put out an emoji and there's like a wave of hype but there's been a lot of these for a while right yeah like multiple companies have tried to do this so bitmoji does stickers and they actually relaunch this new bitmoji deluxe in January and this is mine it's kind of hard to see here but these are mine and they're very accurate you've only made one face for this and then they adapt and they put it in different situations and then a company called gab C came around and I think we actually have video footage because right now their app is not on the App Store currently but just to show you guys this came out over the summer and it was kind of like the video version of bitmoji so it came out the internet kind of freaked out about it Casey Newton wrote a piece about this and then snapchat was like okay there we go so you can see this is sort of like your bitmoji but doing stuff in a real world environment like we are and so that came out at the time bitmoji wasn't doing this and now the fourth yeah Samsung sorry snapchat has introduced a way to do it with your bitmoji in snapchat I can't say what I wanted to do it's not masking my face or anything like that but it's good till for this there is still a company there's no company there's still company and pulled them they pulled it themselves cuz I got eaten I can't say too much okay mmm okay say they're still around okay yeah so you don't have to make a new bitmoji for this analogy this is just mine is pulling bitmoji is on my snap it's pulling from my bitmoji a snapchat and now it's a good merging correct and so that's me in doing the AR Iron Man we you come on and done a ton of AR demos with us but this is the AR most people know about ya stop line and that's like a more theoretical question I have is like this it's my face it's masked but it's not mass like if I had a full mask on it would be mask my face is this considered a digital AR emoji I would say no yeah like I'm curious where the distinction is because so if we look at an emoji [Laughter] there's masks that cover your face entirely or that kind of change your face and then there's avatars that are not your face they are representation right that are masked to your facial features so like here with an emoji the Fox is my face like it's talking to me if I go like this as Neal I have points that loves to point out you can't really well I can wink with this eye and cannot wink so this is a true story why don't we did the iPhone 10 review I was playing with this and I was on a phone with Apple before a publisher of you ask all my follow-up questions I was like I can't blink and they're like we are aware the blinking is not yet supported by an emoji it's a huge thing you do arguably the biggest linking it's a it's a big thing tough so it's interesting with this and we were talking about emoji earlier and you know when the iPhone 10 came out everyone is doing an emoji karaoke animal you don't see him anymore like that wave came and went and my theory is like twofold one the often tense really expensive so like they sell a lot of them but they're selling them to people who are maybe not incentivized to like make goofy internet memes right like the main creators can't afford it because the meme sales are poor and then it's actually really hard to get him out of here yeah like you can send you can text one to yourself a lot of people and that has a 10 second limit and a lot of people we actually have a how-to on our site it's like just hit the screen recorder and then like crop and export that file hmm so I think this is actually a killer creativity tool mmm that is just in sort of classic Apple fashion just like harder to use and harder to share than it should be well and you can't even get creative with the ones it's like snapchat Paul could tomorrow make a lens and submit it here in Apple you're playing just with their specific version of emoji thank you there's no bitmoji equivalent so it's just they're curious exactly this bunny looks angry and stoned every I find myself wondering like tough it's a really angry rabbit yeah it's true so then this is a little bit similar to bitmoji but this is going off we'll see with Samsung you take a selfie Google actually created a feature for ello everyone's favorite message right now you can take a selfie and it will turn your it will use your face as inspiration to create art so this is based off of the selfie that I took I'll send that this is a portal like that's supposed to be and it's not too far you can actually also customize it I think I can do actually I want you know the chat is thinking about setting my GoFundMe yes you can actually add the day's like you can customize if you feel like it wasn't an accurate representation of you so this is another way that Google is trying to take inspiration like it's looking through the camera at you taking your photo and trying to create you as an animation or as a character but you can also use your own liberty too so it's kind of cool yeah like iLike I think it's neat they partner with artists to do it and I think their styles are all different and they're nice a good service that we've done here today on the circuit breaker show is we've shown anyone what's the only background for owl you can customise your conversation background yeah when did that change thank seems like it's breaking down like three lines right like how do you make them mm-hmm are they totally fake or they like representative of you in some way or they just like a cartoon and then how do you like share them right and the idea that these are tied to a messaging app seems interesting to me because that's obviously one audience that you have this is machinima like this is you you're using computer animation to like do stuff the nice thing about snapchat is that has a messaging component and like a broadcasting well am bitmoji is a keyboard to the stickers not the AR part of it but the keyboard is like meant to be in any messaging app that you use I went through a wild bitmoji keyboard phase oh really my family was like you have to stop like my cousin who sat me down and was like I am very annoyed with you I just really not for me yeah it is very extra and it's weird to me because bitmoji is so tied with snap but there's certain snap features like with a maps right it's all bit modes he's like I don't want to be represented like that in the world they're so well these are the Samsung AR emoji and someone in the chat actually asked us to predict if Samsung will ever talk about these again after the s9 launch so yeah so Samsung has found another way to do this which is by you taking a selfie and then it producing an animated version of you but I think they just didn't get it right looks like it's had a stroke yeah thanks so much she's at my face I don't know what are you wearing the clothing options are terrible which you'll see who can we do you're gonna create one I'm going in a workout suit okay I took this one with my glasses on and what is interesting is it did pick up on my birthmark so it's really doing photo see that's like too uncanny valley yeah I was a little oh okay this is without oh this is your other outfit choice okay that one looks good you look like a mean librarian yeah that's totally my aesthetic if I can there goes all right okay there you go just in case you missed it the first time great outfit it's me I mean I think it's like very photorealistic mm-hmm I don't know if that's what you want and the mappings really bad - I just want camera yeah it's but still like snapchat on my success does a better job what if this works really well wouldn't it be cool if it works well then just like take a video so new guys gonna I can't be in it okay take your selfie I just push button yeah okay let's see what kind of old man this thing makes me how do worry it's creating his moji is my nightmare these are not none of these are my skintone I hate this Wow all right let's just come y'all take a look at this horrifying situation all of this is bad what does that say that's his figure no little bit of lazing this is all bad this is all bad that's this is bad terrible color Samsung has read my coverage this is as close as against everyone picks out that's a dude that's like the one I think it's acceptable what like what is this time and that is just like another it's like ankle length pants this is a professor who doesn't know what he's doing he's hit it doesn't look like you and I will say this looks like Sam all right and then so then it creates gifts for you that you can use it any messaging service does not look like me so now you could film a video if you wanted and send it wherever you want I hate it so much this is why I'm an emoji only okay fair after that right seriously why I just draw pictures for people and send them letters in the mail I'm saying that it's horrible I'm I'm supposed to be a fox okay all right we've got a great circuit breaker for you these are questions that come from you in our chat in our comments we try to answer them as deeply as we can Jake and hi and have a couple for you take it away today we have a bunch of questions about fortnight I've never actually played four nights we have hi I'm here to answer them I've played for tonight so is I'm way ahead all of the qualification you need we have a whole bunch of questions from YouTube but first I just want to get started I hadn't heard that much about fortnight until like two weeks ago now it seems to be everywhere just quickly what is fortnight and why is it blowing up right now so for tonight is a game that launched last year it's actually very similar to pub G player unknowns battlegrounds but the big thing with fortnight is that fortnight is free sounds great yeah cool all right so what is our first question we've got one from Lex is how do you think this changes the landscape of mobile gaming which franchise should follow suit so another thing for tonight's actually changing the landscape of mobile gaming that much just to backtrack a bit fortnight is in the news not only because it's one of the most popular games in the world right now but because they just launched a mobile version on iOS that's in beta at the beginning of this week pub G actually then follow that up by launching its mobile version which had been out in China and other regions in US and Canada just after fortnight so now you have these big games on mobile for the first time which is really interesting but I don't think it's gonna change the landscape that much these are very specific very popular games like riding this edge of popularity and at the end of the day there's still console and PC games that are really meant to be played with a controller and a mouse and keyboard and just porting them one to one from console just doesn't seem like a viable strategy that we're gonna see other Studios necessarily doing it what's the thinking behind bringing these to console or to mobile because it doesn't seem like that's the normal place for them so part of the experience of 49 pub gr you have these big hundred person matches and the goal there then is just get the biggest possible player base as possible so you can have these games and when you bring mobile into the mix with all the ios and android phones out there that's a huge player base and one of the cool things is that they are working on cross play so right now you can't but in the future at least for fortnight you'll be able to take fortnight and play it on your phone against someone on xbox and someone on a PC you all in one match you will immediately get destroyed because you're using touchscreen and everyone else has a mouse and keyboard but it'll be possible just kind of cool yeah that is a very good segue because there next question which have a two-parter that is partially about cross play the first is do you think for tonight will ever be cross-platform across all consoles and the second question is coming up well fur it out we can dress this one yeah so the answer in a word is probably not that's two words but yeah here's the thing cross play is in theory possible we know it's possible with fortnight fortnight accidentally turned it on last year and you could play against ps4 and Xbox for like a weekend it happened and then they sent out an apology saying that they'd made a mistake so it's technically possible it's possible with other games you have rocket League enables cross play between switch Xbox switch xbox pc minecraft is on a whole bunch of things you admin out in all these situations as Sony who doesn't want enable cross play the reason for this is very simple Sony sells more consoles than anyone else and is leaving the industry so it's not in their best interests to make it you know more convenient for you to not own a Playstation it makes sense it sucks it's probably not changing anytime soon so that brings the second bonus question is do you think having cross-platform gaming is a gimmick I mean you kind of got into whether it's difficult because it seems to is just be Sony doesn't want you so from a technical perspective I don't think it's that difficult for them to implement I swear that's a gimmick I don't really think we're gonna see a lot of yeah loss platform people doing this what I would ask is I mean is that even an enjoyable experience because you're playing a shooter which is very fast-paced needs a lot of precision on mobile and you're playing it potentially against people who are much better suited to play those games because they're on PC yeah so part of it is also that like switch mentality that you can played anywhere in the world and that's kind of cool but in terms of like practical play I don't think you're gonna really see too much of it being done just because you're gonna get destroyed once that's turned on it is optional like you don't need to play cross play you can just play against people on phones and that's like a much more viable experience okay our next question is from somebody who is hoping to play for tonight it's from Tommy I'm 11 and my dad disagrees with all the shooting games as a point but however I would love to be able to play fortnight on my phone or ps4 does anyone have any tips at Aggies Brits who persuade my dad to let me to play I feel free my heart goes out to Tommy the biggest problem with Tommy is that his dad is technically in the right fortnight and pub G are both rated T for T and by the ESRB which in theory means that they recommend that therefore people aged 13 and up and Tommy's 11 I'll have better luck in Europe they're both rated Peggy 12 there I mean these are just recommendations it's really what parents and children on their own decide to work out together so maybe you offer to do more chores or see if your dad will try the game and see pub G it's not the fortnight especially is this cartoony it's not that violent there's no blood I'm not a parent so I'm not qualified to give advice on this but I'm on Tommy's team Tommy's dad if you're watching give him a chance this was very good like indie game scene too doesn't it is that that is where I would be if I was looking for some games to play all right that's yes fair and our final question week's got a tweet from Dancy freezing me on the show later is for tonight anything like dots damn fortnight it is exactly like dots there it's basically just a dots clone you should dive right in sounds great next up we have Sam Scheffer with some retro phones is it is it live so are we live I just totally ruined that segue I think we can unplug these now trying coming up yeah we've seen we've known each other do you know how long it's been we are at Sam when he was 17 19 I believe it was legal for you and then he worked a bunch of other places and now he's an independent mm-hmm Jake said about you he was like he's a pioneer of a - dove social platforms Sam is living something like that he's here to talk about sidekicks so we want to bring on our friends to talk about their favorite old tech because we love ol tech on the show I think it's so cool we did a whole bunch of iPods a few weeks ago but you we asked you what's your favorite old tech and you told the sidekicks a sidekick LX specifically I know X so tell us what this is first of all this is uh this was one of the oh yeah nice we've got the overhead camera over here this was I would I would argue the best sidekick that ever came out this is the sidekick LX it came in two or three colors it was released at the end of 2007 and I got it then the original iPhone had come out in June of 2007 and I saw it and thought it was really stupid frankly because I didn't understand what you could do with a touchscreen phone and you had the the flip out screen the physical keyboard there's the LED indicator also and this to me was just spoke very highly of you know kind of mobile development nothing like this existed this kind of like bubbly scrolling UI and we were on singular as a family back then I jumped into mobile I remember in high school a couple of girls actually my friend Ashley had like the sidekick - or sidekick 3 in high school I was like that is just the dopest phone and I was the only one in my high school that had the sidekick Alex there was one person who had an iPhone original and I was rocking this and I just remember just like yeah I'm the coolest dude in school no question about it and yeah nothing like this existed back then you gotta remember 2008 was so different like the phone came with aim back then no one was really on Facebook back then and the mobile landscape was vastly different sonic was an Andy Rubin project this is one that you did Dan restarted Android and then was fired from Android and now he started essential yeah but this model robots at some point but Andy Rubin is like one of the godfathers of Nobel's this so many of his ideas still to this day I like embodied in this device so can you walk me through how you actually use the totally so just for the viewers information someone sent me these I would always talk about on Twitter and other social about how much I missed this phone with the physical keyboard so thanks whoever sent me these I had the blue version this is the mocha version so there's buttons on the face here there's bonds on the edges here but the most important thing is the flip out screen and if you watch it really slowly you don't even notice the animation of when the screen actually goes upside down very good tech 4-pack that physical keyboard full QWERTY keyboard I just messages are about to be in here right now text message inbox empty how do you I don't even know how to do this new message alright so if we're gonna type in here hey what's going on yeah this is a great the show we I mean it takes some getting used to right like I've been smash away on glass for 10 years but I remember having this thing back in high school I got so fast I'm so not used to this and then yeah this is the operating system there were no apps there was a there was a couple of games on here menu shift L I think brings up a there's like a secret game or something built into here but yeah just I just want to contextualize again 2008 was so much different than 2004 this landscape but then I tried an iPhone for the first time and you know this was such a this device acted in two orientations but the iPhone was like a true portrait you know three and a half inch device and I tried it was Google Maps I remember like looking looking at the blip I thought it was crazy how you could track be tracked in real time like we were on a bus together me and my friend Ramy who had the phone and then like a month or two later I got to play with it again and I saw the threaded text or yeah the text messages were threaded in iOS and if you remember back in the day when you had a flip phone it was just message message message there was no threading so those two things kind of sold me and then like so the iPhone 3G redesign faster all that stuff so I ditched this I sold the sidekick to pay for the to pay for the iPhone 3G she was like sidekick culture and you're in your world cuz I mean it was it was a phone but I didn't have any like integrated services there's only excite like you know blackberry bbm yeah there was a reason why people a big reason of why people got this phone is because it had a built-in yahoo messenger Amazon messenger built-in phone address book it had a browser to like really crappy browser for back and then I guess we could just do one more demo here let's show off the camera how great it is what were you upgrading from when you got this I was on a if anyone remembers this is a real throwback here this is it was a t-mobile MDA so it was a touchscreen what HTC device with a pen it was running windows mobile 6.5 or something with it was a capacitive touchscreen you're giving up a lot of a lot of functionality there yeah but for this OS that's the camera here the framerate is awfully slow now your good advice to you this got two to three photos remaining here but I just want to show like how slow let's take a picture in Eli here I keep wanting to touch the screen oh my god it's a flash the my favorite things about this device though the flip out screen for sure a physical keyboard and then I miss the LED indicator yeah wait that was like you can just glance over at your phone and within a second you knew what kind of message you had to do do any flagship does the this s9 have an LED indicator on it does it does it does in the top right yeah I know you can you change it Dan by the Dan series in expertise did can you set it to like new text messages blue or okay okay and then also the only text message tone for this was new message it said new message yeah what's interesting to me is like the code like this thing wasn't like a bunch of jay-z videos sooo there was a Dwyane Wade sidekick it was a Tony Hawk sidekick they got big celebrity endorsements and I remember the commercials were always so cool I hate that oh yeah this was like there was definitely culture behind this like this is gonna sound really ridiculous but like if you had a sidekick you were cool like it was definitely associate like the same way beats by dre when they came out we're like the cool thing to have I feel like this was very cool to have I don't think was too hard to get on contract I paid like 200 or 250 or something like that I remember breaking even on the sale but my dad had a friend at a cell phone store so I definitely odd hooked up Erik and Jared are saying the pixel two has an LED indicator bran is saying she's light flow for LED control ooh that's that's good and then Erik is also saying he misses his LG MV touch like there was a moment I think this is the moment of like the last of the feature phones yep and they got really crazy for a while like remember the lg chocolate yep those are the hottest phone on Verizon for a minute and the sliding up you know I think you're absolutely right it was this was kind of the turning point for all cell phones are gonna be glass with touch screens and this was yeah this was it but I I dearly miss it I want to pour one out for Sony Ericsson Ericsson w8i we're gonna bring on the show and let's pour one out for dieter and his palms with the physical keyboards yeah rest of you I don't buy this physically I've never understood it every time one of those new BlackBerry's comes out and I pick it up like yeah I'm a businessman now and then I it's just I'm curious if the chat oh one plus has an LED indicators you okay I know it's weird we have these phones on the show all the time and I never see their LED I think they're like disabled I feel like they're not like that the companies aren't pushing that as a feature but they're so underrated ly good just for the kind of glancing capabilities I feel like because if you look at your iPhone it's just a black slate with the screen people are just naming phones that were supposed to be iPhone killers oh the other thing people are pointing out Rev Atlas is points out in the chat these are manufactured Annie Rubin HTC he goes he does Android who is he partner with to build the first Android phone HTC big chin this is a sharp that's sharp this is a sharp phone yeah but the first HTC was a g1 the first a t-mobile g1 was HTC right Dan yeah it was yeah but no this was this was sharp because this was just a brand the t-mobile yeah there's a lot was like the lastest ditch effort for that right there was like a sidekick slide and then they just got really bad really once they took away this it's like come on what are you either doing yeah III think I want to I want to put one of these on the shelf donate one of these to the archives yeah is that appropriate yeah yeah I'm just gonna put it just like I'm just gonna put it right here and then I'm gonna come back to the table then you can transition that on there and let that die the battery will just die yeah it's another show-within-a-show it's called hot tips just wants it all segment begins it's your friend Paul Miller I'm great at a lot of things I can program in multiple languages I can throw and catch a frisbee I can draw really good logos but the thing I can't do is tell you how to live your life and that's why I've asked my kind in supportive colleagues here at the verge to help me out with with something I'm calling tips d-verb oh hey I'm doing hot tips this week yeah I don't want to know if you had in hot tips my first hot tip is if you have a weird name when you go to Starbucks pick a different name Peter with a D I just I tell people my name is Peter at Starbucks because it's just way easier fake name at Starbucks but you have to use the same fake name every time because if you don't you're gonna forget what your fake name is so when dieter gets his coffee Peter all right we're about to get a hot tip from Thomas Ricker my favorite Dutchman wonder where you're gonna go with it okay so one of the tips that one of things that I use in iOS I don't think a lot of people know about is shared shopping lists hmm and what you can do is you can create shared lists by going in setting up sharing at a person and I can use Paul so I can add that and then you'll receive a notification on your iPhone or maybe your iPad ooh I got it invitation to share a reminders list of Thomas Ricker okay right now the list is empty it also shows up empty for me so there's nothing in it I get a confirmation that you accepted the invitation hey Siri add bread to the shopping list so added bread to the shopping list and now what you're gonna see is bread so that's great because my wife and I I mean we're separate during the day and we usually shop every day because we live in a big city and this way whoever goes to the store will see the updated list and they can buy things and then if you tap the little checkbox then it'll disappear in Europe we just buy one slice of bread at a time it's very frugal Thank You Thomas a real appreciative Danny ha tips you want a real tech tip yeah okay so I've been saying lately people should pay for tinder why do you pay for tender I don't have agenda right now I suggest paying for tinder because I've spent many hours of my life swiping onto there and it is a profound waste of time honestly it is and if you pay for dinner you basically get a page of just people who are already select right on you right so it's kind of like a catalog like you're shopping for people and you can just say yes or no and you know they'll like you back regardless you can't pay for tinder no matter what Ashley says because then you just get thousands and thousands of choices and you have to scroll through them like a like a like a DVD catalog it's terrible it's so depressing and so bleakest thing that's ever happened to me probably a good idea terrible relationship because of a dating actor I'm really confused now okay so I've got Ashley says money for for relationships Caitlyn no money Lizzie wait what were you saying someone's in a relationship and they have a cool idea don't listen to it so hot tips I guess you could say this this one was learning a lot we're back Paul always a delight my friend thank you all right Dan hey I'm here there is news this week yeah so believe it or not there was Android SmartWatch news because there's a there's a big watch conference going on yeah okay so the news is that Android wear is dead long live Android wear it's dead it is now where OS right or where O's as I like Google renamed is where us Google renamed it and I think the primary reason that Google renamed it is because the company claims that one out of three of these wear smartwatches is used with an iPhone and so like to clear up confusion that like you don't need an Android use this we're taking Android Abhinay yeah which seems to be a running theme at Google they're taking Android under the name of things and the reason that the announcement was made this week or last week was because this week is Baselworld or basel world out in switzerland which is the big watch conference in here but that's she's really weak to show up at a conference is the thing I would say the garbage is inappropriate 20% brush kinda feels like like I mean so Android wears burner for a number of years actually much before the I Apple watch and it's kind of just faltered and tripped and stumbled and now we're at a point where we're 2.0 came out Oh over a year ago now this is the Google's LG watch sport which was like one of the flagship watches with the wear 2.0 launch and nothing has really happened since then basically fashion brands have taken it over and so right now this is the Movado Kinect that's 600 bucks and and so fossil Louis Vuitton and a bunch of other fashion brands have released smartwatches using Google's SmartWatch platform but the tech companies really haven't done anything they've kind of backed up all out of it and just left it to the smart are the fashion moments and the the issue that that presents is you get some some nice-looking watches I'm wearing let's see if I can here I'm wearing one of the more recent ones this is the Skagen foster which was announced at CES nice it's a nice looking watch it is right sighs it is sharp looking it doesn't really scream I'm wearing a SmartWatch it's you know got good design it's comfortable to wear but it has fewer features then this one does and you know you might not care about all those features like this one has LTE and GPS and NFC for mobile payments and things like that but maybe you care about one of them and this doesn't really have any of them cost this one's for 275 your problem is this is the Apple watch if you have an iPhone this can do everything it can also send messages without none of these can do with an iPhone you know it has whatever nonsense iPhone I watch apps exist they just like not a big deal but if you're in Apple's ecosystem and you have an iPhone this is just such a better option it really is I mean I've been using this paired with my iPhone to see what that experience is like and it's pretty miserable you can't do anything with the notifications you can't archive your emails easily you can't reply to messages you can't easily control what notifications you get sent to the watch and not sent to the watch and things like that so it's it's it's definitely a subpar Sorenstam Apple watch Frank in the chat says I have a moto 360 too and there's a waste of money I mean I that's like to me Apple spent so I don't write the first Apple watch came out in the first line of my review which is a huge big anticipated all the attention Tim Cook's first new product line the first sign of our review the first Apple watch was it's kind of slow and the last line was you shouldn't spend money on what it looks like until they figure out what it's for yeah there's a pretty very medium review since then they have made it substantially faster they have completely redone the interface twice basically mmm it's a pair away a bunch of unnecessary functions they've really backed away from apps as far as I can tell and they've really focused it on fitness and then depending a patient's like apples so bad at notifications being like they focus on notifications and just died that's a that's a form of focus I reviewed the Apple watch 3 last fall and it's it's like you said much faster the software is easier to use and more intuitive it's much more useful than before it's still very much an apple watching very much not for everybody but it is making forward steps at least so that's where kind of Google's know if someone's up familiar with where OS you just could you run me through what is the basic UI like so one of the things that is different about where OS versus say the Apple watch is you can customize the watch face extensively you can download third-party watch faces you can customize look this one you know has this much face here that you can customize all these different cells to do different things which is pretty extensive but you can also download third-party ones so you can swipe through them very easily it also does have apps you push the button on the side this one has a little spinny dial like a digital crown and you can access your apps it is also a touchscreen but it's your basic set of apps there's not really anything different here from the Apple watch the difference being that there isn't a ton of third-party apps that you actually care to use on this that you might find on the Apple watch you not likely to find them here with Android wear 2.0 which is no guess where OS 2.0 Google actually put the app store directly on the watch so you can download apps directly to the watch without using your phone and that kind of is the clunkiest thing in the world it is rather slow it's hard this one's not connected but it's hard to find apps it's loaded download them it's not a pleasant experience but that's that workaround exists simply because of how impossible would be for Google to get apps on these when it's connected to an iPhone Android wear so it has the Google assistant you can say okay Google and it'll wake up and you can use her voice command the the Google now that exists in 2014 when Android wear first launched basically doesn't exist today Google's kind of iterated on it changes so many times it became now on top on the phone and that's something else and now it's a Google assistant and that like Norfolk floor like useful information cards yeah don't really show up in many places anymore and they don't really show up on your wrist what the transition has been to things like watch faces that you can put your upcoming appointments or calendar entries in you can put your step count you can put weather and things like that you can customize those complications you know have these like interstitial interruptions this is one maybe more two others has the idea of the watch is existing separate from your phone I just don't think anybody's really figured out how to make it an interface that works great with this I don't think anybody's really figured out what they're for beyond hey I'm lucky I have a job that makes me walk around a lot mmm right I'm a nurse or a doctor or something I'm you know a server like those people I love them I have a friend who worked as a worker in like a high-end art gallery and she wasn't allowed to use her phone when she wasn't working she loved travel watch cuz she would be able to see and respond text great that's all great it's a little remote control for your phone I think that's it that's Android where's big struggle and why I think why the fashion brands have adopted it because you're just buying this fashionable thing and then in six months they can put a new color or they can like scrap it a year later and the new design because they're there cycles are different than the tech cycles the other thing that is seems to be with Google's watches that has stalled is the actual technology development so you can see these are all pretty sizable watches especially these two even the Skagen it's comfortable on mice my wrists but if you have a smaller wrist you're you're probably find it large and this is a big watch and you know it's considerably smaller apples on its third generation a processor in there this is a brand-new watches just announced at CES this year it has a two year old Qualcomm processor in it so the the processors are not getting smaller or more efficient or more powerful that would let you do slimmer things and longer battery life and all the stuff that Apple has been able to make we're gonna wrap up the show they're new questions here people ask about the Fitbit verso which just came out we think I'm highly skeptical based on the last yeah some of Sean is saying when is Google pay coming to where OS it's like sort of there and some of them yeah so if your watch has an NFC chip like like this one here you can make mobile payments using Android pay which is slowly getting rebranded who will pay it's just a rebranding what's the update situation like for where OS can you reasonably expect two plus years of support I don't know you can say two plus years but the one thing about where OS is that all of the current watch is basically get updated at the same time it's not the same as the phone situation where if you a samsung my wait year for the software that came to a pixel they all basically do get updated at the same time the current list of watches that are getting the wear OS update which is basically just a new logo are basically watches they've been released within the last two years if you got a moto 360 which was last released in 2015 you're out of luck or first generation wallowing watcher I'd have walked from three years ago but most of the ones within the past 18 to 24 months are on that update list all right last one Samuel says what does Google have to do to make where OS not a joke a lot of people would say that Google has to make its own watch which it hasn't done yet there's no pixel watch so there's no and like I'm saying there's no advancement on that hardware or the silicon or the chips inside of it I think Google has not focused where OS and the way that Apple has focused watch OS on Fitness and so there's a real no focus there I think it's still is trying to get too much of the people who are like interested in on a nerd level involved and it's kind of dropped the ball there because things that look nice and what you want to wear don't have all the features that ya meandered would have bought so I just hate the idea of another computer I have to care for mmm I have a lot of computers they all need a lot of upkeep the Russians are parently trying to hack everything all the time I totally like 9000 Facebook apps today like I got enough going on no another full-on computer in my life it needs software updates and app management battery charging it's got to do more for me than just show me motion notifications what if I had a calculator I like that it shows me the weather that's the one thing that I enjoy is that it gives me weather at a glance because my knowledge is that there will be talk about where I website Google IO I know what they're gonna say there's new news there but I would expect if we're gonna have any news about where or less in the future we're gonna say that Google IO alright well that is it to look forward to if you're a watch okay that is it for this week so can we go live thank you Dan Thank You Jake Thank You Haim you Ashley rush thanks to Sam for showing up and letting us harass him for 10 minutes at a time on the show and thanks to all of you for watching everybody in the chat we love talking to you and you will see you next week four o'clock Eastern